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2012-07-23 08:26:55 AM  
"Because we'll sue you if you don't."

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2012-07-23 09:05:20 AM  
Fark Oracle. I think their motto is "Be Evil".
 
2012-07-23 10:17:15 AM  
Screw you, Larry Ellison.
 
2012-07-23 10:51:58 AM  

This IS retarded. Why not just offer support services without the patch?

---OR---


Better yet, fix all MySQL bugs
 
2012-07-23 11:22:54 AM  
Get f*cked, Larry.
 
2012-07-23 12:22:42 PM  
I have yet to have Oracle or Red Hat successfully help us resolve a ticket. We open them, just because it is a requirement for a production outage, but we always figure it out before their techs do.
 
2012-07-23 01:10:45 PM  

Because People in power are Stupid: This IS retarded. Why not just offer support services without the patch?

---OR---

Better yet, fix all MySQL bugs


That would require adding more bugs to offset the fixed ones.
 
2012-07-23 01:16:15 PM  

jst3p: I have yet to have Oracle or Red Hat successfully help us resolve a ticket. We open them, just because it is a requirement for a production outage, but we always figure it out before their techs do.


Red Hat has helped me once. ONCE!
 
2012-07-23 01:28:15 PM  

jst3p: I have yet to have Oracle or Red Hat successfully help us resolve a ticket. We open them, just because it is a requirement for a production outage, but we always figure it out before their techs do.


Don't make me un-farkie you.
 
2012-07-23 01:28:43 PM  
If you aren't Fortune 50, Oracle has no use for you. They'll take your money, but you yourself are worthless in their eyes.
 
2012-07-23 01:36:46 PM  

Diogenes: jst3p: I have yet to have Oracle or Red Hat successfully help us resolve a ticket. We open them, just because it is a requirement for a production outage, but we always figure it out before their techs do.

Don't make me un-farkie you.


Just stating the facts. Nothing personal, my guess is they don't pay enough to keep more than a couple good people and those people stay busy.
 
2012-07-23 01:40:54 PM  
Eat a bag of dicks, Larry.
 
2012-07-23 01:49:57 PM  

jst3p: Diogenes: jst3p: I have yet to have Oracle or Red Hat successfully help us resolve a ticket. We open them, just because it is a requirement for a production outage, but we always figure it out before their techs do.

Don't make me un-farkie you.

Just stating the facts. Nothing personal, my guess is they don't pay enough to keep more than a couple good people and those people stay busy.


I wish I could talk but this would be a risky forum.
 
2012-07-23 02:54:44 PM  

Diogenes: jst3p: Diogenes: jst3p: I have yet to have Oracle or Red Hat successfully help us resolve a ticket. We open them, just because it is a requirement for a production outage, but we always figure it out before their techs do.

Don't make me un-farkie you.

Just stating the facts. Nothing personal, my guess is they don't pay enough to keep more than a couple good people and those people stay busy.

I wish I could talk but this would be a risky forum.


Larry has eyes everywhere.... LMFAO
 
2012-07-23 03:01:27 PM  

SDRR: Diogenes: jst3p: Diogenes: jst3p: I have yet to have Oracle or Red Hat successfully help us resolve a ticket. We open them, just because it is a requirement for a production outage, but we always figure it out before their techs do.

Don't make me un-farkie you.

Just stating the facts. Nothing personal, my guess is they don't pay enough to keep more than a couple good people and those people stay busy.

I wish I could talk but this would be a risky forum.

Larry has eyes everywhere.... LMFAO


Laugh if you must. Social media participation is scrutinized. And I'm not getting in trouble so I can give you guys a laugh.
 
2012-07-23 03:06:30 PM  

Diogenes: SDRR: Diogenes: jst3p: Diogenes: jst3p: I have yet to have Oracle or Red Hat successfully help us resolve a ticket. We open them, just because it is a requirement for a production outage, but we always figure it out before their techs do.

Don't make me un-farkie you.

Just stating the facts. Nothing personal, my guess is they don't pay enough to keep more than a couple good people and those people stay busy.

I wish I could talk but this would be a risky forum.

Larry has eyes everywhere.... LMFAO

Laugh if you must. Social media participation is scrutinized. And I'm not getting in trouble so I can give you guys a laugh.


eip, we love a good story here.


/I work for a tech company too
//never mention who
 
2012-07-23 04:01:25 PM  
You're killing your father Larry.
 
2012-07-23 05:10:02 PM  
The only advantage that Oracle has is that
 
2012-07-23 05:10:48 PM  
Let's try that again, only this time with preview and a non-broken link.

The only advantage that Oracle has is that Ksplice is awesome. Live, in-memory kernel patching is really useful where you need to apply kernel security updates as soon as possible and can't wait for a scheduled maintenance window to install the new kernel and reboot.

Of course, they borged the company that made it and basically neutered it: the old Ksplice was free for Fedora and Ubuntu desktop systems (so you could easily demo how awesome it was) and you could pay ~$3/month/system for CentOS, RHEL, Scientific Linux, Debian, Ubuntu Server, etc. Not bad at all.

Oracle decided that reasonably-priced ongoing subscriptions weren't good enough and they stopped accepting new customers for non-Oracle Linux systems (where it's included in their expensive "Premier Support") but continue to provide Fedora/Ubuntu systems for free[1]. Even their free trial for RHEL is just a not-so-subtle way to try to sell you on Oracle Linux. Even after the trial is up, you can't continue to use Ksplice on your RHEL system -- they require you to convert to Oracle Linux with Premier Support to keep using it.

My occasional back-and-forth contacts with the Ksplice group suggest that they're still pretty awesome guys but they're required to operate by Oracle's rules.

As an aside, while I know that it's permitted by the GPL it always seems shady to have commercial clones of RHEL. I have no issues with Scientific Linux and CentOS as they're not really in it to make money (and I'm pretty sure Red Hat understands that people who use CentOS aren't likely to buy a RH license anyway so they don't really lose anything. Indeed, by being familiar with CentOS they're probably more likely to buy RH products in the future.), but Oracle Linux just doesn't feel right to me.

/Debian and Ubuntu server guy, personally.

[1] Interesting note: Unlike previous versions, Ubuntu 12.04 uses the same kernel for desktop and server systems so you can run Ksplice on Ubuntu servers for free. I'm pretty sure that violates the license agreement, but it's still worth pointing out.
 
2012-07-23 08:23:18 PM  
Open Source does not allow Larry to buy spiffier and faster boats guys. Conform! Uh, migrate it's free*.
 
2012-07-23 08:58:47 PM  
Oracle is what happens when you don't want to buy SQL Server and you're terrified of MySQL.
 
2012-07-23 09:48:20 PM  
Should there be a "chutzpah" tag?
 
2012-07-23 10:26:29 PM  

bmr68: Open Source does not allow Larry to buy spiffier and faster boats or private islands guys. Conform! Uh, migrate it's free*.


It seems like an important detail.
 
2012-07-23 10:46:25 PM  
1.bp.blogspot.com
 
2012-07-23 11:51:19 PM  
Oracle unleashed the evil that is PeopleSoft onto the business world. For that alone, the farktards should be first up against the wall.
 
2012-07-23 11:58:53 PM  

heypete: Let's try that again, only this time with preview and a non-broken link.

The only advantage that Oracle has is that


Sorry, you had this right the first time.
 
2012-07-24 12:01:51 AM  

Miss Stein: Oracle unleashed the evil that is PeopleSoft onto the business world. For that alone, the farktards should be first up against the wall.


Former PS employee here. PS was a billion dollar company on its own, before Oracle engaged in the first large-scale hostile takeover since the 90's just to crush their competition.

PS technology was weak shiat, but it was an awesome place to work. fark Oracle and Larry Ellison can die in a farking fire.
 
2012-07-24 01:00:10 AM  

the_rhino: You're killing your father Larry.


This is what happens Larry.
 
2012-07-24 01:25:32 AM  
This is what happens, Larry, when you . . .

Wait, I seem to have wandered into a Linux thread. Ew.
 
2012-07-24 04:06:56 AM  

xant: heypete: Let's try that again, only this time with preview and a non-broken link.

The only advantage that Oracle has is that

Sorry, you had this right the first time.


Hah. Indeed.

My old workplace had a pretty slick Sun server with piles of hard disks in several RAID-6-with-hot-spare arrays for storing lab data. They used standard "enterprise" hard disks from Western Digital, which worked well, but they had a special Sun-only firmware that the controller would check for. Buying new disks was ungodly expensive and it would take weeks for them to replace failed disks under warranty and only after navigating a phone tree and speaking to incompetent phone minions for an hour.

It was good hardware, but the hassle of dealing with Sun (and their constant pestering to switch everything to Oracle) eventually had the lab administration say "fark this" and would buy SuperMicro servers with higher-quality off-the-shelf RAID controllers and enterprise disks.

Everything Oracle touches turns to crap. I'm honestly not sure why anyone continues to give them money.
 
2012-07-24 05:24:05 AM  
Yeah, I am going to get my free OS from Oracle and when something goes wrong I will hire Oracle consultants to fix. NOT!

I think it might be cheaper to code your own OS from the ground up in house than getting a consultant from Oracle to help fix a problem with e free OS.
 
2012-07-24 11:56:14 AM  

heypete: Everything Oracle touches turns to crap. I'm honestly not sure why anyone continues to give them money.


Basically because Oracle DB software was the only real enterprise database as Microsoft SQL was crap (not so much anymore). The problem is that people are now married to it because migrating to a new DB application is a PITA. MySQL was a great alternative until Oracle bought Sun and now it's going to crap. There are a ton of freeware forks but the enterprise is reluctant to use it because they lack support (while MySQL lacks support it's been around for a long time and IT Management is more comfortable with that).

It's like the time I found an awesome freeware application for VMware...but we couldn't use it as a standard because it didn't have support. ZOMG, no support! We ended up having to purchase a similar VMware product for $10k.
 
2012-07-24 03:39:14 PM  

jst3p: Diogenes: SDRR: Diogenes: jst3p: Diogenes: jst3p: I have yet to have Oracle or Red Hat successfully help us resolve a ticket. We open them, just because it is a requirement for a production outage, but we always figure it out before their techs do.

Don't make me un-farkie you.

Just stating the facts. Nothing personal, my guess is they don't pay enough to keep more than a couple good people and those people stay busy.

I wish I could talk but this would be a risky forum.

Larry has eyes everywhere.... LMFAO

Laugh if you must. Social media participation is scrutinized. And I'm not getting in trouble so I can give you guys a laugh.

eip, we love a good story here.


/I work for a tech company too
//never mention who


You don't have to tell me, I already know.
 
2012-07-25 04:25:17 AM  
Sybase.
 
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