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2012-07-23 01:56:40 PM  
Kate Austen from LOST: I got whiplash following her character arc. One minute she's about to blow off Aldo's leg if he doesn't cough up the info they need, the next it's "Jack.....*sob*...Jack...Jack....*sob*....*sob*......Jack!!!!". She became even less relevant when Juliet became a leading character. But hey, at least Kate made it in the soft-focus glowy after-life with Jack, at least she liked him unlike some of the other people there (John, Charlie).

/Bitter about seasons 5 & 6
//So very very bitter

Will Schuester from Glee: I'm the weirdest Gleek out there because I skip over all the musical bits, can't stand Sue or any of the adults, I just want the show to focus on the students. It's funny to see people get all misty-eyed about season 1 as a way to bash seasons 2 & 3, but most of what I remember from season 1 is Will's marriage breaking up, which had me reaching for the DVR remote FF button every time. Now they've dragged out the thing with Emma for almost two seasons and.....stop it. Just...stop with the Will personal life stuff.
 
2012-07-23 02:16:08 PM  
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Still quite usefull! Bring bach Zach!!!
 
2012-07-23 02:19:50 PM  

Tom_Slick: bhcompy: Outlived his usefulness before he even appeared on the show

but they handled it well they sent him upstairs never to be heard from again.


Richie Cunningham's brother?
 
2012-07-23 02:34:30 PM  

Need_MindBleach: All super-hero shows tend to go down this same path. They like to ramp up the scale of the superpowers, so after a while you have multiple characters with godlike powers, and the show just isn't interesting anymore. It's boring when the characters could solve each and every problem by using their near-omnipotent powers, and they only don't for pure plot reasons, leaving gigantic plot holes.

Personally, I'd love it if someone tried a super-power themed show again, but with very. limited. powers. And no goddamn time travel!
And here's another problem with superhero shows: Their superpower becomes every character's main and most interesting trait. Watching Heroes, you'd wonder how other shows manage to craft interesting and distinctive characters without any superpowers at all. Shows like Heroes get to the point where every last character has to have a superpower, or else they're not interesting. That's just poor writing.


Sylar, more than any other character, embodied everything that was wrong with the show. He was way too powerful. His was initially supposed to die at the end of the first season, but the studio caved to his popularity. He motivations changed between episodes as the series went on.

The original idea of Heroes was full of potential: People with super-powers acting in the "real world", with the cast changing each season. As the show went on, damn near every character became super-powered.

I think the closest we'll get to another shot at the premise is Alphas (which happens to start back up again tonight). So far, they're at least treating the super-powers in limited ways, and trying to keep things somewhat grounded in "reality".
 
2012-07-23 02:35:36 PM  

Madbassist1: Tom_Slick: bhcompy: Outlived his usefulness before he even appeared on the show

but they handled it well they sent him upstairs never to be heard from again.

Richie Cunningham's brother?


Didn't one of the characters from Family Matters get grounded for like five years, or something?
 
2012-07-23 02:40:11 PM  

NeoCortex42: Madbassist1: Tom_Slick: bhcompy: Outlived his usefulness before he even appeared on the show

but they handled it well they sent him upstairs never to be heard from again.

Richie Cunningham's brother?

Didn't one of the characters from Family Matters get grounded for like five years, or something?


My mom once mentioned that, on a soap she watched, there was a character who went upstairs to the attic to get ski equipment, and was never heard from again. Several years later, other characters went up to the same attic for some reason, and the set builders put a skeleton covered in ski equipment in the shot.
 
2012-07-23 02:41:31 PM  

NeoCortex42: Need_MindBleach: All super-hero shows tend to go down this same path. They like to ramp up the scale of the superpowers, so after a while you have multiple characters with godlike powers, and the show just isn't interesting anymore. It's boring when the characters could solve each and every problem by using their near-omnipotent powers, and they only don't for pure plot reasons, leaving gigantic plot holes.

Personally, I'd love it if someone tried a super-power themed show again, but with very. limited. powers. And no goddamn time travel!
And here's another problem with superhero shows: Their superpower becomes every character's main and most interesting trait. Watching Heroes, you'd wonder how other shows manage to craft interesting and distinctive characters without any superpowers at all. Shows like Heroes get to the point where every last character has to have a superpower, or else they're not interesting. That's just poor writing.

Sylar, more than any other character, embodied everything that was wrong with the show. He was way too powerful. His was initially supposed to die at the end of the first season, but the studio caved to his popularity. He motivations changed between episodes as the series went on.

The original idea of Heroes was full of potential: People with super-powers acting in the "real world", with the cast changing each season. As the show went on, damn near every character became super-powered.

I think the closest we'll get to another shot at the premise is Alphas (which happens to start back up again tonight). So far, they're at least treating the super-powers in limited ways, and trying to keep things somewhat grounded in "reality".


Isn't that what Syfy's show "Alphas" is about? I haven't checked out the show yet due to other things going on, but I've heard it's ok.
 
2012-07-23 02:44:47 PM  

BKITU: NeoCortex42: Madbassist1: Tom_Slick: bhcompy: Outlived his usefulness before he even appeared on the show

but they handled it well they sent him upstairs never to be heard from again.

Richie Cunningham's brother?

Didn't one of the characters from Family Matters get grounded for like five years, or something?

My mom once mentioned that, on a soap she watched, there was a character who went upstairs to the attic to get ski equipment, and was never heard from again. Several years later, other characters went up to the same attic for some reason, and the set builders put a skeleton covered in ski equipment in the shot.


Looks like it was a 1970 episode of All My Children.

...And now I'm trapped on TV Tropes.
 
2012-07-23 02:48:10 PM  

rickycal78: NeoCortex42: Need_MindBleach: All super-hero shows tend to go down this same path. They like to ramp up the scale of the superpowers, so after a while you have multiple characters with godlike powers, and the show just isn't interesting anymore. It's boring when the characters could solve each and every problem by using their near-omnipotent powers, and they only don't for pure plot reasons, leaving gigantic plot holes.

Personally, I'd love it if someone tried a super-power themed show again, but with very. limited. powers. And no goddamn time travel!
And here's another problem with superhero shows: Their superpower becomes every character's main and most interesting trait. Watching Heroes, you'd wonder how other shows manage to craft interesting and distinctive characters without any superpowers at all. Shows like Heroes get to the point where every last character has to have a superpower, or else they're not interesting. That's just poor writing.

Sylar, more than any other character, embodied everything that was wrong with the show. He was way too powerful. His was initially supposed to die at the end of the first season, but the studio caved to his popularity. He motivations changed between episodes as the series went on.

The original idea of Heroes was full of potential: People with super-powers acting in the "real world", with the cast changing each season. As the show went on, damn near every character became super-powered.

I think the closest we'll get to another shot at the premise is Alphas (which happens to start back up again tonight). So far, they're at least treating the super-powers in limited ways, and trying to keep things somewhat grounded in "reality".

Isn't that what Syfy's show "Alphas" is about? I haven't checked out the show yet due to other things going on, but I've heard it's ok.


Yeah, Alphas is pretty much another crack at the Heroes concept. The quality is alright, especially for a SyFy show. It's at least worth checking out. So far they've tried to keep the powers somewhat reasonable. For instance, one guy has the power of controlling his fight or flight response and more or less Hulk's out on adrenaline, but it does still wear on his body. Another guy has really good hand-eye coordination, so he can do stuff along the lines of Bullseye.

Be warned, though. Summer Glau was a recurring character in the first season. So there's no telling how long the show may stick around.
 
2012-07-23 02:50:45 PM  

Henry Holland: Kate Austen from LOST: I got whiplash following her character arc. One minute she's about to blow off Aldo's leg if he doesn't cough up the info they need, the next it's "Jack.....*sob*...Jack...Jack....*sob*....*sob*......Jack!!!!". She became even less relevant when Juliet became a leading character. But hey, at least Kate made it in the soft-focus glowy after-life with Jack, at least she liked him unlike some of the other people there (John, Charlie).


I never accepted her from the start. At the beginning the cool kids clique was comprised of Jack (leadership, medical skill), Sawyer (muscle), Sayid (military training), Locke (survival skills, hunting), and Kate (um, she liked Jack?).

/should have included him
 
2012-07-23 02:53:21 PM  

jimpoz: Henry Holland: Kate Austen from LOST: I got whiplash following her character arc. One minute she's about to blow off Aldo's leg if he doesn't cough up the info they need, the next it's "Jack.....*sob*...Jack...Jack....*sob*....*sob*......Jack!!!!". She became even less relevant when Juliet became a leading character. But hey, at least Kate made it in the soft-focus glowy after-life with Jack, at least she liked him unlike some of the other people there (John, Charlie).

I never accepted her from the start. At the beginning the cool kids clique was comprised of Jack (leadership, medical skill), Sawyer (muscle), Sayid (military training), Locke (survival skills, hunting), and Kate (um, she liked Jack?).

/should have included him


What's terrifying is that the original plan was to kill off Jack in the pilot and have Kate be the central character of the series.
 
2012-07-23 03:00:31 PM  

Need_MindBleach: Personally, I'd love it if someone tried a super-power themed show again, but with very. limited. powers. And no goddamn time travel!


Give Alphas a try.

www.edesubitoserial.it

Their powers are much more narrowly scoped and don't overpower (pardon the pun) the story. It's almost X-men done with much more intelligence and with limits. One of the most powerful ones shown was played by Brett "Mr. Data" Spiner himself, who had sonic powers. He was able to set up a sympathetic resonance and almost bring down the building where he was being held captive. But it took him hours and hours to do that. And another super interesting 'bad guy' was an an 'invisible' assassin whose superpower basically had you ignore her like seeing something in your peripheral vision.

And Malik "New York: Undercover" Yoba up there (the black guy) is their super strong guy (also a trained FBI agent). His power is held in check by the fact that he can only keep it up for a very short time before he starts to damage his heart with all the adrenaline coursing through his veins. He's sweating like a pig and gasping for breath after just a minute or two of using his superstrength (which is probably in the line of 5x or so normal).

I've been really impressed by Alphas. And the fact that it fits into the same universe as Warehouse 13 and Eureka just made me that happier.
 
2012-07-23 03:11:37 PM  

PIP_the_TROLL: Need_MindBleach: Personally, I'd love it if someone tried a super-power themed show again, but with very. limited. powers. And no goddamn time travel!

Give Alphas a try.

[www.edesubitoserial.it image 510x340]

Their powers are much more narrowly scoped and don't overpower (pardon the pun) the story. It's almost X-men done with much more intelligence and with limits. One of the most powerful ones shown was played by Brett "Mr. Data" Spiner himself, who had sonic powers. He was able to set up a sympathetic resonance and almost bring down the building where he was being held captive. But it took him hours and hours to do that. And another super interesting 'bad guy' was an an 'invisible' assassin whose superpower basically had you ignore her like seeing something in your peripheral vision.

And Malik "New York: Undercover" Yoba up there (the black guy) is their super strong guy (also a trained FBI agent). His power is held in check by the fact that he can only keep it up for a very short time before he starts to damage his heart with all the adrenaline coursing through his veins. He's sweating like a pig and gasping for breath after just a minute or two of using his superstrength (which is probably in the line of 5x or so normal).

I've been really impressed by Alphas. And the fact that it fits into the same universe as Warehouse 13 and Eureka just made me that happier.


The other interesting thing about the way the powers are portrayed in the show, almost all of them have substantial negative effects as well. The FBI agent severely taxes his body using his power to Hulk out, Bullseye has performance anxiety, and the technomage has autism.

/It's been too long since I watched an episode. I honestly can't remember a single character's name.
 
2012-07-23 03:15:13 PM  

NeoCortex42: PIP_the_TROLL: Need_MindBleach: Personally, I'd love it if someone tried a super-power themed show again, but with very. limited. powers. And no goddamn time travel!

Give Alphas a try.

[www.edesubitoserial.it image 510x340]

Their powers are much more narrowly scoped and don't overpower (pardon the pun) the story. It's almost X-men done with much more intelligence and with limits. One of the most powerful ones shown was played by Brett "Mr. Data" Spiner himself, who had sonic powers. He was able to set up a sympathetic resonance and almost bring down the building where he was being held captive. But it took him hours and hours to do that. And another super interesting 'bad guy' was an an 'invisible' assassin whose superpower basically had you ignore her like seeing something in your peripheral vision.

And Malik "New York: Undercover" Yoba up there (the black guy) is their super strong guy (also a trained FBI agent). His power is held in check by the fact that he can only keep it up for a very short time before he starts to damage his heart with all the adrenaline coursing through his veins. He's sweating like a pig and gasping for breath after just a minute or two of using his superstrength (which is probably in the line of 5x or so normal).

I've been really impressed by Alphas. And the fact that it fits into the same universe as Warehouse 13 and Eureka just made me that happier.

The other interesting thing about the way the powers are portrayed in the show, almost all of them have substantial negative effects as well. The FBI agent severely taxes his body using his power to Hulk out, Bullseye has performance anxiety, and the technomage has autism.

/It's been too long since I watched an episode. I honestly can't remember a single character's name.


The new season starts tonight on Syfy after the new episode of Warehouse 13.
 
2012-07-23 03:34:31 PM  

rickycal78: The new season starts tonight on Syfy after the new episode of Warehouse 13.


Does it? I hadn't realize. Awesome. Leverage is back and so is Alphas. I'm a happy bunny.

rickycal78: The FBI agent severely taxes his body using his power to Hulk out, Bullseye has performance anxiety, and the technomage has autism.


One of the things i like about the show are Bill (FBI) and Gary (Technomage)'s relationship. Gary, the autistic kid, absolutely idolizes Bill. He's big and strong and fearless and cool - everything the kid wants to be. It feels natural. At the same time Bill tries to build up the kid's confidence and independence and the kid uses him as a bit of a sounding board for testing out that newfound independence and attitude.

Very much a big brother / little brother relationship.
 
2012-07-23 03:42:07 PM  

PIP_the_TROLL: rickycal78: The new season starts tonight on Syfy after the new episode of Warehouse 13.

Does it? I hadn't realize. Awesome. Leverage is back and so is Alphas. I'm a happy bunny.

rickycal78: The FBI agent severely taxes his body using his power to Hulk out, Bullseye has performance anxiety, and the technomage has autism.

One of the things i like about the show are Bill (FBI) and Gary (Technomage)'s relationship. Gary, the autistic kid, absolutely idolizes Bill. He's big and strong and fearless and cool - everything the kid wants to be. It feels natural. At the same time Bill tries to build up the kid's confidence and independence and the kid uses him as a bit of a sounding board for testing out that newfound independence and attitude.

Very much a big brother / little brother relationship.


Their relationship is probably one of the best character bits on the show. It definitely helps flesh out the two characters.

Warehouse 13 is also back tonight, with Brent Spiner hanging around for half the season.
 
2012-07-23 04:01:33 PM  

Need_MindBleach: Personally, I'd love it if someone tried a super-power themed show again, but with very. limited. powers


www.wallchan.com
 
2012-07-23 04:02:06 PM  

NeoCortex42: Warehouse 13 is also back tonight, with Brent Spiner hanging around for half the season.


Should be interesting. I've been very impatiently waiting for the new season to start up after Eureka kinda fizzled out on it's last season. Granted I've been disappointed in Eureka ever since the altered timeline bit, but oh well.
 
2012-07-23 04:07:16 PM  

rickycal78: NeoCortex42: Warehouse 13 is also back tonight, with Brent Spiner hanging around for half the season.

Should be interesting. I've been very impatiently waiting for the new season to start up after Eureka kinda fizzled out on it's last season. Granted I've been disappointed in Eureka ever since the altered timeline bit, but oh well.


I agree about Eureka since the time travel. And while I liked Felicia Day showing up on the show as a supporting character, making the last season all about her was a bit much.

But the Eureka finale did feature one of the worst American accents I've ever heard.
 
2012-07-23 04:18:39 PM  

rickycal78: NeoCortex42: Warehouse 13 is also back tonight, with Brent Spiner hanging around for half the season.

Should be interesting. I've been very impatiently waiting for the new season to start up after Eureka kinda fizzled out on it's last season. Granted I've been disappointed in Eureka ever since the altered timeline bit, but oh well.


I bet Spiner is sick to farking death of doing sci-fi.
 
2012-07-23 04:20:22 PM  

NeoCortex42: rickycal78: NeoCortex42: Warehouse 13 is also back tonight, with Brent Spiner hanging around for half the season.

Should be interesting. I've been very impatiently waiting for the new season to start up after Eureka kinda fizzled out on it's last season. Granted I've been disappointed in Eureka ever since the altered timeline bit, but oh well.

I agree about Eureka since the time travel. And while I liked Felicia Day showing up on the show as a supporting character, making the last season all about her was a bit much.

But the Eureka finale did feature one of the worst American accents I've ever heard.


That! Her character should have been one of the ones on this list. Ok we get it, it's Fargo's love interest, but goddamn. An episode about grieving over her, an episode about she may be alive, an episode about bringing her back in some form, an episode about giving her a body, 2 episodes about her being bad. It got old quick. That and Sheriff Carter and Doc Blake's somewhat forced chemistry and marriage stuff.

It's funny because I don't remember his accent being that bad in the earlier episodes with him. It seemed so horribly fake on that finale.
 
2012-07-23 04:26:37 PM  

Madbassist1: rickycal78: NeoCortex42: Warehouse 13 is also back tonight, with Brent Spiner hanging around for half the season.

Should be interesting. I've been very impatiently waiting for the new season to start up after Eureka kinda fizzled out on it's last season. Granted I've been disappointed in Eureka ever since the altered timeline bit, but oh well.

I bet Spiner is sick to farking death of doing sci-fi.


i.ytimg.com
At least he wasn't typecast into courtroom dramas.
 
2012-07-23 04:49:23 PM  
profile.ak.fbcdn.net

/Ran out of time around season 5.
 
2012-07-23 04:58:36 PM  
How about Ted from How I Met Your Mother. Other than finding out who the mother is, what purpose does he serve on the show other than to suck the fun out of everyone else on the show with his constant whining about wanting to fall in love?

I'd also like to add Harry Kim, Chakotay, and Neelix from Voyager to that list.

I hate to say it since I love the character, but I'd add Chloe from 24 to that list. She really had no purpose in the last season or two.

Then there's Ann on Parks and Rec. After her and Andy broke up, she really had no purpose other than being Leslie's best friend.

How about Laurie and Carl on Walking Dead? I know their purpose is to give Rick a reason to keep fighting/going but I really hate them.

And, as much as I liked Chang on Community, he seems to be rather useless at this point. I don't think they use him very well anymore. Even his whole kidnapping the dean thing last season was just kind of dumb.

Kate was an annoying character from day 1 on Lost. Both her and Jack were super annoying and I kept hoping they would get killed off, but no, they kept trying to drag Sawyer down into their suck fest.

I agree with the Sam thing from True Blood. His whole family drama was boring (although Tommy pretending to be Mrs. Fortenberry was hilarious). And now his whole Luna-shapeshifter bs is boring.

I get where he's going with Xander, but I still liked having him around. He brought humor and some sense of reality to the table since him and Giles were the only non-supes and Giles only left because Tony Head wanted to live in England again.

Pete from 30 Rock was pretty dead on, he has never really been useful on the show.

That's all I got for now.
 
2012-07-23 05:07:32 PM  
People need important plot usage to be side characters in shows like parks and rec or community?

Sheesh.
 
2012-07-23 05:12:01 PM  
Brad Bellick in Prison Break anyone? I mean I know that means I have to try and almost plausibly let T-Bag not take that spot but I mean really.......

Prison Guard, to out of work Prison Guard, to Inmate, to sprung inmate working for Shady FBI, to inmate in Panama, to part of the frickin' team so we could kill him later? Really? Really???
 
2012-07-23 05:12:50 PM  

Smackledorfer: People need important plot usage to be side characters in shows like parks and rec or community?

Sheesh.


I just think Ann is boring. I like Chang, but I just think they don't use him very well anymore. The last season all they did with him was show him corralling his child army to be a nuisance to the school. I just don't think he's funny anymore.
 
2012-07-23 05:57:31 PM  
Wow, I had forgotten Heroes ever existed. Talk about outliving its usefulness...
 
2012-07-23 06:28:59 PM  

NeoCortex42: But the Eureka finale did feature one of the worst American accents I've ever heard.


Tell me about it. When he began talking, I kept thinking that he didn't sound like that last time.
 
2012-07-23 06:37:49 PM  
Why was there a Dawson's Creek clip after the Hiro entry?


texdent: NeoCortex42: But the Eureka finale did feature one of the worst American accents I've ever heard.

Tell me about it. When he began talking, I kept thinking that he didn't sound like that last time.


Haven't watched it, but let me guess: James Callis? His American accent on that show when I last watched it was pretty atrocious.
 
2012-07-23 06:39:01 PM  
I may have missed it, but has anyone else noticed that it actually looks like there are 29 characters on that list? Minor nitpick, I know.

/Xander was dead to me after he left Anya.
 
2012-07-23 06:41:40 PM  

fusillade762: Why was there a Dawson's Creek clip after the Hiro entry?


texdent: NeoCortex42: But the Eureka finale did feature one of the worst American accents I've ever heard.

Tell me about it. When he began talking, I kept thinking that he didn't sound like that last time.

Haven't watched it, but let me guess: James Callis? His American accent on that show when I last watched it was pretty atrocious.


His American accent before wasn't great. Somehow it managed to get hilariously worse for his appearance here.
 
2012-07-23 06:56:27 PM  
They forgot Barack Obama.
 
2012-07-23 07:40:55 PM  

PillsHere: Then there's Ann on Parks and Rec. After her and Andy broke up, she really had no purpose other than being Leslie's best friend.


I agree. This was my main problem with the show up until about midway through season 3: too many characters (andy included!) just kind of floating around and not really beign tied into the show. They've since integrated both Andy and Ann better.


PillsHere: And, as much as I liked Chang on Community, he seems to be rather useless at this point. I don't think they use him very well anymore. Even his whole kidnapping the dean thing last season was just kind of dumb.


came to post this as well. Sort of like Hiro, it was obvious that they don't really know what to do with the character; which is a shame as he went from the best character to the just generally annoying.

also, I don't think Doug has overstayed his usefulness nearly as bad as Celia had on Weeds. Granted, Doug's been on longer, but they really should've dropped Celia when the show left Agrestic. They at least half-assed justified Doug following Nancy and Co.

/subby.
 
2012-07-23 07:52:54 PM  

NeoCortex42: KingKauff: Mugato: "Captain I sense great anger from those in that Romulan Warbird who are firing at us."

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SMACK

You'd think that after she crashed and totalled the first Enterprise that she'd get shown the door i a hurry. But, noooooooooo. They kept her around so she could total another space ship.

She crashed the Enterprise-D twice. First into a quantum filament. Then into the planet.

When Starfleet decided to give full command to a woman, she ended up 70 years off-course.


img.photobucket.com
 
2012-07-23 07:57:43 PM  
t2.gstatic.com

And they even killed her -- but did she stay dead? Nooooooo.
 
2012-07-23 07:57:55 PM  

Flappyhead: Mid_mo_mad_man: awfulperson: I have to disagree about Xander in Buffy the Vampire Slayer. It seemed that, over the years, pretty much EVERYONE had found some supernatural niche to fill on the show except for him. Buffy's a slayer, so let's make meek little Willow a witch, and her boyfriend a werewolf, and her sister, well, her sister, though she's a mystical key, and oh, let's make Willow a witch lesbian, and oh, let's make Willow a vengeful EVIL witch lesbian, and so on...

They needed someone decidedly UN-super to balance out all the silliness, add a little comic relief.

Loved him till he abandon his bride to be at the alter

That was one of Whedons all time biatch moves. Xander was always the good guy who took his lumps but kept going anyway and we saw a genuine growth in his self-confidence and assertiveness as the show progressed. Whedon completely killed the character arc then desperately tried to revive it over the next 1 1/2 seasons(and failed horribly).


agreed, his leaving Anna was totally out of character for Xander.
 
2012-07-23 08:04:03 PM  

NeoCortex42: Madbassist1: Tom_Slick: bhcompy: Outlived his usefulness before he even appeared on the show

but they handled it well they sent him upstairs never to be heard from again.

Richie Cunningham's brother?

Didn't one of the characters from Family Matters get grounded for like five years, or something?


the youngest daughter Judy. Her contract was up and the show was just taking off big. Her agent/dad stood firm for a big raise and the producers decided her character wasn't important to the show since by then it was becoming "the Urkel show". She wasn't grounded she was just never mentioned again. oh and she ended up in porn.
 
2012-07-23 08:48:46 PM  
Hot Lips Houlihan? Phoebe Buffay? Really, listmaker?

You suck.
 
2012-07-23 08:51:50 PM  

PillsHere: I get where he's going with Xander, but I still liked having him around. He brought humor and some sense of reality to the table since him and Giles were the only non-supes and Giles only left because Tony Head wanted to live in England again.


Agreed, but it's funny you mention Giles. Does it count as "outliving your usefulness" if the story arc demands that a character does so? He's the closest thing Buffy has to a father figure in the series, but the show is ultimately about growing up, and part of growing up is that you can be independent, that you don't need your father around all the time anymore. As the series went on, they even made mention of the fact that he wasn't as needed. He had that one comeback doing the "necessary thing" at the end of season 5, but his feelings of uselessness in 6 were the natural place for his arc to go. I'm not sure if he outlived his usefulness to the plot, or if the plot needed him just to show that he wasn't needed anymore.
 
2012-07-23 08:57:30 PM  

ViciousX:
She crashed the Enterprise-D twice. First into a quantum filament. Then into the planet.

When Starfleet decided to give full command to a woman, she ended up 70 years off-course.

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That picture caption is retarded. Pakled retarded.

Shades of Gray is known as one of the absolute worst episodes of TNG (or any TREK for that matter). A clip show with a thin plot to link what's happening.

It's agony for anyone to sit through, you would hate Riker on that episode alone if this picture was correct.

/we are not smart
 
2012-07-23 09:34:48 PM  

puckrock2000: [www.startrek.com image 320x240]

I realize promoting racial diversity was a controversial idea in the mid-1960s, but there are a limited number of ways you can say "Hailing frequencies open, Captain."


There were plenty of ways to use that character - look at Bread and Circuses

The problem was that the budget forced them to make a lot of bottle shows (ones where they never left the ship), which meant a lot of scenes on the bridge. Shatner, being Shatner, would see lines and bits of business for the other characters in the script and insist those be given to Kirk, because: star.

Takei and Doohan have both talked about this, and IIRC Shatner in his autobio even admitted to it.
 
2012-07-23 10:14:46 PM  

Mid_mo_mad_man: awfulperson: I have to disagree about Xander in Buffy the Vampire Slayer. It seemed that, over the years, pretty much EVERYONE had found some supernatural niche to fill on the show except for him. Buffy's a slayer, so let's make meek little Willow a witch, and her boyfriend a werewolf, and her sister, well, her sister, though she's a mystical key, and oh, let's make Willow a witch lesbian, and oh, let's make Willow a vengeful EVIL witch lesbian, and so on...

They needed someone decidedly UN-super to balance out all the silliness, add a little comic relief.

Loved him till he abandon his bride to be at the alter


Never liked that. It seemed a very un-Xander like thing to do.

Seasons 6 & 7 seemed to be written by people who had never watched the previous 5, including Whedon.
 
2012-07-23 10:29:27 PM  

Hyatus: I think that a good chunk of these characters didn't "Outlive Their Usefulness" as much as they were written poorly as time went on. Hiro was great and the show should have focused more on him becoming the bad-ass sword-wielding samurai character we saw a glimpse of in Season 1. Future Hiro was tortured by trying to find the one thread, the one perfect action he could fix with his power that saved the world. The Hiro in the show started on that path and then got tripped up by the writer's strike.

I totally agree about Celia, Subby. Though, I think everyone from the main character on down should have been on this list.


I like that point about tortured Future Hiro trying to find the perfect thread. I think that scene demonstrated that time travel was ultimately futile, but to follow through with that, they'd have to make the show get progressively darker, and instead they just made it confusing while making Hiro silly. The time they gave him the mind of a child? What a waste.

Post season 1, he seemed to have some good moments, like his father's eulogy, saying goodbye to his mother, and even when he got his powers back in season 4 and couldn't unfreeze time so he put Ando in a wheelbarrow. That was more Hiro doing desperate improv than the goofy tourist Hiro or child Hiro the writers seemed to be so stuck on.

Giving him a brain tumor was too reminicient of a soap opera, and it didn't help that they just did this to Michael Scofield on Prison Break. I was wondering when the protagonist brain tumor trifecta would present in the prime time drama universe.

I think post season 1 Hiro was the worst squandering of an otherwise outstanding tv character with so much potential.
 
2012-07-23 10:59:04 PM  
House.

/Just House.
//Seriously, the main character.
 
2012-07-23 11:21:33 PM  

PIP_the_TROLL: Need_MindBleach: Personally, I'd love it if someone tried a super-power themed show again, but with very. limited. powers. And no goddamn time travel!

Give Alphas a try.

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Their powers are much more narrowly scoped and don't overpower (pardon the pun) the story. It's almost X-men done with much more intelligence and with limits. One of the most powerful ones shown was played by Brett "Mr. Data" Spiner himself, who had sonic powers. He was able to set up a sympathetic resonance and almost bring down the building where he was being held captive. But it took him hours and hours to do that. And another super interesting 'bad guy' was an an 'invisible' assassin whose superpower basically had you ignore her like seeing something in your peripheral vision.

And Malik "New York: Undercover" Yoba up there (the black guy) is their super strong guy (also a trained FBI agent). His power is held in check by the fact that he can only keep it up for a very short time before he starts to damage his heart with all the adrenaline coursing through his veins. He's sweating like a pig and gasping for breath after just a minute or two of using his superstrength (which is probably in the line of 5x or so normal).

I've been really impressed by Alphas. And the fact that it fits into the same universe as Warehouse 13 and Eureka just made me that happier.


I went and watched the new episode tonight since I hadn't seen the show yet and I was kind of disappointed. I mean it was decent enough, but from what I saw it was the exact same thing as Syfy's earlier series Painkiller Jane. From some people have super powers for some reason to the government hunting them down and "chipping" them to disable their abilities.
 
2012-07-23 11:39:36 PM  

Shadowtag: House.

/Just House.
//Seriously, the main character.


House, I forgot about that show. Basically every character on it became useless at some point, although I'm not sure losing House would have made it better. The last season was painful to watch though.
 
2012-07-24 12:39:32 AM  

scottydoesntknow: [collider.com image 500x333]

As much as I love the character, he needed to die last season


I think keeping him alive and reducing his role in the club is more deserving a punishment as the death would have been quick, the is a slow burn and he could kill him still at anytime.
 
2012-07-24 01:43:23 AM  
David Tennant's Doctor.

"I've regenerated, but i kept the same body"
 
2012-07-24 04:00:16 PM  

SamFlagg: Brad Bellick in Prison Break anyone? I mean I know that means I have to try and almost plausibly let T-Bag not take that spot but I mean really.......

Prison Guard, to out of work Prison Guard, to Inmate, to sprung inmate working for Shady FBI, to inmate in Panama, to part of the frickin' team so we could kill him later? Really? Really???


*Wade Bellick, but yeah, great call. He was actually great in the first season as a slimy prison guard, but he just progressively worse and worse. It wasn't the actor; it was the terrible terrible writing.

PillsHere: House, I forgot about that show. Basically every character on it became useless at some point, although I'm not sure losing House would have made it better. The last season was painful to watch though.


House and Wilson were the only watchable things about that show in the final season. Taub just became whiny and irritable, Chase could have been played by a cardboard cutout, 13 was irrelevant, and Asian Velma Dinkley needs to be run over by a truck every time she opens her mouth.
 
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