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(ESPN)   Will the Nittany Lions receive a well deserved death penalty, or will the NCAA pull a Paterno and look the other way? Find out when the penalties levied against Penn State are announced, live at 9 AM   (espn.go.com) divider line 824
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2012-07-23 08:17:10 AM
Feels weird to be pro death penalty but only in this context.
 
2012-07-23 08:19:34 AM
1. It's stupid to call a one-year program suspension the "death penalty." In this universe, death is pretty farking permanent. Maybe call it the "coma penalty."
2. It sucks that the WHOLE SCHOOL has to suffer for the blatant idiocy of a few managerial types. Fire their asses and call it good. Hell, if there's signs of criminal neglect, file charges while you're at it.
 
2012-07-23 08:19:44 AM
Recently read an article which detailed how the first accuser received deplorable treatment from people in the town not even connected with the football program, to the point of having to enter the witness protection program. I have to say I'm pro-death penalty in this case as well.
 
2012-07-23 08:21:31 AM
What would be accomplished by killing the football program? The offenders are either in jail, under investigation, or dead. Too much of this is fueled by schadenfreude of Paterno's fall and inability to defend himself.
 
2012-07-23 08:22:27 AM
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2012-07-23 08:23:03 AM

foo monkey: What would be accomplished by killing the football program? The offenders are either in jail, under investigation, or dead. Too much of this is fueled by schadenfreude of Paterno's fall and inability to defend himself.


THIS
 
2012-07-23 08:23:19 AM
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2012-07-23 08:25:08 AM
As we discussed yesterday, it won't be the death penalty. The NCAA is going to hit PSU right in the wallet; they're going to lose bowls, scholarships, non-conference games, TV revenue, and Big 10 conference revenue.
 
2012-07-23 08:26:00 AM

foo monkey: What would be accomplished by killing the football program? The offenders are either in jail, under investigation, or dead. Too much of this is fueled by schadenfreude of Paterno's fall and inability to defend himself.


It's a deterrent measure. So that future sports programs will realize the punishment for not speaking up is worse than the embarrassment something like this would cause to the program.
 
2012-07-23 08:26:07 AM
Every part of the coverup was done to protect the football program. Shut it down.
 
2012-07-23 08:26:10 AM
My guess on the penalties:

1. A brazilian dollar fine.

2. Penn State must spot all opponents 21 points for all games played in the next ten years. Sadly, this will not help Ohio University in the least.

3. Penn State band is limited to making rhythmic slapping sounds during all halftime shows.

4. Paterno family members must have mouths duct taped shut. Except for Jay Paterno -- he gets the Hom-Dai.

5. Sandusky, Ohio must change name to Kiddy Raper, Ohio.

6. Joe Paterno to be referred to as "He Whose Name Shall Not Be Mentioned" on the campuses of all NCAA member schools.
 
2012-07-23 08:26:17 AM

foo monkey: What would be accomplished by killing the football program? The offenders are either in jail, under investigation, or dead. Too much of this is fueled by schadenfreude of Paterno's fall and inability to defend himself.


A lot of it is wanting vengeance, but this also serves as a deterrent to other schools. After all, Penn State refused to look into the sexual abuse allegations leveled on Sandusky on the basis that it would cast Penn State in a bad light.

In their calculation, publicity was more important than the welfare of children.

I hope this sends the message to other schools that they best deal with sexual abuse allegations promptly lest they suffer Penn State's fate.
 
2012-07-23 08:26:22 AM

foo monkey: What would be accomplished by killing the football program? The offenders are either in jail, under investigation, or dead. Too much of this is fueled by schadenfreude of Paterno's fall and inability to defend himself.


Hey, this is the only freude I get.

But I agree, the blood people want is no longer coming from the guilty.
 
2012-07-23 08:26:30 AM
Big slap on the wrist. The limp wrist.

IMO there other awful crimes going on that are a bit under-reported. Just pick from the grab bag and post your indignation...
 
2012-07-23 08:26:50 AM
Death!
 
2012-07-23 08:26:59 AM
I thought we had a Sports tab so that this garbage didn't get posted to the main page...
 
2012-07-23 08:27:05 AM
Would be a shame if Penn State does not voluntarily put a temporary halt to its football program. It's really the closest they can get to credibly showing they take the systemic problems seriously (IMO, naturally).
 
2012-07-23 08:28:13 AM

xanadian: 1. It's stupid to call a one-year program suspension the "death penalty." In this universe, death is pretty farking permanent. Maybe call it the "coma penalty."
2. It sucks that the WHOLE SCHOOL has to suffer for the blatant idiocy of a few managerial types. Fire their asses and call it good. Hell, if there's signs of criminal neglect, file charges while you're at it.


More like a child's "time out."

'Now you just sit there and think about what you did wrong. Okay, would you like some juice now?"
 
2012-07-23 08:28:18 AM

foo monkey: What would be accomplished by killing the football program? The offenders are either in jail, under investigation, or dead. Too much of this is fueled by schadenfreude of Paterno's fall and inability to defend himself.


Because when the allegations came out that he was being fired for covering up children being raped, so the football program's image wouldn't be tarnished, the students rioted, and they treated the accuser as an enemy because the truth he told made the school look bad.

So yeah, I get it...the whole school isn't guilty, but that doesn't mean they aren't part of the problem. You want to diefy a f*cking football coach and a football team? Fine... But when it turns out your god covered up children being raped, don't be surprised when people want to burn the church.
 
2012-07-23 08:28:26 AM
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2012-07-23 08:28:40 AM

foo monkey: What would be accomplished by killing the football program? The offenders are either in jail, under investigation, or dead. Too much of this is fueled by schadenfreude of Paterno's fall and inability to defend himself.


It wasn't just the people at the top who were responsible. There's a systemic cultural problem within the community where the Almighty Football takes precedence over all else, including the raping of children. If it takes killing Penn's football program to get the school and the community's priorities straight, then that's what needs to happen. Otherwise all of this will happen again. It's probably happening right now, but isn't enough of a scandal yet.
 
2012-07-23 08:29:19 AM
Big fine. The NCAA is going to use the situation as an excuse for a cash grab.
 
2012-07-23 08:29:29 AM
Need to get this out of the way
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2012-07-23 08:30:10 AM

AnkhX10.0: foo monkey: What would be accomplished by killing the football program? The offenders are either in jail, under investigation, or dead. Too much of this is fueled by schadenfreude of Paterno's fall and inability to defend himself.

A lot of it is wanting vengeance, but this also serves as a deterrent to other schools. After all, Penn State refused to look into the sexual abuse allegations leveled on Sandusky on the basis that it would cast Penn State in a bad light.

In their calculation, publicity was more important than the welfare of children.

I hope this sends the message to other schools that they best deal with sexual abuse allegations promptly lest they suffer Penn State's fate.


Not just sex abuse, but really any criminal behavior or actions that violate NCAA rules. The NCAA wants to deter people from trying to cover up their misdeeds in the future---make it preferable to blow the whistle early.

But you are right, Penn State is about to become a cautionary tale to ALL universities where the athletic department has too much power (so most D1s). Hopefully, those other universities have already gotten the message.
 
2012-07-23 08:30:35 AM
The NCAA has an obligation to reboot a program when it's clear that the school has lost control. I don't think it gets much clearer than this. If they are smart, they'll waive transfer restrictions and let the players go elsewhere and compete to play this season.
 
2012-07-23 08:30:40 AM

Honest Bender: I thought we had a Sports tab so that this garbage didn't get posted to the main page...


Because we wouldn't want to clutter up the front page and take any attention away from those compelling stories about LSD-addled attacks on mailboxes or hair growth medication turning dudes into chicks.
 
2012-07-23 08:30:42 AM
Submitted by the dude who writes the professional wrestling thread headlines?
 
2012-07-23 08:31:06 AM
They will probably be forced to transfer to the Big 12.

A fate worse than death.
 
2012-07-23 08:31:56 AM
"Then there was the ever-present football player rapist."
 
2012-07-23 08:32:31 AM

gsiofa: Would be a shame if Penn State does not voluntarily put a temporary halt to its football program. It's really the closest they can get to credibly showing they take the systemic problems seriously (IMO, naturally).


Voluntarily suspending football may end up being PSU's best course of action, if the financial and competitive penalties are severe enough.
 
2012-07-23 08:32:46 AM
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2012-07-23 08:33:17 AM
I wonder if it's possible for the braying mob to be happy about any level of sanctions. Whatever it is, I'm sure Fark will demand more.
 
2012-07-23 08:33:20 AM
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2012-07-23 08:33:27 AM

MAYORBOB: Because we wouldn't want to clutter up the front page and take any attention away from those compelling stories about LSD-addled attacks on mailboxes or hair growth medication turning dudes into chicks.


Not unless the mailbox attacker also raped the mailboxes and several mail slots in doors.
 
2012-07-23 08:33:45 AM

MAYORBOB: 4. Paterno family members must have mouths duct taped shut. Except for Jay Paterno -- he gets the Hom-Dai.


The British Museum better make sure that the Book of the Dead is locked away.
 
2012-07-23 08:34:27 AM
But Penn State will not receive the so-called "death penalty" that would have suspended the program for at least one year, the source said.

The penalties, however, are considered to be so harsh that the death penalty may have been preferable, the source said.

What could be worse than the death penalty?

/ Maybe the players will be forced to wear ribbons on their uniforms?

// Yes, that is harsh but we have to set an example.
 
2012-07-23 08:34:35 AM
Am i the only one that finds this school loyalty to be bullshiat? you go to learn then move on with life.. living in Michigan i have to deal with all these spartan/wolverine farktards.. they are like 65 years old wearing their college colors. and act like anything said against a school they went to 40 years ago is a major offense, i just don't get it..

BTW.... who cares bout the school... they should be going against all the admin that were part of this mess.
 
2012-07-23 08:35:20 AM

GAT_00: I wonder if it's possible for the braying mob to be happy about any level of sanctions. Whatever it is, I'm sure Fark will demand more.


I would be satisfied if the football program was vaporized.
 
2012-07-23 08:35:21 AM

foo monkey: What would be accomplished by killing the football program? The offenders are either in jail, under investigation, or dead. Too much of this is fueled by schadenfreude of Paterno's fall and inability to defend himself.


I'm sure there's some, but I, and most others see this as an appropriate punishment for a corrupt organization that allowed and facilitated a key member of said organization to rape and continue raping children for years.
At first I thought the NCAA would actually drop the hammer on PSU, but it's looking like they are as corrupt as speculated for years and don't want to kill one of their biggest cash cows. We'll see in a few minutes how on the scale of violations they feel this compares to boosters giving money to players and free tattoos.
 
2012-07-23 08:35:48 AM

Tman144: foo monkey: What would be accomplished by killing the football program? The offenders are either in jail, under investigation, or dead. Too much of this is fueled by schadenfreude of Paterno's fall and inability to defend himself.

It's a deterrent measure. So that future sports programs will realize the punishment for not speaking up is worse than the embarrassment something like this would cause to the program.


You know ironically, I think that's why the NCAA can't officially give PSU the death pentalty: It sets the bar too high for future cases. "Sure, we were paying players in cash and fabulous prizes, but at least we weren't raping kids!"

I think an interesting solution might be for Penn State to voluntarily pull out of the Big 10 and play football at a lower level for a few years, starting next year perhaps. Join like the Mid American, or maybe go down to 1-AA. Let any current player out of their scholarship obligation with no penalty, and just kind of let the program settle down a bit. If you're really a fan of Penn State football, you won't have a problem with this, and might find that you actually enjoy that level of competition more. You're still fulfilling the (stated, at least) goal of college athletics, letting kids get educations, and the university is paying a penalty for their non-action, by allowing these new players to get a Big 10-level education, which the players they're recruiting ordinarily would not be able to get near.
 
2012-07-23 08:37:59 AM
So, buying a player a sports car brings the death penalty but raping young boys for years on end and covering it up is a-ok. Got it! Thanks, NCAA!
 
2012-07-23 08:38:07 AM

A Terrible Human: Feels weird to be pro death penalty but only in this context.


These are my sentiments as well. Anything less than the death penalty is really despicable.
 
2012-07-23 08:38:15 AM

HMS_Blinkin: gsiofa: Would be a shame if Penn State does not voluntarily put a temporary halt to its football program. It's really the closest they can get to credibly showing they take the systemic problems seriously (IMO, naturally).

Voluntarily suspending football may end up being PSU's best course of action, if the financial and competitive penalties are severe enough.


It's also the only way future recruits -and parents of those recruits- will know PSU takes the allegations and criminal convictions more seriously than their athletics programs.
 
2012-07-23 08:38:25 AM

foo monkey: What would be accomplished by killing the football program? The offenders are either in jail, under investigation, or dead. Too much of this is fueled by schadenfreude of Paterno's fall and inability to defend himself.


Because everything around the program allowed the program to do this. Paterno and the coaches valued the programs good name over stopping a child molester. The people in the University, because of the money and prestige of the program, allowed Paterno et al to call the shots and cover it up. The people in the community, as evidenced by the fracas of just trying to take the statue down, gave their support and blind loyalty to this program, further cementing the power with Paterno. Hell, Penn State is exempt from Pennsylvania's Open records law, because it had such support.

The failure to keep tabs on Penn State is a state wide one. No one, not the school, students, faculty or community is free from blame. So you should all share in the punishment.
 
2012-07-23 08:40:11 AM

GAT_00: I wonder if it's possible for the braying mob to be happy about any level of sanctions. Whatever it is, I'm sure Fark will demand more.


I'm impressed that you've taken to defending PSU against those mean people calling for sanctions across multiple threads.
 
2012-07-23 08:40:26 AM
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2012-07-23 08:40:26 AM

SonOfSpam: "Then there was the ever-present football player rapist."


Might be the first time I have seen someone quote that song on Fark.
 
2012-07-23 08:40:34 AM
They should give them a choice. Death or Ugu.

Gilbert Gottfried, so NSFW. (NSFmuch, really).

Anyone notice that they essentially did this same joke in The Dark Knight Returns....?
 
2012-07-23 08:41:01 AM

Cubansaltyballs: GAT_00: I wonder if it's possible for the braying mob to be happy about any level of sanctions. Whatever it is, I'm sure Fark will demand more.

I would be satisfied if the football program was vaporized.


I think they should shut down college football completely. It is hazardous to the health of the students and doesn't contribute to the students education. Make the NFL form a farm league if they want a pool to recruit out of.
 
2012-07-23 08:41:03 AM

gsiofa: Would be a shame if Penn State does not voluntarily put a temporary halt to its football program. It's really the closest they can get to credibly showing they take the systemic problems seriously (IMO, naturally).


I was hoping they would announce this at their press conference a few weeks ago. I don't why I thought they would do the right thing though.
 
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