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2012-07-23 10:41:58 AM  
Instead of a wall of people with their backs to the crazy people, what you need is a wall of people facing them. Naked.

/Hello, Fred. Here's my boner.
 
2012-07-23 10:45:57 AM  
FTFA - Earlier this morning, the Denver Comic Con released a statement on their Facebook page urging patrons of the convention to assist in forming a human barrier in front of the service.

AVENGING NERDS ASSEMBLE!!!
 
2012-07-23 10:46:20 AM  
Lost_in_Oregon: I can't wait to hear that the Westboro Baptist Church is planning on protesting the Republican Convention. Will they build the wall in front of them or behind them?

I think that, if they really believed their own message, they'd be doing that. It's interesting how every time the RNC occurs, the town it occurs in experiences a surge in personal and craigslist ads looking for NSA gay sex.

It's almost like they like the buttsekz, and deny it.
 
2012-07-23 10:46:27 AM  
Can't someone who owns a septic disposal truck just do a drive-by and hose these bastards down? I think that'd be absolutely epic.
 
2012-07-23 10:48:06 AM  
I really wish the media idiots would stop writing about these raging a-holes.
 
2012-07-23 10:48:46 AM  
TOTAL FARK FAILURE!


So the flyer linked to the article that has the details of the prayer vigil says Sunday July 22nd, and this gets posted on Fark Today? Old news is so exciting!
 
2012-07-23 10:52:25 AM  

syberpud: Protesting/suing as business model. They are basically parasites on society - not providing anything to the host but relying on the host (i.e. the legal system) for survival.


Technically, while not trolling for torts they're also a very effective, personal-injury law firm. Tulsa residents grudgingly admit that when you need money from someone that caused an accident, you go to the Phelps' law firm.

So, like you said: parasites.

But their religious angle on the Aurora murders isn't uncommon; I had a conversation on FB yesterday in which one of my old coworkers said that instead of some mental illness or fugue, the real reason for the shootings is that we're all flawed, fallen sinners that gravitate towards doing wrong. That philosophy was terrifying in its banality and underlying terror to me.

I did discover that saying "I'm leaving the thread; just so you know I'm not ignoring you" is a polite way to avoid fighting pointlessly with friends. It doesn't work on here, though.
 
2012-07-23 10:53:20 AM  
Who the real make-believe villains are? That's nice.
 
2012-07-23 10:53:35 AM  

Moonraper: I don't even get what those maniacs are protesting. Have they gotten to the point where they protest just for the sake of protesting?


Nope. Same goal as always.

They go where they can make people the angriest, pretend to have a point, then sue anybody dumb enough to try to stop them.

They are just legal trolls. Nothing more. Sad, demented, angry, pathetic, evil legal trolls.

/Still, part of me hopes a shot rings out and one of their heads explode
 
2012-07-23 10:57:52 AM  
The geys? It's the geys.
 
2012-07-23 10:57:52 AM  
It would be interesting if something happened to a citizen of Skidmore, MO (God forbid - just hypothesizing), and these asswipes decided to picket there.

Those folks don't play...

Link
 
2012-07-23 10:58:02 AM  

BronyMedic: Lost_in_Oregon: I can't wait to hear that the Westboro Baptist Church is planning on protesting the Republican Convention. Will they build the wall in front of them or behind them?

I think that, if they really believed their own message, they'd be doing that. It's interesting how every time the RNC occurs, the town it occurs in experiences a surge in personal and craigslist ads looking for NSA gay sex.

It's almost like they like the buttsekz, and deny it.


Phelps is a democrat. In fact, if i remember correctly; he threw big fundraisers for both Clinton and Gore.

/ he's to the democratic party what the tea party is to the republican party; the crazy, ultra-radical pants-on-head wearers.

// I agree that both parties (WBC and the tea party) are loons and do not represent the mainstream views of either the democrats or the republicans
 
2012-07-23 10:58:13 AM  
For those complaining about giving them attention, as far as I can tell the media DID ignore them except for this article. Nothing in the local papers, nothing on the newscasts. But to say that people in the community should just ignore them is wrong. This community rose up to create a wall so that the grieving families didn't need to deal with these idiots. I know I was flipping back and forth between local coverage and CNN and saw a wall of motorcycles/bikers and a whole lot of people there with them. And good old Don Lemon (who may have just been totally clueless given that it is him but may have just made a point of ignoring WBC) just talking about a lot of "activity" and people gathering in the area. Never said why they were there. Never saw any pics at all of WBC.
 
2012-07-23 10:59:20 AM  
These farkwits picketed my school once last year. No idea why. I don't think they even said why our school in particular. Then they went on to other Boston-area schools, just picketing each one for about 20 minutes. It was around 8:30 a.m., so they nobody really gave a shiat. They got a few sleepy undergrads to peek out of their dorms and the grad students just ignored them.

One big problem I have with them is that they involve their children in their asshattery. It's too bad the state can't call it what it is, child abuse, and take the children away from them. At least it would help prevent another generation of these inbred freaks from carrying the torch.
 
2012-07-23 11:00:22 AM  
Worry about the minor league scumbags instead, gang.

A lot of false charities are springing up and I've just gotten wind of fake James Holmes Facebook pages meant to scare people. Let's worry about them instead. Colorado can take care of WBC.

Live webcast from Colorado Link
 
2012-07-23 11:00:56 AM  

Moonraper: I don't even get what those maniacs are protesting. Have they gotten to the point where they protest just for the sake of protesting?


They're attention whores. They're very good at it.
 
2012-07-23 11:00:57 AM  
Exactly how big is this church? They always seem to have a large number of people that can pick up, go across the country, and protest something at a given moment. Where do they get the resources? Are they all unemployed?
 
2012-07-23 11:03:56 AM  

Coelacanth: fake James Holmes Facebook pages meant to scare people


How does a Facebook page scare people? Does it look like a late-'90s Geocities page with lots of animated gifs and blinky text? I find those a bit unnerving.
 
2012-07-23 11:04:10 AM  

sefert: Exactly how big is this church? They always seem to have a large number of people that can pick up, go across the country, and protest something at a given moment. Where do they get the resources? Are they all unemployed?


Small, just Fred Phelps' family, really... but like others have pointed out they're a family of personal-injury lawyers. Every trip is an opportunity to sue either a town for not accommodating them or someone else for reacting emotionally to their incessant fight-picking. That keeps them going strong, along with their regular legal trade in Tulsa.
 
2012-07-23 11:04:28 AM  
Let's say for argument's sake that someone were to dress up like a certain masked vigilante show up at this protest and proceed to beat them up, does that mean they can't sue/take action against this particular person?
 
2012-07-23 11:04:49 AM  
peasants_are_revolting: These farkwits picketed my school once last year. No idea why. I don't think they even said why our school in particular. Then they went on to other Boston-area schools, just picketing each one for about 20 minutes. It was around 8:30 a.m., so they nobody really gave a shiat. They got a few sleepy undergrads to peek out of their dorms and the grad students just ignored them.

One big problem I have with them is that they involve their children in their asshattery. It's too bad the state can't call it what it is, child abuse, and take the children away from them. At least it would help prevent another generation of these inbred freaks from carrying the torch.


They're trolling for lawsuits, nothing more.

The kids are just pawns in it. "See, your honor? What kind of horrible man would attack a group with children in it. We demand two million dollars!"
 
2012-07-23 11:05:22 AM  

poe_zlaw: Fred Phelps. The trolliest roller of them all.


I guess that would make him a "holy troller", no?
 
2012-07-23 11:06:54 AM  

Moonraper: I don't even get what those maniacs are protesting. Have they gotten to the point where they protest just for the sake of protesting?


Essentialy, yes. Whenever they are prevented from protesting, they sue the government responsible.
 
2012-07-23 11:07:44 AM  
sefert: Exactly how big is this church?

Phelps, his relatives, their immediate family. All in all, less than 70 people.

sefert: They always seem to have a large number of people that can pick up, go across the country, and protest something at a given moment.

If you notice, it's ALWAYS the same people they have protesting. They're very, very good at what they do. They train them on how to act, how to provoke others, and when to stop their behavior and let the situation cascade in their favor.

sefert: Where do they get the resources?

The entire family are lawyers and paralegals who work civil and business cases. Some of them have high-profile Government jobs. They make their money on this, and the proceeds of their lawsuits.
 
2012-07-23 11:08:06 AM  
This has something to do with Batman and Robin's "relationship," doesn't it?
 
2012-07-23 11:08:56 AM  

Prank Call of Cthulhu: How does a Facebook page scare people? Does it look like a late-'90s Geocities page with lots of animated gifs and blinky text? I find those a bit unnerving.


I might favor you yet.
 
2012-07-23 11:10:56 AM  

Moonraper: I don't even get what those maniacs are protesting. Have they gotten to the point where they protest just for the sake of protesting?


the ultimate trolls
 
2012-07-23 11:11:52 AM  
And they will know we are christians by our love
 
2012-07-23 11:13:13 AM  
These people make me very angry... but then, I stop and realize while they are wasting all their time protesting other people's choices, I'm busy enjoying my life and spending time with good people, some of whom are gay, some of whom aren't. I think that's the real way to beat them. Just ignore them.

And pity them... since it can't be fun to waste all that time protesting and being hated :)
 
2012-07-23 11:13:50 AM  
Fred Phelps funeral will be hilarious. Assuming that the rest of Westboro baptist doesn't feed on the corpse. That would still be funny.
 
2012-07-23 11:14:43 AM  
Outlaw all the eggs that come from between the legs!
 
2012-07-23 11:15:57 AM  

randomjsa: Moonraper: I don't even get what those maniacs are protesting. Have they gotten to the point where they protest just for the sake of protesting?

They do it for two reasons.

100% is so they can sue like mad if anyone tries to stop them. They are professionals at this. Every tragedy is a money making opportunity for them.

0% of is because they are insane religious idiots.


FTFY

And it doesn't help that we have a court and pseudo-justice system that's required to go by what the law says instead of going by justice, logic and reason.

Also, why do news outlets keep printing articles about that bunch? The best way to get rid of a troll is to ignore them no matter what.
 
2012-07-23 11:18:24 AM  
Too bad there's not a largeish asteroid or meteor on a crash-course with the WBC compound... and too bad this same hypothetical space rock isn't vaguely shaped like a human fist.

And too bad that this hypothetical fist-shaped rock won't hit their little 'church' while they're protesting in Aurora. I'd get a laugh at seeing just who they try to sue when they come back to see their home smote by what looks like the fist of God.
 
2012-07-23 11:20:43 AM  
I would bet on them not showing up at all, or entering Aurora and making a fuss somewhere else other than the vigil. They're not stupid enough to purposefully get in harm's way, and have said before that they were going to show up at something and then not.

Given the nature of this tragedy, this may just be the one where someone decides to get on a rooftop and shoot one or more of those bastards.

/would LOVE to see OSHA or whatever body rules occupational health and safety federally step in and fine the balls of of WBC if someone actually harmed them. They could easily be shown to be an employer of protesters.
 
2012-07-23 11:21:47 AM  
BronyMedic
hope to be assaulted at some point by the locals, at which point they file lawsuits with EVERYONE involved, even down to the police for failing to protect them.

I always read that they're doing this, but I don't think I've ever seen an article about WBC being attacked and then suing someone (only a couple of articles about lawsuits that worked out to what extent banning their protests is (il)legal).

Is this common knowledge about the WBC's business model just mixing that
a) there were a few somewhat high-profile civil rights related lawsuits about their bullshiat and
b) that a lot of the clan are working in the legal field and thus generally "earn the money for their protests with lawsuits"?

Or were there lawsuits in the past and counter-protesters have gotten wise and are restraining themselves in recent years?

Or are there still lawsuits and they just don't get the same level of media attention as WBC's picket announcements?
 
2012-07-23 11:26:03 AM  

Cloudchaser Sakonige the Red Wolf: And it doesn't help that we have a court and pseudo-justice system that's required to go by what the law says instead of going by justice, logic and reason.


?????
 
2012-07-23 11:26:13 AM  

BronyMedic: You. Are. ALL. Being. TROLLED. By. Them.

This is not a church speaking out a message of hate. This is a family of lawyers and paralegals well known for frivolous litigation, who are VERY good at walking the fine line between provocation and free speech. These people are scam artists. They no more believe their own message than you or I. Their entire MO is to go into towns after tragedy, attention whore up media attention through blackmail or actual protest, and hope to be assaulted at some point by the locals, at which point they file lawsuits with EVERYONE involved, even down to the police for failing to protect them.

The best possible thing you can do to these people is IGNORE them. Their scam only works if they get attention.


This, This, THIS.

Seriously. That's what they do. They WANT people to attack them and get up in their face, they want trouble, they want something they can sue over.

The more the media reports on them, the more they are empowered. They are like Trolls of real life. Take the trolliest Fark Troll here, and give them the cojones to actually say the stupid crap that gets said here in meatspace instead, and put it behind a thin facade of religious freedom, and you get the WBC.
 
2012-07-23 11:27:51 AM  
I don't want these people to die, but it would be interesting to see their reaction if a gunman took out half of them during a "protest". I'm wondering if they would respond like normal people, or somehow be void of emotion.
 
2012-07-23 11:30:33 AM  

iheartscotch: BronyMedic: Lost_in_Oregon: I can't wait to hear that the Westboro Baptist Church is planning on protesting the Republican Convention. Will they build the wall in front of them or behind them?

I think that, if they really believed their own message, they'd be doing that. It's interesting how every time the RNC occurs, the town it occurs in experiences a surge in personal and craigslist ads looking for NSA gay sex.

It's almost like they like the buttsekz, and deny it.

Phelps is a democrat. In fact, if i remember correctly; he threw big fundraisers for both Clinton and Gore.

/ he's to the democratic party what the tea party is to the republican party; the crazy, ultra-radical pants-on-head wearers.

// I agree that both parties (WBC and the tea party) are loons and do not represent the mainstream views of either the democrats or the republicans


Yeah, that's a retarded equivocation.

The democrats most certainly do NOT elect crazies like the Phelps's, or hold a majority with similar views which enables said election -- quite unlike the Republicans.

The Tea Party has become MAINSTREAM republicanism. Party of Lincoln is as dead as Good Friday.
 
2012-07-23 11:34:48 AM  

valar_morghulis: iheartscotch: BronyMedic: Lost_in_Oregon: I can't wait to hear that the Westboro Baptist Church is planning on protesting the Republican Convention. Will they build the wall in front of them or behind them?

I think that, if they really believed their own message, they'd be doing that. It's interesting how every time the RNC occurs, the town it occurs in experiences a surge in personal and craigslist ads looking for NSA gay sex.

It's almost like they like the buttsekz, and deny it.

Phelps is a democrat. In fact, if i remember correctly; he threw big fundraisers for both Clinton and Gore.

/ he's to the democratic party what the tea party is to the republican party; the crazy, ultra-radical pants-on-head wearers.

// I agree that both parties (WBC and the tea party) are loons and do not represent the mainstream views of either the democrats or the republicans

Yeah, that's a retarded equivocation.

The democrats most certainly do NOT elect crazies like the Phelps's, or hold a majority with similar views which enables said election -- quite unlike the Republicans.

The Tea Party has become MAINSTREAM republicanism. Party of Lincoln is as dead as Good Friday.


I'd call Barbara Boxer a crazy, but that's just me.
 
2012-07-23 11:34:49 AM  
"The First Church of the Troll" strikes again!

Seriously, most of the members af that incestual little group are lawyers. They pay the bills by being the biggest, most obnoxious trolls possible - then when someone infringes on their first amendment rights, they sue. The resulting legal fees go straight to the church.

Best way to deal with them is to ignore them.
 
2012-07-23 11:36:41 AM  

Private_Citizen: "The First Church of the Troll" strikes again!

Seriously, most of the members af that incestual little group are lawyers. They pay the bills by being the biggest, most obnoxious trolls possible - then when someone infringes on their first amendment rights, they sue. The resulting legal fees go straight to the church.

Best way to deal with them is to ignore them.


What I don't get is how the juries keep giving them damages. Apparently no one there is familiar with "jury nullification".
 
2012-07-23 11:39:56 AM  

Cloudchaser Sakonige the Red Wolf: randomjsa: Moonraper: I don't even get what those maniacs are protesting. Have they gotten to the point where they protest just for the sake of protesting?

Also, why do news outlets keep printing articles about that bunch? The best way to get rid of a troll is to ignore them no matter what.


Actually, that's the second best way...
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2012-07-23 11:45:17 AM  

Marine1: Private_Citizen: "The First Church of the Troll" strikes again!

Seriously, most of the members af that incestual little group are lawyers. They pay the bills by being the biggest, most obnoxious trolls possible - then when someone infringes on their first amendment rights, they sue. The resulting legal fees go straight to the church.

Best way to deal with them is to ignore them.

What I don't get is how the juries keep giving them damages. Apparently no one there is familiar with "jury nullification".


From what I've ascertained about them, they're very similar to patent trolls, in that they rarely ever go to court. Most of the time, they settle out of court. Like others have said, they're VERY good at what they do and know exactly how to push the right buttonsand pull the right levers to make things fall into their favor.
 
2012-07-23 11:47:51 AM  
Do they actually protest any more? Or do they just say they're going to and then not show up?
 
2012-07-23 11:59:59 AM  

TripLX: Marine1: Private_Citizen: "The First Church of the Troll" strikes again!

Seriously, most of the members af that incestual little group are lawyers. They pay the bills by being the biggest, most obnoxious trolls possible - then when someone infringes on their first amendment rights, they sue. The resulting legal fees go straight to the church.

Best way to deal with them is to ignore them.

What I don't get is how the juries keep giving them damages. Apparently no one there is familiar with "jury nullification".

From what I've ascertained about them, they're very similar to patent trolls, in that they rarely ever go to court. Most of the time, they settle out of court. Like others have said, they're VERY good at what they do and know exactly how to push the right buttonsand pull the right levers to make things fall into their favor.


To me, that has to be the saddest possible statement about the state of the American spine. People would literally rather pay a bunch of people who profane the word of God into hate speech than shut them down. No one has balls anymore.
 
2012-07-23 12:01:02 PM  
So, we get crazy people that decide to shoot up their high school, their favorite movie theater, their office/workplace, but none that want to go postal on the world's worst trolls.
 
2012-07-23 12:08:21 PM  

Zizzowop: So, we get crazy people that decide to shoot up their high school, their favorite movie theater, their office/workplace, but none that want to go postal on the world's worst trolls.


I was wondering about that when my friend was murdered. How come they never murder people who create problems for society? I mean, I don't advocate it, but seriously, you'd think one of them would get caught up sometime.
 
2012-07-23 12:10:07 PM  
In all honesty, I think that if someone were to shoot them up, authorities and courts might look the other way. WBC's whole retort is "1st amendment". While they might get away with hiding behind that, I seriously, seriously think that the justice system might just happen to look the other way...
 
2012-07-23 12:13:40 PM  
Let me just REPOST my standard WBC fact sheet that I put together last year. Spent about half a day researching them and this is what I came up with. Fortunately, I get to repost my findings on a weekly basis here and on Reddit as that is how often these threads come up, usually filled with erroneous info.

"They sue the shiat out of people - that's how they make their living" is the general statement made but there is NO EVIDENCE supporting this. They won the Supreme Court case and the loser has been ordered to pay $16,500 in legal fees. Fred Phelps and his small congregation provide WBC's funding; the group neither solicits nor accepts outside donations. In addition to this income, the church makes money by winning or settling civil lawsuits involving the church. During the 1990s, the group sued Topeka multiple times for failing to provide sufficient protection during its protests. Although they lost most of their cases, WBC did win $43,000 in legal fees in 1993. According to Shirley Phelps-Roper, they also won more than $100,000 in 1995 in a lawsuit against Kansas' Funeral Picketing Act, which they claimed violated their First Amendment rights. Because the Phelps family represents WBC in court, they can put the fees they win towards supporting the church. On July 27, 2010, the city of Bellevue dropped the charges of flag desecration and contributing to the delinquency of a child, due to a federal judge declaring the flag desecration law unconstitutional. The city also paid Phelps-Roper $17,000 in a settlement agreement, in exchange for her dropping a pending lawsuit against the city.
Most articles put their travel/protest expenses at $200k a year or more. These suits they have won in no way support their expenses for the last couple of decades. I would love for someone to prove me wrong as I am genuinely curious, but I cannot find anywhere that supports the Internet "old wives tale" that they sue and win all the time.

Cast of Characters and Phelps Family Tree
Reverend Fred Phelps: lawyer and Baptist minister; head of the Westboro Baptist Church; 64 years old. Disbarred.

Marge Phelps: wife of Fred; mother of his 13 children; 68 years old. WBC member.

1. Fred Phelps, Jr.: lawyer and employee at the Kansas Department of Corrections; 40 years old. Oldest son. WBC member.

Betty Phelps (Schurle): wife of Fred, Jr.; lawyer and owner-operator of a day-care home; 41 years old. WBC member.

2. ***Mark Phelps: businessman in Southern California; estranged from the family cult; 39 years old. 2nd son.

Luava Phelps (Sundgren): wife of Mark; childhood sweetheart; 36 years old.

3. ***Katherine Phelps: lawyer; suspended from the bar; living on welfare; 38 years-old; oldest daughter. Not in WBC.

4. Margie Phelps: lawyer and employee of the Kansas Department of Corrections; 37 years old; 2nd daughter. WBC member.

5. Shirley Phelps-Roper: lawyer at Phelps Chartered; 36 years old; 3rd daughter. WBC member.

Brent Roper: husband of Shirley; lawyer and businessman in Topeka; 30 years old; WBC member.
6. ***Nate Phelps: businessman in Southern California; estranged from family cult; 35 years old. 3rd son.

7. Jonathon Phelps: lawyer; 4th son; 34 years old; WBC member. Paulette Phelps (Ossiander): wife of Jonathon; 33 years old; high school graduate; WBC member.

8. Rebekah Phelps-Davis: lawyer at Phelps Chartered; 32 years old; 4th daughter; WBC member.

Chris Davis: husband to Rebekah; 38 years old; raised from childhood in the WBC.

9. Elizabeth Phelps: lawyer at Phelps Chartered; night house manager staff at Sheltered Living, Inc. Topeka; 31 years old; 5th daughter; WBC member. Former counsel for the Shawnee County Sheriff's Department.

10. Timothy Phelps: lawyer and employee of the Shawnee County Department of Corrections; 30 years old; 5th son; WBC member.

Lee Ann Phelps (Brown): wife of Timothy; lawyer and employee of Shawnee County Sheriff's Department; 27 years old; WBC member.

11.***Dorotha Bird (Phelps): lawyer practicing independently in Topeka; 6th daughter; not a WBC member; changed her last name to avoid family's notoriety. 29 years old.

12. Rachel Phelps: lawyer at Phelps Chartered; YMCA fitness instructor; 28 years old; 7th daughter; WBC member.

13. Abigail Phelps: lawyer and employee at SRS-Youth and Adult Services, Juvenile Offender Program; 25 years old; 8th daughter; WBC member.
OTHERS
Fred Wade Phelps: the Rev. Phelps' father; he lived in Meridian, Mississippi. He was a railroad bull.

Catherine Idalette Phelps (Johnson): the Rev. Phelps' mother; she died when he was a small child.

Martha Jean Capron (Phelps): the Rev. Phelps' only sibling; a former missionary to Indonesia, she now lives in Pennsylvania; the brother and sister have not spoken for years.

***Denotes a Phelps child who has left the family cult.
 
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