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2012-07-23 10:40:16 AM  

AndreMA: I wonder how many innocent players whose careers the NCAA just harmed? How about just removing credit from Paterno for those wins, while allowing them to stand for the players, so as not to hurt their NFL recruitment prospects?

Talk about compounding the damage; I think the NCAA took a few too many hits to the head.


The players still at Penn State get to transfer with no issues. The players who already graduated are not harmed by this loss of wins in ANY way shape or form. They are either already in the pros or doing something non-football related.

WHY DO SOME OF YOU RETARDS ACT LIKE THE KIDS ARE BEING PUNISHED?

/buncha disingenuous farktards is what you are
 
2012-07-23 10:40:22 AM  

WhoIsWillo: DamnYankees: Not if she's relying on the scholarship. That's what I'm saying.

To be clear, this is all hypothetical - Penn State wasn't punished in this way, yet.


The ruling says Penn State cannot cut sports to pay for the fine.


Obviously. The NCAA wouldn't do anything to hurt their own bottom line...
 
2012-07-23 10:40:38 AM  

jst3p: I said this?


I was referring to Jay Paterno. I apparently quoted the wrong post.
 
2012-07-23 10:40:58 AM  

This text is now purple: stampylives: I agree. Did Sandusky somehow give the team an onfield advantage such that the wins were illegitimate?
Hint: The answer is no.

Yeah, a defensive coordinator definitely has nothing to do with the success of a program called "linebacker U."

The vacated wins were from 1998-2011 -- a period in which Sandusky was not a coach.


I believe he was the Shower Offensive Coordinator
 
2012-07-23 10:41:29 AM  

LesserEvil: jst3p: I said this?

I was referring to Jay Paterno. I apparently quoted the wrong post.


Gotcha.
 
2012-07-23 10:41:46 AM  

my lip balm addiction: Icetech3: 60m is nothing to that college and the ncaa has punished students that have no reason to be punished other than supporting joe pa... go after the people responsible..

How did the students get punished? The athletes can transfer and the academic kids can still watch Saturday afternoon football, just a shiatty team now. So what "punishment" did the kids receive?

/did I just respond to a troll?


The students get punished because a major revenue stream for the institution will no longer be a major revenue stream. Combine that with cuts in state and Federal funding, and reductions in donations from alumni and others that have happened everywhere because of the crappy economy and the next sound you hear will be that of crying from the library when they are told about the staff cuts and freezes in salary. Of course the fat ass tenured Classics professor across campus will shuffle in his chair a bit and make "hurumph, they should eliminates athletics anyway" noises, but perhaps he might get a bit more upset when he finds out that he has to share a secretary with several more professors now and may end up making his own copies. The dorms won't be a nice, and the computers in the computer lab won't be as new and that new Sciences Building won't get built any time soon--point is that when you cut funding it hurts in all sorts of little and big ways.
 
2012-07-23 10:41:50 AM  

hamdingers: This is about NEXT STATE. This is about the next school thinking about covering up the abuse of children for the good of the football program. This is supposed to make them decide to do the moral, right thing - because now it will be in their own best self-interest to do so.


The problem with these types of messages is that they only work against people who get caught.

We don't know how many schools are covering up events that have not yet come to light -- and how many successfully did it in the past.
 
2012-07-23 10:41:52 AM  
Somewhere in rural Pennsylvania, a fat man is crying.
 
2012-07-23 10:42:03 AM  

WMCB: I don't understand eliminating scholarships. Why punish the students for their coaches' farkups?


OMFG!!! No student loses their scholarship - the school just can't hand out new ones.

Why are you Sofa King retarded?
 
2012-07-23 10:42:06 AM  

sab6300: This text is now purple: stampylives: I agree. Did Sandusky somehow give the team an onfield advantage such that the wins were illegitimate?
Hint: The answer is no.

Yeah, a defensive coordinator definitely has nothing to do with the success of a program called "linebacker U."

The vacated wins were from 1998-2011 -- a period in which Sandusky was not a coach.

I believe he was the Shower Offensive Coordinator


Wow. A+
 
2012-07-23 10:42:13 AM  

mister aj: One man touches a kid in his special place, and that means that you can:

- Travel back in time, pretend some wins never happened
- Destroy an entire university
- Take away scholarships from people that need them
- Taint the reputations of the best of the student body, and possibly destroy their future football careers

Yup, that's justice.


Nope, one man does that , you just send him to jail.

One entire institution acknowledges, enables and protects that man repetitively and for years because they don't want to lose a good football coach, the entire institution needs to burn. Period
 
2012-07-23 10:42:14 AM  
I don't think that's enough. I'd like to see

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2012-07-23 10:42:24 AM  
Pretty weak, NCAA. Looks like your track record of doing the wrong thing is safe.
 
2012-07-23 10:43:08 AM  

brobdiggy: kdawg7736: I can accept the other punishments but vacating the last 14 years is bs to me.

I agree. Did Sandusky somehow give the team an onfield advantage such that the wins were illegitimate?
Hint: The answer is no.


Think, McFly.... That move had nothing to do with Sandusky and everything to do with Paterno being removed from the record books for his part in it.
 
2012-07-23 10:43:22 AM  

WhoIsWillo: The ruling says Penn State cannot cut sports to pay for the fine.


The NCAA is really going out on a limb there since doing that would get the school's ass in a Title IX sling.
 
2012-07-23 10:43:52 AM  

Nabb1: The NCAA is really going out on a limb there since doing that would get the school's ass in a Title IX sling.


They could cut men's sports and women's sports equally.
 
2012-07-23 10:44:48 AM  

AndreMA: gimmegimme: I was getting really sick of the Paterno defenders whining about the players, even though all of the sensible people were saying that immediate transfer should and would probably be an option.

Because uprooting yourself and moving is completely easy and stress free.

Labeling anyone pointing that out a Paterno defender: 2/10


You live in a dorm room and all of your worldly possessions fit in a box. How hard can it be? And you don't HAVE to move.
 
2012-07-23 10:44:48 AM  

Lucubrationist: I am a cynical person by nature. But this "penalty" that the NCAA imposed upon Penn State is a travesty that should outrage rational people who don't folow sports.

This penalty is nothing but a negotiated settlement that Penn State essentially bought from the NCAA in order to avoid the death penalty.This penalty will last longer than the penalty, but Penn State fans are currently wiping their brow and saying "at least we still get to play football". At a school where winning at football apparently supersedes legal statutes, this is a mere slap on the wrist.

In my opinion, Penn State's actions were the epitome of "lack of institutional control", and were so blatantly outside of acceptable standards that a long term death penalty was the only reasonable penalty.

The lesson here: college sports are all about money.


You have no idea what you're talking about. PSU wasn't on probation, and didn't have a history of previous violations. They didn't qualify for the program Death Penalty. They could have imposed it for the heck of it, I suppose, but the rules are pretty clear about when it's considered an appropriate use.

In addition, PSU had no standing or political power to "negotiate" for a stick of gum, let alone a lighter sentence. The NCAA was going to do whatever they wanted, and they did. They're going to go back to the days of paying out of pocket for their program (like most other schools) since they can't participate in bowls and their TV deal is likely going into the shredder. They've got to give up $60M out of pocket, and they lose the records and the prestige of their history. Everyone involved will lose their job, end up in jail, or both. There are civil trials to go, conference sanctions still upcoming, and a continued PR campaign that's still severely damaging the school.

Is it enough? Probably not. But to think this is some miscarriage of justice because the school wasn't firebombed from the sky is just silly. PSU didn't win. Football didn't win. Everyone lost.
 
2012-07-23 10:45:50 AM  

AndreMA: I'm in no way equating what Sandusky's victims suffered to the damage done to these players, but it seems an brain-dead response: "Sandusky did these horrible things and Paterno covered of for him. Whatever shall we do? I know! let's make a bunch more innocent victims in the whole mess!"


it just seems a bit disingenuous to me to refer to someone who has had his former football team's record adjusted retroactively as "an innocent victim" in light of the reason why.

my HS football team had an entire season vacated one year because they had an ineligible player on the team. he never played a single down yet the rest of the team were "innocent victims" and had their wins stripped.

it's a punishment for the coach - the players, fans and everybody else that matters who really won those games.
 
2012-07-23 10:46:18 AM  

kwame: juvandy: I disagree. One of the likely motivations for the coverup was to prevent distractions to the program and maintain the "aura" of PSU as a place that "does things right". Both allowed them to focus on games and get good recruits, when they should have been dealing with a child rapist. They fundamentally prioritized winning at all costs, and a number of children were hurt in the process. That is inexcusable, and the NCAA absolutely did the right thing.

See that word in bold? That's one of several reason why it absolutely was not the right thing to do.

But angry people can now feel like punishment has been meted out, so whoopideedoo.


Your opinion means nothing Kwame. You definitely fark Live Dolls, and you come across as a pedo lover too. That means that you are just another sick fark that no one should ever pay heed to.
 
2012-07-23 10:46:30 AM  

LesserEvil: I wonder what Jay Paterno has to say about this....

i.imgur.com



// I found the eye mouths, the lube, the monkeys, and pedo bear. Did I miss anything?
 
2012-07-23 10:46:32 AM  
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2012-07-23 10:46:45 AM  

WhoIsWillo: Nabb1: The NCAA is really going out on a limb there since doing that would get the school's ass in a Title IX sling.

They could cut men's sports and women's sports equally.


I don't think they could do even that because of a fine on the football program. Unless, of course, football was one of the programs that got the axe. But at most big-time football schools, football is really the only sport that generates significant revenue.
 
2012-07-23 10:47:03 AM  

Endive Wombat: FTFA: "The NCAA has hit Penn State with a $60 million sanction, a four-year football postseason ban and a vacation of all wins dating to 1998, the organization said Monday morning."

Can someone please explain to a non-sports fan why this is important?


Stripping the coaching staff and university of prestige and making an example. 1998 is their first reported failure to stop Sandusky. The main point is that your program will be farked if you allow something like this to happen.
 
2012-07-23 10:47:39 AM  

Litterbox: brobdiggy: kdawg7736: I can accept the other punishments but vacating the last 14 years is bs to me.

I agree. Did Sandusky somehow give the team an onfield advantage such that the wins were illegitimate?
Hint: The answer is no.

Think, McFly.... That move had nothing to do with Sandusky and everything to do with Paterno being removed from the record books for his part in it.


Think, they got away with scapegoating the only person dead and not relevant to this anymore, all while the guilty parties in the coverup go unmentioned, and while not interrupting the revenue stream for the NCAA.

Symbolic punishment is symbolic.
 
2012-07-23 10:47:42 AM  

DamnYankees: inert: You're right. There's literally billions of imaginary people who's sports career will be destroyed by this. Maybe even trillions.

No, there won't be. But there might be one, or two. And I think its worth thinking about them.


So you're on the side of the one imaginary person who would have gotten a sports scholarship to Penn State next year, but somehow would have zero chance of going to another school anywhere else in the country and against the side who thinks that when a college deliberately and maliciously covers-up child rape because it feels playing football games is much more important than a few kids getting buttfarked in the showers then that college's sports program at the very least have some major penalties against it, but better still be shut down completely?

This imaginary person must be a family member of yours.
 
2012-07-23 10:47:44 AM  

Craptastic: Let's kick 'em out of the Big Ten as well!


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2012-07-23 10:47:52 AM  

kwame: juvandy: I disagree. One of the likely motivations for the coverup was to prevent distractions to the program and maintain the "aura" of PSU as a place that "does things right". Both allowed them to focus on games and get good recruits, when they should have been dealing with a child rapist. They fundamentally prioritized winning at all costs, and a number of children were hurt in the process. That is inexcusable, and the NCAA absolutely did the right thing.

See that word in bold? That's one of several reason why it absolutely was not the right thing to do.

But angry people can now feel like punishment has been meted out, so whoopideedoo.


So are you suggesting Paterno covered up child molestation not so much to protect the football program, but rather than protect the child molester?
 
2012-07-23 10:47:55 AM  
ll-media.tmz.com
Won't someone besides ME think of the children at Penn State?




/No. I don't think the students are getting punished at all.
//Other than having to watch a mediocre football team for the next decade.
 
2012-07-23 10:47:58 AM  

DamnYankees: randomjsa: So if I understand you correctly it simply would not be possible that he could just continue on there as a normal student without the pole vaulting.

Not if she's relying on the scholarship. That's what I'm saying.

To be clear, this is all hypothetical - Penn State wasn't punished in this way, yet.


If you have a scholarship, you keep it. RTFA
 
2012-07-23 10:49:13 AM  

Endive Wombat: FTFA: "The NCAA has hit Penn State with a $60 million sanction, a four-year football postseason ban and a vacation of all wins dating to 1998, the organization said Monday morning."

Can someone please explain to a non-sports fan why this is important?


It's not. Except for this: The NCAA doesn't have half the authority to actually do what it is doing here, but they hold they keys to college football. This is a case of the jocks taking over the nerds when no one asked them to. The NCAA president is contributing to punishing an entire generation of college students for what four people in the athletic program did.

Is there a reason for sanctions? No. Paterno is dead. Sandusky is in jail. The Penn State board of trustees has been replaced.

So why is the NCAA doing this? Because of the massive amount of skeletons in their own closet. Why not divert your attention from decades of Payola scandals and other corruption that is actually university wide in other schools by acting phony tough on a school who harbored a convicted child molester. There is easy money in that.

Let's see how many other "Academic Integrity Agreements" the NCAA wants other schools to sign when they get caught doing illegal activity. The NCAA got its day in the sun by punishing a group of people who had/have nothing to do with it, after the damage was all done. And they will be applauded for it like they are somehow saving the institution of education in America. After that, they will go right back to the sleazy, ninth-circle-of-hell type willful blindness they have always had about what they are doing to destroy education in America by reducing every academic institution in America to Football commercial.
 
2012-07-23 10:49:21 AM  

CliChe Guevara: all while the guilty parties in the coverup go unmentioned,


Unmentioned? Two of them are indicted for perjury and may be spending some hard time behind bars.
 
2012-07-23 10:49:37 AM  
Hmmm Big Ten makes it's announcement in about 12 minutes, be interesting to see what it has in store.
 
2012-07-23 10:49:40 AM  

urbangirl: DamnYankees: randomjsa: So if I understand you correctly it simply would not be possible that he could just continue on there as a normal student without the pole vaulting.

Not if she's relying on the scholarship. That's what I'm saying.

To be clear, this is all hypothetical - Penn State wasn't punished in this way, yet.

If you have a scholarship, you keep it. RTFA


Yes, I know. And I'm glad for that. I was responding to someone who wanted the punishment to be the destruction of all sports at Penn State.
 
2012-07-23 10:49:51 AM  

hdhale: The students get punished because a major revenue stream for the institution will no longer be a major revenue stream.


Yawn. Too big to fail.

Honestly, PSU fans are still acting like they're the victims. That isn't really going to lower the intensity of the flames. If you're still complaining, you're providing a running justification that Penn State hasn't been punished enough.

The ironic thing is that the drowned-out murmurs of the athletic department itself (what's left of it, anyway) are more accepting of the penalties. I think they get it more than the idiots here.
 
2012-07-23 10:50:20 AM  

brobdiggy: Unintended Consequence:

*Meanwhile, at some other University*

"Holy crap! Look what the NCAA just dropped on Penn State! We'd better be extra careful now to cover up all of our legal indescretions. Delete all emails, burn all papers! Fix any 'leaks' by any means necessary! They have set a precedent now where they can punish us for any legal wrongdoing!"

Well, that might be a bit dramatic, but I'm still concerned it might give people an incentive to keep their mouth shut. What if someone sees a coach or administrator doing something illegal, but doesn't say anything about because they don't want to feel responsible for losing 4 years of scholarships and vacating 10+ years of wins?


Slippery slope logic. If you say something now instead of covering it up for 10+ years, you won't have to vacate 10+ years of wins. Pretty simple huh?
 
2012-07-23 10:50:23 AM  

R.A.Danny: This is the winner?


Done in one
 
2012-07-23 10:50:25 AM  

angryjd: The NCAA doesn't have half the authority to actually do what it is doing here,


It seems like the opposite of this is true.
 
2012-07-23 10:51:28 AM  
Despite my initial reaction, this thread has been more interesting than I would have expected. Learning things about NCAA.
 
2012-07-23 10:51:29 AM  

PlatinumDragon:
//you don't want to know what I'd do to Vatican City in my imagination


(Alyx Vance): "We don't go to Vatican City."
 
2012-07-23 10:51:38 AM  

AndreMA: I wonder how many innocent players whose careers the NCAA just harmed? How about just removing credit from Paterno for those wins, while allowing them to stand for the players, so as not to hurt their NFL recruitment prospects?

Talk about compounding the damage; I think the NCAA took a few too many hits to the head.


Will the players be allowed to transfer?

DNRTFA
 
2012-07-23 10:51:51 AM  

angryjd: Is there a reason for sanctions? No. Paterno is dead. Sandusky is in jail. The Penn State board of trustees has been replaced.


You mean like the guy they just put in that not only expected no sanctions, but actually an APOLOGY for the way Penn State had been treated?

The culture there is toxic, and they would do this again in a minute if they thought it would make them more competitive.
 
2012-07-23 10:51:55 AM  
dlp211:

Don't break the rules. Don't act like these 'kids' aren't informed of the rules and what is right and wrong. Besides are you really hurt by vacating wins? It's a symbolic gesture, and in this case will harm only one persons reputation, JoePa.

If you were a fan of a sports team, you'd already know the answer to the question.

But consider this...

"Bounty Gate". What if Roger Goodell issued his punishment to the Saints and tacked on that the Saints had to vacate wins from their Super Bowl Championship season, including the Super Bowl itself.

Sound just? Would you be as emotionally invested in the product in the future?
 
2012-07-23 10:51:58 AM  

amundb: Zombie Paterno must pay!

Reanimate him then kill him again!


That is what estates are for. He will be paying into the civil suits regardless of state of animation...
 
2012-07-23 10:52:04 AM  

brobdiggy: Unintended Consequence:

*Meanwhile, at some other University*

"Holy crap! Look what the NCAA just dropped on Penn State! We'd better be extra careful now to cover up all of our legal indescretions. Delete all emails, burn all papers! Fix any 'leaks' by any means necessary! They have set a precedent now where they can punish us for any legal wrongdoing!"

Well, that might be a bit dramatic, but I'm still concerned it might give people an incentive to keep their mouth shut. What if someone sees a coach or administrator doing something illegal, but doesn't say anything about because they don't want to feel responsible for losing 4 years of scholarships and vacating 10+ years of wins?


The penalties are for the cover up, not Sandusky's acts.

Had Penn State officials pursued the Sandusky situation diligently when it first occurred then I would imagine Penn State would have never received any kind of penalty at any point. That would have been just been a case of one person committing a criminal act, the administration and law enforcement investigating, leading that one person to jail. You know, what should have happened in the first place. Which is why it's still hard to believe supposedly smart people in the administration could ever possibly think that covering it up would be a good option.
 
2012-07-23 10:52:25 AM  

angryjd: Is there a reason for sanctions? No. Paterno is dead. Sandusky is in jail. The Penn State board of trustees has been replaced.

So why is the NCAA doing this? Because of the massive amount of skeletons in their own closet. Why not divert your attention from decades of Payola scandals and other corruption that is actually university wide in other schools by acting phony tough on a school who harbored a convicted child molester. There is easy
money in that.


It couldn't possibly be about sending a message to other universities and atheletics programs, that if you do this kind of crap for your legacy, that legacy will be destroyed.
 
2012-07-23 10:52:37 AM  

PlatinumDragon: From a redlit thread yesterday, some real meat for the "Joe Pa's image is still real to me" crowd - try this:

1) Offer all students and faculty transfers to other schools, with all costs covered by whatever PSU has in assets.

2) Raze the entire campus.

3) Salt the earth the campus once stood upon.

4) Put Joe Paterno's statue in the middle of this field of woe and let it stand there as a reminder to all other organizations of what will happen if a child rapist is allowed to operate under official protection.

/there you go psu apologists - enjoy your shiny over-the-top suggestion to lambaste
//you don't want to know what I'd do to Vatican City in my imagination


5) Ban football nation wide.
 
2012-07-23 10:52:43 AM  

angryjd: So why is the NCAA doing this? Because of the massive amount of skeletons in their own closet. Why not divert your attention from decades of Payola scandals and other corruption that is actually university wide in other schools by acting phony tough on a school who harbored a convicted child molester. There is easy money in that.


Wow, folks, these punishments are phony. Someone get the NCAA on the phone and tell them to come back with something real.
 
2012-07-23 10:52:45 AM  

dragonchild: Yawn. Too big to fail.

Honestly, PSU fans are still acting like they're the victims. That isn't really going to lower the intensity of the flames. If you're still complaining, you're providing a running justification that Penn State hasn't been punished enough.


THIS.
 
2012-07-23 10:53:04 AM  
I don't want to hear about what's fair and what's not fair to the PSU players. So much was done to protect the football program that a pedophile was allowed to roam free.

Don't talk to me about fair. Know what's not fair? Being sexually abused by someone you trust.
 
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