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(Some Chick Fil A)   "Liberals claim to want to give a hearing to other views, but then are shocked and offended to discover that there are other views" - William F Buckley   (dennyburk.com) divider line 595
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2012-07-23 09:48:25 AM
They're anti-gay. By their own admission.

So don't be too f*cking surprised when gay people and their supporters won't eat at your restaurant.

And I don't particularly care to hear your goddam viewpoint, either.
 
2012-07-23 09:52:39 AM
Just because I'm willing to hear your other viewpoint and respect your right to have one, doesn't mean I think your viewpoint is valid or worth respecting. Go cry somewhere else.
 
2012-07-23 09:52:43 AM
In other news, dark age bigots who use religion to justify small-minded provinciality and cultural ignorance are surprised when others call them out on their idiocy.
 
2012-07-23 09:54:29 AM
You can give a hearing to other views and then point out that in order to have those views you have to be a disgusting morally bankrupt asshole who should be ignored.
 
2012-07-23 09:55:01 AM
"I don't hate gay people! I'm just supporting traditional families!" is a pretty stupid goddamn view.
 
2012-07-23 09:55:47 AM
I'm 100% okay with boycotting Chick-fil-A

But I'm horrified to agree with Buckley about what Mayor Menino said. It's actually not okay for the mayor of Boston to say that (essentially) any business that publically opposes gay marriage will not be allowed to open in the city.

To recap: private opposition to private corporation's political use of funds = great, public opposition to private corporation's political use of funds = censorship.
 
2012-07-23 09:57:49 AM
In today's climate, Buckley is a Liberal.
 
2012-07-23 09:58:36 AM
We're shocked and surprised that people have non-reality based views.
 
2012-07-23 10:00:21 AM
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2012-07-23 10:03:03 AM

exick: Just because I'm willing to hear your other viewpoint and respect your right to have one, doesn't mean I think your viewpoint is valid or worth respecting. Go cry somewhere else.


No shiat. I'm tired of the belief that liberals are granola-eating stupid dogs who will just roll over and bare their bellies to whoever walks by. We're not lumbering pacifists.
 
2012-07-23 10:03:14 AM
Do you see how this is going? You don't even have to mention homosexuality or gay marriage. All you have to say is that you are pro-family, and certain municipalities will exile your business. Welcome to the brave new world of tolerance.

Do you see how this is going? You don't even have to mention how much you hate the darkies. All you have to say is that you're pro-cultural stability, keeping whites with whites and coloreds with coloreds and that you're just worried about overcrowding schools. Welcome to the brave new world of tolerance.
 
2012-07-23 10:09:29 AM
I think we should all get outraged and post on Fark. THAT'LL SHOW 'EM!
 
2012-07-23 10:09:40 AM
Some other Buckley Jr. quotes:

"Even if one takes every reefer madness allegation of the prohibitionists at face value, marijuana prohibition has done far more harm to far more people than marijuana ever could."

"The Beatles are not merely awful. They are so unbelievably horrible, so appallingly unmusical, so dogmatically insensitive to the magic of the art, that they qualify as crowned heads of antimusic."

"A Conservative is a fellow who is standing athwart history yelling 'Stop!'"

"Some of my instincts are reprehensible."

"Conservatives should be adamant about the need for the reappearance of Judeo-Christianity in the public square."

"Conservatives pride themselves on resisting change, which is as it should be. But intelligent deference to tradition and stability can evolve into intellectual sloth and moral fanaticism, as when conservatives simply decline to look up from dogma because the effort to raise their heads and reconsider is too great."

And so farking what Subtard?
 
2012-07-23 10:13:34 AM

Rincewind53: But I'm horrified to agree with Buckley about what Mayor Menino said. It's actually not okay for the mayor of Boston to say that (essentially) any business that publically opposes gay marriage will not be allowed to open in the city.


Nope. F*ck Chick-fil-A, f*ck their leadership, f*ck their morals, f*ck their backwards-ass "philanthropy" and f*ck their stupid name. I will legally prevent the opening of such businesses wherever it is under my power to do so.

Right now that's nowhere but my own car, but you get the idea.
 
2012-07-23 10:14:42 AM
Do you see how this is going? You don't even have to mention homosexuality or gay marriage. All you have to say is that you are pro-family, and certain municipalities will exile your business. Welcome to the brave new world of tolerance.

Maybe stop equating "pro-family" with "anti-gay", then.

You're intolerant of my intolerance!
 
2012-07-23 10:15:29 AM
We're not offended that there are other views on this issue. We're offended by the other view.
 
2012-07-23 10:15:59 AM

Dusk-You-n-Me: You're intolerant of my intolerance!


They're intolerant of your intolerance of their intolerance.
 
2012-07-23 10:16:50 AM

DamnYankees: We're not offended that there are other views on this issue. We're offended by the other view.


I'm offended by the very notion that there are human beings who think that other stupid view actually has merit and should be seriously argued for.
 
2012-07-23 10:17:37 AM
Freedom to speak is not freedom from criticism. I'm sorry that being a bigot has repercussions for you but you'll get over it.
 
2012-07-23 10:19:48 AM

Rincewind53: But I'm horrified to agree with Buckley about what Mayor Menino said. It's actually not okay for the mayor of Boston to say that (essentially) any business that publically opposes gay marriage will not be allowed to open in the city.


I wouldn't say I'm *horrified*, but I didn't love what he said. It's not the place of the government to do that.
 
2012-07-23 10:24:15 AM

kingoomieiii: Rincewind53: But I'm horrified to agree with Buckley about what Mayor Menino said. It's actually not okay for the mayor of Boston to say that (essentially) any business that publically opposes gay marriage will not be allowed to open in the city.

Nope. F*ck Chick-fil-A, f*ck their leadership, f*ck their morals, f*ck their backwards-ass "philanthropy" and f*ck their stupid name. I will legally prevent the opening of such businesses wherever it is under my power to do so.

Right now that's nowhere but my own car, but you get the idea.


Thankfully you are not a government agency. As I said, f*ck Chick-fil-A, and I hope the boycott works. I'm just completely against a mayor of a big city like Boston saying he's going to ban businesses because of their political views.
 
2012-07-23 10:26:40 AM

DamnYankees: Rincewind53: But I'm horrified to agree with Buckley about what Mayor Menino said. It's actually not okay for the mayor of Boston to say that (essentially) any business that publically opposes gay marriage will not be allowed to open in the city.

I wouldn't say I'm *horrified*, but I didn't love what he said. It's not the place of the government to do that.


If the electorate doesn't like it, they'll vote the mayor out. You'll notice that, just like the "ground zero mosque", the protest is all from people who would otherwise never set foot in that dirty bastion of liberalism anyway.

I'm sure at least one person will seriously ask "But what about Chick-fil-A's vote?", to which the correct response is "Get out".
 
2012-07-23 10:31:19 AM
It's getting so a man can't even be an awful human being and hide his bigotry behind words any more.
 
2012-07-23 10:35:22 AM

kingoomieiii:
If the electorate doesn't like it, they'll vote the mayor out. You'll notice that, just like the "ground zero mosque", the protest is all from people who would otherwise never set foot in that dirty bastion of liberalism anyway.

I'm sure at least one person will seriously ask "But what about Chick-fil-A's vote?", to which the correct response is "Get out".


I oppose Menino's statement for the same reason I'd oppose a Southern mayor saying that stores in town should be forced to stop selling Nabisco products because Oreo came out in favor of gay marriage. The government does not get to do that sort of thing.
 
2012-07-23 10:40:05 AM
Chik Fil a is entitled to their views and opinions and that is fine, if they want to give money to anti-gay groups, go ahead.

And I won't eat there.
 
2012-07-23 10:46:17 AM
Because conservatives are so open minded.
 
2012-07-23 10:48:00 AM

Adjective Bird Whiskey: It's getting so a man can't even be an awful human being and hide his bigotry behind words any more.


Remember the good old days?
 
2012-07-23 10:51:57 AM
Tolerance for other viewpoints gets a little iffy when one side is actively lobbying for the reduction of minority rights.
 
2012-07-23 10:52:50 AM
Conservatives nauseate and offend with their vile hate but piss and moan when held to account. Freedom without accountability is nihilism.
 
2012-07-23 10:53:02 AM
No, we're shocked when those views turn out to be sociopathic. Actually, we aren't even really shocked by that anymore.
 
2012-07-23 10:53:34 AM
Why all the hate? I saw Mr. Cathy on Huckabee. Seemed like a nice old man.
 
2012-07-23 10:58:20 AM
WFB was one of the few, and probably one of the last, truly class acts in U.S. political discourse on any side of the spectrum, agree or disagree with him.

Chik-fil-a and its owner have the right to espouse any ideas they want.

We have a right to ridicule and criticize them for it, boycott and generally lambast them for it. Or agree with them as the case may be.

From what I have seen, they do not discriminate regarding their customers. I do not see, in that article, whether there is any discrimination in who run their franchises or stores. (Are they franchises or company owned?)

Personally, I will not purchase from them, but that is my choice.

However, this, from a government official, is wrong:
" Mayor Thomas Menino in his own words:

Chick-fil-A doesn't belong in Boston. You can't have a business in the city of Boston that discriminates against a population. We're an open city, we're a city that's at the forefront of inclusion. That's the Freedom Trail. That's where it all started right here. And we're not going to have a company, Chick-fil-A or whatever the hell the name is, on our Freedom Trail... If they need licenses in the city, it will be very difficult - unless they open up their policies."

So they are an open city, except for those they disagree with.

That is a violation of the First Amendment, (at the least), to say that you will keep a private business out of your city based on that business views. It is one thing to not give taxpayer money to discriminatory businesses, it is another to ban them when they are abiding by the law.

Not funding the Boy Scouts with tax dollars, because they claim to be a religious group that denies entry to gays and atheists is OK. You should not be giving money from taxpayers to a group that discriminates against those same taxpayers. If Boston want to not give city contracts to Chick-fil-a that would be probably be justified as well, depending on the companies actual policies.

But banning them from the city would be wrong, as is this.

I see no difference between banning Chick-fil-a based on the views of the owner than banning businesses known for liberal viewpoints, like Barnes and Noble, American Apparel, Apple, etc.

Let the customers decide.
 
2012-07-23 10:58:20 AM
lol "Irony" okay Alanis
 
2012-07-23 11:00:31 AM

tomWright: Let the customers decide.


That about sums it up. It's not up to politicians to decide. They don't discriminate on hiring practices or in serving customers. They have a right to freedom of speech and freedom of religion. If you don't like it, don't eat there....
 
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2012-07-23 11:01:57 AM
Well, I am kind of offended that there are views on whether people who are different from you should exist or have rights, so I guess he's right in a way.
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2012-07-23 11:03:24 AM

flaEsq: Conservatives nauseate and offend with their vile hate but piss and moan when held to account.


There's accountability in the open market. But when Boston's mayor says they don't have a right to open a business in his city, that goes too far. That is not very tolerant.

The bottom line is if the company doesn't discriminate in hiring practices or serving customers, then the government has no business telling them they can or can't operate a business.
 
2012-07-23 11:18:43 AM
Liberals have hardly cornered that market.
 
2012-07-23 11:20:38 AM

slayer199: tomWright: Let the customers decide.

That about sums it up. It's not up to politicians to decide. They don't discriminate on hiring practices or in serving customers. They have a right to freedom of speech and freedom of religion. If you don't like it, don't eat there....


Businesses have religions?
 
2012-07-23 11:21:30 AM
Pro-Family =/= operate on biblical principles
 
2012-07-23 11:22:11 AM
If you hold bigoted views, you will be called a bigot.

Film at 11
 
2012-07-23 11:22:37 AM
How dare you not tolerate my intolerance!

How dare you not tolerate my intolerance!

How dare you not tolerate my intolerance!

/I'm so sick of this argument.
 
2012-07-23 11:23:36 AM
"I am not a member of any organized political party. I am a Democrat."
--Will Rogers
 
2012-07-23 11:24:21 AM

Esc7: How dare you not tolerate my intolerance!

How dare you not tolerate my intolerance!

How dare you not tolerate my intolerance!

/I'm so sick of this argument.


How dare you not tolerate my intolerance and my efforts to enforce my intolerance through the laws!
 
2012-07-23 11:24:26 AM
So let me get this straight - banning the construction of a Mosque is OMG TEH FASCIST HITLER RACIST NAZIS!! but banning the construction of a Chick-Fil-A for its Christian beliefs is A-OK!

/just want to make sure that I only seize the property rights of the wrong kind of white people to comply with the tolerance police
 
2012-07-23 11:24:29 AM
Hey tard, if people want to suggest boycotting a bigoted business that's just the free market in action. You don't get to be a bigot and have no repercussions.
 
2012-07-23 11:25:14 AM
I was totally with them, right up until the first sentence.

We are very much supportive of the family - the biblical definition of the family unit.

Smite them.
 
2012-07-23 11:25:52 AM

Philip Francis Queeg: Businesses have religions?


Owner does...and he expressed those beliefs which led to the uproar.
 
2012-07-23 11:26:08 AM

Philip Francis Queeg: slayer199: tomWright: Let the customers decide.

That about sums it up. It's not up to politicians to decide. They don't discriminate on hiring practices or in serving customers. They have a right to freedom of speech and freedom of religion. If you don't like it, don't eat there....

Businesses have religions?


Religions are people, my friend.
 
2012-07-23 11:26:13 AM
Conservatives think the 1st Amendment means that nobody is allowed to criticize them.
 
2012-07-23 11:26:40 AM

Esc7: How dare you not tolerate my intolerance!

How dare you not tolerate my intolerance!

How dare you not tolerate my intolerance!

/I'm so sick of this argument.


It is a valid argument and honestly I have no issues with people who hold bigotted beliefs. What I do take issue with is that one of the two major political parties have lionized hate speech and discriminitory policies. A lot of people are douchebags, but that doesn't mean that we should all live our lives through their narrow views.
 
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