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2012-07-23 10:29:54 AM  

Baz the Spaz: The next fun will be to see if the Department of Education has the balls to hit Penn State with huge fines for failure to report the crimes under the Clery Act.


Unless i'm mistaken, the severest punishment under the act is the suspension of access to any student financial aid programs.

If 14 years worth of covering up a child rapist at the university doesn't warrant the severest punishment, i'm really not sure what would be.
 
2012-07-23 10:30:01 AM  
In other news, the NCAA vacated Tuskegee's wins from 1947-1972, including SIAC championships in 1967,68,69, and 70. This now makes Florida A&M in the all-time winningest HBCU team.
 
2012-07-23 10:30:04 AM  

Electriclectic: Well, they certainly damaged Paterno's coaching legacy, so I guess that's something.


JoePa himself did that.
 
2012-07-23 10:30:12 AM  

spentmiles: I wonder what Sandusky is thinking right now, sitting in his cell, knowing that he destroyed the program and irreparably injured so many children. He's got to be a seriously soulless piece of shiat considering to not be swinging from his shoelaces. I'd personally like to start the Kill Yourself Sandusky Campaign. Details coming later. Is it illegal for a huge group of people to cheer someone to suicide?


He's thinking about your son...
 
2012-07-23 10:30:18 AM  

jst3p: DamnYankees: Why do they have to be "any good"?

Because that is how athletic works?


But its not how sanctions should work. We don't punish athletes based on how good they are at the sport, and I would be extremely resistant to any penalty to the school which had the result of farking over less-talented athletes while keeping the better ones safe.
 
2012-07-23 10:30:19 AM  
Not an unfair penalty. Except for the vacating of wins. The entire concept of vacating wins is confusing and idiotic and I feel that way about each and every instance they have applied it.
 
2012-07-23 10:31:03 AM  

DamnYankees: Because where's the demand for the 5th backup linebacker?


You don't think that Temple could do some things with Penn State recruits? Kent State? Akron? Western Kentucky?
 
2012-07-23 10:31:20 AM  
I wonder what Jay Paterno has to say about this....

i.imgur.com
 
2012-07-23 10:31:27 AM  

lohphat: jst3p: gimmegimme: Weigard: lohphat: Why didn't they do the same thing to Catholic school teams?

Some pedos are more equal than others it seems.

Because f*ck you, troll.

Are you denying that the Catholic Church has been facilitating child rape for decades all across the world and in some cases giving the child rapists cash bonuses?

I didn't know that the Catholic Church had a football program governed by the NCAA.

So if you don't participate in NCAA then it's OK then? That's Penn State's problem right there.


No, if you don't participate in the NCAA, then the NCAA isn't allowed to punish you.
 
2012-07-23 10:31:43 AM  

WhoIsWillo: DamnYankees: Because where's the demand for the 5th backup linebacker?

You don't think that Temple could do some things with Penn State recruits? Kent State? Akron? Western Kentucky?


I honestly don't know. Maybe I'm worrying about nothing on this particular point.
 
2012-07-23 10:31:47 AM  

DamnYankees: rrent players will, if they choose to stay, be able to keep their scholarships? Is this confirmed? Is it just for this year, or until graduation? I hope that's true, as that would solve a major concern of mine, which is the collateral damage to the current students who


I think that ruling was designed to protect students who might want to explore their potential options from being cut for doing so.
 
2012-07-23 10:32:07 AM  

brobdiggy: kdawg7736: I can accept the other punishments but vacating the last 14 years is bs to me.

I agree. Did Sandusky somehow give the team an onfield advantage such that the wins were illegitimate?
Hint: The answer is no.


Yeah, a defensive coordinator definitely has nothing to do with the success of a program called "linebacker U."
 
2012-07-23 10:32:08 AM  

DamnYankees: jst3p: DamnYankees: Why do they have to be "any good"?

Because that is how athletic works?

But its not how sanctions should work. We don't punish athletes based on how good they are at the sport, and I would be extremely resistant to any penalty to the school which had the result of farking over less-talented athletes while keeping the better ones safe.


I agree that there will be some unfortunate side effects for some individuals but justice isn't always pretty.
 
2012-07-23 10:32:09 AM  

tailormadebassist: Icetech3: 60m is nothing to that college and the ncaa has punished students that have no reason to be punished other than supporting joe pa... go after the people responsible..

When I heard about it I thought the same thing. It's a slap on the wrist to Penn State but a blow to the students. The coach didn't win those games, the kids on the field did. This is hurting the students more than it's hurting the college. Plus, I feel bad for the senior football players who were working hard to try and get to those bowl games. More sanctions on the people involved and not the innocent students.


Those "kids" (now all adults) can still say they played football games and won - the University can't. Those kids still have their bowl rings and their degrees (if they graduated). So the "kids" of Penn State lost NOTHING. The current kids can transfer. So quit being a tool - the kids are just fine.
 
2012-07-23 10:32:11 AM  
stonicus: No, if you don't participate in the NCAA, then the NCAA isn't allowed to punish you.

Dude, I think you're being trolled.
 
2012-07-23 10:32:32 AM  
I am sure that is the weirdest apostrophe I will see all week.
 
2012-07-23 10:32:42 AM  

DamnYankees: bulldg4life: basemetal: Not even close to a PSU fan, but why are you punishing the players that had nothing to do with this?

The players have the option to transfer free of penalty or finish out their schooling free of charge.

But are other schools obliged to take them? Just curious.


Well, no, but if they're good they won't have any problems.
 
2012-07-23 10:32:47 AM  

ScouserDuck: I was speaking as a college football fan. I would be crushed if my team's record was 0-14 years. But what you and others had said is correct too.


Crushed? See, that right there is really at the root of the problem in the US. People place WAY TOO MUCH significance in the results of sports teams. Allowing a sports team to be a reflection of one's own identity and self worth shows a distortion of reality that people need to get away from.

Your favorite team isn't who you are.

And if you want to see people who are truly "crushed", go talk to the victims.

Im not trying to bust your balls, you obviously have good intentions with your comment. But to me it reflects an attitude that is a cancer on this nation. People need to stop worshipping sports teams and sports figures.
 
2012-07-23 10:32:47 AM  

LesserEvil: I wonder what Jay Paterno has to say about this....

[i.imgur.com image 637x337]


He's probably devestated. Wouldn't you be? This dude didn't do anything wrong, and he's had to learn some horrifying things about his father recently. I have sympathy.
 
2012-07-23 10:32:59 AM  
They should have pulled the Football program at Penn State. Anything less is a slap on the wrist. Want to play football at Penn State? Join the Intramural league.
 
2012-07-23 10:33:22 AM  

jst3p: DamnYankees: jst3p: DamnYankees: Why do they have to be "any good"?

Because that is how athletic works?

But its not how sanctions should work. We don't punish athletes based on how good they are at the sport, and I would be extremely resistant to any penalty to the school which had the result of farking over less-talented athletes while keeping the better ones safe.

I agree that there will be some unfortunate side effects for some individuals but justice isn't always pretty.


It's also not always justice.
 
2012-07-23 10:33:28 AM  

DamnYankees: urbangirl: DamnYankees: randomjsa: If you want to send a message? Ban the school from playing sports completely for four years.

So you want to punish all those student athletes who have devoted huge parts of their life to their athletics, for doing absolutely nothing wrong?

If they're really any good, some other school will be happy to take them in. And they can start playing tomorrow.

Why do they have to be "any good"? I don't think that's a fair marker for determining punishment. If you are a modest pole vaulter, maybe PSU was the only place to offer you a scholarship. I don't think its fair to destroy that student's chance at an education because she happens to go to school at the same place an awful crime was committed.


You're right. There's literally billions of imaginary people who's sports career will be destroyed by this. Maybe even trillions.
 
2012-07-23 10:33:31 AM  

jst3p: DamnYankees: jst3p: DamnYankees: Why do they have to be "any good"?

Because that is how athletic works?

But its not how sanctions should work. We don't punish athletes based on how good they are at the sport, and I would be extremely resistant to any penalty to the school which had the result of farking over less-talented athletes while keeping the better ones safe.

I agree that there will be some unfortunate side effects for some individuals but justice isn't always pretty.


They should be viewed as more victims of Sandusky and the people who covered up his crimes.
 
2012-07-23 10:33:43 AM  
You guys, no one has brought up the most important thing. Does Mrs. Paterno still get free use of the school's hydrotherapy facilities?
 
2012-07-23 10:34:28 AM  

inert: You're right. There's literally billions of imaginary people who's sports career will be destroyed by this. Maybe even trillions.


No, there won't be. But there might be one, or two. And I think its worth thinking about them.
 
2012-07-23 10:34:32 AM  

DammitIForgotMyLogin: Baz the Spaz: The next fun will be to see if the Department of Education has the balls to hit Penn State with huge fines for failure to report the crimes under the Clery Act.

Unless i'm mistaken, the severest punishment under the act is the suspension of access to any student financial aid programs.

If 14 years worth of covering up a child rapist at the university doesn't warrant the severest punishment, i'm really not sure what would be.


Illinois has an unrepentant terrorist on their faculty.
Stanford has a notorious history of human-rights abuses.
Tuskegee gave syphilis to people for 25 years and refused to treat them.
Citadel raised an army of sedition.
West Point was commanded by a traitor.

All of those schools receive federal funding.
 
2012-07-23 10:34:38 AM  

Endive Wombat: FTFA: "The NCAA has hit Penn State with a $60 million sanction, a four-year football postseason ban and a vacation of all wins dating to 1998, the organization said Monday morning."

Can someone please explain to a non-sports fan why this is important?


Its not. It won't hurt the program at all going forward. You see, the NCAA can't actually damage that program or a few of the other big ones, because they depend on them to survive. Most college football loses money or breaks even, all the truly stupid amounts of money that are made are by only a few big teams.
Those smaller colleges have been punished or even straight up kicked out for minor violations because the NCAA can afford to, sometimes wants to. They needed something here that looked impressive but won't actually affect the cash flow coming in. The big teams never get actual sanctions, because the NCAA would be the one losing the money from those.

/Yes, college sports does have a few select teams that are "too big to fail". this is one of them.
 
2012-07-23 10:35:09 AM  

DamnYankees: jst3p: DamnYankees: jst3p: DamnYankees: Why do they have to be "any good"?

Because that is how athletic works?

But its not how sanctions should work. We don't punish athletes based on how good they are at the sport, and I would be extremely resistant to any penalty to the school which had the result of farking over less-talented athletes while keeping the better ones safe.

I agree that there will be some unfortunate side effects for some individuals but justice isn't always pretty.

It's also not always justice.


Well, there is rarely unanimous agreement on what constitutes "justice".
 
2012-07-23 10:35:25 AM  

Endive Wombat: stonicus: Endive Wombat: FTFA: "The NCAA has hit Penn State with a $60 million sanction, a four-year football postseason ban and a vacation of all wins dating to 1998, the organization said Monday morning."

Can someone please explain to a non-sports fan why this is important?

Winning games and bowl games is the entire reason they play football. Basically telling them "everything you did the last 12 years is erased". It'd be like erasing half your resume then going to try to find a job.

So doesn't this fark over current students (players)? What about folks who went to Penn State and are now in the Pros? Are they not "allowed" to put their Penn State football achievements on their resume?


Why don't you just read the article now instead of asking increasingly dumb questions. The info is all there for you with explanations and everything. I don't always snark, but damn!
 
2012-07-23 10:36:03 AM  

stampylives: I agree. Did Sandusky somehow give the team an onfield advantage such that the wins were illegitimate?
Hint: The answer is no.

Yeah, a defensive coordinator definitely has nothing to do with the success of a program called "linebacker U."


The vacated wins were from 1998-2011 -- a period in which Sandusky was not a coach.
 
2012-07-23 10:36:24 AM  

This text is now purple: Illinois has an unrepentant terrorist on their faculty.
Stanford has a notorious history of human-rights abuses.
Tuskegee gave syphilis to people for 25 years and refused to treat them.
Citadel raised an army of sedition.
West Point was commanded by a traitor.


The NCAA has no authority outside of the sports realm.
 
2012-07-23 10:36:24 AM  

DamnYankees: Why do they have to be "any good"? I don't think that's a fair marker for determining punishment. If you are a modest pole vaulter, maybe PSU was the only place to offer you a scholarship. I don't think its fair to destroy that student's chance at an education because she happens to go to school at the same place an awful crime was committed.


So if I understand you correctly it simply would not be possible that he could just continue on there as a normal student without the pole vaulting.

They can transfer or they can become normal students and I double dog dare the college to yank their scholarships. Public opinion can still get worse and we can tack on another 5 or 10 or 20 million fine to cover their education if that's what it takes.
 
2012-07-23 10:36:27 AM  

TanSau: Dear Penn:

HA ha!!!


PENN is a well respected Ivy League university in Philadelphia. I know you mean to sound like you are calling it a prison but you are just comming off as really confused. Try State Penn for the proper effect.
 
2012-07-23 10:36:43 AM  

jst3p: Well, there is rarely unanimous agreement on what constitutes "justice".


nukethefridge.com

Indeed.
 
2012-07-23 10:37:12 AM  

DamnYankees: jst3p: DamnYankees: jst3p: DamnYankees: Why do they have to be "any good"?

Because that is how athletic works?

But its not how sanctions should work. We don't punish athletes based on how good they are at the sport, and I would be extremely resistant to any penalty to the school which had the result of farking over less-talented athletes while keeping the better ones safe.

I agree that there will be some unfortunate side effects for some individuals but justice isn't always pretty.

It's also not always justice.


You must have missed his foot-in-mouth moment yesterday.

It's unfortunate that somebody who has had the advantages of having the name "Paterno" is now having to deal with the disadvantages of having the name "Paterno". Life can suck like that, but he would have been far better served to keep a low profile, even when they took down his dad's statueshrine.
 
2012-07-23 10:37:40 AM  

austin_millbarge: Im not trying to bust your balls, you obviously have good intentions with your comment. But to me it reflects an attitude that is a cancer on this nation. People need to stop worshipping sports teams and sports figures.


People need to seriously research what popular culture followed prior to sports teams and figures.

Dueling dropped dramatically once football caught on in the South.
 
2012-07-23 10:37:42 AM  

randomjsa: So if I understand you correctly it simply would not be possible that he could just continue on there as a normal student without the pole vaulting.


Not if she's relying on the scholarship. That's what I'm saying.

To be clear, this is all hypothetical - Penn State wasn't punished in this way, yet.
 
2012-07-23 10:37:50 AM  

PlatinumDragon: From a redlit thread yesterday, some real meat for the "Joe Pa's image is still real to me" crowd - try this:

1) Offer all students and faculty transfers to other schools, with all costs covered by whatever PSU has in assets.

2) Raze the entire campus.

3) Salt the earth the campus once stood upon.

4) Put Joe Paterno's statue in the middle of this field of woe and let it stand there as a reminder to all other organizations of what will happen if a child rapist is allowed to operate under official protection.

/there you go psu apologists - enjoy your shiny over-the-top suggestion to lambaste
//you don't want to know what I'd do to Vatican City in my imagination


Yes we do...
 
2012-07-23 10:38:21 AM  

LesserEvil: DamnYankees: jst3p: DamnYankees: jst3p: DamnYankees: Why do they have to be "any good"?

Because that is how athletic works?

But its not how sanctions should work. We don't punish athletes based on how good they are at the sport, and I would be extremely resistant to any penalty to the school which had the result of farking over less-talented athletes while keeping the better ones safe.

I agree that there will be some unfortunate side effects for some individuals but justice isn't always pretty.

It's also not always justice.

You must have missed his foot-in-mouth moment yesterday.

It's unfortunate that somebody who has had the advantages of having the name "Paterno" is now having to deal with the disadvantages of having the name "Paterno". Life can suck like that, but he would have been far better served to keep a low profile, even when they took down his dad's statueshrine.


I can't blame the Paterno kids. They had such a disgusting person and poor role model for a father.
 
2012-07-23 10:38:22 AM  

gimmegimme: I was getting really sick of the Paterno defenders whining about the players, even though all of the sensible people were saying that immediate transfer should and would probably be an option.


Because uprooting yourself and moving is completely easy and stress free.

Labeling anyone pointing that out a Paterno defender: 2/10
 
2012-07-23 10:38:23 AM  

cameroncrazy1984: Oh yeah, just pretend that a 14 year cover-up never happened.


About that
 
2012-07-23 10:38:46 AM  

DamnYankees: Not if she's relying on the scholarship. That's what I'm saying.

To be clear, this is all hypothetical - Penn State wasn't punished in this way, yet.



The ruling says Penn State cannot cut sports to pay for the fine.
 
2012-07-23 10:38:48 AM  
This isn't about Joe Pa.

This isn't about Penn State.

This is about NEXT STATE. This is about the next school thinking about covering up the abuse of children for the good of the football program. This is supposed to make them decide to do the moral, right thing - because now it will be in their own best self-interest to do so.

Whether these penalties are sufficient to that task is debatable, but at least understand the thought process here.
 
2012-07-23 10:38:55 AM  

LesserEvil: DamnYankees: jst3p: DamnYankees: jst3p: DamnYankees: Why do they have to be "any good"?

Because that is how athletic works?

But its not how sanctions should work. We don't punish athletes based on how good they are at the sport, and I would be extremely resistant to any penalty to the school which had the result of farking over less-talented athletes while keeping the better ones safe.

I agree that there will be some unfortunate side effects for some individuals but justice isn't always pretty.

It's also not always justice.

You must have missed his foot-in-mouth moment yesterday.

It's unfortunate that somebody who has had the advantages of having the name "Paterno" is now having to deal with the disadvantages of having the name "Paterno". Life can suck like that, but he would have been far better served to keep a low profile, even when they took down his dad's statueshrine.


I said this?
 
2012-07-23 10:38:59 AM  

bulldg4life: It was announced during the press conference. Any current player can keep their scholarship should they meet the academic requirements through the rest of their eligibility.


I also have heard that the NCAA might let other schools expand their scholarship limits to accept transferring PSU players.
 
2012-07-23 10:39:19 AM  

PlatinumDragon: //you don't want to know what I'd do to Vatican City in my imagination


I wouldn't mess with the city itself. it has some great buildings. The occupants, yes, but after they were mostly flayed or disarticulated I think the tiny little city itself would make a freaking awesome venue and clubbing spot.
 
2012-07-23 10:39:27 AM  

LesserEvil: DamnYankees: jst3p: DamnYankees: jst3p: DamnYankees: Why do they have to be "any good"?

Because that is how athletic works?

But its not how sanctions should work. We don't punish athletes based on how good they are at the sport, and I would be extremely resistant to any penalty to the school which had the result of farking over less-talented athletes while keeping the better ones safe.

I agree that there will be some unfortunate side effects for some individuals but justice isn't always pretty.

It's also not always justice.

You must have missed his foot-in-mouth moment yesterday.

It's unfortunate that somebody who has had the advantages of having the name "Paterno" is now having to deal with the disadvantages of having the name "Paterno". Life can suck like that, but he would have been far better served to keep a low profile, even when they took down his dad's statueshrine.


Wow.... I'm not sure how that ended up getting the wrong quote. It was in response to this:

DamnYankees: LesserEvil: I wonder what Jay Paterno has to say about this....

[i.imgur.com image 637x337]

He's probably devestated. Wouldn't you be? This dude didn't do anything wrong, and he's had to learn some horrifying things about his father recently. I have sympathy.

 
2012-07-23 10:39:50 AM  
 
2012-07-23 10:40:16 AM  

AndreMA: I wonder how many innocent players whose careers the NCAA just harmed? How about just removing credit from Paterno for those wins, while allowing them to stand for the players, so as not to hurt their NFL recruitment prospects?

Talk about compounding the damage; I think the NCAA took a few too many hits to the head.


The players still at Penn State get to transfer with no issues. The players who already graduated are not harmed by this loss of wins in ANY way shape or form. They are either already in the pros or doing something non-football related.

WHY DO SOME OF YOU RETARDS ACT LIKE THE KIDS ARE BEING PUNISHED?

/buncha disingenuous farktards is what you are
 
2012-07-23 10:40:22 AM  

WhoIsWillo: DamnYankees: Not if she's relying on the scholarship. That's what I'm saying.

To be clear, this is all hypothetical - Penn State wasn't punished in this way, yet.


The ruling says Penn State cannot cut sports to pay for the fine.


Obviously. The NCAA wouldn't do anything to hurt their own bottom line...
 
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