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(The Day)   Residents find out the hard way that if someone has the rights to something but seldom uses it, and you use it daily, you are SOL when they want to start using it again   (theday.com) divider line 55
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2012-07-23 10:10:17 AM
I thought this article was going to be about patent trolls.
 
2012-07-23 10:12:02 AM

Fluorescent Testicle: I thought this article was going to be about patent trolls.


I was thinking another Detroit community garden article.
 
2012-07-23 10:13:24 AM

RogermcAllen: Fluorescent Testicle: I thought this article was going to be about patent trolls.

I was thinking another Detroit community garden article.


I assumed it was a vacant lot with a community garden on it.
 
2012-07-23 10:13:58 AM

Fluorescent Testicle: I thought this article was going to be about patent trolls.


or squatters...

Since 0bama took over homeland security, it has gotten out of control.

On the plus side, that $300 people will need to spend will stimulate the economy.
 
2012-07-23 10:14:53 AM
Sondra Tuchman used to open her garage door from halfway down the block. Now she has to get out of her car, stand in front of the door and press the remote. Sometimes she gives up and just walks through a side door.

Life is horrifying.
 
2012-07-23 10:14:55 AM
Coming soon to theatres near you! The Pooper

"Poop is coming out!"

"I didn't say that this film is the real shiat. I said it was real shiat! I'm coming back from the grave to warn people against this movie and I'm bringing Siskel with me!"--Ebert
 
2012-07-23 10:15:59 AM
The company should fix this for all of their customers. They sold a product that was designed to use RF Frequencies that are designated for the Navy. That strikes me as an intentional design flaw.
 
2012-07-23 10:16:16 AM
Sondra Tuchman can no longer open her garage door a half mile away. Sometimes Sondra has to stand in front of her car to make it open. Other times 'she has to give up and walk through a side door!'

I feel her pain. Last month the battery in my car door unlocker went dead. I had to walk to the door, insert the key, then turn it. Like some kind of goddamn animal! I feel Sondra Tuchman's pain!
 
2012-07-23 10:16:47 AM
Hows that unregulated, free market working for you?

SUCKERS! You should know what bands are restricted airwaves!
 
2012-07-23 10:17:07 AM
Wait wait! I can do better! It's time for CSB!

Seymour Johnson Air Force Base.

Situation: Hey we built our neighborhood close to an air force base and in the path of its flight line. We should demand they move the flight line and try to take them to court over it because its disturbing us.

Yes, the AFB was there first. The judge basically told the neighborhood to suck it.
 
2012-07-23 10:17:15 AM

brantgoose: Coming soon to theatres near you! The Pooper

"Poop is coming out!"

"I didn't say that this film is the real shiat. I said it was real reel shiat! I'm coming back from the grave to warn people against this movie and I'm bringing Siskel with me!"--Ebert


/why waste a good pun
 
2012-07-23 10:17:31 AM
Step 1: pilfer underutilized bandwidth (unknown to customer) for your garage door operation
Step 2: when customer confronts you about your unlicensed transmitters and receiver, claim "national security".
Step 3: profit!

/extra points for using a photoshopped Uncle Sam on your company's website
 
2012-07-23 10:18:01 AM
I hear that's how they got bin laden. They kept making his garage door go up and down by overriding the frequency, and when he came out to see what was going on they shot him
 
2012-07-23 10:20:47 AM

brantgoose: Coming soon to theatres near you! The Pooper

"Poop is coming out!"

"I didn't say that this film is the real shiat. I said it was real shiat! I'm coming back from the grave to warn people against this movie and I'm bringing Siskel with me!"--Ebert


Wrong thread, Poopsmith.

/also assumed this would be about a land owner's right of way or such.
 
2012-07-23 10:22:41 AM
There's a dildo that opens and closes garage doors within the block (gotta be true, it was on the internet).

In unrelated news, Overhead Door changes its name to Overhead Dildo.
 
2012-07-23 10:22:54 AM
Can this couple be any more Jewish? Just from the photo you can tell the old man is thinking "Every time we go out to eat she sends the food back, what shiat is she complaining about now?" The article says the base commander only received two complaints. Wonder who that was?
 
2012-07-23 10:34:40 AM
They're probably lucky that the bandwidth was reserved but not designated exclusively for military use, or their complaint could have been "upgraded" to interfering with US Military communications.
 
2012-07-23 10:34:49 AM
Sandra Tuchman? Sounds skanky
 
2012-07-23 10:36:05 AM

IBelieveYouHaveMyStapler: Can this couple be any more Jewish? Just from the photo you can tell the old man is thinking "Every time we go out to eat she sends the food back, what shiat is she complaining about now?" The article says the base commander only received two complaints. Wonder who that was?


with that surname they probably are, but there is a huge Italian contingent in the area as well. They'd also fit that description.
 
2012-07-23 10:36:21 AM
Wtf kind of newspaper chooses to run a story about one victim whose biggest problem is that the garage door opener doesn't work from inside her car?
Also, why can't she just unroll the window and stick her arm out?
 
2012-07-23 10:36:22 AM
Did they read the fine print on it?

This device complies with part 15 of the FCC rules. Operation is subject to the following two conditions: (1) this device may not cause harmful interference, and (2) this device must accept any interference received, including interference that may cause undesired operation.
 
2012-07-23 10:36:35 AM

randomjsa: Wait wait! I can do better! It's time for CSB!

Seymour Johnson Air Force Base.

Situation: Hey we built our neighborhood close to an air force base and in the path of its flight line. We should demand they move the flight line and try to take them to court over it because its disturbing us.

Yes, the AFB was there first. The judge basically told the neighborhood to suck it.


He should have charged them all court costs and reported the attorney to the state bar.
 
2012-07-23 10:36:42 AM
Just another sign of Obama's military over-reach encroaching on the free market.
 
2012-07-23 10:37:41 AM
Pro tip - the Overhead Door Company does good stuff, but garage door openers are a lot less than $300. You can also get retrofit kits that emulate hitting the button.
 
2012-07-23 10:41:14 AM
I was thinking either
1) a right-of-way issue,
2) an issue of someone having a garden space (or similar) on their property and either fenced the area or razed it to put in a shed of some sort, or
3) a cemetery decided to use their own land for burials instead of allowing it to continue to be an area that the locals had designated as a public park/picnic area.

Reminds me of a town I used to live in. It appears that the more affluent folks decided to build on property that backed up to property that had hog houses built on it. Everything was fine until the wind shifted in the summer. The sued the farmer and lost, even having to pay for the farmer's legal costs.
 
2012-07-23 10:43:04 AM

TheGreatGazoo: Pro tip - the Overhead Door Company does good stuff, but garage door openers are a lot less than $300. You can also get retrofit kits that emulate hitting the button.


$300 would be a bit much even for a whole new motor/receiver kit, when all you should have to do is replace a circuit.

The remotes are cheap though, when I asked for extras with my new doors they were like, here take as many as you want.
 
2012-07-23 10:43:51 AM
I could have sworn this article would have been about adverse possession.

47 C.F.R. 15.5 contains a general provision that devices may not cause interference and must accept interference from other sources. It also prohibits the operation of devices once the operator is notified by the FCC that the device is causing interference

This is why they are up shiat creek without a paddle. This is why they print these notices on the sides of baby monitors and garage door openers.

Buy new ones, ones that don't operate at that frequency.

No, it's not the vendor's fault, the device manufacturer's fault, nor the Navy's fault.
 
2012-07-23 10:45:25 AM

The Irresponsible Captain: Did they read the fine print on it?

This device complies with part 15 of the FCC rules. Operation is subject to the following two conditions: (1) this device may not cause harmful interference, and (2) this device must accept any interference received, including interference that may cause undesired operation.


Came here for this. Every wireless device that's been legally sold in the US for the past few dozen years has had this in pretty clear print somewhere on the device or manual. Pretty much means "if it stops working because of outside frequencies you have no right to biatch."
 
2012-07-23 10:45:59 AM

TheHappTroll: RogermcAllen: Fluorescent Testicle: I thought this article was going to be about patent trolls.

I was thinking another Detroit community garden article.

I assumed it was a vacant lot with a community garden on it.


Actually, in this case, whoever's been maintaining the land over the years can actually turn around and sue on the grounds of de facto ownership. Doesn't always work but I've seen it happen.

But yeah, came here expecting this. Not exactly leaving disappointed, just a little confused at the choice of headline.
 
2012-07-23 10:46:52 AM

randomjsa: Wait wait! I can do better! It's time for CSB!

Seymour Johnson Air Force Base.

Situation: Hey we built our neighborhood close to an air force base and in the path of its flight line. We should demand they move the flight line and try to take them to court over it because its disturbing us.

Yes, the AFB was there first. The judge basically told the neighborhood to suck it.


Wait a sec. Back up...
Seymour Johnson?
 
2012-07-23 10:50:07 AM

randomjsa: Wait wait! I can do better! It's time for CSB!

Seymour Johnson Air Force Base.

Situation: Hey we built our neighborhood close to an air force base and in the path of its flight line. We should demand they move the flight line and try to take them to court over it because its disturbing us.

Yes, the AFB was there first. The judge basically told the neighborhood to suck it.


Same thing happened to MCAS Cherry Point and MCALF Bogue. For years the locals basically ignored the jets and helicopters, considering them to be part of the scenery.

However, military retirees started flooding into the area to take advantage of the inexpensive housing and the proximity of the base amenities (PX, Naval Hospital, etc) and, man, you would have thought someone shot their dog when then started complaining about the aircraft noise. Luckily, judge Terrence Boyle told 'em to take a running jump. I think he was the same judge in the Seymour-Johnson case (he's federal district for eastern NC).
 
2012-07-23 10:57:55 AM
Shockingly, the headline is not doing a very good job at explaining the problem.
 
2012-07-23 11:05:08 AM

ajt167: randomjsa: Wait wait! I can do better! It's time for CSB!

Seymour Johnson Air Force Base.

Situation: Hey we built our neighborhood close to an air force base and in the path of its flight line. We should demand they move the flight line and try to take them to court over it because its disturbing us.

Yes, the AFB was there first. The judge basically told the neighborhood to suck it.

Wait a sec. Back up...
Seymour Johnson?


It's a radar tracking base...
reggiestake.files.wordpress.com
 
2012-07-23 11:05:57 AM

TyrantII: Hows that unregulated, free market working for you?

SUCKERS! You should know what bands are restricted airwaves!


Yeah!!! The government is the only entity that can be trusted to perform the sensitive job of manufacturing garage door openers! I am furious! And retarded!
 
2012-07-23 11:10:36 AM
34 posts and we have one blaming capitalism and our supposedly "unregulated" free market economy and two blaming Obama.

Well done fark.
 
2012-07-23 11:11:47 AM
You got to read that little sticker on all electronics sold. They cannot cause any interference and have to accept all interference.

End user is hosed.
 
2012-07-23 11:14:14 AM

TheGreatGazoo: Pro tip - the Overhead Door Company does good stuff, but garage door openers are a lot less than $300. You can also get retrofit kits that emulate hitting the button.


Damn, a local contractor could go door to door (leaving flyers) and offering to fix this for the low low price of $150. Dude would be able to bang out an entire streets work in less than a week.
 
2012-07-23 11:20:23 AM
www.wearysloth.com

Not related...
 
2012-07-23 11:26:56 AM

BitwiseShift: There's a dildo that opens and closes garage doors within the block (gotta be true, it was on the internet).

In unrelated news, Overhead Door changes its name to Overhead Dildo.


bbsimg.ngfiles.com
 
2012-07-23 11:28:12 AM
Reading reviews of Genie GIRUD-1T (a replacement fix for this that mimics 'pressing the button inside'), I saw this in a review:

"The day after I installed this due to military radio interference, there was an article in our local newspaper that you can just coil up some single strand speaker wire and connect it to the antenna on the receiver to strengthen your remote connection. I have known several who did this successfully. As far as the product, it was easy to install and works great. "

So I can install speaker wire and charge people $100? THIS IS A REAL MONEY MAKING OPPORTUNITY!!!
 
2012-07-23 11:30:40 AM

clivecusslerfan: The sued the farmer and lost, even having to pay for the farmer's legal costs.


Sometimes... the world is an okay place.
 
2012-07-23 11:37:47 AM
"A manager at the company told a reporter that replacing the equipment is "not our responsibility" because "it all has to do with homeland security.""

Actually, if you sold a product that was using restricted frequencies then it is your responsibility to fix the problem.
 
TWX
2012-07-23 11:47:51 AM

zarberg: The Irresponsible Captain: Did they read the fine print on it?

This device complies with part 15 of the FCC rules. Operation is subject to the following two conditions: (1) this device may not cause harmful interference, and (2) this device must accept any interference received, including interference that may cause undesired operation.

Came here for this. Every wireless device that's been legally sold in the US for the past few dozen years has had this in pretty clear print somewhere on the device or manual. Pretty much means "if it stops working because of outside frequencies you have no right to biatch."


That's funny, none of my Ham Radio gear has that printed on it...
 
2012-07-23 12:10:32 PM
"In response to the increased needs of homeland security, the Department of Defense now must make more use of these frequencies to deploy new mobile radio systems on and around certain military bases," the Federal Communications Commission said in a public notice. "Some consumers near these bases may experience interference to their garage door openers that can reduce operating range or cause the remote control to cease functioning."

THE TERRORISTS HAVE WON
 
2012-07-23 12:30:07 PM
It sounds like the garage door company sold illegal devices.

Class action lawsuit time.
 
2012-07-23 12:56:51 PM

mekkab: Reading reviews of Genie GIRUD-1T (a replacement fix for this that mimics 'pressing the button inside'), I saw this in a review:

"The day after I installed this due to military radio interference, there was an article in our local newspaper that you can just coil up some single strand speaker wire and connect it to the antenna on the receiver to strengthen your remote connection. I have known several who did this successfully. As far as the product, it was easy to install and works great. "

So I can install speaker wire and charge people $100? THIS IS A REAL MONEY MAKING OPPORTUNITY!!!


That doesn't make any sense, why would increasing the receiver sensitivity fix a problem with the transmitter being overpowered by outside noise?
 
2012-07-23 01:11:11 PM

Mock26: "A manager at the company told a reporter that replacing the equipment is "not our responsibility" because "it all has to do with homeland security.""

Actually, if you sold a product that was using restricted frequencies then it is your responsibility to fix the problem.



Beyond that, it's just a really dickish move. C'mon, it could give your business a lot of good press by just paying the necessary upgrades for customers having this problem. And as HellRaisingHoosier noted, it could avoid a lawsuit in the end.
 
2012-07-23 02:05:27 PM
1:primary user is the military secondary user has to "suck it"
2:longer antenna will catch more of the offending signal
3:maybe try a directional antenna
 
2012-07-23 02:10:52 PM

TWX: zarberg: The Irresponsible Captain: Did they read the fine print on it?

This device complies with part 15 of the FCC rules. Operation is subject to the following two conditions: (1) this device may not cause harmful interference, and (2) this device must accept any interference received, including interference that may cause undesired operation.

Came here for this. Every wireless device that's been legally sold in the US for the past few dozen years has had this in pretty clear print somewhere on the device or manual. Pretty much means "if it stops working because of outside frequencies you have no right to biatch."

That's funny, none of my Ham Radio gear has that printed on it...


Have anything on your test regarding generating interference or other traffic on frequencies that you are or are not licensed to use?
 
2012-07-23 02:32:06 PM
Something about this seems fishy. Frequency usage is highly regulated, so either the FCC farked up and let the garage door manufacturer use frequencies reserved for the navy, or the navy is using frequencies it shouldn't be using, or else there is some overlap. I guess overlap is what's happening (because the other two cases would surely have been mentioned in TFA, I would hope).

So is that really how it works? Does the FCC really tell manufacturers they can use X frequency at the same time allowing the military to use X frequency, and when the inevitable problem arise that's just tough cookies?
 
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