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(Daily Mail)   Right on schedule, video games being blamed for Aurora shooting. "I can't remember which one but it was something like World of Warcraft"   (dailymail.co.uk) divider line 227
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2012-07-23 01:31:48 PM  

Alpha Sierra Foxtrot: Mugato: Even if video games were the reason he did this, given the millions of people who play video games without incident, it's a pretty good ratio.

I am really curious what the anti-video game people say when someone points out that fact.

I mean, I've played video games since I was about six years old and to my knowledge, I've never murdered a single human being.

However, considering that I picked up Peggle on the Steam Summer Sale, the chances of me going on a rampage because I've tried and retried that one level about fifteen times has increased exponentially.


I played the Amnesia demo and went insane. Ban it and save mental institutions of the inevitable influx of patients.
 
2012-07-23 01:32:04 PM  

real_kibo: God Is My Co-Pirate: It's true. I've been playing a lot of Borderlands recently, and just the other day, I shot a midget in the face with an elephant gun.

I like when the electrical guns make all the flesh come off their face and then after that their skull pops open and then after that their brain explodes and after that they die, while you're already two missions further ahead.

It's a shame they're toning down those death animations for "Borderlands 2". How will I ever be able to sublimate my lust for watching midgets' heads gradually explode? (Linda Hunt's not on my map of the stars' homes!)


I like the electical deaths, but I really love acid deaths. Just seeing them dissolve into a puddle of goop is quite amusing.
 
2012-07-23 01:32:28 PM  
He was watching too much Son's of Guns or American Guns-that little skinny blond carrying a handgun bigger than her head.
 
2012-07-23 01:32:42 PM  
The video game "Soldiers of Misfortune?" It's part of the "Army Men" series -- you know, the one where plastic army soldiers fight each other.

The Daily Fail just needs to stop.
 
2012-07-23 01:32:44 PM  

Need_MindBleach: He was a 24-year-old male. Most 24-year-old males play video games. Implying video games may have inspired the shooting is like saying "He watched TV. Maybe that had something to do with it."


Or "He really liked a bowl of oatmeal with coffee for breakfast". Better blame oatmeal.
 
2012-07-23 01:32:45 PM  

BruinsHockey: I have to agree with the newspaper. After playing Civilization on a 2 week non-stop marathon, i started using a catapult to try and take over my neighbours house. When that didn't work, I sent a Spy to poison their water supply. Unfortunately the Spy was caught after being successful and it set off a neighbourhood incident.

I knew I was screwed when the neighbour sent the war elephants.


Nuke him from orbit. It's the only way to be sure.
 
2012-07-23 01:32:56 PM  

LegacyDL: [101videogames.files.wordpress.com image 484x692]

Let's not all be in denial here, everyone with a brain knows that this was the game that drove him to the edge.


For playing it or for answering the phone a few hundred times in an afternoon to say he didn't have it?
 
2012-07-23 01:33:01 PM  
TFA infers that he broke up with her, and not the other way around. I'm calling bs on that, I'm sure she flat out told him she's banging someone else that would rather fark her than some video game. That and losing your apt and school, yeah, that's some darn right 'melt down' material right there.
 
2012-07-23 01:34:20 PM  

kingoomieiii: [i.dailymail.co.uk image 634x803]
Interests: Glimpses into Holmes' apartment show that he had a poster of the video game Soldiers of Misfortune

I don't play ANY paintball and I can see, with my eyes, that this is not a video game poster. Those are photographs. Of people playing Paintball.

The worst "news" publications in the US are really getting a run for their money in terms of the sheer awfulness of the Daily Mail.


Exactly one paragraph later, they get the name of it wrong:

"poster for a video game called Soldiers of Destruction is visible- and fitting considering both Holmes' interest in video games and his maniacal course of destruction that has torn Aurora apart.

Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2177294/James-Holmes-broke-gir lfriend-just-Dark-Knight-Rises-shooting-spree-Colorado.html#ixzz21T5Tm x1q"


I mean, really. shiatty editing, or shiatty sensationalism, you decide.
 
2012-07-23 01:34:39 PM  

HotIgneous Intruder: Need_MindBleach: He was a 24-year-old male. Most 24-year-old males play video games. Implying video games may have inspired the shooting is like saying "He watched TV. Maybe that had something to do with it."

Motivations do not exist in a vacuum. He dressed as the Joker. Wonder where that came from?


List one way in which he was dressed as the Joker. Preferrably, provide a photograph of him as he was dressed, and compare it to an illustration of the Joker.
 
2012-07-23 01:34:43 PM  
Let's stop and be rational for a moment here. People play video games a lot and it's bound to influence their decision making over time.

e.g. During the 90's I was big into putting diapers on random people. Although I can hardly fault myself for this odd fetish seeing as how much Mortal Kombat I was playing at the time...Babalities just became a way of life to me.
 
2012-07-23 01:35:00 PM  

kingoomieiii: [i.dailymail.co.uk image 634x803]
Interests: Glimpses into Holmes' apartment show that he had a poster of the video game Soldiers of Misfortune

I don't play ANY paintball and I can see, with my eyes, that this is not a video game poster. Those are photographs. Of people playing Paintball.

The worst "news" publications in the US are really getting a run for their money in terms of the sheer awfulness of the Daily Mail.


Later in the article they state the poster is for "Soldiers of Destruction", which is even more fail since they have the picture right there and still got it wrong.

A simple google search shows that "Soldiers of Misfortune" is one of the Army Men games, and soldiers of Destruction is a book on the SS.

Good journalism there.
 
2012-07-23 01:36:15 PM  
Video games prove one thing, killing can be fun. They say nothing about ones ability to turn on and off their moral filters over reality and make believe.


//I believe Fred Rogers had exclusive say over those abilities.
 
2012-07-23 01:36:53 PM  
I have heard nothing of what type of music he listens to, so I can only assume what he listened to was socially acceptable. Like Taylor Swift, Justine Bizzil, Smooth Jazz and Christian Rock.
 
2012-07-23 01:37:12 PM  

Prank Call of Cthulhu: Celerian: Crazy dude looks crazy.


But he and his lawyer sure can rock out.

[i46.tinypic.com image 643x290]


I... I'm so sorry...

i45.tinypic.com
 
2012-07-23 01:37:14 PM  
i48.tinypic.com

He's too much.
 
2012-07-23 01:37:45 PM  
I've been playing first-person shooters for about 15 years now, and I haven't killed anybody. In fact, I can think of a few days where marathon sessions of Doom may have actually prevented a few homicides from taking place.

Chris Rock is right: "What happened to crazy?"
 
2012-07-23 01:37:47 PM  
farm8.staticflickr.com
 
2012-07-23 01:39:15 PM  

gretzkyscores: Also, I've notticed that there's been complete silence about any political beliefs this nut held. Given that he was a phd grad student, I'd bet my next paycheck that he's some kind of leftist and/or liberal, and if there were any evidence at all that he distrusted or disliked the government, we'd be treated to endless rejoinders and speculation about how this had to be part of his motive, and we'd move right along from "act I: video games" into "act II: conservative talk-radio" of the blame game.


Are you serious? This guy is a well-known right wing teabagger.
 
2012-07-23 01:39:21 PM  
eddievercetti: Blame everything but the shooter himself!

Of course they'll blame everyone but the shooter himself. It's human nature.

Humans like to think that everything happens for an explainable reason when it comes to horrific events like this. We want to justify it, and blame SOMETHING for being the impetus for it.

We don't like to face the fact that there are amoral, cruel, and quite-frankly insane people out there that will do something for no other reason than to watch people suffer.
 
2012-07-23 01:39:50 PM  

BronyMedic: Alpha Sierra Foxtrot: Or perhaps, "He enjoyed masturbation. That may have played a key factor."

Actually, the lack of masturbation could have played a factor.

Take a lesson from this, everyone. Go to the bathroom and rub one out now. For America!


My country needs me, FOR AMERICA!
 
2012-07-23 01:39:54 PM  

paygun: We need common sense restrictions on video games journalism.


FTFY
 
2012-07-23 01:40:22 PM  

HotIgneous Intruder: He was dressed as a copyrighted comic book character.
He'll never walk free again.


This is bugging me. Everyone is saying he was dressed as the Joker, and citing his red hair. Every version of the Joker that I've seen has had GREEN hair. He fails.
 
2012-07-23 01:40:29 PM  

Alpha Sierra Foxtrot: bigbadideasinaction: Thankfully for movie/comic fans, the fact Time-Warner and Disney own DC and Marvel respectively means that the superhero genre or comic medium won't be taking too much heat. These franchises are their cash cows now, and no way they're going to let their media subsidiaries put too much heat on them.

IT'S A CONSPIRACY!


It's not a conspiracy, it's business. Do you really think they wouldn't be running full-steam ahead otherwise when the guy freaking identified himself as "The Joker" upon arrest? DC and Marvel both have heavy hitters in their courts now, and comics are a lot less likely to be the media or government scapegoat with big money behind them.
 
2012-07-23 01:43:02 PM  
 
2012-07-23 01:44:14 PM  

I_C_Weener: namatad: Mugato: Even if video games were the reason he did this, given the millions of people who play video games without incident, it's a pretty good ratio.

nope
video games are not even CLOSE to correlated with this kind of behavior. IF violent video games caused violent crime in the real world, the number of violent crimes would have skyrocketed. Religion and political party are more correlated with violence than video games. so we should start by banning them.

LOL

Not once have I killed the hooker to get my money back.


How about twice?
 
2012-07-23 01:44:24 PM  

demonfaerie: As much as this sucked that so many people got hurt and died, but sometimes people are just mentally ill and snap to kill people. I know people want to find explanations why this sort of horrible things occur to prevent more, but sometimes you just can't. Sometimes people are just mentally ill, and don't get help. Maybe if we had better support, and better available free care for people who are mentally ill, there would be less crazy people doing mass shootings. I don't know even that would help. Plus I think the guy had more guts to do since there was in the news that Canada had a shooting. It seems like when someone snaps, and does a mass shootings; others that want to do the same follow after one person. It is like well if he can do it well damn it so can I! I also believe that how much this sucked, and we should try to prevent it, but at the same time we are probably living in a world with less violence in the past couple hundreds of years.


Some of those free programs do exist, but are shut down the minute a client does something stupid, which is inevitable. Then the 100s actually responding to these programs are left to the same fate.
 
2012-07-23 01:44:36 PM  
From a Related Article: "Ms Chambers spoke publicly after the brief televised court appearance, and said that she and her office would be seeking the death penalty or not."

Well, which is it?


Stop farking writing things, Daily Fail!
 
2012-07-23 01:45:27 PM  
It's just like Penn State.
It's a "culture" of violence spawned by these video games. They should all be banned.
 
2012-07-23 01:45:41 PM  

Celerian: Crazy dude looks crazy.

[i.dailymail.co.uk image 634x480]


Yep. I'm calling it: not guilty due to mental disease or defect, namely schizophrenia.

book it, done.
 
2012-07-23 01:46:33 PM  
Video games are not "special." They do not have any particularly different psychological effects than other hobbies. Some of these killers have gamed, while others have not. If there is any common thread between them all, it's a lack of social engagement, and nothing more. It could be argued that video games have not provided these people with social engagement, but that's true of any solitary hobby.

However, there is a lesson to be learned from these killers and their patterns, Some of these gamers have played online and some haven't: the online interactions don't seem to have made much difference. The implication is that online interactions do not provide all the benefits of social engagement, and therefore online gaming should be classed as a solitary hobby rather than a social one.

But this implication is nothing new either; anyone familiar with GIFT could have told you that. And the thing is, almost any solitary hobby can be made social. People who read gather in circles. People who watch shows or movies gather in clubs. Crafters of all types gather at shows and fairs. People who like role-playing gather into groups by necessity.

Gamers, too, have at times gathered: the LAN party, the tournament, the arcade, even the house of the friend next door. That doesn't happen so much anymore, and game makers have done nothing but encourage that. If there is anything they can do to improve the situation -anything they should be called on to do- it is this: bring back an emphasis on social gaming, with the understanding that this isn't online. Bring back local and LAN multiplayer options: features that are rapidly dying out in contemporary gaming. Revive the concept of the arcade. Foster local clubs and events. Get gamers back out there into the world, with this message: there is no substitute for being there.
 
2012-07-23 01:46:58 PM  
It's true. Video games provide terrible inspirations.

I adopted a small dog from the pound and decided it could be more. First thing I realized is that it was my slave, so I threw painted steel balls at it's head. After it tamed, I tried using lightning to make it evolve. Oh, the little critter tried to squirm away, but I got him pumped full of 2 million amps. Now he doesn't move and is starting to smell. I'm thinking I should've tossed him in a lake and gone for the water evolution.
 
2012-07-23 01:48:10 PM  
Where is the next Jack Thompson to tell us WoW is a murder simulator that takes griefing to the next level?
 
2012-07-23 01:48:31 PM  
If video games caused violence then there would be a shooting like this roughly 10 times a day in every state across the country.

Oh I know! Let's start a movement... where we blame football and organized sports, the culture of silence, the willingness to ignore... and blame that for all the drug abuse, violence, and even child molestation we can.
 
2012-07-23 01:48:50 PM  

Walker: Celerian: Crazy dude looks crazy.

[i.dailymail.co.uk image 634x480]

At least he's not smirking anymore. He did think he was in a movie. Maybe he got snapped back into reality from being locked up in solitary having to think about what he did and realizing it was all too real.


Seriously, seeing the footage today made me think he was having a "the fark did I do the other night?" moment or he's drugged out of his gourd, which isn't nearly as likely.
 
2012-07-23 01:49:21 PM  

Celerian: Crazy dude looks crazy.

[i.dailymail.co.uk image 634x480]


He looks closer to Heat Miser than he does to Joker.

Is he colorblind?
 
2012-07-23 01:50:16 PM  
It's hilarious that they mention WoW, which is a fantasy game and a boring one at that.
 
2012-07-23 01:50:40 PM  
People are missing the point. It's not the games themselves that are the cause of the violence.
It's the Heavy Metal music in the games that are causing all the violence!!

The DEVIL's MUSIC!!!!

/old skool!
 
2012-07-23 01:50:54 PM  

Dow Jones and the Temple of Doom: gretzkyscores: Also, I've notticed that there's been complete silence about any political beliefs this nut held. Given that he was a phd grad student, I'd bet my next paycheck that he's some kind of leftist and/or liberal, and if there were any evidence at all that he distrusted or disliked the government, we'd be treated to endless rejoinders and speculation about how this had to be part of his motive, and we'd move right along from "act I: video games" into "act II: conservative talk-radio" of the blame game.

Are you serious? This guy is a well-known right wing teabagger.


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I can't find anything indicating him leaning either way. Granted, I only spent about 10 minutes seaching, but that's because I don't really care enough to bother wasting any more time on it.
 
2012-07-23 01:51:20 PM  
The real question is why do people who play these games love violence so much?
 
2012-07-23 01:52:25 PM  

The Muthaship: Sounded like they were blaming losing his job and his girlfriend more than video games.

And I agree that those are more likely why he snapped. The video games just gave him ideas to use while snapped.


So he got 9-24 of his friends together in fancy outfits and killed dragons with swords and spells?
 
2012-07-23 01:52:33 PM  

chopit: Celerian: Crazy dude looks crazy.

[i.dailymail.co.uk image 634x480]

Yep. I'm calling it: not guilty due to mental disease or defect, namely schizophrenia.

book it, done.


Any way this goes, the only sure bet is that he will never see freedom again. A successful insanity plea would be worse than life or death in prison, IMO....
 
2012-07-23 01:52:38 PM  

Iblis824: I mean, really. shiatty editing, or shiatty sensationalism, you decide.


I always thought people were exagerating when they talked about how shiatty the dailmail's reporting was; now that I've seen it first hand on a topic here in the states I understand completely.
 
2012-07-23 01:52:48 PM  

HotIgneous Intruder: The real question is why do people who play these games love violence so much?


Because we're human?
 
2012-07-23 01:53:02 PM  

bigbadideasinaction: It's not a conspiracy, it's business. Do you really think they wouldn't be running full-steam ahead otherwise when the guy freaking identified himself as "The Joker" upon arrest? DC and Marvel both have heavy hitters in their courts now, and comics are a lot less likely to be the media or government scapegoat with big money behind them.


Not to mention that our shooter is in copyright violation.
That's why they didn't release the booking photo of The Joker.
 
2012-07-23 01:53:46 PM  

Millennium: The implication is that online interactions do not provide all the benefits of social engagement, and therefore online gaming should be classed as a solitary hobby rather than a social one.

.


I'd argue that it's depression and not the "lack" of social engagement. One can be depressed, be at a party and get 0 social engagement from the surroundings.

At the same time I have "met" people in game that I talk to every day in one medium or another and who I can say we have a definite social connection. Same with a few Farkers.

There are far deeper psychological issues here than social engagement.
 
2012-07-23 01:53:55 PM  

The Southern Dandy: HotIgneous Intruder: The real question is why do people who play these games love violence so much?

Because we're human?


If we love violence because we're human, why play video games? To kill time between wars?
 
2012-07-23 01:54:50 PM  

HotIgneous Intruder: The Southern Dandy: HotIgneous Intruder: The real question is why do people who play these games love violence so much?

Because we're human?

If we love violence because we're human, why play video games? To kill time between wars?


Because video aren't real, and nobody gets hurt.
 
2012-07-23 01:54:56 PM  

HotIgneous Intruder: That's why they didn't release the booking photo of The Joker.


Do we even know he was dressed as the Joker?
 
2012-07-23 01:55:27 PM  

Alpha Sierra Foxtrot: hasty ambush: I blame academia; he was Phd student.. Why didn't the school realize he was nuts and report it?

If such a thing as the irony gods exist, please let it be that he was getting his degree in mental health with a focus on anger management issues.


Neuroscience...
 
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