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2012-07-23 10:53:16 AM

angryjd: The NCAA doesn't have half the authority to actually do what it is doing here,


you realize that Penn State violated NCAA rules that had nothing to do with the Sandusky situation?
 
2012-07-23 10:53:45 AM
This is it? This is all that's happening to Penn State? This is supposed to make them wish they'd gotten hit with the death penalty instead? Bullshiat.

Dull Cow Eyes: In some ways, this result is better than a temporary death penalty. Why? Cause Penn State fans can watch their over-glorified overrated sports spectacle suck balls the next few years.


As opposed to the 'suck balls for the next 25 years' that we were looking for. Slap on the farking wrist.
 
2012-07-23 10:53:48 AM

juvandy: The players and students aren't being penalized. The players can transfer and play immediately. Even if they don't, they will still be able to play next year and will still be able to be drafted on the basis of their own merit. That's better than the death penalty, which would have forced them to transfer or quit.

The students/alumni aren't strongly penalized other than not being able to watch as good a team as they could. $60 mil isn't that much to a program with a 100,000 seat stadium capacity. At $60 per seat, they'd make all the money back in 10 games.


They even said in TFA that $60 M was equal to one year of football revenue. Now that football revenue for one year goes to helping abused children - and none of it can be spent on University programs because the University has proven it can't be trusted. I like that stipulation personally.
 
dls
2012-07-23 10:54:10 AM

kwame: But angry people can now feel like punishment has been meted out, so whoopideedoo.


Eh. Coverups are really motivated by one thing: fear. Whatever motivated it (possible tarnishing of reputations, avoiding the responsibility of making reparations, avoiding having to confront a sick farker and what he could do) doesn't change the fact that they felt compelled to obfuscate the path to truth as much as possible. If the coverups go back as far as 1998, then I think vacating the wins, while ringing certainly hollow, is as strong a message as the the NCAA can send that allowing people to do bad things on your watch probably isn't a good idea, regardless of the motivation.
 
2012-07-23 10:54:42 AM

WhyteRaven74: angryjd: The NCAA doesn't have half the authority to actually do what it is doing here,

you realize that Penn State violated NCAA rules that had nothing to do with the Sandusky situation?


Which are?
 
2012-07-23 10:54:51 AM

Gosling: Slap on the farking wrist.


Who's wrist? Seriously, I don't understand this sentiment. Joe Paterno is dead, Jerry Sandusky is in jail and all the administrators involved have been fired. Who's wrist did you want the NCAA to slap, exactly?
 
2012-07-23 10:55:11 AM
What it does come down to, and I suppose you could all this justice, is that the guy partially responsible for covering it up was penalized coaching wins, effectively scrubbing his name from the top of the record book. It also happens to punish players who will feel like their four years in college and bowl wins and everything else was for naught. The money is a drop in the bucket. Scholarships, haha this program is already totally f*cked for the foreseeable future - no one will want to go to Rape Boys State University.

And like I said, it was an easy way for the NCAA to prove its effectiveness without having to do jack sh*t.
 
2012-07-23 10:55:59 AM

kdawg7736: I can accept the other punishments but vacating the last 14 years is bs to me.


Who controls the past controls the future.
Who controls the present controls the past.

/down the memory hole.
//stop by any of the innumerable PSU threads over the past week or so for the two-minute hate of your choice.
 
2012-07-23 10:56:25 AM

brobdiggy: kdawg7736: I can accept the other punishments but vacating the last 14 years is bs to me.

I agree. Did Sandusky somehow give the team an onfield advantage such that the wins were illegitimate?
Hint: The answer is no.


Well, there's evidence that Paterno and the football program more or less acted "by their own rules" when it came to disciplining players for academic and athletic issues. If other universities are holding their players accountable to their actions on the field and in the classroom while PSU is not, then they're playing by a different set of standards.

However, that's not the real reason for the 14 years vacation. The real thing is to permanently damage Joe Paterno's reputation as a coach. He was the winningest coach in Div. I history. Now he's not even close to the top of that list.
 
2012-07-23 10:56:38 AM
Obama just told Paterno "All time wins record? You didn't build that."
 
2012-07-23 10:56:39 AM

You Are All Sheep: cameroncrazy1984: mister aj: One man touches a kid in his special place, and that means that you can:

- Travel back in time, pretend some wins never happened
- Destroy an entire university
- Take away scholarships from people that need them
- Taint the reputations of the best of the student body, and possibly destroy their future football careers

Yup, that's justice.

Oh yeah, just pretend that a 14 year cover-up never happened.

Oh come on, they were kids that had never been shown any love in their lives. What he was doing is showing what love is like when you become an adult.

Am I doing it right?


I hope that that kind of snarkiness earns you bannination. You are a disgusting excuse for a human, you know that?
 
2012-07-23 10:57:03 AM

clipperbox: i wish they could revive joe pa and give him the news


Don't worry, he knows. They get ESPN in Hell.
 
2012-07-23 10:57:05 AM

hdhale: my lip balm addiction: Icetech3: 60m is nothing to that college and the ncaa has punished students that have no reason to be punished other than supporting joe pa... go after the people responsible..

How did the students get punished? The athletes can transfer and the academic kids can still watch Saturday afternoon football, just a shiatty team now. So what "punishment" did the kids receive?

/did I just respond to a troll?

The students get punished because a major revenue stream for the institution will no longer be a major revenue stream. Combine that with cuts in state and Federal funding, and reductions in donations from alumni and others that have happened everywhere because of the crappy economy and the next sound you hear will be that of crying from the library when they are told about the staff cuts and freezes in salary. Of course the fat ass tenured Classics professor across campus will shuffle in his chair a bit and make "hurumph, they should eliminates athletics anyway" noises, but perhaps he might get a bit more upset when he finds out that he has to share a secretary with several more professors now and may end up making his own copies. The dorms won't be a nice, and the computers in the computer lab won't be as new and that new Sciences Building won't get built any time soon--point is that when you cut funding it hurts in all sorts of little and big ways.


Be thankful, If I had my way:

doctorbulldog.files.wordpress.com


Followed by

images.travelpod.com

And then for good measure

www.ultimatewasher.com

Penn State covered up child molestation, and they are concerned with wins and statues? Obviously, good people don't live there.
 
2012-07-23 10:57:12 AM

ShereKhan: Breaking News: The NCAA also ordered Penn State to change their mascot
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i1234.photobucket.com

Go Ped State!!!
 
2012-07-23 10:57:17 AM

Gosling: This is it? This is all that's happening to Penn State? This is supposed to make them wish they'd gotten hit with the death penalty instead? Bullshi


What are you talking about? This will destroy Penn State football for probably a decade, if they are lucky. Did you want them to burn down the stadium? The death penalty would have gotten them off lightly and they could have returned a year later washed up and with the bruises cleared. Now they are just going to be humiliated for a long time.

I expect Penn State games this year should provide a lot of laughs though.
 
2012-07-23 10:57:35 AM

DamnYankees: bulldg4life: basemetal: Not even close to a PSU fan, but why are you punishing the players that had nothing to do with this?

The players have the option to transfer free of penalty or finish out their schooling free of charge.

But are other schools obliged to take them? Just curious.


No, but if you are a team in the running for a naitonal championship, and your options are "Untested high school recruit" and "Junior All American from Penn State that wants the fark out of there" you're going to take the All American.
 
2012-07-23 10:57:40 AM
I'm good with the penalties dished out to PSU. It spells the virtual death of their program for a decade or so, maybe longer. Joe Paterno's legacy is now officially what it should be; a coach who hung on too long, wanting to win at whatever cost.

Outside of the Sandusky victims, the kids I feel sorry for are the kids at Iowa, Indiana, Northwestern, where ever, that were just good enough to get a scholarship on a team that traditionally isn't the best in the league. A few of them are going to see their scholarships slip away. They will be replaced by PSU stars. At the very least, that, "Yeah kid, you got some talent and we are light in the right tackle slot - you can start at right tackle." now means, "Uh, we picked up Jones from Penn State. Looks like you are fighting it out with Jackson for 2nd or 3rd string." Not end of the world shiat, I know. Just a thought I had.

/disclosure, U of I alumni.
 
2012-07-23 10:57:54 AM

Gosling: This is supposed to make them wish they'd gotten hit with the death penalty instead? Bullshiat


Their football scholarships are being slashed, they'll be fielding what amounts to a Division II squad, if even that much, for a few years. They're going to be the doormat of the Big 10.

liam76: Which are?


The big one that caught my eye, was that football players were not subject to the same rules of discipline as other students at Penn State. And not only that, the athletic director new about it. So you have the rule infraction plus a lack of institutional control.
 
2012-07-23 10:58:15 AM

my lip balm addiction: You Are All Sheep: cameroncrazy1984: mister aj: One man touches a kid in his special place, and that means that you can:

- Travel back in time, pretend some wins never happened
- Destroy an entire university
- Take away scholarships from people that need them
- Taint the reputations of the best of the student body, and possibly destroy their future football careers

Yup, that's justice.

Oh yeah, just pretend that a 14 year cover-up never happened.

Oh come on, they were kids that had never been shown any love in their lives. What he was doing is showing what love is like when you become an adult.

Am I doing it right?

I hope that that kind of snarkiness earns you bannination. You are a disgusting excuse for a human, you know that?


Bannination for that?? Really?
 
2012-07-23 10:58:23 AM

brobdiggy: kdawg7736: I can accept the other punishments but vacating the last 14 years is bs to me.

I agree. Did Sandusky somehow give the team an onfield advantage such that the wins were illegitimate?
Hint: The answer is no.


Do you think Joe Paterno helped Penn State win a few games? Because if you do, the amount of wins vacated should date back to his first. And it still wouldn't be justice. Weasel.
 
2012-07-23 10:58:26 AM

mister aj: One man touches a kid in his special place, and that means that you can:

- Travel back in time, pretend some wins never happened
- Destroy an entire university
- Take away scholarships from people that need them
- Taint the reputations of the best of the student body, and possibly destroy their future football careers

Yup, that's justice.


And this is why they got away with it for 14 years. Be glad the masses don't seem to connect the dots. This program was touted as the one that proved you could run an honorable, honest, trustworthy college football program that did not corrupt players, faculty or coaches. It was different, well it is different all right it's corruption ran to kiddie rape, not player pay offs.

This case proves that football can not be a force for good, it is not a good influence on youth, on society, and the institutions that harbor it. No public money, facility, or institution should be allowed to support football. All football programs at State run Universities, Colleges, and High Schools should be terminated.

If you want a football program then you need to run it as a private institution, with private facilities, and private funds.
 
2012-07-23 10:58:32 AM

This text is now purple: austin_millbarge: Im not trying to bust your balls, you obviously have good intentions with your comment. But to me it reflects an attitude that is a cancer on this nation. People need to stop worshipping sports teams and sports figures.

People need to seriously research what popular culture followed prior to sports teams and figures.

Dueling dropped dramatically once football caught on in the South.


Hahaha. I liked that.

High School/College/Pro Sports are about the only things left that can bring the political sides together. Get a Dem and a Repub in the same room and about the only thing they can agree on is sports. It's a very unifying. If you fark with that there will be another Civil War within 5 years. That's why we had the first one. There was no sports on the weekend to distract people. And yes, it is a little cancerous at times but that's the way we like it.
 
2012-07-23 10:58:51 AM

Endive Wombat: I would imagine most of the star players will get gobbled up very quickly.


ThatGuyGreg: Don't worry, the other colleges' recruiters are already making calls.


Yeah, the stars will be fine, but I'm thinking about the 2nd tier guys who probably aren't going to have many options. That realistically gives them like a week or two to decide. Although they should have at least thought about well before now.
 
2012-07-23 10:59:30 AM
My argument with this is, if the NCAA really wanted to make Joe Paterno an unperson, they should have had Penn State vacate every win from all 46 seasons that Paterno was head coach, including both national championships. And they could've used the excuse that Jerry Sandusky was on the Penn State coaching staff for most of Paterno's career.
 
2012-07-23 10:59:44 AM

Marine1: However, that's not the real reason for the 14 years vacation. The real thing is to permanently damage Joe Paterno's reputation as a coach. He was the winningest coach in Div. I history. Now he's not even close to the top of that list.


I have never once, in my entire life, heard someone actually apply a vacated win to a sports argument in casual conversation. I have never once, in my entire life, heard someone say 'Now hang on, that win was vacated, you can't bring up that game'. This is not going to stop people from putting Paterno at top of the wins list anyway.
 
2012-07-23 10:59:49 AM

Confabulat: This will destroy Penn State football for probably a decade,


And the Big 10 is going to levy its own sanctions. Which should be announced any minute now.
 
2012-07-23 11:00:45 AM

This text is now purple: DammitIForgotMyLogin: Baz the Spaz: The next fun will be to see if the Department of Education has the balls to hit Penn State with huge fines for failure to report the crimes under the Clery Act.

Unless i'm mistaken, the severest punishment under the act is the suspension of access to any student financial aid programs.

If 14 years worth of covering up a child rapist at the university doesn't warrant the severest punishment, i'm really not sure what would be.

Illinois has an unrepentant terrorist on their faculty.
Stanford has a notorious history of human-rights abuses.
Tuskegee gave syphilis to people for 25 years and refused to treat them.
Citadel raised an army of sedition.
West Point was commanded by a traitor.

All of those schools receive federal funding.


The Clery act was signed into law in 1990. If you would care to point out anything that these universities have done to violate it since then, you might have a point.
 
2012-07-23 11:00:49 AM
I'd love to follow this thread but I can't hear any of you over the sound of Matt Millen crying.
 
2012-07-23 11:01:03 AM
Big 10 does jack crap other than taking away their split of conference bowl money
 
2012-07-23 11:01:26 AM
My wife is an insane UNC fan (probably one of the reasons we still live in Chapel Hill). She was saying on Saturday, basically because of presumed results coming down to Penn State, two players signed letters of intent at Carolina.

I'm wondering just how fast more rats will leave that sinking ship.
 
2012-07-23 11:01:26 AM

R.A.Danny: Tommy Moo: Vacating wins has to be the dumbest punishment ever conceived.

It ruins JoePa's record. While that seems trifling now that he is dead, he was all about his legacy.


Yeah, but everyone will always know who is "really" the winningest coach. The stat will never be reported anywhere without an asterisk and a footnote reminding readers that "Oh by the way of course it was really Paterno except for that whole kiddie rape thing."
 
2012-07-23 11:01:28 AM

Minarets: I just want to point out that I checked the Wikipedia entry for the all time coaching wins record around 8:30 and Paterno's record had already been corrected.


I guess Bobby Bowden got up early.
 
2012-07-23 11:01:57 AM
Not sure who I love more right now...Juvandy or subby.
 
2012-07-23 11:02:09 AM
And soon....the lawsuits

That is going to bankrupt PSU...i cannot wait.

/did the Paternos find the real pedophiles yet?
 
2012-07-23 11:02:55 AM

Tommy Moo: Yeah, but everyone will always know who is "really" the winningest coach. The stat will never be reported anywhere without an asterisk and a footnote reminding readers that "Oh by the way of course it was really Paterno except for that whole kiddie rape thing."


Well they can't dig up the body and kick him in the old man balls. This is what they got.
 
2012-07-23 11:02:59 AM

Gosling: This is not going to stop people from putting Paterno at top of the wins list anyway.


You don't know many FSU fans, do you?
 
2012-07-23 11:03:08 AM
That means Joe Pa's last win was the 1997 Citrus Bowl, with Mike Mcquerey as his starting QB.
 
2012-07-23 11:03:13 AM

Gosling: Marine1: However, that's not the real reason for the 14 years vacation. The real thing is to permanently damage Joe Paterno's reputation as a coach. He was the winningest coach in Div. I history. Now he's not even close to the top of that list.

I have never once, in my entire life, heard someone actually apply a vacated win to a sports argument in casual conversation. I have never once, in my entire life, heard someone say 'Now hang on, that win was vacated, you can't bring up that game'. This is not going to stop people from putting Paterno at top of the wins list anyway.


It will for me. The program was crooked. If Gary Pinkel were to look the other way when successful coaches were raping boys to save the reputation of the program and keep that particular talent available, I'd consider the wins my university got in that time period worthless. The other teams played by the rules. You can't ignore massive problems just to keep winning.
 
2012-07-23 11:03:35 AM

Wrongo: I'm good with the penalties dished out to PSU. It spells the virtual death of their program for a decade or so, maybe longer. Joe Paterno's legacy is now officially what it should be; a coach who hung on too long, wanting to win at whatever cost.

Outside of the Sandusky victims, the kids I feel sorry for are the kids at Iowa, Indiana, Northwestern, where ever, that were just good enough to get a scholarship on a team that traditionally isn't the best in the league. A few of them are going to see their scholarships slip away. They will be replaced by PSU stars. At the very least, that, "Yeah kid, you got some talent and we are light in the right tackle slot - you can start at right tackle." now means, "Uh, we picked up Jones from Penn State. Looks like you are fighting it out with Jackson for 2nd or 3rd string." Not end of the world shiat, I know. Just a thought I had.

/disclosure, U of I alumni.


Wouldn't sweat that too hard, PSU didn't have many stars to give away as of last season.

B10 sanctions: PSU forfeits the next 4 years share of B10 bowl revenue; not eligible for conference championship game.
 
2012-07-23 11:03:59 AM
If they just got rid of the educational programs, they'd have more money to dedicate to important things like athletics.
 
2012-07-23 11:04:01 AM

Nana's Vibrator: brobdiggy: kdawg7736: I can accept the other punishments but vacating the last 14 years is bs to me.

I agree. Did Sandusky somehow give the team an onfield advantage such that the wins were illegitimate?
Hint: The answer is no.

Do you think Joe Paterno helped Penn State win a few games? Because if you do, the amount of wins vacated should date back to his first. And it still wouldn't be justice. Weasel.


That's my argument. Just like when Penn State fired Paterno before all the facts came out, this smells so much like a CYA move, that the NCAA was so pressured to do something by all the witch hunters who didn't know who Sandusky was before the scandal broke...and now they can point to this highly punitive but still half-assed move and say, "Happy now?"

/Unfortunately, said witch hunters won't be.
 
2012-07-23 11:04:11 AM
USC vacated a National Championship. This punishment is about twice as harsh as what USC got when Reggie Bush took some money while he played at USC. Both schools will recover.
 
2012-07-23 11:04:30 AM

draa: This text is now purple: austin_millbarge: Im not trying to bust your balls, you obviously have good intentions with your comment. But to me it reflects an attitude that is a cancer on this nation. People need to stop worshipping sports teams and sports figures.

People need to seriously research what popular culture followed prior to sports teams and figures.

Dueling dropped dramatically once football caught on in the South.

Hahaha. I liked that.

High School/College/Pro Sports are about the only things left that can bring the political sides together. Get a Dem and a Repub in the same room and about the only thing they can agree on is sports. It's a very unifying. If you fark with that there will be another Civil War within 5 years. That's why we had the first one. There was no sports on the weekend to distract people. And yes, it is a little cancerous at times but that's the way we like it.


A little cancerous, from where I'm sitting this ruling is not harsh enough. It still protects the program, it allows the program to survive and resume operations in 5 years. It gives them a slap on the wrist monetary fine and a slap on the wrist other penalties.

To me justice would have been 60 million for 14 years, the length of time the abuse happened, all of Jo Pa's record expunged, and no scholarships for 5 years. This ruling is just a corrupt body, NCAA, protecting a corrupt school from the logical consequences of their actions.

I hope Penn State loses trillions of dollars in civil court.
 
2012-07-23 11:04:32 AM

hdhale: bdub77: OSU down. PSU down. Michigan next?

This sure feels like a Big Ten witch hunt perpetrated by the NCAA. They can go after the low hanging fruit instead of investigating, I dunno, the entire SEC.

The NCAA can go fark itself.

Michigan got tagged back during the "Rich Rod" era for too much practice time. They lost prctice time as a result and otherwise got slapped on the wrist.

As I've stated before elsewhere, I'm rapidly tiring of college athletics and the dartboard and battle ax approach to punishment of programs. Sure I can root for the University of Kentucky to win another NCAA Men's basketball title this year, and get emotionally invested in the outcome, but increasingly I feel like any program at any moment can have all its wins taken away and be told they never happened because a starting player talked to an agent 5 fives ago and got money for a nice dinner and a pair of shoes. That's not even professional wrestling. It's a farce. Why waste my time?


Maybe the meatheaded jocks you idolize should consider following the rules.

I realize the burden may be high, needing to learn to read and all... but come on. It isn't like the shiat is a mysterious handshake of the stonecutters or something. It's in a little book, they give out for free.
 
2012-07-23 11:04:46 AM
Nevermind the fact the school deserved a punishment.

Does anyone find it weird a sporting authority has the ability to dole out punishment like this? This is how seriously we take sports? A bunch of guys who regulate how people score in a football game punish an organization for child molestation.
 
2012-07-23 11:04:59 AM
The death penalty should have been on the table. The NCAA went light.
 
2012-07-23 11:05:02 AM

asmodeus224:

/did the Paternos find the real pedophiles yet?


Funny.
 
2012-07-23 11:05:35 AM

draa: This text is now purple: austin_millbarge: Im not trying to bust your balls, you obviously have good intentions with your comment. But to me it reflects an attitude that is a cancer on this nation. People need to stop worshipping sports teams and sports figures.

People need to seriously research what popular culture followed prior to sports teams and figures.

Dueling dropped dramatically once football caught on in the South.

Hahaha. I liked that.

High School/College/Pro Sports are about the only things left that can bring the political sides together. Get a Dem and a Repub in the same room and about the only thing they can agree on is sports. It's a very unifying. If you fark with that there will be another Civil War within 5 years. That's why we had the first one. There was no sports on the weekend to distract people. And yes, it is a little cancerous at times but that's the way we like it.


As I said in another thread: All of you who are Christians (especially the Evangelical "The Bible is truth and evolution is a lie" folks) who don't get the culture at Penn State...welcome to how atheists view you.
 
2012-07-23 11:06:06 AM

topcon: A bunch of guys who regulate how people score in a football game punish an organization for child molestation.


Two of the three alive suspects are under indictment. That's coming too. The law moves a bit slower than the NCAA, well sometimes.
 
2012-07-23 11:06:23 AM
It does seem that many Penn State supporters are still more concerned with football than with child rape.
 
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