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(Shadowlocked)   Steven Moffat doesn't care if you've directed four Harry Potter movies; still won't let you make a Doctor Who movie out of continuity with the show   (shadowlocked.com) divider line 92
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2012-07-23 07:07:52 AM  
Not making movie out of continuity with the show should be either amazingly easy or impossibly difficult. And I can't decide which.
 
2012-07-23 08:13:14 AM  
It's Yates, so it'll probably be good. But it's out of canon, so it'll probably suck.

Not sure if like.
 
2012-07-23 08:35:02 AM  
Due to the BBC's charter, you can't make a film in continuity unless you give it away for free in the UK. Which, given the popularity of the Doctor abroad, is a viable business model.

Still, the last time they tried this we got Grand Moff Doctor and the multi-colored Daleks everybody decided they hate 40-something years later. And holy shiat, the 50th is going to be farking crazy, isn't it.
 
2012-07-23 09:30:21 AM  
The Yates Harry Potter movie sucked.
 
2012-07-23 09:54:22 AM  
So how do you prove a Doctor Who movie is out of continuity? I mean, as long as you don't release it mid-season in the middle of a two-part episode you can pretty much do whatever the hell you want.
 
2012-07-23 10:11:03 AM  

incendi: So how do you prove a Doctor Who movie is out of continuity?


Essentially, it means you can't use companions from the show, you can't reference plot points from the show, and conversely, the show can't reference things that happened in the film.
 
2012-07-23 10:11:21 AM  
Moffat and continuity? Seriously? The man doesn't even know what that word means.
 
2012-07-23 10:18:45 AM  

adamgreeney: Moffat and continuity? Seriously? The man doesn't even know what that word means.


To be fair, he's writing Doctor Who. Continuity is the Doctor's worst enemy. The long-running success of the show is due the fact that the writers are free to chuck continuity out the window whenever it gets inconvenient.
 
2012-07-23 10:33:22 AM  
Could be a parallel universe Dr. Who to avoid continuity - I mean we know its almost impossible to travel between universes unless you're Rose Tyler.

/ Problem Whovian purists?
 
2012-07-23 10:35:52 AM  

t3knomanser: adamgreeney: Moffat and continuity? Seriously? The man doesn't even know what that word means.

To be fair, he's writing Doctor Who. Continuity is the Doctor's worst enemy. The long-running success of the show is due the fact that the writers are free to chuck continuity out the window whenever it gets inconvenient.


I agree, but Moffat's plots and lines are jumbled messes that seem to based around the idea that they can just go back and rewrite the everything in the last episode to try and cram in an "ending."
 
2012-07-23 10:37:21 AM  

adamgreeney: I agree, but Moffat's plots and lines are jumbled messes that seem to based around the idea that they can just go back and rewrite the everything in the last episode to try and cram in an "ending."


Which I'll still take over the RTD "we run around alot, blurt technobabble, and then hit the big shiny reset button to conclude the plot." I will grant that the Moffat era episodes have been far from perfect, but I'm enjoying them much more than the latter-day RTD stuff.
 
2012-07-23 10:50:51 AM  
So, wait...we've turned on Moff now? Goddammit, cool kids, stop being so fickle - I can't keep up with who I'm supposed to be hating on.
 
2012-07-23 10:52:19 AM  

t3knomanser: adamgreeney: I agree, but Moffat's plots and lines are jumbled messes that seem to based around the idea that they can just go back and rewrite the everything in the last episode to try and cram in an "ending."

Which I'll still take over the RTD "we run around alot, blurt technobabble, and then hit the big shiny reset button to conclude the plot." I will grant that the Moffat era episodes have been far from perfect, but I'm enjoying them much more than the latter-day RTD stuff.


But the RTD stuff had heart, emotional resonance, character development on a significant level, and a much richer continuity. There was a lot there in that world, and Moffat seems lost and ineffective.
 
2012-07-23 10:54:16 AM  
So you just decide to make a movie about someone else's trademarked characters? Do he know what lawyers do?

/I'm on Moffitt's side
 
2012-07-23 10:55:11 AM  
Inspector Spacetime franchise, anyone?
 
2012-07-23 10:55:18 AM  
Paul McGann was the best doctor.
 
2012-07-23 10:56:15 AM  

adamgreeney: But the RTD stuff had heart, emotional resonance, character development on a significant level, and a much richer continuity


I will grant that the Doctor changed is RTD's hands. That's character development, although I think it was terrible what they did to Tennant's Doctor. As for emotional resonance, having Tennant make sad-faces a few times an episode does not have "emotional resonance".
 
2012-07-23 10:56:23 AM  

t3knomanser: adamgreeney: Moffat and continuity? Seriously? The man doesn't even know what that word means.

To be fair, he's writing Doctor Who. Continuity is the Doctor's worst enemy. The long-running success of the show is due the fact that the writers are free to chuck continuity out the window whenever it gets inconvenient.


Also known as Big Bang 2.0.
 
2012-07-23 10:56:25 AM  

adamgreeney: t3knomanser: adamgreeney: Moffat and continuity? Seriously? The man doesn't even know what that word means.

To be fair, he's writing Doctor Who. Continuity is the Doctor's worst enemy. The long-running success of the show is due the fact that the writers are free to chuck continuity out the window whenever it gets inconvenient.

I agree, but Moffat's plots and lines are jumbled messes that seem to based around the idea that they can just go back and rewrite the everything in the last episode to try and cram in an "ending."


If you're referring to River Song I suggest you go back and re-watch the series with an eye towards the subtle.
 
2012-07-23 10:57:48 AM  

BalugaJoe: Paul McGann was the best doctor.


RexTalionis: The Yates Harry Potter movie sucked.


images.sodahead.com
 
2012-07-23 10:58:55 AM  

t3knomanser: incendi: So how do you prove a Doctor Who movie is out of continuity?

Essentially, it means you can't use companions from the show, you can't reference plot points from the show, and conversely, the show can't reference things that happened in the film.


Re-Boot, the story has already been written so it would be easy, you could focus on a story during the war.

The Doctor finds the Tardis in a museum, takes off.
 
2012-07-23 11:07:22 AM  
Watch out Mr. Yates if Steven Moffat offers you a bowler hat. He might hire this guy to dig a hole.
www.thedoctorwhosite.co.uk
starguidemehome.files.wordpress.com
 
2012-07-23 11:10:10 AM  

adamgreeney: But the RTD stuff had heart, emotional resonance, character development on a significant level, and a much richer continuity.


And teeth. So, so many teeth.

25.media.tumblr.com
 
2012-07-23 11:12:36 AM  

BalugaJoe: Paul McGann was the best doctor.



*Checking sarcasm detector* Oh ok.....It's working.
 
2012-07-23 11:18:18 AM  
technically speaking, you could make a movie in canon by simply using a previous (or future) doctor. it doesn't have to be a story from the show's current time point.

presumably, there are things that happen between episodes.

i would suggest that they write out a script, and the next time they're planning on changing actors they start that doctor filming the movie as they wind down the current incarnation. then they could introduce the new doctor in the movie, and have it become able to be referenced in future episodes. that would make it integrate with the show easily.

but if they didn't want to do that, they could see if tennant wanted to do a movie, and just place it in his continuity somewhere.
 
2012-07-23 11:19:45 AM  
Uh, how about just start with Jenny, the Doctor's Daughter? You've then got a Timelord to do with as you like. (So technically not the Dr., but...)
 
2012-07-23 11:26:40 AM  
Since when is directing a Harry Potter movie a designation of quality?
 
2012-07-23 11:33:47 AM  

incendi: So how do you prove a Doctor Who movie is out of continuity? I mean, as long as you don't release it mid-season in the middle of a two-part episode you can pretty much do whatever the hell you want.


Anime has done it with many of their series (Cowboy Bebop being one of them); so it can be done.
 
2012-07-23 11:35:11 AM  

Mayhem of the Black Underclass: Uh, how about just start with Jenny, the Doctor's Daughter? You've then got a Timelord to do with as you like. (So technically not the Dr., but...)


NO! NONONONONONO! I will NOT sit through the Mary-est Sue who ever Mary Sued.

Gods, she sucked!

If they want a female Doctor, they can have the real Doctor regenerate.
 
2012-07-23 11:37:04 AM  

t3knomanser: Which I'll still take over the RTD "we run around alot, blurt technobabble, and then hit the big shiny reset button to conclude the plot." I will grant that the Moffat era episodes have been far from perfect, but I'm enjoying them much more than the latter-day RTD stuff.


Re: RTD. You forgot, "Have the Doctor whinge a lot."

Enjoying Moffatt tons more than RTD, at least he treats the Doctor as an alien and not a character in a soap opera.
 
2012-07-23 11:40:04 AM  

burndtdan: technically speaking, you could make a movie in canon by simply using a previous (or future) doctor. it doesn't have to be a story from the show's current time point.

presumably, there are things that happen between episodes.

i would suggest that they write out a script, and the next time they're planning on changing actors they start that doctor filming the movie as they wind down the current incarnation. then they could introduce the new doctor in the movie, and have it become able to be referenced in future episodes. that would make it integrate with the show easily.

but if they didn't want to do that, they could see if tennant wanted to do a movie, and just place it in his continuity somewhere.


My suggestion would be to get McGann back and do the Time War story. The reason that movie didn't do well wasn't because of him so much as horrid writing, and Roberts acting.
 
2012-07-23 11:43:58 AM  
It would have helped if the director had not been so dismissive of what RTD and Moffat had done with the series in the first place:

Link

"We're looking at writers now. We're going to spend two to three years to get it right," he said. "It needs quite a radical transformation to take it into the bigger arena."

Yates and producer Jane Tranter are currently looking at writers in the UK and the US even though Doctor Who has always been a British TV series. However, the "British sensibility" won't be lost, "but having said that," notes Yates, "Steve Kloves wrote the Potter films and captured that British sensibility perfectly, so we are looking at American writers too."


Link

"Russell T. Davies and then Steven Moffat have done their own transformations, which were fantastic, but we have to put that aside and start from scratch," he said.

So, Yates is trying to "Hollywood-ize" the Doctor.

Since that worked for well for them in 1996.
 
2012-07-23 11:49:44 AM  
They could do a movie of The Time War.

I'm not saying it would be good, but they could.
 
2012-07-23 11:55:38 AM  
It could be like the books, audio plays, comic strip, short stories. The books use the series and other books as continuity, but it's officially a one-way street. The TV series doesn't incorporate them into continuity (and is prohibited by the BBC charter from doing so) -- although Moffatt has made some of the stuff he wrote into de facto cannon ("Continuity Errors" but not "Curse of the Fatal Death"), and various Doctor Who writers have adopted stuff from books. A film could, for example, re-cast a prior Doctor [calm down; even the series itself did that in "The Five Doctors" and for a moment in "Time and the Rani"], and tell a story from between the televised adventures. The adventures of the First Doctor and Susan before they arrived on Totter's Lane; the Second Doctor's travels in Season 6B, the Sixth Doctor meeting Mel, the Seventh Doctor's years between "Survival" and the TV movie, the Eighth Doctor before the Time War; the Ninth Doctor's various adventures after the Time War and before meeting Rose (going to Dallas while 1 was leaving Totter's Lane and Six was arriving, seeing off the original Titanic, watching Krakatoa explode while a Silence and Edvard Munch are on a dock far away).
 
2012-07-23 11:56:46 AM  

RexTalionis: The Yates Harry Potter movie sucked.


HP 5 sucked out loud. It watches more like a highlight reel or some bored idiot skipping ahead with a remote than a coherent film. The only saving grace is the spectacular wizard's duel at the end. HP 6 wasn't much better at that.

/No, I don't want Yates to put his hands anywhere hear Dr. Who
 
2012-07-23 11:58:52 AM  

Rwa2play: incendi: So how do you prove a Doctor Who movie is out of continuity? I mean, as long as you don't release it mid-season in the middle of a two-part episode you can pretty much do whatever the hell you want.

Anime has done it with many of their series (Cowboy Bebop being one of them); so it can be done.


Cowboy Bebop movie is actually in continuity and is supposed to take place between two of the later episodes. And most other movies not in continuity aren't very good, like the stupid Macross DYRL and Eureka Seven movies.
 
2012-07-23 11:59:42 AM  

DjangoStonereaver: They could do a movie of The Time War.
I'm not saying it would be good, but they could.


No, please don't give them ideas like that. The Time War is best left ambiguous, and something beyond human comprehension. I'm not saying that fleeting glances of moments in the Time War would not necessarily be bad, though.
 
2012-07-23 11:59:50 AM  
Speaking of out-of-continuity Doctor Whoage, has anybody been reading the IDW Star Trek/Doctor Who crossover? It's firmly into so-bad-it's-good territory. Fan-service of the most schlocky sort- complete with Captain Kirk doing a flying drop-kick on a Cyberman.
 
2012-07-23 12:00:02 PM  
I thought it was some kind of sacred precept within the Doctor Who community, including the producers: other than fanworks, everything is canon.

But given that this is the series that freaking invented the Timey Wimey Ball, I don't see any real difficulty in doing a movie within continuity, if need be. Set it within a frame story that metaphysically shifts the souls of everyone in the current series to the far future time of the 144th Doctor or something (the mere fact of Whose existence will eventually require some form of explanation, but this can easily be put off for decades or more), such that they're the souls of the current series operating in the bodies represented by the movie's actors. At the end off the frame story, the metaphysical shift is undone, such that while this did indeed happen, it will be so far into the Doctor's subjective timeline that it need not matter until long after anyone has ceased to care, unless the creators of the series decide to make it matter sooner than that. The bodies of the actors can then be explained away by whoever is actually playing the Doctor and associated characters at that point.
 
2012-07-23 12:05:44 PM  

t3knomanser: Speaking of out-of-continuity Doctor Whoage, has anybody been reading the IDW Star Trek/Doctor Who crossover?


Two great tastes that don't taste great together.
 
2012-07-23 12:07:25 PM  

RexTalionis: The Yates Harry Potter movie sucked.


So very much this. He only got them because he was english. Alfonso Cuaron's was stilll the best (Prisoner of Askaban)
 
2012-07-23 12:10:59 PM  

HopScotchNSoda: DjangoStonereaver: They could do a movie of The Time War.
I'm not saying it would be good, but they could.

No, please don't give them ideas like that. The Time War is best left ambiguous, and something beyond human comprehension. I'm not saying that fleeting glances of moments in the Time War would not necessarily be bad, though.


Believe me, I am 100% with you.

But, if they had to do a movie and wanted to fit it into the show's continuity, they could get Paul
McGann (who is officially the 8th Doctor as per the BBC) to have a story that isn't the awful 1996 US
TV movie and maybe show how he regenerated into Christopher Eccleston (though I doubt
Eccleston would do it).
 
2012-07-23 12:11:12 PM  

Millennium: I thought it was some kind of sacred precept within the Doctor Who community, including the producers: other than fanworks, everything is canon.


Moffatt has said that even fanfic should be included. -- Meanwhile, though, he himself wrote "Curse of the Fatal Death" which he certainly doesn't treat as canonical, unless he mentally retcons that to not be about the Ninth-Thirteenth Doctors but instead about the 20th-24th Doctors or some other future set who haven't happened yet. Moreover, Saffy wasn't willing to chow down on the Thirteenth (Patsy) Doctor, which is hardly in keeping with the post-2005 Whovian dogma that everyone is bi, so if she loved the Ninth, Tenth, & Twelfth Doctors, she shouldn't mind that his strong meaty pole has been replaced by roast beef curtains.
 
2012-07-23 12:54:54 PM  
Why make a movie, unless they are going to show Tits and Ass?
 
2012-07-23 01:04:21 PM  
Good, nobody wants another one of these

img823.imageshack.us


Hell, even this

img19.imageshack.us

is only barely acceptable.


/half human my ass.
 
2012-07-23 01:12:04 PM  

Snapper Carr: Good, nobody wants another one of these


I never knew Alex Trebec did a stint as the Doctor...
 
2012-07-23 01:20:28 PM  

Snapper Carr: Hell, even this

img19.imageshack.us

is only barely acceptable.


/half human my ass.


Hey now, it's not McGann's fault the writers blew donkey schlong. He did fine with what he had to work with. I'm also told he's done pretty good as the 8th Doctor in the audio books.
 
2012-07-23 01:30:15 PM  

DjangoStonereaver: HopScotchNSoda: DjangoStonereaver: They could do a movie of The Time War.
I'm not saying it would be good, but they could.

No, please don't give them ideas like that. The Time War is best left ambiguous, and something beyond human comprehension. I'm not saying that fleeting glances of moments in the Time War would not necessarily be bad, though.

Believe me, I am 100% with you.


Preach it brother, preach it.

Bowships,
Black Hole Carriers,
N-Forms,
The full might of the Deathsmiths of Goth,
The Skaro Degradations,
The Horde of Travesties,
The Nightmare Child,
The Could-Have-Been King with his army of Meanwhiles and Never-Weres

A dman sight scarier left to the imagination than done with some cheap looking CGI.

/Dalton was great as Rassilon
//McCoy the best Doctor
 
2012-07-23 01:44:40 PM  

KiplingKat872: t3knomanser: Which I'll still take over the RTD "we run around alot, blurt technobabble, and then hit the big shiny reset button to conclude the plot." I will grant that the Moffat era episodes have been far from perfect, but I'm enjoying them much more than the latter-day RTD stuff.

Re: RTD. You forgot, "Have the Doctor whinge a lot."

Enjoying Moffatt tons more than RTD, at least he treats the Doctor as an alien and not a character in a soap opera.


This, and Moffat is amazing writer. I will agree the last season wasn't as good as the first season with Smith, but it was still 10 xs more better than all the last 4 Doctor Who specials Tennant had to do. Those were god awful. I liked Tennant at first, but he grew tiring, because of how farking emo he got about Rose, and not wanting to die. I actually had no problem with Rose until after she left, and he longed for her. RTD isn't bad but he knows how to kick shiat in the ground, and ruin a good idea. Moffat at least knows how to use things sparingly, and not to over use it. He hasn't over used the Daleks, and I know he might be with River Song. However, that might be over now, because of how last season went down. Moffat's two seasons are better at least half of RTD did. The only thing I don't get with Moffat is making the Doctor ok with guns, when he was so against them. He is ok with River song using them, but he never did before. Maybe it was because of the end before he regenerated he had to actually use a real gun. I'm not sure, but I am probably over thinking it.

/If they have to do a Doctor Who movie, at least do it in the continuity with the 9th Doctor, because Eccleston was awesome.
 
2012-07-23 01:51:56 PM  

demonfaerie: Moffat at least knows how to use things sparingly, and not to over use it


*cough*Weeping Angels*cough*

Regarding the Daleks, Moffat has gone a long way to helping restore their menace. While "Victory of the Daleks" wasn't a terribly great episode, it had one merit: the Daleks won. For the first time since "Dalek", there's an element of threat to the Daleks again.
 
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