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2012-07-23 02:01:39 PM  

Owangotang: then doing nothing that will make the culture change is just incredibly transparent and sad


Having the team suck, and I mean badly, will change things.
 
2012-07-23 02:03:17 PM  

WhyteRaven74: And the Paterno family just released a statement. Yeah, they're not helping.


Really? Ugh. Why can't these people just stfu?
 
2012-07-23 02:04:12 PM  

WhyteRaven74: Owangotang: then doing nothing that will make the culture change is just incredibly transparent and sad

Having the team suck, and I mean badly, will change things.


I don't think it will. It will just reinforce the separation from the rest of the world that Happy Valley, via Joe Paterno, already engages in. They'll circle the wagons and the culture will continue overvaluing football. They simply should not be playing this Fall, period.
 
2012-07-23 02:04:17 PM  

WhyteRaven74: ongbok: they would still get top recruits just because the recruits know they will been seen on T.V.

Top recruits aren't going to want to be seen losing every Saturday.


If they are still getting top recruits because they get national T.V coverage, how will they be losing every Saturday? The fact that they get national T.V coverage and are a big school would have trumped the negative publicity from the scandal. That is why the NCAA made sure to ban them from national T.V. These players may hate what went on there, but trust me if playing at Penn State is going to help them get to the next level, they will over look their outrage.
 
2012-07-23 02:05:27 PM  
Subby forgot that Sarah Palin automatically becomes coach and Happy Valley is renamed "Mama Grizzly Oasis".
 
2012-07-23 02:05:34 PM  

Meatschool: WhyteRaven74: And the Paterno family just released a statement. Yeah, they're not helping.

Really? Ugh. Why can't these people just stfu?


to be fair shutting the fark up and keeping quite was sort of the problem.
 
2012-07-23 02:07:13 PM  

AliceBToklasLives: Can new students get into classes at this stage in the game? Can most "student-athletes" realistically afford to move quickly from, say, Pennsylvania to Virginia, let alone to California?


Classes? Its July. Doesn't school start in September or so? Yeah, I'm thinking it'll be easy for them to transfer. As an example, aren't most high school seniors that graduated a few months ago just now deciding which college they'll attend?
 
2012-07-23 02:07:14 PM  

ongbok: WhyteRaven74: ongbok: they would still get top recruits just because the recruits know they will been seen on T.V.

Top recruits aren't going to want to be seen losing every Saturday.

If they are still getting top recruits because they get national T.V coverage, how will they be losing every Saturday? The fact that they get national T.V coverage and are a big school would have trumped the negative publicity from the scandal. That is why the NCAA made sure to ban them from national T.V. These players may hate what went on there, but trust me if playing at Penn State is going to help them get to the next level, they will over look their outrage.


Are you sure there's a national tv ban here, because nobody else does.

/citation plz
 
2012-07-23 02:07:39 PM  
From the Paterno Family statement: How Sandusky was able to get away with his crimes for so long has yet to be fully understood, despite the claims and assertions of the Freeh report.

These people are farking delusional.
 
2012-07-23 02:07:52 PM  
this whole thing has made thing there is something seriously wrong with that area of the country. The students, alumni, Pedo apologists are complete idiots for still supporting Paterno after this. They were crying when their little football team won't be able to make it to the post-season for four years- pathetic. As for the argument "It doesn't effect anyone who is responsible so don't punish the team", um yeah that is the case FOR EVERY SINGLE NCAA punishment! Otherwise teams would just fire the head coach when they knew they were being investigated and say "you can't punish us because the guy who did it is gone". Get with it ped state and at least have one person from that school speak up and say that it is the right decision so you stop looking like absolute fools. It is really sad that they still don't get it. I really am starting to think that whole school should just be closed down.
 
2012-07-23 02:08:09 PM  

Owangotang: I don't think it will. It will just reinforce the separation from the rest of the world that Happy Valley, via Joe Paterno, already engages in. They'll circle the wagons and the culture will continue overvaluing football. They simply should not be playing this Fall, period.


And since the same culture exists at all BCS universities, all universities should be forced to stop playing, right?
 
2012-07-23 02:08:49 PM  

Meatschool: Really? Ugh. Why can't these people just stfu?


Cause, they're Penn State dontcha ya know?

Owangotang: They'll circle the wagons and the culture will continue overvaluing football.


It'll be hard to overvalue football when you're the doormat of the Big 10 and small conference teams are beating you by 5 touchdowns.
 
2012-07-23 02:09:26 PM  
Doh
"are you sure there's a national tv ban because no one else here seems to think there is"
 
2012-07-23 02:09:37 PM  

Endive Wombat: BMFPitt: Endive Wombat: Can someone please explain to a non-sports fan why this is important?

The bowl ban (and the loss of scholarships) basically means that the university will lose hundreds of millions of dollars, and the football program will probably never recover.

The vacated wins basically means nothing.

As long as current players are allowed to transfer without penalty, then I have no problem with this. They should have decided this earlier, though, to give those kids time.

I would imagine most of the star players will get gobbled up very quickly.


Gobbled up like a penis on a 10 year old boy on penn state's campus
 
2012-07-23 02:09:47 PM  

The My Little Pony Killer: From the Paterno Family statement: How Sandusky was able to get away with his crimes for so long has yet to be fully understood, despite the claims and assertions of the Freeh report.

These people are farking delusional.


yes they are. must be tough to come to terms with the fact that daddy/granddaddy dearest concealed and enabled a decade plus of kiddy rape.
 
2012-07-23 02:09:50 PM  

carnifex2005: Here's a pic of the PSU student union building as the punishment was announced.

[i.imgur.com image 600x400]

Really? I'm fanatical about football as much as the next person but this is really silly behaviour.


... please tell me that's not a real picture.

Please. I don't need this blow to my faith in humanity.
 
2012-07-23 02:09:57 PM  

The My Little Pony Killer: From the Paterno Family statement: How Sandusky was able to get away with his crimes for so long has yet to be fully understood, despite the claims and assertions of the Freeh report.

These people are farking delusional.


Starting to think Happy Valley has a chemical leak. Everyone that is up there and making statements that must make sense to them makes them look even more stupid to the rest of the country. What is going on up there? The HIlls have Eyes type thing?
 
2012-07-23 02:10:09 PM  

frtmn7: this whole thing has made thing there is something seriously wrong with that area of the country.


Keep telling yourself "Oh, it's that area of the country. It's THOSE people."
 
2012-07-23 02:12:46 PM  

Marine1: ... please tell me that's not a real picture.


It's real.
 
2012-07-23 02:13:40 PM  

mister aj: One man touches a kid in his special place, and that means that you can:

Yup, that's justice.


Yeah, pretty much.

Problem is, your summary has a couple of holes. One man touched no fewer than ten kids in a number of special places (and with a number of his own body parts) over a period of no less than 14 years, and that's just what has been proven beyond reasonable doubt in a court of law: new victims are still coming forward to this day. His boss decides to protect him because football. Said boss also abuses his status as a local culture hero to convince his bosses to protect him, ultimately because football. Said boss also abuses his status as a culture hero, such that the entire freaking town starts to turn on anyone who dares blow the whistle -some of them are still in witness protection, out of fear for their lives- all because, you guessed it, football.

- Travel back in time, pretend some wins never happened

I actually agree with you that they shouldn't have done this. It punishes past players who had nothing to do with this, for no reason other than to insult someone who isn't even alive to feel insulted.

- Destroy an entire university

No doubt Paterno cultivated this idea in the heads of a few admins, but it's a ridiculous notion. Penn State is not so bad a school that it would shrivel up and die without football. Even in the worst-case realistic scenario, the university and town would continue to run at the same levels they currently do during the off-season. If PSU were smart enough to hitch its wagon to some of its other athletic programs, the blow could be even softer.

- Take away scholarships from people that need them

Top-tier football players? Just you watch; within a week, every single one of them will be given even a better offer from some other Division I school than what Penn State was giving them. This has happened before.

- Taint the reputations of the best of the student body, and possibly destroy their future football careers

The only ones whose reputations will be tainted by this are the Paterno defenders, and they deserve that. But if there are Paterno defenders among them -and there probably are at least a couple- they've been wise enough not make complete arses out of themselves, and so this, too, will blow over.
 
2012-07-23 02:14:17 PM  

IAmRight: Owangotang: I don't think it will. It will just reinforce the separation from the rest of the world that Happy Valley, via Joe Paterno, already engages in. They'll circle the wagons and the culture will continue overvaluing football. They simply should not be playing this Fall, period.

And since the same culture exists at all BCS universities, all universities should be forced to stop playing, right?


yes football is overvalued at many universities. however, i would hope for the sake of humanity that the vast majority of football coaches would turn in rather than conceal and enable a kiddy rapist. it's not that sandusky was a monster, it's the fact that penn state conceal and enabled him for at least a decade. that's insane, oh and, farking wrong.
 
2012-07-23 02:14:25 PM  
I honestly think the NCAA was weak. I would have shuttered the Penn State athletic department until further notice.
 
2012-07-23 02:15:36 PM  

wambu: Just so we're clear here, "Sandusky'd" means

[ ] NCAA touched Penn State's penis
[ ] Penn State touched NCAA's penis
[ ] Penn State got a beejer
[ ] Penn State gave a beejer
[ ] Penn State experienced Greek culture
[ ] other abstract expressions of pedophilia
[ ] subby did not know WTF he was talking about


Here's a hint. It's mentioned in the movie Office Space. And millions of mid-westerners do it in groups.

/And it's not baiting minorities.
 
2012-07-23 02:17:39 PM  

WhyteRaven74: Owangotang: then doing nothing that will make the culture change is just incredibly transparent and sad

Having the team suck, and I mean badly, will change things.


No, actually, it won't. Red Sox fans stuck it out for almost 90 years, and Cubs fans are no slouch in this department either. All it takes is sufficient fan dedication, and the PSU fans have proven themselves nothing if not sufficiently dedicated. This will be nothing more than a bump in the road, and those fans who weather such "unfair treatment" will wear that like a badge of honor.
 
2012-07-23 02:17:41 PM  

Nana's Vibrator: carnifex2005: Here's a pic of the PSU student union building as the punishment was announced.

[i.imgur.com image 600x400]

Really? I'm fanatical about football as much as the next person but this is really silly behaviour.

This is a caption contest waiting to happen. My entry is not funny:
I base my entire identity on how well other people perform on a football field and am not a person without scholarships and bowl games.

/it reeks of that Shatner moment on SNL: get a life people
//former NCAA football player


And here's the video. What a pathetic bunch of humanity up in State College.
 
2012-07-23 02:17:46 PM  

WhyteRaven74: Owangotang: then doing nothing that will make the culture change is just incredibly transparent and sad

Having the team suck, and I mean badly, will change things.


I don't think they will suck that bad. Look at USC during their ban. They finished third in the conference on year and 6th in the nation the other. Sure the over/under for PSU is 6 1/2 games, but VA and Temple aren't great, Indy is always a win. They won't beat the top 3 but the other games might still be close.

In 2013, they open with Syracuse, Eastern Michigan, Kent State, VA, and Indy. With that cupcake lineup, there is probably still a 5 percent chance they could be undefeated heading into Michigan. In that case, I don't think the punishment is really going to change the culture if a 5-0 or 4-1 PSU team with a "Us against the world" mentality is hosting UM at home. It will be just as bad as before.
 
2012-07-23 02:18:01 PM  

wambu: Just so we're clear here, "Sandusky'd" means

[ ] NCAA touched Penn State's penis
[ ] Penn State touched NCAA's penis
[ ] Penn State got a beejer
[ ] Penn State gave a beejer
[ ] Penn State experienced Greek culture
[ ] other abstract expressions of pedophilia
[ ] subby did not know WTF he was talking about


You missed one:

[] NCAA Ass-raped Penn State

Unless you are Joe Paterno's ghost, in which case you might be arguing that that sort of thing just can't have happened, not possible, therefore, your long-time friend Sandusky couldn't have done anything worse than "tickle and slap" some kid while showing him how to lather up (*).

(*)What some Penn State defenders actually believe
 
2012-07-23 02:19:02 PM  

A Fark Handle: yes football is overvalued at many universities. however, i would hope for the sake of humanity that the vast majority of football coaches would turn in rather than conceal and enable a kiddy rapist. it's not that sandusky was a monster, it's the fact that penn state conceal and enabled him for at least a decade. that's insane, oh and, farking wrong.


I'm not the one making the claim that it's the value of the football program that was the cause of these events and therefore needs to be removed for everyone's safety. If someone is going to make that claim, and a powerful football program is the reason such events occur, AND getting rid of the people that actually did conceal a crime is not an appropriate penalty because it doesn't get rid of the "underlying cause," then why is it appropriate to allow the "underlying cause" to continue to exist? You seem to have an inability to string together cogent thoughts and understand what each statement being made implies.

Go read the thread and stop making different arguments to my illustrations of how people's bases for their impotent rage are ultimately ridiculous.
 
2012-07-23 02:19:12 PM  
>4 year bowl ban

So molesting kids is one year worse than Reggie Bush getting his parents out of the ghetto and into a nice house.

I see, NCAA.
 
2012-07-23 02:20:20 PM  
Er, two years. Still.
 
2012-07-23 02:20:38 PM  

TheManofPA: I don't think they will suck that bad. Look at USC during their ban. They finished third in the conference on year and 6th in the nation the other. Sure the over/under for PSU is 6 1/2 games, but VA and Temple aren't great, Indy is always a win. They won't beat the top 3 but the other games might still be close.


USC was a way better team in a way better location prior to and during the sanctions, however.
 
2012-07-23 02:22:32 PM  

IAmRight: A Fark Handle: yes football is overvalued at many universities. however, i would hope for the sake of humanity that the vast majority of football coaches would turn in rather than conceal and enable a kiddy rapist. it's not that sandusky was a monster, it's the fact that penn state conceal and enabled him for at least a decade. that's insane, oh and, farking wrong.

I'm not the one making the claim that it's the value of the football program that was the cause of these events and therefore needs to be removed for everyone's safety. If someone is going to make that claim, and a powerful football program is the reason such events occur, AND getting rid of the people that actually did conceal a crime is not an appropriate penalty because it doesn't get rid of the "underlying cause," then why is it appropriate to allow the "underlying cause" to continue to exist? You seem to have an inability to string together cogent thoughts and understand what each statement being made implies.

Go read the thread and stop making different arguments to my illustrations of how people's bases for their impotent rage are ultimately ridiculous.


www.wiichat.com
 
2012-07-23 02:22:34 PM  

IAmRight: Owangotang: I don't think it will. It will just reinforce the separation from the rest of the world that Happy Valley, via Joe Paterno, already engages in. They'll circle the wagons and the culture will continue overvaluing football. They simply should not be playing this Fall, period.

And since the same culture exists at all BCS universities, all universities should be forced to stop playing, right?


If an investigation into any other university shows similar institutional neglect leading to an ongoing child rape crisis then yes. Do you disagree?
 
2012-07-23 02:22:53 PM  
I love the bashing on the student body and the people on campus at PSU. Keep classy, folks.
 
2012-07-23 02:22:53 PM  

Elegy: ongbok: WhyteRaven74: ongbok: they would still get top recruits just because the recruits know they will been seen on T.V.

Top recruits aren't going to want to be seen losing every Saturday.

If they are still getting top recruits because they get national T.V coverage, how will they be losing every Saturday? The fact that they get national T.V coverage and are a big school would have trumped the negative publicity from the scandal. That is why the NCAA made sure to ban them from national T.V. These players may hate what went on there, but trust me if playing at Penn State is going to help them get to the next level, they will over look their outrage.

Are you sure there's a national tv ban here, because nobody else does.

/citation plz


Oh damn you are right, they did avoid a T.V ban. I though I heard they banned them from National broadcast games and were only going to allow them to be broadcast locally.
 
2012-07-23 02:24:53 PM  

TheManofPA: I don't think they will suck that bad. Look at USC during their ban


USC didn't destroy their entire reputation with what happened there. And was a much, I dare say vastly, better team than Penn State has been. I can't recall USC losing top tier recruits before the punishment was announced. Penn State has already lost at least 4 or 5, and these are 4 or 5 recruits who were ranked as among the 150 or so best prospects in the country. And that was before today. After today, such recruits aren't going to be interested.
 
2012-07-23 02:26:30 PM  

professorkowalski: I love the bashing on the student body and the people on campus at PSU. Keep classy, folks.


When the student body is more interested in defending an indefensible program, well they get what they have coming.
 
2012-07-23 02:29:22 PM  

Lt. Cheese Weasel: IAmRight:
[timetostopposting.jpg]


You can't stop IAmRight. You can only hope to contain him.
 
2012-07-23 02:30:10 PM  
Adam Taliaferro, a former player for Paterno who has since recovered from a spinal cord injury he suffered in a 2000 game, expressed frustration in a post on Twitter.

"NCAA says games didn't exist," tweeted Taliaferro, who was elected to Penn State's board of directors in May. "I got the metal plate in my neck to prove it did..I almost died playing 4 PSU..punishment or healing?!? #WeAre"


"NCAA says games Penn State said buttsecks didn't exist," tweeted Taliaferro, who was elected to Penn State's board of directors in May. "I got the metal plate in my neck Sandusky'd in the pooper to prove it did..I almost died playing 4 PSU I'm dead inside because I participated at a charitable organization #WeAre"
 
2012-07-23 02:30:12 PM  

topcon: Does anyone find it weird a sporting authority has the ability to dole out punishment like this? This is how seriously we take sports? A bunch of guys who regulate how people score in a football game punish an organization for child molestation.


No, the court punishes people for child molestation.

The sports sanctioning body punishes organizations that perform illegal actions to help protect their competitive edge, or participate in violating the integrity of the sport.
This wasn't about child molestation, this was about actively protecting a criminal and enabling criminal acts, as an institution, so as not to negatively affect the football programs income.
 
2012-07-23 02:31:40 PM  

IAmRight: Owangotang: I don't think it will. It will just reinforce the separation from the rest of the world that Happy Valley, via Joe Paterno, already engages in. They'll circle the wagons and the culture will continue overvaluing football. They simply should not be playing this Fall, period.

And since the same culture exists at all BCS universities, all universities should be forced to stop playing, right?


I know Mizzou isn't... a BCS school... actually, fark the BCS, we were totally deserving in 2007-2008. Fark kansas double for taking our spot at the Orange Bowl.

Anyways, Pinkel got caught drinking and driving last year. Arrested by the Boone County Sheriff. The school kicked him out for a game (which we won), and he lost a hefty amount of bonuses. Like $300,000. The state court system couldn't have punished him that heavily for the DUI charge.

Some schools are willing to carry a program with honor. Penn State didn't. Winning is meaningless if done without honor.
 
2012-07-23 02:32:02 PM  

WhyteRaven74: TheManofPA: I don't think they will suck that bad. Look at USC during their ban

USC didn't destroy their entire reputation with what happened there. And was a much, I dare say vastly, better team than Penn State has been. I can't recall USC losing top tier recruits before the punishment was announced. Penn State has already lost at least 4 or 5, and these are 4 or 5 recruits who were ranked as among the 150 or so best prospects in the country. And that was before today. After today, such recruits aren't going to be interested.


It was poorly worded on my end, I meant to say that USC showed it could be survived well. PSU won't pull that off, but unlike speculation yesterday, they aren't going to be hit so hard that they are FIU. Even with the dent to the reputation there are going to be players from the area that want to rebuild the place and those that simply stay because all of their friends are there. PSU will fall to middle of the Big 10, but not bottom out. My concern is if they do avoid bottoming out, they very well could start 4-1 or 5-0 in 2013 with that cupcake list.

/post invalid if max exodus of current players happens in next week
 
2012-07-23 02:32:45 PM  

CliChe Guevara: so as not to negatively affect the football programs income.


Because that's the only way it can be explained. It couldn't be explained ANY other, more logical way than "they were doing it for football."
 
2012-07-23 02:33:53 PM  

IAmRight: Go read the thread and stop making different arguments to my illustrations of how people's bases for their impotent rage are ultimately ridiculous.


yeah, i've read. you like thinking you're smart because you think "differently." way to be a contrarian. but, it turns out that being different doesn't make you intelligent. it doesn't make you unique. it does nothing but make you seem like a farking tard. no matter how much it may pain you to admit it, the football culture of penn state was the problem and reason for the decade long cover up. and yeah, you're right that there's danger that something similar could happen else where. not sure what we can do about that. i don't think the college football toothpaste is going back into the tube.
 
2012-07-23 02:34:05 PM  

WMCB: I don't understand eliminating scholarships. Why punish the students for their coaches' farkups?


It just means they can offer fewer of them, which means players getting out of high school now just go to other schools that do have them to offer.
What it really means is that if the school wants to stay competitive, they will offer them anyway out of the schools pocket, which in the end just means the NCAA isn't subsidizing attracting players to them anymore. Its small change relative to the rest of this stuff. i doubt any scholarships will go away.
 
2012-07-23 02:34:10 PM  
Winning isn't everything and when you make it eveything, you often end up with nothing. Enjoy watching those 5'7" defensive linemen.
 
2012-07-23 02:34:53 PM  

downstairs: AliceBToklasLives: Can new students get into classes at this stage in the game? Can most "student-athletes" realistically afford to move quickly from, say, Pennsylvania to Virginia, let alone to California?

Classes? Its July. Doesn't school start in September or so? Yeah, I'm thinking it'll be easy for them to transfer. As an example, aren't most high school seniors that graduated a few months ago just now deciding which college they'll attend?


Some schools start in the middle of August (long-ass winter break). I think most high school students decide where they're going in the spring - in some cases, the fall or even as juniors.
 
2012-07-23 02:35:30 PM  
Wrong. By covering up ongoing child rape, Penn State was allowed to continue to have a respected program that would continue to get top recruits and win more games.
 
2012-07-23 02:37:17 PM  
Sliding Carp: stir22: exactly. they haven't exactly been a powerhouse in a long time. they had to limp along to get paterno his wins. he won two nat'l championships in what, 46 years? a lot of schools would consider that a failure.

Three, actually, but Nixon stole one from him.


lulz. tricky dick!!
 
2012-07-23 02:37:43 PM  

randomjsa: This is not nearly enough. Erasing those wins is completely meaningless tripe designed purely and completely for fluff to make it seem like they "did something" to Paterno.

60 million in fines will not make every other school jump up to take notice.

The bowl bans might but not really.

If you want to send a message? Ban the school from playing sports completely for four years.


I gotta agree with this, especially after hearing about how Victim #1 was ostracized by the local populace after it was found out that he was going after Sandusky. Vacating the wins was just something to make the NCAA feel good about stomping on the Paterno legacy, and did absolutely fark-all to Penn State as an football program or institution. It didn't do anything to USC, nor Ohio State, and it's not going to do anything here.

I empathize with the local businesses who would be affected by a football shutdown, however after seeing the treatment of Victim #1 amid the possibility that the football would be disrupted, I'm quickly running out of farks to give.

60 million with a functioning football program is a chip shot. Between football revenues and alumni support (there will always be die-hards with disposable income), they'll get that back easily.

Costas was right, if they are still playing 'ball in September, something's very wrong.
 
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