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2012-07-23 10:25:12 AM  
6 votes:
Dear Media,

Please stop feeding the trolls.

Sincerely,

Everyone
2012-07-23 10:32:49 AM  
5 votes:
Attention crazy, disaffected, disgruntled, gun-owning sociopaths:

Hi. How's it going? I know you've got a busy day oiling your gun and updating that collage pinned to your wall of "EVIL PEOPLE WHO ARE GOING TO PAY" and it's just about time to start your "I am the Angel of Death; the Time of Purification is at hand" chanting ritual, so I'll make this real brief. Could you do us all a huuuuge favor, and instead of shooting up that movie theater, shopping mall, classroom, daycare, or public transportation, could you be a dear and head on over to the nearest Westboro protest and wipe them all out? This could really be a win-win for you and society. I know you think that theater full of capitalist swine/classroom full of bullies/daycare of future whores/bus full of Reptoids SEEMS like a good target, and the voice in your head are telling you they have to die, but you know how this ends. Stupid society just fixates on the the "innocent" (but you know better!) people you killed, and they completely ignore the totally sane and very lucid reason you had for getting all shooty. Well, here's a chance to change all that. Wipe out these Westboro twats, and yes there'll be some hand-wringing and tears, but on the whole people really aren't going to care. You're unlikely to be gunned down by the cops, who will probably just languidly observe it and maybe give a half-hearted, "wait, no, stop, don't do it." You'll probably go to a mental institution instead of jail, and I hear the pudding there is absolutely delicious. You may find yourself hailed as a hero by many, and in the end isn't that what you really want?

So please give this some careful consideration before you climb up in that clock tower and start weeding out undergrads or whatever it is you're planning.

Thanks very much!
2012-07-23 10:39:00 AM  
3 votes:
My high school friend and her half-sister were murdered about two weeks ago back home in Kansas City. Those assholes decided that the beating and smothering of two young mothers by a meth head was a good reason to protest.

I went to the memorial service. I never did see them, but there was a line of people about half a mile long in the small town where the service was being held. I don't even remember seeing the WBC animals, but I did see a few hundred people turning out to shout them down, with signs like "WBC LOVES ANAL", which gave me a good chuckle.

Same thing happened here in Columbia yesterday. A soldier my age was killed in Afghanistan and had his service. Hundreds showed up to make sure that the WBC wasn't seen or heard by the family. It shows you the darkest and lightest sides of humanity. I could tell from an on-site interview of the WBC yesterday in Columbia that they're running out of steam. They were asking the DJ why they were blocking their protest and sounded weak-willed. We're close to winning the battle over these trolls.

That being said, if I die, I expect you all to beat those people with their own picket signs if they show up at my funeral.
2012-07-23 10:27:12 AM  
3 votes:
Are there any legal precedents for some form of a mob action that was labeled as temporary insanity? I'm wondering if at some point due to the large group trauma and shared pain that something like this wont make the crowd just go nuts and tear these people apart. At an individual funeral it might not be so bad but I would imagine the residents, family, friends and others of Aurora might not control their rage as well as one family and friends might. Imagine someone on the stand "I'm not sure what happened. Everyone ran towards the Westoboro people. I was scared, I couldn't focus, I had some image of what happened in that theater happening again and I wanted to stop it. I couldn't think and I blacked out. I remember coming back to myself as me and the girl that works over at the HotDog on a Stick where tearing a Westboro person in half by the arms" *sobs*

/not guilty
2012-07-23 10:57:52 AM  
2 votes:
It would be interesting if something happened to a citizen of Skidmore, MO (God forbid - just hypothesizing), and these asswipes decided to picket there.

Those folks don't play...

Link
2012-07-23 10:39:39 AM  
2 votes:
What if the WBC held a protest and the media and everyone else completely ignored them? Their tired trolling is neither shocking, or even remotely interesting any more.
2012-07-23 10:38:12 AM  
2 votes:
You. Are. ALL. Being. TROLLED. By. Them.

This is not a church speaking out a message of hate. This is a family of lawyers and paralegals well known for frivolous litigation, who are VERY good at walking the fine line between provocation and free speech. These people are scam artists. They no more believe their own message than you or I. Their entire MO is to go into towns after tragedy, attention whore up media attention through blackmail or actual protest, and hope to be assaulted at some point by the locals, at which point they file lawsuits with EVERYONE involved, even down to the police for failing to protect them.

The best possible thing you can do to these people is IGNORE them. Their scam only works if they get attention.
2012-07-23 10:30:15 AM  
2 votes:
The best strategy is what happened in Columbia and College Station recently: get a ton of people to create a human wall around the event with their backs to the nutjobs.

Well a human wall happened in Columbia, College Station was more of a sub-human wall.
2012-07-23 10:27:58 AM  
2 votes:

Moonraper: I don't even get what those maniacs are protesting. Have they gotten to the point where they protest just for the sake of protesting?


Protesting/suing as business model. They are basically parasites on society - not providing anything to the host but relying on the host (i.e. the legal system) for survival.
2012-07-23 10:27:13 AM  
2 votes:
brightcove.vo.llnwd.net
2012-07-23 10:26:06 AM  
2 votes:

mytdawg: What are they going to picket if someone shoots up their inbred little church?

/notthatimsuggestingthat


They would just sue the pants off of whoever did the shooting. It would be completely counterproductive. The best strategy is what happened in Columbia and College Station recently: get a ton of people to create a human wall around the event with their backs to the nutjobs.
2012-07-23 10:24:39 AM  
2 votes:

Moonraper: I don't even get what those maniacs are protesting. Have they gotten to the point where they protest just for the sake of protesting?


Pretty much.

At this point, they may sa well carry signs that have the words "STOP IGNORING US!!!" in really big letters.
2012-07-23 10:22:14 AM  
2 votes:

Moonraper: I don't even get what those maniacs are protesting. Have they gotten to the point where they protest just for the sake of protesting?


They do it for two reasons.

90% is so they can sue like mad if anyone tries to stop them. They are professionals at this. Every tragedy is a money making opportunity for them.

10% of is because they are insane religious idiots.
2012-07-23 10:19:40 AM  
2 votes:
I am ashamed to live in the same universe as these nutjobs, let alone the same state.
2012-07-23 10:19:40 AM  
2 votes:
I don't even get what those maniacs are protesting. Have they gotten to the point where they protest just for the sake of protesting?
2012-07-23 11:45:14 PM  
1 votes:
img52.imageshack.us
2012-07-23 12:56:09 PM  
1 votes:
Let's deport them to Iran.
2012-07-23 12:53:24 PM  
1 votes:
Also, since this is a Westboro thread, I shall provide to you my latest DO NOT TRY THIS AT HOME because I AM NOT ADVOCATING ANY ACTS OF VIOLENCE TOWARDS THE WESTBORO BAPTIST CHURCH or its affiliates, these are simply CREATIVE WORKS OF FICTION.

This is for people who are a good shot from far away. Buy a paintball gun, and two different colors of paintballs. Lets say Red and Green. Use all but a few of the red paintballs. Store them inside the freezer, and the green ones in a drawer or something. When the Pants-On-Head Brigade comes to your area, load the red paintballs into the gun, and fill the rest of the hopper with green paintballs. Fire, hitting whoever you can, avoiding children. Be sure to use all of the red paintballs. Then disassemble and clean the gun as you normally would. When the authorities come by, say "I only use green paintballs. See?" and you will be instantly cleared.

/I AM NOT ENDORSING OR ADVOCATING VIOLENCE AGAINST THE WESTBORO BAPTIST CHURCH OR ITS AFFILIATES
//I just find great amusement in it.
2012-07-23 12:35:38 PM  
1 votes:

BronyMedic: You. Are. ALL. Being. TROLLED. By. Them.

This is not a church speaking out a message of hate. This is a family of lawyers and paralegals well known for frivolous litigation, who are VERY good at walking the fine line between provocation and free speech. These people are scam artists. They no more believe their own message than you or I. Their entire MO is to go into towns after tragedy, attention whore up media attention through blackmail or actual protest, and hope to be assaulted at some point by the locals, at which point they file lawsuits with EVERYONE involved, even down to the police for failing to protect them.

The best possible thing you can do to these people is IGNORE them. Their scam only works if they get attention.


THIS! I live close enough to the Topeka area that the Phelps clan are regular guests on local radio. It's painfully obvious that their reasons behind this are twofold: 1.) They want to get assaulted, or 2.) they want to get their first ammendment rights 'infringed' on. They don't roll into any place that they aren't able to cite, chapter and verse, what the local statutes are, where they are able to stand, where they can't, etc. They are BEGGING to have a cop move them - the city gets sued for the first ammendment thing. Throw so much as a blade of grass at them would send them into an orgasmic explosion, so they can claim 'assault'.

I wouldn't be surprised to learn that they have no feeling, one way or the other, about any of the things they protest: Look at how their targets have shifted: They first started...a loooonnnngggg time ago...at abortion clinics. Then, they started with the gheys. Still didn't get the reaction they wanted: So they realized that Americans were getting a little too peeved seeing coffins coming home from Iraq: SCORE! Now, it's basically anything that involves a casket or inkling of public sympathy: They are gonna try anything.

Because they are a church, all this is 'tax free'. Because they are lawyers, our court system is at their mercy. This is seriously NOTHING about their 'religion.' It's about a way to make money.
2012-07-23 12:13:40 PM  
1 votes:
Let me just REPOST my standard WBC fact sheet that I put together last year. Spent about half a day researching them and this is what I came up with. Fortunately, I get to repost my findings on a weekly basis here and on Reddit as that is how often these threads come up, usually filled with erroneous info.

"They sue the shiat out of people - that's how they make their living" is the general statement made but there is NO EVIDENCE supporting this. They won the Supreme Court case and the loser has been ordered to pay $16,500 in legal fees. Fred Phelps and his small congregation provide WBC's funding; the group neither solicits nor accepts outside donations. In addition to this income, the church makes money by winning or settling civil lawsuits involving the church. During the 1990s, the group sued Topeka multiple times for failing to provide sufficient protection during its protests. Although they lost most of their cases, WBC did win $43,000 in legal fees in 1993. According to Shirley Phelps-Roper, they also won more than $100,000 in 1995 in a lawsuit against Kansas' Funeral Picketing Act, which they claimed violated their First Amendment rights. Because the Phelps family represents WBC in court, they can put the fees they win towards supporting the church. On July 27, 2010, the city of Bellevue dropped the charges of flag desecration and contributing to the delinquency of a child, due to a federal judge declaring the flag desecration law unconstitutional. The city also paid Phelps-Roper $17,000 in a settlement agreement, in exchange for her dropping a pending lawsuit against the city.
Most articles put their travel/protest expenses at $200k a year or more. These suits they have won in no way support their expenses for the last couple of decades. I would love for someone to prove me wrong as I am genuinely curious, but I cannot find anywhere that supports the Internet "old wives tale" that they sue and win all the time.

Cast of Characters and Phelps Family Tree
Reverend Fred Phelps: lawyer and Baptist minister; head of the Westboro Baptist Church; 64 years old. Disbarred.

Marge Phelps: wife of Fred; mother of his 13 children; 68 years old. WBC member.

1. Fred Phelps, Jr.: lawyer and employee at the Kansas Department of Corrections; 40 years old. Oldest son. WBC member.

Betty Phelps (Schurle): wife of Fred, Jr.; lawyer and owner-operator of a day-care home; 41 years old. WBC member.

2. ***Mark Phelps: businessman in Southern California; estranged from the family cult; 39 years old. 2nd son.

Luava Phelps (Sundgren): wife of Mark; childhood sweetheart; 36 years old.

3. ***Katherine Phelps: lawyer; suspended from the bar; living on welfare; 38 years-old; oldest daughter. Not in WBC.

4. Margie Phelps: lawyer and employee of the Kansas Department of Corrections; 37 years old; 2nd daughter. WBC member.

5. Shirley Phelps-Roper: lawyer at Phelps Chartered; 36 years old; 3rd daughter. WBC member.

Brent Roper: husband of Shirley; lawyer and businessman in Topeka; 30 years old; WBC member.
6. ***Nate Phelps: businessman in Southern California; estranged from family cult; 35 years old. 3rd son.

7. Jonathon Phelps: lawyer; 4th son; 34 years old; WBC member. Paulette Phelps (Ossiander): wife of Jonathon; 33 years old; high school graduate; WBC member.

8. Rebekah Phelps-Davis: lawyer at Phelps Chartered; 32 years old; 4th daughter; WBC member.

Chris Davis: husband to Rebekah; 38 years old; raised from childhood in the WBC.

9. Elizabeth Phelps: lawyer at Phelps Chartered; night house manager staff at Sheltered Living, Inc. Topeka; 31 years old; 5th daughter; WBC member. Former counsel for the Shawnee County Sheriff's Department.

10. Timothy Phelps: lawyer and employee of the Shawnee County Department of Corrections; 30 years old; 5th son; WBC member.

Lee Ann Phelps (Brown): wife of Timothy; lawyer and employee of Shawnee County Sheriff's Department; 27 years old; WBC member.

11.***Dorotha Bird (Phelps): lawyer practicing independently in Topeka; 6th daughter; not a WBC member; changed her last name to avoid family's notoriety. 29 years old.

12. Rachel Phelps: lawyer at Phelps Chartered; YMCA fitness instructor; 28 years old; 7th daughter; WBC member.

13. Abigail Phelps: lawyer and employee at SRS-Youth and Adult Services, Juvenile Offender Program; 25 years old; 8th daughter; WBC member.
OTHERS
Fred Wade Phelps: the Rev. Phelps' father; he lived in Meridian, Mississippi. He was a railroad bull.

Catherine Idalette Phelps (Johnson): the Rev. Phelps' mother; she died when he was a small child.

Martha Jean Capron (Phelps): the Rev. Phelps' only sibling; a former missionary to Indonesia, she now lives in Pennsylvania; the brother and sister have not spoken for years.

***Denotes a Phelps child who has left the family cult.
2012-07-23 11:45:17 AM  
1 votes:

Marine1: Private_Citizen: "The First Church of the Troll" strikes again!

Seriously, most of the members af that incestual little group are lawyers. They pay the bills by being the biggest, most obnoxious trolls possible - then when someone infringes on their first amendment rights, they sue. The resulting legal fees go straight to the church.

Best way to deal with them is to ignore them.

What I don't get is how the juries keep giving them damages. Apparently no one there is familiar with "jury nullification".


From what I've ascertained about them, they're very similar to patent trolls, in that they rarely ever go to court. Most of the time, they settle out of court. Like others have said, they're VERY good at what they do and know exactly how to push the right buttonsand pull the right levers to make things fall into their favor.
2012-07-23 11:36:41 AM  
1 votes:

Private_Citizen: "The First Church of the Troll" strikes again!

Seriously, most of the members af that incestual little group are lawyers. They pay the bills by being the biggest, most obnoxious trolls possible - then when someone infringes on their first amendment rights, they sue. The resulting legal fees go straight to the church.

Best way to deal with them is to ignore them.


What I don't get is how the juries keep giving them damages. Apparently no one there is familiar with "jury nullification".
2012-07-23 11:30:33 AM  
1 votes:

iheartscotch: BronyMedic: Lost_in_Oregon: I can't wait to hear that the Westboro Baptist Church is planning on protesting the Republican Convention. Will they build the wall in front of them or behind them?

I think that, if they really believed their own message, they'd be doing that. It's interesting how every time the RNC occurs, the town it occurs in experiences a surge in personal and craigslist ads looking for NSA gay sex.

It's almost like they like the buttsekz, and deny it.

Phelps is a democrat. In fact, if i remember correctly; he threw big fundraisers for both Clinton and Gore.

/ he's to the democratic party what the tea party is to the republican party; the crazy, ultra-radical pants-on-head wearers.

// I agree that both parties (WBC and the tea party) are loons and do not represent the mainstream views of either the democrats or the republicans


Yeah, that's a retarded equivocation.

The democrats most certainly do NOT elect crazies like the Phelps's, or hold a majority with similar views which enables said election -- quite unlike the Republicans.

The Tea Party has become MAINSTREAM republicanism. Party of Lincoln is as dead as Good Friday.
2012-07-23 11:26:13 AM  
1 votes:

BronyMedic: You. Are. ALL. Being. TROLLED. By. Them.

This is not a church speaking out a message of hate. This is a family of lawyers and paralegals well known for frivolous litigation, who are VERY good at walking the fine line between provocation and free speech. These people are scam artists. They no more believe their own message than you or I. Their entire MO is to go into towns after tragedy, attention whore up media attention through blackmail or actual protest, and hope to be assaulted at some point by the locals, at which point they file lawsuits with EVERYONE involved, even down to the police for failing to protect them.

The best possible thing you can do to these people is IGNORE them. Their scam only works if they get attention.


This, This, THIS.

Seriously. That's what they do. They WANT people to attack them and get up in their face, they want trouble, they want something they can sue over.

The more the media reports on them, the more they are empowered. They are like Trolls of real life. Take the trolliest Fark Troll here, and give them the cojones to actually say the stupid crap that gets said here in meatspace instead, and put it behind a thin facade of religious freedom, and you get the WBC.
2012-07-23 11:21:47 AM  
1 votes:
BronyMedic
hope to be assaulted at some point by the locals, at which point they file lawsuits with EVERYONE involved, even down to the police for failing to protect them.

I always read that they're doing this, but I don't think I've ever seen an article about WBC being attacked and then suing someone (only a couple of articles about lawsuits that worked out to what extent banning their protests is (il)legal).

Is this common knowledge about the WBC's business model just mixing that
a) there were a few somewhat high-profile civil rights related lawsuits about their bullshiat and
b) that a lot of the clan are working in the legal field and thus generally "earn the money for their protests with lawsuits"?

Or were there lawsuits in the past and counter-protesters have gotten wise and are restraining themselves in recent years?

Or are there still lawsuits and they just don't get the same level of media attention as WBC's picket announcements?
2012-07-23 11:07:44 AM  
1 votes:
sefert: Exactly how big is this church?

Phelps, his relatives, their immediate family. All in all, less than 70 people.

sefert: They always seem to have a large number of people that can pick up, go across the country, and protest something at a given moment.

If you notice, it's ALWAYS the same people they have protesting. They're very, very good at what they do. They train them on how to act, how to provoke others, and when to stop their behavior and let the situation cascade in their favor.

sefert: Where do they get the resources?

The entire family are lawyers and paralegals who work civil and business cases. Some of them have high-profile Government jobs. They make their money on this, and the proceeds of their lawsuits.
2012-07-23 11:04:10 AM  
1 votes:

sefert: Exactly how big is this church? They always seem to have a large number of people that can pick up, go across the country, and protest something at a given moment. Where do they get the resources? Are they all unemployed?


Small, just Fred Phelps' family, really... but like others have pointed out they're a family of personal-injury lawyers. Every trip is an opportunity to sue either a town for not accommodating them or someone else for reacting emotionally to their incessant fight-picking. That keeps them going strong, along with their regular legal trade in Tulsa.
2012-07-23 11:00:22 AM  
1 votes:
Worry about the minor league scumbags instead, gang.

A lot of false charities are springing up and I've just gotten wind of fake James Holmes Facebook pages meant to scare people. Let's worry about them instead. Colorado can take care of WBC.

Live webcast from Colorado Link
2012-07-23 10:59:20 AM  
1 votes:
These farkwits picketed my school once last year. No idea why. I don't think they even said why our school in particular. Then they went on to other Boston-area schools, just picketing each one for about 20 minutes. It was around 8:30 a.m., so they nobody really gave a shiat. They got a few sleepy undergrads to peek out of their dorms and the grad students just ignored them.

One big problem I have with them is that they involve their children in their asshattery. It's too bad the state can't call it what it is, child abuse, and take the children away from them. At least it would help prevent another generation of these inbred freaks from carrying the torch.
2012-07-23 10:58:13 AM  
1 votes:
For those complaining about giving them attention, as far as I can tell the media DID ignore them except for this article. Nothing in the local papers, nothing on the newscasts. But to say that people in the community should just ignore them is wrong. This community rose up to create a wall so that the grieving families didn't need to deal with these idiots. I know I was flipping back and forth between local coverage and CNN and saw a wall of motorcycles/bikers and a whole lot of people there with them. And good old Don Lemon (who may have just been totally clueless given that it is him but may have just made a point of ignoring WBC) just talking about a lot of "activity" and people gathering in the area. Never said why they were there. Never saw any pics at all of WBC.
2012-07-23 10:53:35 AM  
1 votes:

Moonraper: I don't even get what those maniacs are protesting. Have they gotten to the point where they protest just for the sake of protesting?


Nope. Same goal as always.

They go where they can make people the angriest, pretend to have a point, then sue anybody dumb enough to try to stop them.

They are just legal trolls. Nothing more. Sad, demented, angry, pathetic, evil legal trolls.

/Still, part of me hopes a shot rings out and one of their heads explode
2012-07-23 10:41:58 AM  
1 votes:
Instead of a wall of people with their backs to the crazy people, what you need is a wall of people facing them. Naked.

/Hello, Fred. Here's my boner.
2012-07-23 10:38:53 AM  
1 votes:

Dull Cow Eyes: I'm waiting for a guy in a mask with a bat going apeshiat on these people, then quickly disappearing so they don't know who to sue.


The city/town they're in for not protecting them properly. Or if that's not possible then someone will get sued no doubt. They have things planned for such an eventuality I'm sure
2012-07-23 10:26:08 AM  
1 votes:
Won't someone please step forward to beat the fark out of those idiots?
2012-07-23 10:24:51 AM  
1 votes:

Moonraper: Have they gotten to the point where they protest just for the sake of protesting?


Heh, where, exactly have you been for the past five years?
2012-07-23 10:21:13 AM  
1 votes:
What are they going to picket if someone shoots up their inbred little church?

/notthatimsuggestingthat
2012-07-23 10:20:49 AM  
1 votes:
You'd think one of those white politically active college lunatics could do us a favor and attack these guys for once.
 
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