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2012-07-23 03:29:51 PM

sethstorm: The Penn State Rape Victim Card:

No Credit Limit
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No need to ever pay back
Free History Revision Service, courtesy of the NCAA.
Honored everywhere under threat of character assassination.

Backed by the Gospel of Freeh Guarantee.

Disclaimer: Will not undo effects of rape nor can be construed as justice.

/I dont honor the NCAA revised record
//Even FDR hasn't been revised this badly


Sethstorm:

Complete bloody idiot who values college football above basic human decency.
 
2012-07-23 03:31:05 PM

Pesky_Humans: I accidentally replied without a quote. I was originally referring to someone who said that there was no competitive advantage and therefore the NCAA was out of bounds. There absolutely was a competitive advantage and the punishment is appropriate.


NCAA used an ethical and moral clause to hand down sanctions, not competitive advantage. Ethics and morals are in the purview of the NCAA according to their charter so it really doesn't matter.
 
2012-07-23 03:31:37 PM

fonebone77: Pesky_Humans: I accidentally replied without a quote. I was originally referring to someone who said that there was no competitive advantage and therefore the NCAA was out of bounds. There absolutely was a competitive advantage and the punishment is appropriate.

What was the competitive advantage? I dont think the NCAA was out of bounds, but unless you are saying Sandusky gained magical coaching abilities by his misdeeds, i dont get it.


The point was made a few times earlier today. If people knew this crap was going on they, likely, would have a harder time attracting the top recruits. Which means they don't perform as well. Which means recruiting is ever tougher. Repeat.
 
2012-07-23 03:36:38 PM

Blame Hofmann: It's sad that some people are still talking about some "collateral damage"

Except that there is no justification for collateral damage unless your goal is to create more victims. It's like you had to nuke Happy Valley and then told Pittsburgh to STFU about the fallout.

The attempt to change Penn State will fail in the long run. Assassinating the character of those who don't accept the Gospel of Freeh and/or provide a non-negative assessment of Paterno will not help your case.
 
2012-07-23 03:37:13 PM
brobdiggy: Did Sandusky somehow give the team an onfield advantage such that the wins were illegitimate?
Hint: The answer is no.


Did Paterno look the other way and prioritize winning games over dealing with a rampant pedophile? Hint: the answer is 'yes'.

/that's why the wins were vacated
 
2012-07-23 03:39:00 PM

jekostas: sethstorm: The Penn State Rape Victim Card:

No Credit Limit
No Interest Rate
No need to ever pay back
Free History Revision Service, courtesy of the NCAA.
Honored everywhere under threat of character assassination.

Backed by the Gospel of Freeh Guarantee.

Disclaimer: Will not undo effects of rape nor can be construed as justice.

/I dont honor the NCAA revised record
//Even FDR hasn't been revised this badly

Sethstorm:

Complete bloody idiot who values college football above basic human decency.


Give the retard a break. He's claimed to be an Ohio State Buckeye fan.

He probably thinks Woody Hayes was a gentle man, and lives by Jim Tressel's honor code.
 
2012-07-23 03:41:34 PM
Personally, I think everyone in the Happy Valley should be put to death.
 
2012-07-23 03:41:38 PM

sethstorm: Blame Hofmann: It's sad that some people are still talking about some "collateral damage"

Except that there is no justification for collateral damage unless your goal is to create more victims. It's like you had to nuke Happy Valley and then told Pittsburgh to STFU about the fallout.

The attempt to change Penn State will fail in the long run. Assassinating the character of those who don't accept the Gospel of Freeh and/or provide a non-negative assessment of Paterno will not help your case.


Technically, this and the ACC move could actually get Pitt some good recruits

/they'll blow it
//by running the table and choking against Miami again
 
2012-07-23 03:41:40 PM

sethstorm: Assassinating the character of those who don't accept the Gospel of Free


Penn State accepts Freeh's findings.
 
2012-07-23 03:41:44 PM

sethstorm: Blame Hofmann: It's sad that some people are still talking about some "collateral damage"

Except that there is no justification for collateral damage unless your goal is to create more victims. It's like you had to nuke Happy Valley and then told Pittsburgh to STFU about the fallout.

The attempt to change Penn State will fail in the long run. Assassinating the character of those who don't accept the Gospel of Freeh and/or provide a non-negative assessment of Paterno will not help your case.


Well, bless your heart.
 
2012-07-23 03:43:03 PM

jekostas: Jekostas: Complete bloody idiot who values college football above basic human decency.

FTFY

No, I just draw the line at justice, and strictly justice. Not interested in the whole Scorched Universe idea that you're pushing. Nor interested in the whole "Victim Card" that lets people freely assassinate the character of critics.

Toss the grenade to get the person if you wish, but at least I'm not going to have to apologize to people who didnt even know what was going on. They weren't even "following orders".
 
2012-07-23 03:43:33 PM

jekostas: Sliding Carp:

Football scholarships are typically only good for one year at a time. Some of the less skilled players could see theirs yanked in favor of somebody better. Anybody know if football is allowed to split scholarships, like the non-revenue sports usually do?

PSU isn't allowed to do this. As stated in the NCAA ruling, all students currently on scholarship will continue to receive that scholarship as long as they meet their academic standards even if they don't play football.


Thanks. That's the way it SHOULD be for every athletic scholarship, everywhere. (with adjustments to the limits for players who can't play anymore)
 
2012-07-23 03:45:26 PM

sethstorm:
The attempt to change Penn State will fail in the long run. Assassinating the character of those who don't accept the Gospel of Freeh and/or provide a non-negative assessment of Paterno will not help your case.


Paterno was a piece of shiat who valued his own success and image so much that he protected a serial child rapist and facilitated the molestation of additional innocent children. And anyone who defends Paterno or honors him is also a piece of shiat.
 
2012-07-23 03:48:00 PM

WhyteRaven74: Comic Book Guy: If I knew I wouldn't have a chance in hell to make a bowl game, or didn't want the now-tainted reputation of PSU on me, I'd be sprinting for the door.

Well you aren't their incoming quarterback

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Stephen Bench. Why do I have a feeling that after college his last name might be his destiny?
 
2012-07-23 03:49:26 PM

32oz High Life: Personally, I think everyone in the Happy Valley should be put to death.


That would make it sad valley.
 
2012-07-23 03:52:18 PM

Great_Milenko: A question about the scholarships. If PSU has to reduce the number given, can other schools give more to balance things out? If the goal is to avoid punishing future students (who I think we can safely assume are innocent in all this) why leave 10 people out in the cold?


Aren't there around 120 Division 1A schools, each of which can award 85 scholarships? So, yeah out of the over 10,000 scholarships available there will now be 10 fewer. No, I don't think there will be any adjustment made for that.
 
2012-07-23 03:54:33 PM

G-Rot: /that's why the wins were vacated


That's also why such a revision to history will be ignored - outside of the community that wishes to attack the character of critics.

WhyteRaven74: Penn State accepts Freeh's findings.

Yet Paterno's family, the family of someone unjustly smeared, has a more reasonable response to the whole thing. He admitted to wrongdoing and paid the price with losing his job. Objecting to the collateral damage caused is a concern that must be raised - without the kneejerk response of character assassination as evidenced in this thread.

Penn State is largely accepting it to get rid of the rabid mob out there - where that and the statue removal are Danegeld. The mob responds like the Danes by asking for more. The only valid response is to stop the payments and to neutralize the mob.
 
2012-07-23 03:55:13 PM

Mercutio74: WhyteRaven74: Comic Book Guy: If I knew I wouldn't have a chance in hell to make a bowl game, or didn't want the now-tainted reputation of PSU on me, I'd be sprinting for the door.

Well you aren't their incoming quarterback

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Stephen Bench. Why do I have a feeling that after college his last name might be his destiny?


Also - assuming he's not an NFL guy - how will he survive the Internet search part of any hiring process. Who would hire him for any job more prestigious than Dairy Queen ice cream barista (outside of Happy Valley)?
 
2012-07-23 03:55:18 PM

wallywam1: Great_Milenko: A question about the scholarships. If PSU has to reduce the number given, can other schools give more to balance things out? If the goal is to avoid punishing future students (who I think we can safely assume are innocent in all this) why leave 10 people out in the cold?

Aren't there around 120 Division 1A schools, each of which can award 85 scholarships? So, yeah out of the over 10,000 scholarships available there will now be 10 fewer. No, I don't think there will be any adjustment made for that.


On ESPN they explained that Penn State would have 10 fewer "incoming" player scholarships each year, and that the total number of scholarships would be reduced from 85 to 65 each year.
 
2012-07-23 03:58:52 PM

mister aj: One man touches a kid in his special place, and that means that you can:

- Travel back in time, pretend some wins never happened
- Destroy an entire university
- Take away scholarships from people that need them
- Taint the reputations of the best of the student body, and possibly destroy their future football careers

Yup, that's justice.



Or just plain funny...
 
2012-07-23 03:59:22 PM
mister aj
One man touches a kid in his special place, and that means that you can:

One man touched a bunch of kids, was caught in the act, and his actions were covered up by his superiors.

- Travel back in time, pretend some wins never happened

Vacate the wins of a coach who placed more importance on winning farking football games than dealing with someone on his staff who was farking little boys.

- Destroy an entire university

If you think a University's existence is dependent on its football team you are farking retarded. Tell me, how are prospects looking for MIT's football program? Or Yale's? What about NYU?

- Take away scholarships from people that need them

No scholarships are being taken away from anyone. Future scholarships are, however, being reduced.

- Taint the reputations of the best of the student body, and possibly destroy their future football careers

The best of the student body? Really? No seriously, really?

Yup, that's justice.

Yes it is.

/Holy shiat you are farking stupid.
 
2012-07-23 04:01:03 PM

TheManofPA: Technically, this and the ACC move could actually get Pitt some good recruits


Or some freshmen/sophmores could move to Ohio State, where they can help build a similarly afflicted team. The upside is Ohio State's penalty is only one year, giving them time to prove themselves while screwing over another NCAA penalty.

Of course that requires them to have some brains and think about the long game before making the no-penalty transfer.

/Mark Emmert can go DIAF.
 
2012-07-23 04:01:55 PM

sethstorm: The Penn State Rape Victim Card:

No Credit Limit
No Interest Rate
No need to ever pay back
Free History Revision Service, courtesy of the NCAA.
Honored everywhere under threat of character assassination.

Backed by the Gospel of Freeh Guarantee.

Disclaimer: Will not undo effects of rape nor can be construed as justice.

/I dont honor the NCAA revised record
//Even FDR hasn't been revised this badly



Who'da thunk PSU fanboy rape apologists would enjoy crossover with The Tea Party.

Shocking.
 
2012-07-23 04:03:11 PM

Mercutio74: Pesky_Humans: Wrong. By covering up ongoing child rape, Penn State was allowed to continue to have a respected program that would continue to get top recruits and win more games.

The thing that absolutely shocks me is that if they really wanted to cover it up and not be total monsters, why not approach Sandusky pay him off with a nice "severance" package and "ask" him in exchange to pass off all involvement he had in Second Orifice, or whatever the program was called, to someone who wasn't a child rapist and tell him never to darken the university's door again?

Instead, they just let a known child molestor molest away as long as no one had to see it.



- He wasn't the only child rapist
- He knew/knows where the bodies are, so to speak
 
2012-07-23 04:04:34 PM

jst3p: If people knew this crap was going on they, likely, would have a harder time attracting the top recruits.


If people knew this was going on, Sandusky would've been in prison long ago, no one would have been in trouble but Sandusky, and they don't have a difficult time getting recruits because they've walked the walk even more on being "moral."
 
2012-07-23 04:06:03 PM

sethstorm: /Mark Emmert can go DIAF.


The NCAA had no choice but to limit the punishment here, considering that the floodgates are about to open as victims of other "untouchable" programs come forth in the months ahead. They can't set a precedent that would destroy their business later.
 
2012-07-23 04:06:47 PM

WhyteRaven74: Comic Book Guy: If I knew I wouldn't have a chance in hell to make a bowl game, or didn't want the now-tainted reputation of PSU on me, I'd be sprinting for the door.

Well you aren't their incoming quarterback

[sphotos-a.xx.fbcdn.net image 640x960]


and that is why the death penalty would have been nice. or at least lose 96 scholarships over 4 years. 40 over for 4 is basically the same punishment as a player cashing an agent's check.
 
2012-07-23 04:07:17 PM

G-Rot:
[character assassination removed]


Thanks for proving my point and his point.

mister aj: One man touches a kid in his special place, and that means that you can:

- Travel back in time, pretend some wins never happened
- Destroy an entire university
- Take away scholarships from people that need them
- Taint the reputations of the best of the student body, and possibly destroy their future football careers

Yup, that's justice.


Nope, it's the PSU Rape Victim Card. Those wins did happen, no matter what revisionism the NCAA applies to the PSU record.


/I dont condone rape
//I would report it
///I would ensure that it was prosecuted
////But I would not go for the late hit after the whistle.
 
2012-07-23 04:09:27 PM

WhyteRaven74: Well you aren't their incoming quarterback


That poor schmuck is in a rough spot.
 
2012-07-23 04:12:19 PM

IAmRight: jst3p: If people knew this crap was going on they, likely, would have a harder time attracting the top recruits.

If people knew this was going on, Sandusky would've been in prison long ago, no one would have been in trouble but Sandusky, and they don't have a difficult time getting recruits because they've walked the walk even more on being "moral."


And you don't think a child molestation scandal is going to affect recruiting?
 
2012-07-23 04:12:35 PM

kdawg7736: I can accept the other punishments but vacating the last 14 years is bs to me.


I'm glad they vacated wins. The Nittany Bears shouldn't hold records.
 
2012-07-23 04:12:55 PM

fireclown: That poor schmuck is in a rough spot.


Indeed he is. I hope he enjoys looking at the sky because he's going to spend his time in Beaver Stadium on his back after every play.
 
2012-07-23 04:13:29 PM

sethstorm: G-Rot:
[character assassination removed]


Thanks for proving my point and his point.

mister aj: One man touches a kid in his special place, and that means that you can:

- Travel back in time, pretend some wins never happened
- Destroy an entire university
- Take away scholarships from people that need them
- Taint the reputations of the best of the student body, and possibly destroy their future football careers

Yup, that's justice.

Nope, it's the PSU Rape Victim Card. Those wins did happen, no matter what revisionism the NCAA applies to the PSU record.


/I dont condone rape
//I would report it
///I would ensure that it was prosecuted
////But I would not go for the late hit after the whistle.


It's not character assassination if it is deserved. And in Paterno's case, the criticism and disgust is well deserved. He chose success and adulation as a result of winning a f*cking game over the welfare of little children. Paterno's failure to act honorably and to protect the kids helped create situations where innocent children were forced to swallow Sandusky's dick. The name Paterno should always be associated with the facilitation of child rape.
 
2012-07-23 04:14:29 PM

jst3p: And you don't think a child molestation scandal is going to affect recruiting?


Not as much as the scandal from covering it up for years will.
 
2012-07-23 04:15:01 PM

jst3p: And you don't think a child molestation scandal is going to affect recruiting?


Had it been dealt with when again, the initial report was made to police and state agencies in 1998, it would've had a temporary effect, but not nearly the effect that's taking place now. Especially with no social media, a very minimal 24-hour news cycle, etc. Would've been a big deal for an offseason or two, but would've gone away easily with good recruiters, talking about how they were moving past that and how it showed that they were invested in doing things the right way, which is why they got rid of him as soon as they found out.
 
2012-07-23 04:16:29 PM

wambu: Just so we're clear here, "Sandusky'd" means

[ ] NCAA touched Penn State's penis
[ ] Penn State touched NCAA's penis
[ ] Penn State got a beejer
[ ] Penn State gave a beejer
[ ] Penn State experienced Greek culture
[ ] other abstract expressions of pedophilia
[ ] subby did not know WTF he was talking about
[X] Penn State was protected from the just consequences of its actions because football


FTFY.
 
2012-07-23 04:17:10 PM

jst3p: And you don't think a child molestation scandal is going to affect recruiting?


Not if the Penn State fandom is any indication.
 
2012-07-23 04:17:29 PM

WhyteRaven74: jst3p: And you don't think a child molestation scandal is going to affect recruiting?

Not as much as the scandal from covering it up for years will.


IAmRight: Had it been dealt with when again, the initial report was made to police and state agencies in 1998, it would've had a temporary effect, but not nearly the effect that's taking place now.


Agreed but it would have had some effect, and by avoiding taking care of it early they avoided that effect and enjoyed some advantage.
 
2012-07-23 04:17:32 PM
sethstormThat's also why such a revision to history will be ignored

Only by the moronic inbred fanatics who place a football record above the fact that a coach allowed a rapist on his staff to continue his activities for years.

/seriously, you call it character assassination? There's no worthwhile character to assassinate.
//your football god was a pedophile enabler. The fact that you worship him so vehemently says a lot about you.
///clearly you approve of the cover-up, which makes you one of the lowest forms of human waste.
////Last words I will waste on an asshole like you.
 
2012-07-23 04:19:18 PM

fonebone77: Pesky_Humans: I accidentally replied without a quote. I was originally referring to someone who said that there was no competitive advantage and therefore the NCAA was out of bounds. There absolutely was a competitive advantage and the punishment is appropriate.

What was the competitive advantage? I dont think the NCAA was out of bounds, but unless you are saying Sandusky gained magical coaching abilities by his misdeeds, i dont get it.


The idea is that if you went back in time and outed the first incident of abuse when it occurred so that there was never a cover up or multiple victims the result would have been a fired Sandusky, obviously, and the football gods would have placed a curse on the school for not getting their sacrifices. Because that curse was never placed, they enjoyed a competitive advantage.
 
2012-07-23 04:20:53 PM

jst3p: Agreed but it would have had some effect, and by avoiding taking care of it early they avoided that effect and enjoyed some advantage.


However, Paterno could still be coaching had it been dealt with early (obviously I'm speculating that stress involved in the coverup plus loss of his apparent No. 1 reason to live contributed to his death with this statement) and therefore benefited more by turning him in.

Too bad no one involved had even so much as long-range vision, if not a heart. I expect football coaches to want to handle everything involving their staff in-house. I don't expect university presidents and ADs to allow them to do it, however.
 
2012-07-23 04:22:00 PM
Millennium

[X] Penn State was protected from the just consequences of its (in)actions because football


Not trying to be a grammar Nazi. It's just that the administration of Penn State, as well as Paterno, are that much more evil because they did nothing.

/actions are one thing. Inaction in the face of evil is equal to and enabling that evil.
 
2012-07-23 04:24:09 PM

sethstorm: ////But I would not go for the late hit after the whistle.


where's the late hit? the cover-up was just broken down last november and the investigation into what happened finish just weeks ago. so you're saying if a school covers up a crime for XX number of years it should not be punished for that cover up because it successfully covered up the crime? there's a reason they say the cover up is worse than the crime...

of course logic and you are not friends as you think the ncaa is out to get ohio state and meyer. reality is not your friend either...
 
2012-07-23 04:24:46 PM
As speculated in the other thread, I guess it is worthless now that they waited to break the Sandusky thing until right after the record was broken.

Since, I'm traveling and will miss it, a merry:
3-administrator Paterno-covered Sandusky rapedenza to all
 
2012-07-23 04:37:06 PM

bulldg4life: Eatin' Queer Fetuses for Jesus: Does Grambling count? I thought those records were in a special section at the back of the record book.

Everybody just counts 3/5ths of his wins


Awesome!
 
2012-07-23 04:37:07 PM
Let them keep the wins, rename the Ped State
 
2012-07-23 04:40:17 PM

consider this: I swear, some of you must be butthurt nerds that got picked on in college by football players.


j_twelve: Burn, Penn State. BURN.

Fark you and your horrific jock culture,


You guys should meet up sometime.
 
2012-07-23 04:41:30 PM
This whole WE ARE PENN STATE crap is what got them in trouble in the first place. Yeah come together as one, even if you see little kids getting molested don't report it if it hurts the team or school. Wonder how many of the students crying over the sanctions cried when the report first came out that their dear leader was a pedo protector? None I am assuming, and if they were it was because of the punishments not because of his actions. The way Penn State students are protecting Jo-Pa and crying about their punishment is a big problem and proves they haven't learned anything from this. They don't deserve a football team or any athletics in general.
 
2012-07-23 04:41:38 PM

phlatulence: Let them keep the wins, rename the Ped State


Or, give every fan the choice... Let Sandusky rape their child and if a majority comply, give back the wins. Everyone's happy, the fans get their winningest coach back and Sandusky gets some leisure time fun.

/Well, maybe the kids don't win, but seriously... a child's mental and physical health or football?... definitely football.
 
2012-07-23 04:47:15 PM
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I have to say I was expecting a longer bowl ban and absolutely not expecting the vacation of the wins.
It sounds like this guys thought long and hard and took the future of the school and students into consideration instead of just killing the program altogether, which they had every right to do.
I think that they did a good job at making the only loser here the past football coaching staff.
 
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