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2012-07-23 08:21:56 AM
"Sir, do you know how fast you were going back there?"

"Well, I think-"

"SHUT UP MAGGOT!!!"



/dnrtfa
 
2012-07-23 08:30:18 AM
Last I heard, the M.P. corp in the Army required a score of 95 on the entrance exam which was also an I.Q. test. I do not know if that is the same for the Marine Corp, though they used to attend the same training camp in Alabama.

But smart or not, they had some scary dudes in there.
 
2012-07-23 08:51:41 AM
The new additions come as every branch in the military is trying to show its flexibility and resourcefulness amid defense cuts.

Defense cuts? When did this happen?
 
2012-07-23 09:02:59 AM
i'm uncomfortable with using military forces as law enforcement. its a bad idea.
 
2012-07-23 09:24:10 AM
This is such a bad idea I don't even know where to start
 
2012-07-23 09:27:47 AM

Weaver95: i'm uncomfortable with using military forces as law enforcement. its a bad idea.


I'm more frightened by the way that civilian police forces seem to be getting more and more militarized themselves.
 
2012-07-23 09:40:52 AM

Weaver95: i'm uncomfortable with using military forces as law enforcement. its a bad idea.


My sister is an MP. There is a training set that the military and police share, but likewise, there are training procedures that go into police work that the line troops just don't receive.

Had we more police trained soldiers going into Afghanistan we might actually be able to try a good number of folks we've detained in Gitmo.

Using line troops for policing isn't a good idea. Having troops who ARE trained in proper police procedure and methods helping to train new police forces, I can get behind this.
 
vpb [TotalFark]
2012-07-23 09:41:33 AM

Weaver95: i'm uncomfortable with using military forces as law enforcement. its a bad idea.


Why? Do you think that the military doesn't have criminals?
 
2012-07-23 10:11:53 AM
And so it begins. Welcome to the police state.
 
2012-07-23 10:29:24 AM

vpb: Weaver95: i'm uncomfortable with using military forces as law enforcement. its a bad idea.

Why? Do you think that the military doesn't have criminals?


I think he thinks we're going to have the military roving the streets of our own country like in some zombie movie.

In his defense, it was a long article.
 
2012-07-23 11:18:35 AM

tomWright: Last I heard, the M.P. corp in the Army required a score of 95 on the entrance exam which was also an I.Q. test. I do not know if that is the same for the Marine Corp, though they used to attend the same training camp in Alabama.

But smart or not, they had some scary dudes in there.


First of all, it's "corps," (or Core if you're on Fark) and the ASVAB (Armed Services Vocational Aptitude Battery) is nothing like an IQ test. It's basically like the SATs written at an 8th grade level, with more of an emphasis on mechanical and electrical engineering, than Math or English.

A GT score in the Army is usually considered a basic indicator of intelligence, with the max being 140. A 140 GT score does not equal a 140 IQ. The Army average is 100. Most jobs that require some sort of thinking require a 110, or higher.
 
2012-07-23 11:30:59 AM
Weaver95: i'm uncomfortable with using military forces as law enforcement. its a bad idea.

You do realize that they aren't being used to police the citizenry of the United States, right? Posse Commitatus is still in effect.

Godscrack: And so it begins. Welcome to the police state.

Well, I see we have our first moron of the thread. Come on, people. Up the ante! Something about enforcing the UN Mandate to take our guns so Obama wins reelection!
 
2012-07-23 11:53:20 AM

BronyMedic: Weaver95: i'm uncomfortable with using military forces as law enforcement. its a bad idea.

You do realize that they aren't being used to police the citizenry of the United States, right? Posse Commitatus is still in effect.


OH I WAS SO WAITING FOR THIS POST

The Posse Comitatus Act solely prevents local law enforcement agencies from pressing military personnel into civilian law enforcement duties (i.e., get "deputized" and form a posse).

Link

Although, yes, in this case they're supposed to be training police organizations abroad, as well as police work in foreign locations.

I, personally, have no problem with it.

And I don't mean to jump on you just to be a dick, but there's a lot of tinfoil-wearing troglodytes that think this and immediately launch into how Obama's gonna take over the country or some other bullshiat. I'm just using your post as a launching pad, as it were.

...

I guess this is where the "The More You Know" star is supposed to shoot across everyone's screen, but alas...budget cuts. We had to lay it off.
 
2012-07-23 11:59:09 AM

xanadian: The Posse Comitatus Act


Ah, this law is linked to Posse Comitatus, and is actually the law that's SUPPOSED to limit the use of military personnel from being ordered by the President to act as local law enforcement.

Insurrection Act
 
2012-07-23 12:05:43 PM
...and now Wikipedia has sucked me in. AGAIN
 
2012-07-23 12:14:45 PM
to help investigate crimes from terrorism to drug trafficking

Any bets on whether or not enforcing the will of the MPAA ends up somewhere between terrorism and drug trafficking? Also we won't bother with the one billion people in china who violate every copyright and trademark they can make a penny off of.
 
2012-07-23 12:14:48 PM
As the son of a Air force Security Police officer, I'm getting a kick out of this.

If we want to prosecute captives in the war on terror, having troops trained as proper police and investigators is key.
 
2012-07-23 12:15:12 PM
A) This isn't anything new

B) It's only going to be an issue if they are deployed on US soil.
 
2012-07-23 12:15:21 PM

Weaver95: i'm uncomfortable with using military forces as law enforcement. its a bad idea.


Our police forces are so militarized at this point what's the difference. Pretty much just the color of the APC that will crush your house.
 
2012-07-23 12:16:38 PM
Do you mean the Navy?
 
2012-07-23 12:17:43 PM

Headso: Our police forces are so militarized at this point what's the difference. Pretty much just the color of the APC that will crush your house.


This is the scary part.

"We can't have soldiers be policemen for the average citizen...so we will make the policemen into soldiers!"
 
2012-07-23 12:21:35 PM
Fun Fact:

Posse Commitatus doesn't apply to the Department of the Navy, and therefore not to the USMC.

/the more you know...
 
2012-07-23 12:21:50 PM
When has the Tea Party ever had a problem with the military, regardless of what it's used for?

/Thatsthejoke.jpg
 
2012-07-23 12:23:28 PM

Testiclaw: Headso: Our police forces are so militarized at this point what's the difference. Pretty much just the color of the APC that will crush your house.

This is the scary part.

"We can't have soldiers be policemen for the average citizen...so we will make the policemen into soldiers!"


www.dollarvigilante.com
For the domestic abuse calls, obviously.
 
2012-07-23 12:23:58 PM

doyner: Fun Fact:

Posse Commitatus doesn't apply to the Department of the Navy, and therefore not to the USMC.

/the more you know...


Orly? That's fascinating.
 
2012-07-23 12:24:34 PM

Epoch_Zero: Testiclaw: Headso: Our police forces are so militarized at this point what's the difference. Pretty much just the color of the APC that will crush your house.

This is the scary part.

"We can't have soldiers be policemen for the average citizen...so we will make the policemen into soldiers!"

[www.dollarvigilante.com image 550x363]
For the domestic abuse calls, obviously.


The police have got themselves an RV.
 
2012-07-23 12:24:45 PM
The US Marine Corps has created its first law enforcement battalions. Just wait until the Tea Party hears of THIS

They should be overjoyed. Conservatives LOVE the "America, World Police" idea.
 
2012-07-23 12:27:04 PM
I thought Marines were used to kill people and break stuff, not police the world.

America, fark yeah!
 
2012-07-23 12:28:24 PM

Weaver95: i'm uncomfortable with using military forces as law enforcement. its a bad idea.


These aren't for civilian policing. It's basically like they have in the Army already, from what I understand, or with the Shore Patrol in the Navy. Their primary duties will be on-base or overseas.
 
2012-07-23 12:29:12 PM
The application as explained in TFA is to investigate crimes on a global scale. Sort of like a heavily armed INTERPOL extension. As with all peacetime deployments, these troops would be considered regular forces and would have to be invited to assist military policing operations by the host countries.

The Constitution explicitly bans military law enforcement in the US absent the institution of martial law. This just says to me basically the same as "USMC chooses new hat, boots."
 
2012-07-23 12:30:05 PM

Weaver95: i'm uncomfortable with using military forces as law enforcement. its a bad idea.


we're all teabaggers now
 
2012-07-23 12:30:20 PM

qorkfiend: doyner: Fun Fact:

Posse Commitatus doesn't apply to the Department of the Navy, and therefore not to the USMC.

/the more you know...

Orly? That's fascinating.


I know, right?
 
2012-07-23 12:31:20 PM

WMCB: The Constitution explicitly bans military law enforcement in the US absent the institution of martial law.


Or disaster. The Army was used to go door to door and kick people out of their houses during Katrina. It was probably the best thing for them, but it was upsetting.
 
2012-07-23 12:32:29 PM

Sgt Otter: tomWright: Last I heard, the M.P. corp ...

First of all, it's "corps," (or Core if you're on Fark) and the ASVAB (Armed Services Vocational Aptitude Battery) is nothing like an IQ test. It's basically like the SATs written at an 8th grade level, with more of an emphasis on mechanical and electrical engineering, than Math or English.

A GT score in the Army is usually considered a basic indicator of intelligence, with the max being 140. A 140 GT score does not equal a 140 IQ. The Army average is 100. Most jobs that require some sort of thinking require a 110, or higher.


Thanks for the correction, I forgot the s. I rely on spell check far too much, that was not flagged

When I took the ASVAB in the mid 70's it was a qualifier for entry to MENSA, which requires a score at or above the 98th percentile on any standard IQ test. I do not know what the current status of the current ASVAB is regarding whether it is an IQ test or an achievement test as the current SAT is. I do not even know if the military entrance exam is still called ASVAB.

The requirement for MP at the time was a score at or above 95 which was about 1.5 standard deviations, IIRC. I am not checking my math here. I qualified for the MP's at the time and was offered the chance to go to USAMAPS as well. I ended up declining both. (With an Honorable).

Most IQ tests are normalized so that 100 is the average score. They are also normalized for age, as people in different age ranges score differently as well.

Using rounding, 98th percentile marks 2 standard deviations away from a norm of 100 or roughly from 131-145, where you enter 3 standard deviation territory. Each range of roughly 15 represents another standard deviation above or below. So 115 marks one SD, 130 marks 2 SD, etc. again, that is roughly rounded. Stats/math geeks here can give more precise explanations if they want to.
 
2012-07-23 12:33:13 PM

Epoch_Zero: WMCB: The Constitution explicitly bans military law enforcement in the US absent the institution of martial law.

Or disaster. The Army was used to go door to door and kick people out of their houses during Katrina. It was probably the best thing for them, but it was upsetting.


Wasn't aware of this. I was in Afghanistan kicking people out of their houses during Katrina.
 
2012-07-23 12:34:19 PM

WMCB: The Constitution explicitly bans military law enforcement in the US absent the institution of martial law.


There's various laws on the subject, but I don't think the Constitution mentions much about the military beyond that there can be one, all appropriations for it are for 2 years max, the President's the Commander in Chief, and the 3rd amendment. What article and section are you referring to?
 
2012-07-23 12:35:28 PM

WMCB: The Constitution explicitly bans military law enforcement in the US absent the institution of martial law.


Actually it does not. Martial law is never directly referenced in the Constitution. (The closest it comes is that Congress can suspend the Writ Of Habeus Corpus in times of insurrection or invasion). The use of the military to enforce law is not mentioned either.
 
2012-07-23 12:36:29 PM

WMCB: Epoch_Zero: WMCB: The Constitution explicitly bans military law enforcement in the US absent the institution of martial law.

Or disaster. The Army was used to go door to door and kick people out of their houses during Katrina. It was probably the best thing for them, but it was upsetting.

Wasn't aware of this. I was in Afghanistan kicking people out of their houses during Katrina.


I think he's thinking of the National Guard, rather then the army. The National guard can freely operate domestically. He'll, that's half the point of having them.
 
2012-07-23 12:37:51 PM

WMCB: Epoch_Zero: WMCB: The Constitution explicitly bans military law enforcement in the US absent the institution of martial law.

Or disaster. The Army was used to go door to door and kick people out of their houses during Katrina. It was probably the best thing for them, but it was upsetting.

Wasn't aware of this. I was in Afghanistan kicking people out of their houses during Katrina.


Why would you have needed to kick Afghanis out of their houses during Katrina? I thought the flooding was mostly in New Orleans.
 
2012-07-23 12:39:38 PM

Weaver95: i'm uncomfortable with using military forces as law enforcement. its a bad idea.


It's illegal under the Posse Comitatus Act.

Others have mentioned it, I'll just repeat it.

The ONLY exemption to Posse Comitatus I know of is that National Guard members, when serving in a State (not Federal) capacity can enforce the law, but only with explicit written orders authorizing it from the governor of the State they are in and under the direction of their state Governor. It's intended to allow Guardsmen to restore order after a disaster or riot. It's seldom invoked, and note that in no way can they perform under Federal direction in this capacity.

Note that rules out the USMC. This is no different than the various Military Police Battalions the Army has.

Calm down, chill out, and loosen the tinfoil hat.
 
2012-07-23 12:41:37 PM
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2012-07-23 12:42:55 PM

Dr Dreidel: WMCB: Epoch_Zero: WMCB: The Constitution explicitly bans military law enforcement in the US absent the institution of martial law.

Or disaster. The Army was used to go door to door and kick people out of their houses during Katrina. It was probably the best thing for them, but it was upsetting.

Wasn't aware of this. I was in Afghanistan kicking people out of their houses during Katrina. (glad you're home safe.)

Why would you have needed to kick Afghanis out of their houses during Katrina? I thought the flooding was mostly in New Orleans.


"If 'murkans hafta leave our homes, so doe' evbuddy else!"
 
2012-07-23 12:43:52 PM
Oh sure. Let's wast another million metric shiat-tons of money.
Because we desperately need Marine Corps military police officers.
To keep us free.
Because freedom isn't free.
Don't like it? We'll put a boot in your ass.
 
2012-07-23 12:51:15 PM
Remember when this was just a conspiracy?
 
2012-07-23 12:57:44 PM
I got news last week that London had used military personnel to do police work for the Olympics and i gotta say, I'm o.k. with this.

with the state and local cuts affecting our regular police, It's a comforting cushion to know that the soldiers would have training as police rather than simply throwing the them out on the streets as soldiers.
 
2012-07-23 12:58:43 PM

Isitoveryet: I got news last week that London had used military personnel to do police work for the Olympics and i gotta say, I'm o.k. with this.


I'm kind of stunned that England doesn't follow the US Constitution, myself.
 
2012-07-23 01:00:36 PM
Since they will more likely be used against the Occupy movement than the Teahadists I think the Tea Party will be quite pleased with this.
 
2012-07-23 01:05:15 PM

BronyMedic: Well, I see we have our first moron of the thread.


Don't be so hard on yourself. How do those badges taste?
 
2012-07-23 01:05:36 PM
I know this is fark and nobody reads tfa but all this is a renaming and reclassified of personnel. There are mp and the are at the company level and attached to other units. Now they have their own battalion. Jesus I was attached to a unit of Marine out of Pittsburg in al Qaim Iraq (still got their unit shirt).
 
2012-07-23 01:06:28 PM
Epoch_Zero: For the domestic abuse calls, obviously.

That's an M117, right? The APC that couldn't stop a 30-06 slug because ITS ARMORED IN FREAKING ALUMINUM?!

/The funny thing is that's an armored ambulance version. They're meant to enter under gunfire and provide cover for tactical team members and paramedics who are rendering aid to wounded.
 
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