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(Orlando Sentinel)   Deputy stops group of 30 triathlon bicyclists for riding outside bike lane, but only gives a ticket to one woman, explaining he got "fixated" on her purple outfit   (orlandosentinel.com) divider line 119
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2012-07-23 08:26:48 AM
The purple outfit that accentuated her perky breasts and curvy buttocks, I presume.
 
2012-07-23 08:30:39 AM
Police flirting.
 
2012-07-23 08:36:51 AM
I'm sure this thread will be filled with reasoned debate regarding cyclists and cycling.
 
2012-07-23 08:48:55 AM

xanadian: I'm sure this thread will be filled with reasoned debate regarding cyclists and cycling.


There's no debate really. I don't own a car so I ride my bike everywhere. I don't do it because of the environment or because I'm a hippy or anything, I just can't afford auto insurance and I don't have a driver's license. I live in St. Petersburg, Florida which is not always an easy place to navigate (but a lot better than Tampa, damn!)

There is only one thing you need to know: Never trust anyone driving a car, and never expect them to stop for you, pay attention to you, or notice you. Stop for them. Always, no matter if you have the right-of-way. You may not like them and may want to yell at them for being ignorant of your divine rights as a biker, but you will lose this battle every time, so just shut up, stay on the sidewalk where you belong, and quit acting like drivers are ever going to treat you as an equal because "that's the law."

When you get on a busy roadway on a bicycle your only thought should be how to stay alive. Never think the guy behind you isn't methed out of his skull right now.

The "law" won't do you much good when they are scraping your brains off the roadway.
 
2012-07-23 09:14:24 AM
here's a video with her. Yeah I'd do her, but I don't know if she'd stand out enough in a group of female triathletes to say that it was because I was attracted to her.

The important thing here is that leaving the bike lane to pass a slower rider is completely legal. Asshat cop ruined peoples' race and wasted everyone's time because he doesn't know the laws he's paid to enforce.
 
2012-07-23 09:17:00 AM

Confabulat: Stop for them. Always, no matter if you have the right-of-way


Don't listen to this guy. Last thing we need is more cyclists doing this, convincing more drivers that that's how it's supposed to work. Take your lane and follow the laws just like you'd expect any other vehicle to do.

Also strap video cameras to your bike in case anything happens. You can get a decent camera for under $200.
 
2012-07-23 09:21:17 AM

serial_crusher: Confabulat: Stop for them. Always, no matter if you have the right-of-way

Don't listen to this guy. Last thing we need is more cyclists doing this, convincing more drivers that that's how it's supposed to work. Take your lane and follow the laws just like you'd expect any other vehicle to do.

Also strap video cameras to your bike in case anything happens. You can get a decent camera for under $200.


Ha, I guess that can be like the little black box they recover from airplane wreckage.
 
2012-07-23 09:32:36 AM
Don't be the one in the group that stands out, because it means you'll take the fall.
 
2012-07-23 09:33:45 AM

Confabulat: xanadian: I'm sure this thread will be filled with reasoned debate regarding cyclists and cycling.

There's no debate really. I don't own a car so I ride my bike everywhere. I don't do it because of the environment or because I'm a hippy or anything, I just can't afford auto insurance and I don't have a driver's license. I live in St. Petersburg, Florida which is not always an easy place to navigate (but a lot better than Tampa, damn!)

There is only one thing you need to know: Never trust anyone driving a car, and never expect them to stop for you, pay attention to you, or notice you. Stop for them. Always, no matter if you have the right-of-way. You may not like them and may want to yell at them for being ignorant of your divine rights as a biker, but you will lose this battle every time, so just shut up, stay on the sidewalk where you belong, and quit acting like drivers are ever going to treat you as an equal because "that's the law."

When you get on a busy roadway on a bicycle your only thought should be how to stay alive. Never think the guy behind you isn't methed out of his skull right now.

The "law" won't do you much good when they are scraping your brains off the roadway.


Ya, this is a real farking impartial statement here. 'I DON'T OWN A CAR BUT HERE IS MY LAW ON HOW YOU ACT'.
 
2012-07-23 09:34:01 AM

Confabulat: xanadian: I'm sure this thread will be filled with reasoned debate regarding cyclists and cycling.

There's no debate really. I don't own a car so I ride my bike everywhere. I don't do it because of the environment or because I'm a hippy or anything, I just can't afford auto insurance and I don't have a driver's license. I live in St. Petersburg, Florida which is not always an easy place to navigate (but a lot better than Tampa, damn!)

There is only one thing you need to know: Never trust anyone driving a car, and never expect them to stop for you, pay attention to you, or notice you. Stop for them. Always, no matter if you have the right-of-way. You may not like them and may want to yell at them for being ignorant of your divine rights as a biker, but you will lose this battle every time, so just shut up, stay on the sidewalk where you belong, and quit acting like drivers are ever going to treat you as an equal because "that's the law."

When you get on a busy roadway on a bicycle your only thought should be how to stay alive. Never think the guy behind you isn't methed out of his skull right now.

The "law" won't do you much good when they are scraping your brains off the roadway.


You miserable troll.
 
2012-07-23 09:34:06 AM

Confabulat: xanadian: I'm sure this thread will be filled with reasoned debate regarding cyclists and cycling.

There's no debate really. I don't own a car so I ride my bike everywhere. I don't do it because of the environment or because I'm a hippy or anything, I just can't afford auto insurance and I don't have a driver's license. I live in St. Petersburg, Florida which is not always an easy place to navigate (but a lot better than Tampa, damn!)

There is only one thing you need to know: Never trust anyone driving a car, and never expect them to stop for you, pay attention to you, or notice you. Stop for them. Always, no matter if you have the right-of-way. You may not like them and may want to yell at them for being ignorant of your divine rights as a biker, but you will lose this battle every time, so just shut up, stay on the sidewalk where you belong, and quit acting like drivers are ever going to treat you as an equal because "that's the law."

When you get on a busy roadway on a bicycle your only thought should be how to stay alive. Never think the guy behind you isn't methed out of his skull right now.

The "law" won't do you much good when they are scraping your brains off the roadway.


Hell, that's good advice when you're in a CAR, let alone on a bike.
 
2012-07-23 09:34:14 AM

Confabulat: serial_crusher: Confabulat: Stop for them. Always, no matter if you have the right-of-way

Don't listen to this guy. Last thing we need is more cyclists doing this, convincing more drivers that that's how it's supposed to work. Take your lane and follow the laws just like you'd expect any other vehicle to do.

Also strap video cameras to your bike in case anything happens. You can get a decent camera for under $200.

Ha, I guess that can be like the little black box they recover from airplane wreckage.


Yep. Video description: "So, that's 16 stop signs and 3 red lights he blew through without stopping. When do we get to the accident?"
 
2012-07-23 09:34:46 AM
"Sometimes even if you honk, they don't move," she said. "They'll flip you off or start screaming at you as you drive past. I honked at the cyclists to alert them I was behind them while they were taking up the entire street and they didn't move. They began flipping me off and as I drove past."

What an asshole.
 
2012-07-23 09:34:54 AM
i.dailymail.co.uk

I don't understand.
 
2012-07-23 09:35:12 AM
Cyclists have been riding in Weston for years, but lately drivers have been complaining about cycling clubs taking up entire lanes of traffic.

Cars take up entire lanes of traffic too. Ticket them too!
 
2012-07-23 09:35:30 AM

Confabulat: serial_crusher: Confabulat: Stop for them. Always, no matter if you have the right-of-way

Don't listen to this guy. Last thing we need is more cyclists doing this, convincing more drivers that that's how it's supposed to work. Take your lane and follow the laws just like you'd expect any other vehicle to do.

Also strap video cameras to your bike in case anything happens. You can get a decent camera for under $200.

Ha, I guess that can be like the little black box they recover from airplane wreckage.


So it can be reviewed by cops? Ticket. ticket. Ticket. Yep, there's another one.
 
2012-07-23 09:36:15 AM
I hit a cyclist with an empty handle of Jack Daniel's yesterday morning. I don't know what hurt worse, the heavy glass shattering or her veering into oncoming traffic. I wish I had a damn video.
 
2012-07-23 09:36:31 AM

Confabulat: serial_crusher: Confabulat: Stop for them. Always, no matter if you have the right-of-way

Don't listen to this guy. Last thing we need is more cyclists doing this, convincing more drivers that that's how it's supposed to work. Take your lane and follow the laws just like you'd expect any other vehicle to do.

Also strap video cameras to your bike in case anything happens. You can get a decent camera for under $200.

Ha, I guess that can be like the little black box they recover from airplane wreckage.


Actually, a guy in my fencing group does this; he's been hit something like three times in five years, busted leg, concussion, various ribs, etc...his helmet video camera is helping him collect a tidy sum from the last idiot who ran him down. He just got married, so it'll be a nice downpayment for their house.
 
2012-07-23 09:38:28 AM

Prevailing Wind: [i.dailymail.co.uk image 634x395]

I don't understand.


You love this thread?
 
2012-07-23 09:38:44 AM

Confabulat: Police flirting.


The follow up story: County Sheriff's Department sued for Deputy stalking bicycling woman for miles each day.
 
2012-07-23 09:39:49 AM
ginmillerfitness.com

Being saluted by fellow riders for surviving pancreatic cancer
 
2012-07-23 09:42:01 AM
The article says no violation occurred. This will be tossed out in court.
 
2012-07-23 09:43:51 AM
Being purple is not a protected class.
 
2012-07-23 09:45:49 AM
My only issue with cyclists is that you don't need to wear your full Spandex getup for every ride.

When you're doing a couple of loops around the park, you'll be just fine in a regular pair of shorts and tshirt.

And, runners. Stop wearing those little farking belts with 10 little water bottles in them for a 6 mile run. You look ridiculous when regular people are out there doing 10 miles just drinking out of the fountains on the trail.
 
2012-07-23 09:46:05 AM

Confabulat: black box they recover from airplane wreckage


Pretty much. I'm going to be out there riding anyhow, so if some asshat is going to run me down, at least I'll have enough evidence to send his ass to jail for a long time.

I started out with just one mounted to my handlebars, but now I have one under the seatpost facing backwards, and another one on my helmet. Might be coincidental at this point, but it seems like when I added the helmet cam, drivers actually started noticing that they were on camera and began behaving a little better.
 
2012-07-23 09:47:00 AM

macadamnut: stay on the sidewalk where you belong


Hell yeah I stay on the sidewalk as much as possible. Wow I'd hate to inconvenience a pedestrian to move to the right a little rather than risk death on the road.

Sorry dude, I like to survive and I know my fellow man is an idiot. You bike on a roadway, you are putting implicit trust in every single anonymous car that zooms mere feet by you that they are not texting, drinking, drinking and texting, getting a blow job, doing their makeup, falling asleep, etc., etc.

That's just not smart human behavior. That's like Darwinism at work if you die out there with a perfectly good sidewalk 10 feet over with a couple of cute chicks jogging or something.
 
2012-07-23 09:48:09 AM

Confabulat: serial_crusher: Confabulat: Stop for them. Always, no matter if you have the right-of-way

Don't listen to this guy. Last thing we need is more cyclists doing this, convincing more drivers that that's how it's supposed to work. Take your lane and follow the laws just like you'd expect any other vehicle to do.

Also strap video cameras to your bike in case anything happens. You can get a decent camera for under $200.

Ha, I guess that can be like the little black box they recover from airplane wreckage.


I think he's trying to convince cyclists to get themselves killed.
 
2012-07-23 09:49:35 AM

Confabulat: macadamnut: stay on the sidewalk where you belong

Hell yeah I stay on the sidewalk as much as possible. Wow I'd hate to inconvenience a pedestrian to move to the right a little rather than risk death on the road.

Sorry dude, I like to survive and I know my fellow man is an idiot. You bike on a roadway, you are putting implicit trust in every single anonymous car that zooms mere feet by you that they are not texting, drinking, drinking and texting, getting a blow job, doing their makeup, falling asleep, etc., etc.

That's just not smart human behavior. That's like Darwinism at work if you die out there with a perfectly good sidewalk 10 feet over with a couple of cute chicks jogging or something.


Most places prohibit bikers from using sidewalks so they don't run down pedestrians. It'd be quite painful to get hit by a Lance Armstrong wannabe, flying down the sidewalk at 20 to 30 mph.

Bikers are supposed to stay to the edge of the lane of traffic on the shoulder or breakdown lane.

Why the farking joggers are in the middle of the road when there's a sidewalk next to them is a much more valid question.
 
2012-07-23 09:51:06 AM

SchlingFocker: Runners who run 3 and 4 abreast in the trail and give you stink eye when you don't move as you're running towards them are pretty farking obnoxious too.


That's when I drop down into a football crouch, yell HIKE!" and tackle one, linebacker style. Then run away whooping like zoidberg (V)(°,,,,°)(V)
 
2012-07-23 09:51:30 AM

Confabulat: macadamnut: stay on the sidewalk where you belong

Hell yeah I stay on the sidewalk as much as possible. Wow I'd hate to inconvenience a pedestrian to move to the right a little rather than risk death on the road.

Sorry dude, I like to survive and I know my fellow man is an idiot. You bike on a roadway, you are putting implicit trust in every single anonymous car that zooms mere feet by you that they are not texting, drinking, drinking and texting, getting a blow job, doing their makeup, falling asleep, etc., etc.

That's just not smart human behavior. That's like Darwinism at work if you die out there with a perfectly good sidewalk 10 feet over with a couple of cute chicks jogging or something.


As long as you obey the rules as you would if you were a pedestrian, you're fine on the sidewalks.

In Houston, I stay on the sidewalks when I do ride. Drivers seriously hate cyclists here.
 
2012-07-23 09:52:31 AM

SchlingFocker: My only issue with cyclists is that you don't need to wear your full Spandex getup for every ride.

When you're doing a couple of loops around the park, you'll be just fine in a regular pair of shorts and tshirt.


you know, I've been asking myself what I can do to cause even more chaffing and dangerous wrecks when my shorts get snagged on the seat. Thanks for the advice!

And, runners. Stop wearing those little farking belts with 10 little water bottles in them for a 6 mile run. You look ridiculous when regular people are out there doing 10 miles just drinking out of the fountains on the trail.

Maybe those have electrolytes in them instead of just water?
This time of year though, I take two 24 oz handheld bottles on a 6 mile run and drink them both.
 
2012-07-23 09:54:37 AM

SchlingFocker: In Houston, I stay on the sidewalks when I do ride. Drivers seriously hate cyclists here.


Houston's got some pretty terribly maintained bike lanes too. I usually stuck to the sidewalks when I lived there too.
 
2012-07-23 09:55:03 AM

fluffy2097: Bikers are supposed to stay to the edge of the lane of traffic on the shoulder or breakdown lane.


In most places bicyclists are entitled to the entire lane by law.
 
2012-07-23 09:55:19 AM
so her defense is i broke the law...but other people did too?

seems legit, god bless amerkia
 
2012-07-23 09:55:28 AM

serial_crusher:
I started out with just one mounted to my handlebars, but now I have one under the seatpost facing backwards, and another one on my helmet. Might be coincidental at this point, but it seems like when I added the helmet cam, drivers actually started noticing that they were on camera and began behaving a little better.


May I ask what types you use? I have an older Oregon Scientific (I think) that's mounted on my handle bars, but it's too bulky to use as a helmet cam and the sound is only good when i'm stopped. I think I need to upgrade and get a rear facing cam too.

/it's a black box
//RoadID = Corpse tag :)
 
2012-07-23 09:55:42 AM

Confabulat: xanadian: I'm sure this thread will be filled with reasoned debate regarding cyclists and cycling.

There's no debate really. I don't own a car so I ride my bike everywhere. I don't do it because of the environment or because I'm a hippy or anything, I just can't afford auto insurance and I don't have a driver's license. I live in St. Petersburg, Florida which is not always an easy place to navigate (but a lot better than Tampa, damn!)

There is only one thing you need to know: Never trust anyone driving a car, and never expect them to stop for you, pay attention to you, or notice you. Stop for them. Always, no matter if you have the right-of-way. You may not like them and may want to yell at them for being ignorant of your divine rights as a biker, but you will lose this battle every time, so just shut up, stay on the sidewalk where you belong, and quit acting like drivers are ever going to treat you as an equal because "that's the law."

When you get on a busy roadway on a bicycle your only thought should be how to stay alive. Never think the guy behind you isn't methed out of his skull right now.

The "law" won't do you much good when they are scraping your brains off the roadway.


+1 Internet on this. Laws are one thing, self-preservation is what matters. In my experience, someone driving a 2 ton SUV is usually on the cell phone as well and is not paying enough attention to anything around them, so the bike riders (and other auto drivers) need to drive defensively even if they have the right of way.
 
2012-07-23 09:55:46 AM

fluffy2097: Nothing in the article says that they were racing. They were just riding their bikes.


What difference does that make? They are legally required to be in the road as riding on sidewalks is prohibited in most places and observe vehicle and traffic laws. Supposed there is no designated bike lane?
A bike in front of you in a car has the right of way, so move to the left and pass when safe to do so.
Cop was an asshat IMHO
/not a bike rider
//GED law, yuk yuk
 
2012-07-23 09:56:17 AM
"The highways are crowded with people who drive as if their sole purpose in getting behind the wheel is to avenge every wrong done them by man, beast or fate. The only thing that keeps them in line is their fear of death, jail and lawsuits."
-Hunter S. Thompson, Hells Angels
 
2012-07-23 09:57:52 AM

urger: In most places bicyclists are entitled to the entire lane by law.


Not if they aren't going the speed limit they are not. They must always yield to faster moving traffic. Riding line abreast at 5 mph chatting to your friends in a 35mph zone does not fly.
 
2012-07-23 09:59:05 AM

fluffy2097: Bikers are supposed to stay to the edge of the lane of traffic on the shoulder or breakdown lane.


I see you live in Massachusetts. I also see that Massachusetts doesn't have a keep right law. That's god.

Here in Texas you have to stay right unless there's an obstruction or the lane is narrower than 14 feet. It's a stupid law. Most lanes are narrower than 14 feet.
 
2012-07-23 09:59:24 AM

serial_crusher: SchlingFocker: My only issue with cyclists is that you don't need to wear your full Spandex getup for every ride.

When you're doing a couple of loops around the park, you'll be just fine in a regular pair of shorts and tshirt.

you know, I've been asking myself what I can do to cause even more chaffing and dangerous wrecks when my shorts get snagged on the seat. Thanks for the advice!

And, runners. Stop wearing those little farking belts with 10 little water bottles in them for a 6 mile run. You look ridiculous when regular people are out there doing 10 miles just drinking out of the fountains on the trail.

Maybe those have electrolytes in them instead of just water?
This time of year though, I take two 24 oz handheld bottles on a 6 mile run and drink them both.


It's just a fashion fad that's popped up here in the last few years (bottle belts).

If you're actually doing enough mileage to deplete your electrolytes, pin a gu pack or two inside your shorts. Same result, and you don't have a million bottles jingling around.

But the bulk of the people wearing those are doing light, short runs where electrolytes aren't an issue.
 
2012-07-23 10:00:27 AM
Cyclists that ride together two or three beside each other (instead of single file) deserve to get ticketed. Brief passing is okay, but wait until there are no cars. Otherwise you deserve the ticket.
And as for the complaint about being the only one getting a ticket: that reminds me of the following joke:

Driver: Why are you giving me a ticket for speeding? There are lots of other cars driving the same speed!
Cop: Have you ever gone fishing?
Driver: Yes.
Cop: Well, have you caught every single fish in the lake?
 
2012-07-23 10:03:32 AM

Mr_H: serial_crusher:
I started out with just one mounted to my handlebars, but now I have one under the seatpost facing backwards, and another one on my helmet. Might be coincidental at this point, but it seems like when I added the helmet cam, drivers actually started noticing that they were on camera and began behaving a little better.

May I ask what types you use? I have an older Oregon Scientific (I think) that's mounted on my handle bars, but it's too bulky to use as a helmet cam and the sound is only good when i'm stopped. I think I need to upgrade and get a rear facing cam too.

/it's a black box
//RoadID = Corpse tag :)


ContourROAM, all 3 of 'em. Sound isn't that great, mostly just road noise, but you can hear honking horns, skidding tires, yourself screaming profanity, that sort of thing.
My YouTube videos if you're interested in sample quality.

I kind of think it would be cool to start up a business that makes cameras specifically for bikes, where they all connect to one battery/storage so it's not such a hassle to charge and download the videos.
 
2012-07-23 10:03:52 AM

GoldDude: Cyclists that ride together two or three beside each other (instead of single file) deserve to get ticketed. Brief passing is okay, but wait until there are no cars. Otherwise you deserve the ticket.
And as for the complaint about being the only one getting a ticket: that reminds me of the following joke:



Yup. Exactly. MA has a law specifically requiring you to ride single file unless you are passing.

I've seen bikers "passing eachother" for over half a mile. You bet their ass they should be ticketed for that. A full $20 ticket!
 
2012-07-23 10:04:38 AM
Her helmet looks like an grey alien mated with a golf ball.
 
2012-07-23 10:06:16 AM

GoldDude: Cyclists that ride together two or three beside each other (instead of single file) deserve to get ticketed. Brief passing is okay, but wait until there are no cars. Otherwise you deserve the ticket.
And as for the complaint about being the only one getting a ticket: that reminds me of the following joke:

Driver: Why are you giving me a ticket for speeding? There are lots of other cars driving the same speed!
Cop: Have you ever gone fishing?
Driver: Yes.
Cop: Well, have you caught every single fish in the lake?


Driver: Maybe you just suck at fishing.

/Driver: What do you mean, "step out of the car"?
 
2012-07-23 10:06:39 AM

fluffy2097: urger: In most places bicyclists are entitled to the entire lane by law.

Not if they aren't going the speed limit they are not. They must always yield to faster moving traffic. Riding line abreast at 5 mph chatting to your friends in a 35mph zone does not fly.


Ding ding ding.


Also: riding 2 or 3 abreast on a 55 mph country road in the middle of a blind curve is just asking to get plowed into.
 
2012-07-23 10:07:39 AM

urger: fluffy2097: Bikers are supposed to stay to the edge of the lane of traffic on the shoulder or breakdown lane.

In most places bicyclists are entitled to the entire lane by law.


Not in Illinois:
From ILLINOIS VEHICLE CODE 625 ILCS 5/

Sec. 11-1505. Position of bicycles and motorized pedal cycles on roadways-Riding on roadways and bicycle paths.
(a) Any person operating a bicycle or motorized pedal cycle upon a roadway at less than the normal speed of traffic at the time and place and under the conditions then existing shall ride as close as practicable to the right-hand curb or edge of the roadway except under the following situations: 1. When overtaking and passing another bicycle, motorized pedal cycle or vehicle proceeding in the same direction; or 2. When preparing for a left turn at an intersection or into a private road or driveway; or 3. When reasonably necessary to avoid conditions including, but not limited to, fixed or moving objects, parked or moving vehicles, bicycles, motorized pedal cycles, pedestrians, animals, surface hazards, or substandard width lanes that make it unsafe to continue along the right-hand curb or edge. For purposes of this subsection, a "substandard width lane" means a lane that is too narrow for a bicycle or motorized pedal cycle and a vehicle to travel safely side by side within the lane.
(b) Any person operating a bicycle or motorized pedal cycle upon a one-way highway with two or more marked traffic lanes may ride as near the left-hand curb or edge of such roadway as practicable.

Sec. 11-1505.1. Don't ride more than 2 abreast; Stay in one lane
Persons riding bicycles or motorized pedal cycles upon a roadway shall not ride more than 2 abreast, except on paths or parts of roadways set aside for their exclusive use. Persons riding 2 abreast shall not impede the normal and reasonable movement of traffic and, on a laned roadway, shall ride within a single lane subject to the provisions of Section 11-1505 [625 ILCS 5/11-1505].
 
2012-07-23 10:11:09 AM

fluffy2097: MA has a law specifically requiring you to ride single file unless you are passing.


actually you can ride two abreast.
 
2012-07-23 10:12:07 AM

kroonermanblack: Confabulat: xanadian: I'm sure this thread will be filled with reasoned debate regarding cyclists and cycling.

There's no debate really. I don't own a car so I ride my bike everywhere. I don't do it because of the environment or because I'm a hippy or anything, I just can't afford auto insurance and I don't have a driver's license. I live in St. Petersburg, Florida which is not always an easy place to navigate (but a lot better than Tampa, damn!)

There is only one thing you need to know: Never trust anyone driving a car, and never expect them to stop for you, pay attention to you, or notice you. Stop for them. Always, no matter if you have the right-of-way. You may not like them and may want to yell at them for being ignorant of your divine rights as a biker, but you will lose this battle every time, so just shut up, stay on the sidewalk where you belong, and quit acting like drivers are ever going to treat you as an equal because "that's the law."

When you get on a busy roadway on a bicycle your only thought should be how to stay alive. Never think the guy behind you isn't methed out of his skull right now.

The "law" won't do you much good when they are scraping your brains off the roadway.

Ya, this is a real farking impartial statement here. 'I DON'T OWN A CAR BUT HERE IS MY LAW ON HOW YOU ACT'.


He's not wrong.
 
2012-07-23 10:14:03 AM

serial_crusher: Mr_H: serial_crusher:
I started out with just one mounted to my handlebars, but now I have one under the seatpost facing backwards, and another one on my helmet. Might be coincidental at this point, but it seems like when I added the helmet cam, drivers actually started noticing that they were on camera and began behaving a little better.

May I ask what types you use? I have an older Oregon Scientific (I think) that's mounted on my handle bars, but it's too bulky to use as a helmet cam and the sound is only good when i'm stopped. I think I need to upgrade and get a rear facing cam too.

/it's a black box
//RoadID = Corpse tag :)

ContourROAM, all 3 of 'em. Sound isn't that great, mostly just road noise, but you can hear honking horns, skidding tires, yourself screaming profanity, that sort of thing.
My YouTube videos if you're interested in sample quality.

I kind of think it would be cool to start up a business that makes cameras specifically for bikes, where they all connect to one battery/storage so it's not such a hassle to charge and download the videos.


Thanks, nice quality, better then mine.The sound isn't that bad actually. I'll have to keep an eye on these for a sale.
I've thought about getting a 'EyeFi' card to upload my video as I go, but it'd kill my cellphone plan (current camera averages about 400 megs for a 40 minute commute).
 
2012-07-23 10:15:11 AM

Confabulat: xanadian: I'm sure this thread will be filled with reasoned debate regarding cyclists and cycling.

There's no debate really. I don't own a car so I ride my bike everywhere. I don't do it because of the environment or because I'm a hippy or anything, I just can't afford auto insurance and I don't have a driver's license. I live in St. Petersburg, Florida which is not always an easy place to navigate (but a lot better than Tampa, damn!)

There is only one thing you need to know: Never trust anyone driving a car, and never expect them to stop for you, pay attention to you, or notice you. Stop for them. Always, no matter if you have the right-of-way. You may not like them and may want to yell at them for being ignorant of your divine rights as a biker, but you will lose this battle every time, so just shut up, stay on the sidewalk where you belong, and quit acting like drivers are ever going to treat you as an equal because "that's the law."

When you get on a busy roadway on a bicycle your only thought should be how to stay alive. Never think the guy behind you isn't methed out of his skull right now.

The "law" won't do you much good when they are scraping your brains off the roadway.


You had me up until there. 2/10.
 
2012-07-23 10:15:29 AM

machodonkeywrestler: kroonermanblack: Confabulat: xanadian: I'm sure this thread will be filled with reasoned debate regarding cyclists and cycling.

There's no debate really. I don't own a car so I ride my bike everywhere. I don't do it because of the environment or because I'm a hippy or anything, I just can't afford auto insurance and I don't have a driver's license. I live in St. Petersburg, Florida which is not always an easy place to navigate (but a lot better than Tampa, damn!)

There is only one thing you need to know: Never trust anyone driving a car, and never expect them to stop for you, pay attention to you, or notice you. Stop for them. Always, no matter if you have the right-of-way. You may not like them and may want to yell at them for being ignorant of your divine rights as a biker, but you will lose this battle every time, so just shut up, stay on the sidewalk where you belong, and quit acting like drivers are ever going to treat you as an equal because "that's the law."

When you get on a busy roadway on a bicycle your only thought should be how to stay alive. Never think the guy behind you isn't methed out of his skull right now.

The "law" won't do you much good when they are scraping your brains off the roadway.

Ya, this is a real farking impartial statement here. 'I DON'T OWN A CAR BUT HERE IS MY LAW ON HOW YOU ACT'.

He's not wrong.


Right or wrong is not the point. At least he will stay alive.
/licensed motorcyclist in Paris France of all places
//I'm with him make like they are all trying to kill and you might survive
 
2012-07-23 10:22:01 AM

Confabulat: stay on the sidewalk where you belong


Bikes don't belong on the sidewalk. Or it'd be called a sidebike.
 
2012-07-23 10:24:32 AM

karmaceutical: "Sometimes even if you honk, they don't move," she said. "They'll flip you off or start screaming at you as you drive past. I honked at the cyclists to alert them I was behind thembecause I'm an impatient douchebag while they were taking up the entire street and they didn't move. They began flipping me off and as I drove past."

What an asshole.


No doubt. Fixed that for him. DOT said there'd be slower traffic when you got your license.
 
2012-07-23 10:25:31 AM

PunGent: Hell, that's good advice when you're in a CAR, let alone on a bike.


My mum always said, "If you think a motorist is about to do something stupid, you're probably right."

That bit of advice has saved me from a LOT of accidents.
 
2012-07-23 10:28:03 AM

SchlingFocker: And, runners. Stop wearing those little farking belts with 10 little water bottles in them for a 6 mile run. You look ridiculous when regular people are out there doing 10 miles just drinking out of the fountains on the trail.


Really? Peoples water decisions are what grinds your gears? I have a counter proposal: Carry as much water as you damned well feel like. Also, it's cute that you run on trails with plumbing.
 
2012-07-23 10:28:20 AM

serial_crusher: Confabulat: black box they recover from airplane wreckage

Pretty much. I'm going to be out there riding anyhow, so if some asshat is going to run me down, at least I'll have enough evidence to send his ass to jail for a long time.

I started out with just one mounted to my handlebars, but now I have one under the seatpost facing backwards, and another one on my helmet. Might be coincidental at this point, but it seems like when I added the helmet cam, drivers actually started noticing that they were on camera and began behaving a little better.


I have never EVER had a problem with a motorist. Of course, I try to stay to the side of the road as much as possible. Also helps to have your head on a swivel.
 
2012-07-23 10:29:08 AM

SchlingFocker: My only issue with cyclists is that you don't need to wear your full Spandex getup for every ride.


I agree! I can understand the lycra and spandex on long tours or a race, but to go get groceries or ride to work? Baggy pants and a loose t-shirt breathes better and the added wind drag isn't a performance factor for utility cycling.

And, runners. Stop wearing those little farking belts with 10 little water bottles in them for a 6 mile run. You look ridiculous when regular people are out there doing 10 miles just drinking out of the fountains on the trail.

Pet peeve about drinking fountains along cycleways: Make the spigot bigger. It's a brazillion degrees out, I'd like to actually drink some water, not sip it from a metal drinking straw trickling away.
 
2012-07-23 10:29:56 AM
serial_crusher
Confabulat: Stop for them. Always, no matter if you have the right-of-way

Don't listen to this guy. Last thing we need is more cyclists doing this, convincing more drivers that that's how it's supposed to work.


I usually make eye contact with the driver and signal to them to go on.
Because Confabulat is right that slowing down or even stopping until you can be sure that the driver respects your right-of-way is the only safe thing you can do. And at that point I often need so much time to get back to speed and across the road that the car can easily pass in the meantime.
 
2012-07-23 10:30:26 AM

fluffy2097: Bikers are supposed to stay to the edge of the lane of traffic on the shoulder or breakdown lane.


Though if there's no shoulder and the lane is too narrow to allow someone to safely pass, bikers are expected to take the lane.
 
2012-07-23 10:30:47 AM

fireclown: SchlingFocker: And, runners. Stop wearing those little farking belts with 10 little water bottles in them for a 6 mile run. You look ridiculous when regular people are out there doing 10 miles just drinking out of the fountains on the trail.

Really? Peoples water decisions are what grinds your gears? I have a counter proposal: Carry as much water as you damned well feel like. Also, it's cute that you run on trails with plumbing.


Yeah, the only "drinking fountains" we have here run pretty much horizontally, and are probably full of pesticides and moose piss.
 
2012-07-23 10:31:30 AM
This brave hero of the Reich is a g.d. hero no matter what you cop bashers say. Yet another example of how these brave brave men put their lives on the line, every day.

I hope the city has occasion to give he and his brothers the parade they so richly deserve.
ww3.hdnux.com
 
2012-07-23 10:31:50 AM

SchlingFocker: As long as you obey the rules as you would if you were a pedestrian, you're fine on the sidewalks.


Why bother dragging the bike along, then?
 
2012-07-23 10:32:26 AM

serial_crusher: Maybe those have electrolytes in them instead of just water?


So just ask a hot dog vendor to give you a cup of their boiler water.
 
2012-07-23 10:33:32 AM

tbhouston: so her defense is i broke the law...but other people did too?

seems legit, god bless amerkia


No, they all moved over to the next lane to overtake another cyclist, something that the article even mentions is explicitly allowed. Her defense is nobody broke the law because everyone was overtaking Granny.
 
2012-07-23 10:34:39 AM

tbhouston: so her defense is i broke the law...but other people did too?

seems legit, god bless amerkia


Her defense will be she broke no law.

Her suit will presumably be that she was singled out.
 
2012-07-23 10:34:59 AM

Mr_H: /it's a black box
//RoadID = Corpse tag :)


Never saw the point of RoadID. I've usually got my wallet on me, my driver's license is in there. When I'm out of state, I usually have my passport. If you can't figure out who I am from that, well, the problem isn't me, it's you. ;o)
 
2012-07-23 10:35:04 AM

SchlingFocker: And, runners. Stop wearing those little farking belts with 10 little water bottles in them for a 6 mile run. You look ridiculous when regular people are out there doing 10 miles just drinking out of the fountains on the trail.


Personally I run with water for almost any run in the summer but I use one of those carriers with a regular bottle at a 45 degree angle at the back. Is your head asploding?
 
2012-07-23 10:35:51 AM

jaytkay: Prevailing Wind: [i.dailymail.co.uk image 634x395]

I don't understand.

You love this thread?


Right in one!
 
2012-07-23 10:37:17 AM
Oh great... another thread of why somebodies hobby should supersede the laws of the land, one bike lane not enough maybe there should be one car lane so you can pretend your a real athlete by wearing spandex...
 
2012-07-23 10:38:26 AM

spentmiles: I hit a cyclist with an empty handle of Jack Daniel's yesterday morning.


Do you ever write anything worth reading?

It's like you're the Westboro Baptist Church of Fark.
 
2012-07-23 10:42:55 AM

fluffy2097: Not if they aren't going the speed limit they are not. They must always yield to faster moving traffic.


[citation needed]

I know this isn't true in Oregon, Washington and Oklahoma. In all three, cyclists stay on the shoulder when it's safe to do so, otherwise take the lane. Same when overtaking, or merging left to get to a turn lane, or to avoid a right-turn-only lane.
 
2012-07-23 10:44:46 AM

SchlingFocker: Sorry dude, I like to survive and I know my fellow man is an idiot. You bike on a roadway, you are putting implicit trust in every single anonymous car that zooms mere feet by you that they are not texting, drinking, drinking and texting, getting a blow job, doing their makeup, falling asleep, etc., etc.

That's just not smart human behavior. That's like Darwinism at work if you die out there with a perfectly good sidewalk 10 feet over with a couple of cute chicks jogging or something.

As long as you obey the rules as you would if you were a pedestrian, you're fine on the sidewalks.


You run the risk of getting hit by a car backing out of their driveway when riding on the sidewalk. Drivers are just not looking for a vehicle going 15 mph when backing out. You'll also get hit by cars as they approach cross streets. Cars NEVER stop before the sidewalk at intersections; this is especially true when they want to make a right turn on red. It is much safer to ride on the road than on the sidewalk.
 
2012-07-23 10:47:37 AM

ph0rk: Also: riding 2 or 3 abreast on a 55 mph country road in the middle of a blind curve is just asking to get plowed into.


Rounding a blind curve at speeds faster than you can react to an obstacle is asking to cause a wreck. It might not be a cyclist there. It might be a disabled car, a large animal, boulders, something that fell off a truck...if you can't see ahead, slow down. Not sure why you're driving if you're blaming a potential victim for your inability to obey the basic speed rule. This isn't rocket science, it's the law.
 
2012-07-23 10:49:13 AM

TenJed_77: urger: fluffy2097: Bikers are supposed to stay to the edge of the lane of traffic on the shoulder or breakdown lane.

In most places bicyclists are entitled to the entire lane by law.

Not in Illinois:
From ILLINOIS VEHICLE CODE 625 ILCS 5/

Sec. 11-1505. Position of bicycles and motorized pedal cycles on roadways-Riding on roadways and bicycle paths.
(a) Any person operating a bicycle or motorized pedal cycle upon a roadway at less than the normal speed of traffic at the time and place and under the conditions then existing shall ride as close as practicable to the right-hand curb or edge of the roadway except under the following situations: 1. When overtaking and passing another bicycle, motorized pedal cycle or vehicle proceeding in the same direction; or 2. When preparing for a left turn at an intersection or into a private road or driveway; or 3. When reasonably necessary to avoid conditions including, but not limited to, fixed or moving objects, parked or moving vehicles, bicycles, motorized pedal cycles, pedestrians, animals, surface hazards, or substandard width lanes that make it unsafe to continue along the right-hand curb or edge. For purposes of this subsection, a "substandard width lane" means a lane that is too narrow for a bicycle or motorized pedal cycle and a vehicle to travel safely side by side within the lane.


When trying to say that cyclists don't, it's best not to try to prove your point by using the exact paragraph of law that says you're wrong.
 
2012-07-23 10:50:02 AM
Confabulat
stay on the sidewalk where you belong, and quit acting like drivers are ever going to treat you as an equal because "that's the law."

not with that kind of attitude.
 
2012-07-23 10:50:18 AM

serial_crusher: Confabulat: Stop for them. Always, no matter if you have the right-of-way

Don't listen to this guy. Last thing we need is more cyclists doing this, convincing more drivers that that's how it's supposed to work. Take your lane and follow the laws just like you'd expect any other vehicle to do.

Also strap video cameras to your bike in case anything happens. You can get a decent camera for under $200.


Given the frequency at which bicyclists violate traffic laws, that would be just like how street thugs auto-convict themselves on facebook.
 
2012-07-23 10:50:58 AM
www.cityweekly.net
 
2012-07-23 10:51:28 AM

SchlingFocker: My only issue with cyclists is that you don't need to wear your full Spandex getup for every ride.

When you're doing a couple of loops around the park, you'll be just fine in a regular pair of shorts and tshirt.


Well, that's what I thought til I started riding in proper biking gear.

When you sweat like I do a T-shirt is no help in very short order, the wicking and venting of a good jersey improves comfort a great deal.

I shouldn't even have to mention what an addition to comfort a padded pair of shorts is, much less the anti-chafing effect of the chamois insert, and the hammocking of those pesky testicles.

I thought that toe clips were adequate until I got a pair of good pedals and riding shoes.

In short, you're just wrong.

Our one point of agreement may be the notion of putting on matched gear. When I see an overweight, middle-aged dude (which would describe me pretty well) huffing up a slight incline in his perfectly matched "Livestrong" kit (complete with color-coordinated socks and shoes) I think "what a tool", just like you.

I have exactly two jerseys with endorser logos on them, and they are both from events that I actually rode. I'll be damned If I'm going to be some company's rolling billboard just to look cool like a tool. But if you're going to give me an eighty-dollar jersey for a century ride that I trained for months to be able to do, I'll wear that sucker with pride.

I earned it.
 
2012-07-23 10:51:59 AM

This text is now purple: serial_crusher: Confabulat: Stop for them. Always, no matter if you have the right-of-way

Don't listen to this guy. Last thing we need is more cyclists doing this, convincing more drivers that that's how it's supposed to work. Take your lane and follow the laws just like you'd expect any other vehicle to do.

Also strap video cameras to your bike in case anything happens. You can get a decent camera for under $200.

Given the frequency at which bicyclists violate traffic laws, that would be just like how street thugs auto-convict themselves on facebook.


I wonder if you can still pass the eye test with that kind of selective vision. Amateur motorists (and most cabbies) are just as bad.
 
2012-07-23 10:52:39 AM

Baloo Uriza: Mr_H: /it's a black box
//RoadID = Corpse tag :)

Never saw the point of RoadID. I've usually got my wallet on me, my driver's license is in there. When I'm out of state, I usually have my passport. If you can't figure out who I am from that, well, the problem isn't me, it's you. ;o)


For identification purposes, yeah, it can be redundant (when commuting I have my license, but not when mountain biking, or jogging). Mine does have some more useful info that makes it worth while: Blood type, drug allergies, emergency contact. Info that I think would be useful to paramedics if I'm KO'd. Some of the newer ones have a microchip or a code on them that they can read even more info.
 
2012-07-23 10:55:26 AM

fluffy2097: MA has a law specifically requiring you to ride single file unless you are passing.

I've seen bikers "passing eachother" for over half a mile.


I see cars in the left passing lane, going 15mph over the legal speed limit passing for 10 and 20 miles. They don't get tickets. Why focus on bikes when cars are the life threatening menace on the road?
 
2012-07-23 10:57:56 AM

SchlingFocker: As long as you obey the rules as you would if you were a pedestrian, you're fine on the sidewalks.

In Houston, I stay on the sidewalks when I do ride. Drivers seriously hate cyclists here.


Yeah, this.

I'm all for bike lane riding, but in my hometown there's no such thing. So my dad (who logs over 1,000 miles a year on a 1970s Schwinn) uses the sidewalks, but like me (cause he taught me) anytime there's a business, side street, wherever a pedestrian might step out in a split second, you slow the f--k down to walking speeds. Pick it up again when you have clear vision and less places people can pop out of.

I live in a city with decent bike lanes, now. I generally do a combination of those and sidewalks. Except when the tourists were here last week... after hearing a bus driver slam on the horn and brake on no less than five occasions of people pulling out in front of us / turning left across us with inches to spare, etc., I kept to the sidewalks on side streets.

/seriously, how they could not see A GODDAMN bus I still have no idea
 
2012-07-23 11:00:23 AM

Muta: SchlingFocker: Sorry dude, I like to survive and I know my fellow man is an idiot. You bike on a roadway, you are putting implicit trust in every single anonymous car that zooms mere feet by you that they are not texting, drinking, drinking and texting, getting a blow job, doing their makeup, falling asleep, etc., etc.

That's just not smart human behavior. That's like Darwinism at work if you die out there with a perfectly good sidewalk 10 feet over with a couple of cute chicks jogging or something.

As long as you obey the rules as you would if you were a pedestrian, you're fine on the sidewalks.

You run the risk of getting hit by a car backing out of their driveway when riding on the sidewalk. Drivers are just not looking for a vehicle going 15 mph when backing out. You'll also get hit by cars as they approach cross streets. Cars NEVER stop before the sidewalk at intersections; this is especially true when they want to make a right turn on red. It is much safer to ride on the road than on the sidewalk.


That's why you act as if you're a pedestrian. Slow down and look, be aware of your surroundings.

It's not optimal, but it's preferable to riding in the streets inside the loop where the drivers are actively trying to hit you.
 
2012-07-23 11:08:21 AM
My tri yesterday closed down a major highway for the bike course, so I'm getting a kick, etc.

/missed my goal time by 1:30 :(
 
2012-07-23 11:09:47 AM

Confabulat: xanadian: I'm sure this thread will be filled with reasoned debate regarding cyclists and cycling.

There's no debate really. I don't own a car so I ride my bike everywhere. I don't do it because of the environment or because I'm a hippy or anything, I just can't afford auto insurance and I don't have a driver's license. I live in St. Petersburg, Florida which is not always an easy place to navigate (but a lot better than Tampa, damn!)

There is only one thing you need to know: Never trust anyone driving a car, and never expect them to stop for you, pay attention to you, or notice you. Stop for them. Always, no matter if you have the right-of-way. You may not like them and may want to yell at them for being ignorant of your divine rights as a biker, but you will lose this battle every time, so just shut up, stay on the sidewalk where you belong, and quit acting like drivers are ever going to treat you as an equal because "that's the law."

When you get on a busy roadway on a bicycle your only thought should be how to stay alive. Never think the guy behind you isn't methed out of his skull right now.

The "law" won't do you much good when they are scraping your brains off the roadway.


I'm with ya there. When I was young and poor(er), I rode a bike from downtown St Pete to Westshore & Gandy every afternoon. The wifey would drop me and my bike off at work, and I'd cycle home, because we couldn't afford a second car and insurance. I stuck to the sidewalks and the shoulder of the road. On Gandy, I'd ride on the shoulder in the grass. Crazy f*ckers around here will drive off the pavement after you. One afternoon I caught a half can of Budweiser between the shoulder blades about 300 yards before the Gandy bridge. I was about 5 feet over on the shoulder in the grass and went ass over tea kettle. The next day I went to a buy-here-pay-here and bought a beater.

In theory, the bicycle is equal. In practice, it's a moving target. The right of way does you little good when you're dead.

And it ain't much better when you're on a motorcycle.
 
2012-07-23 11:15:06 AM
On the one hand, grrrr... on the other, Tri riders scare the shiat out of me. Bunch of sketchy, no skills, two-wheeled menaces.
 
2012-07-23 11:16:12 AM

serial_crusher: fluffy2097: MA has a law specifically requiring you to ride single file unless you are passing.

actually you can ride two abreast.


i2.listal.com

He's right you know...
 
2012-07-23 11:16:27 AM
I think it's romantic.

It's love at first cite.
 
2012-07-23 11:16:30 AM

fluffy2097: It'd be quite painful to get hit by a Lance Armstrong wannabe, flying down the sidewalk at 20 to 30 mph.


Oh god yeah, those assholes are embarrassing to drivers and us regular bikers alike. I bike because it's my transportation, not because I'm in some imaginary contest with myself. I chill out, enjoy the scenery, listen to music on the bluetooth headphone thingee, and I'm a happy little kid.

Then one of those morons in purple spandax with their head down BECAUSE THIS IS SERIOUS chases me out of the bike lane.

There are bikers, people who use their bikes to get around in life. Then there are "bikers," the spandax serious sort who probably commute to work for an hour each way and then spend two hours biking. We all know those goobs.
 
2012-07-23 11:21:46 AM

Deucednuisance: spentmiles: I hit a cyclist with an empty handle of Jack Daniel's yesterday morning.

Do you ever write anything worth reading?

It's like you're the Westboro Baptist Church of Fark.


Blasphemy! Your post was bad and you should feel bad.
 
2012-07-23 11:26:34 AM

Confabulat: Then there are "bikers," the spandax serious sort who probably commute to work for an hour each way and then spend two hours biking. We all know those goobs.


...

*cough*

>.>
 
2012-07-23 11:29:53 AM
how about the guy in brazil who cleared his lane?
 
2012-07-23 11:38:44 AM

Confabulat: Oh god yeah, those assholes are embarrassing to drivers and us regular bikers alike. I bike because it's my transportation, not because I'm in some imaginary contest with myself. I chill out, enjoy the scenery, listen to music on the bluetooth headphone thingee, and I'm a happy little kid.


Well that's super. Some other people pursue the hobby differently.

/cyclist =! biker.
 
2012-07-23 11:45:50 AM
I'm thinking of getting a camera for my helmet or bike. I'll post pictures of those asshat cyclist on the River Trail here in Little Rock that think they own the path. Yesterday as I was unloading my bike at the foot of the bridge I heard a guy screaming "on your left". I look up at the bridge and see this douchenozzle coming down the northside of the bridge at a really high speed. walkers were jumping out of the way of this asshat.

later on I was coming up on a couple of slower cyclist, but could not pass because of a couple of walkers coming the opposite way. I slowed and waited until the walkers went by then would make my pass on the cyclist. but no. there were a group of 6 Lance Armstrong wannabees come up behind the walkers yelling out "behind you" and went in between all of us, 2 abreast. asshats. everyone of them. come within inches of hitting someone at the speed they were going.
 
2012-07-23 11:48:26 AM
HEY, MY ASS LOOKS GOOD IN TIGHTS, FARK YOU!
 
2012-07-23 11:52:26 AM

Villemus Fortis: I'm thinking of getting a camera for my helmet or bike. I'll post pictures of those asshat cyclist on the River Trail here in Little Rock that think they own the path. Yesterday as I was unloading my bike at the foot of the bridge I heard a guy screaming "on your left". I look up at the bridge and see this douchenozzle coming down the northside of the bridge at a really high speed. walkers were jumping out of the way of this asshat


I'm a long time cyclist, and I would like to take this moment to speak out against time trialing on rail trails. Those are for weaker or slower riders and walkers.
 
2012-07-23 11:53:20 AM

Confabulat: fluffy2097: It'd be quite painful to get hit by a Lance Armstrong wannabe, flying down the sidewalk at 20 to 30 mph.

Oh god yeah, those assholes are embarrassing to drivers and us regular bikers alike. I bike because it's my transportation, not because I'm in some imaginary contest with myself. I chill out, enjoy the scenery, listen to music on the bluetooth headphone thingee, and I'm a happy little kid.

Then one of those morons in purple spandax with their head down BECAUSE THIS IS SERIOUS chases me out of the bike lane.

There are bikers, people who use their bikes to get around in life. Then there are "bikers," the spandax serious sort who probably commute to work for an hour each way and then spend two hours biking. We all know those goobs.


Sorry for trying to save time by working out on the way to work. You're right, I should just drive my car to the gym, then ride the stationary bike there.

Fast folks do need to cut that shiat out on the sidewalks though. If you're going faster than 15, get on the damned road before you run somebody down. Explicit speed limits on sidewalks would be a good thing.
 
2012-07-23 12:06:20 PM

serial_crusher: Sorry for trying to save time by working out on the way to work. You're right, I should just drive my car to the gym, then ride the stationary bike there.


I'm pretty sure that's the point I was sort of sarcastically making. Were you meta-sarcasming?
 
2012-07-23 12:21:56 PM

protectyourlimbs: Oh great... another thread of why somebodies hobby should supersede the laws of the land, one bike lane not enough maybe there should be one car lane so you can pretend your a real athlete by wearing spandex...


You sound fat
 
2012-07-23 12:33:57 PM

monoski: protectyourlimbs: Oh great... another thread of why somebodies hobby should supersede the laws of the land, one bike lane not enough maybe there should be one car lane so you can pretend your a real athlete by wearing spandex...

You sound fat


I weigh 140 pounds, ride a bike miles and miles every day, and he's exactly right. Every crackhead in town rides a bike too, you know.

/would never wear spandex, wtf, scared of a little butt sweat?
 
2012-07-23 12:39:32 PM

Confabulat: macadamnut: stay on the sidewalk where you belong

Hell yeah I stay on the sidewalk as much as possible. Wow I'd hate to inconvenience a pedestrian to move to the right a little rather than risk death on the road.

Sorry dude, I like to survive and I know my fellow man is an idiot. You bike on a roadway, you are putting implicit trust in every single anonymous car that zooms mere feet by you that they are not texting, drinking, drinking and texting, getting a blow job, doing their makeup, falling asleep, etc., etc.

That's just not smart human behavior. That's like Darwinism at work if you die out there with a perfectly good sidewalk 10 feet over with a couple of cute chicks jogging or something.


And reading this only confirms what I think of cyclists; a bunch of douchebags who think it's OK to risk injuring pedestrians becuase they just can't leave their toys in the yard.

Want respect from others? Try stopping at red lights and stop signs. Get the fark off the sidewalk. Yield the right-of-way when applicable. I understand that drivers-and pedestrians-don't follow all the rules. But cyclists don't seem to believe they have to follow any of them.

When I drive though, I give cyclists the same amoount of respect they've given me, which is to say none. Grow the fark up and get off the sidewalk
 
2012-07-23 01:05:24 PM

monoski: protectyourlimbs: Oh great... another thread of why somebodies hobby should supersede the laws of the land, one bike lane not enough maybe there should be one car lane so you can pretend your a real athlete by wearing spandex...

You sound fat


I am. What's your point?
 
2012-07-23 01:39:59 PM
The officer is right. Purple does get your attention

3.bp.blogspot.com

3.bp.blogspot.com
 
2012-07-23 01:44:18 PM
HTMfail

www.strangecosmos.com
 
2012-07-23 02:32:23 PM

cmb53208: Want respect from others? Try stopping at red lights and stop signs. Get the fark off the sidewalk. Yield the right-of-way when applicable. I understand that drivers-and pedestrians-don't follow all the rules. But cyclists don't seem to believe they have to follow any of them.

When I drive though, I give cyclists the same amoount of respect they've given me, which is to say none. Grow the fark up and get off the sidewalk


I don't want your respect, moran. I want to stay alive. So OOH, YOU notice all bicyclists and YOU would never hit one by mistake, so obviously YOU are just live every driver on the road and I should trust them to be as wise and smart as YOU when I cross the street?

You would not survive long in the world without your SUV, clearly.
 
2012-07-23 02:34:15 PM
People who argue that bicyclists should stay off the sidewalks are pretty stupid and don't care about life much, obviously. Whaa I might have to steer around some dumb chick walking with her cell phone. Whaa, I'm a deadly threat to pedestrians.

Hell I don't respect anyone when I travel except for me and my safety.
 
2012-07-23 02:39:27 PM

cmb53208: a bunch of douchebags who think it's OK to risk injuring pedestrians becuase they just can't leave their toys in the yard.


I ride 4 miles to work one way because I can't afford a car.

Toy?

Fark you, asshole.
 
2012-07-23 03:00:44 PM
Confabulat
Hell I don't respect anyone when I travel except for me and my safety.

Get the fark off the road.
 
2012-07-23 03:11:09 PM
FTFA, "Serrano, a cancer survivor, wears purple to bring awareness to pancreatic cancer."

She got exactly what she wanted -- publicity for her cause.
Shut up and pay the ticket, Attention W*ore.
 
2012-07-23 03:30:24 PM

fireclown: SchlingFocker: And, runners. Stop wearing those little farking belts with 10 little water bottles in them for a 6 mile run. You look ridiculous when regular people are out there doing 10 miles just drinking out of the fountains on the trail.

Really? Peoples water decisions are what grinds your gears? I have a counter proposal: Carry as much water as you damned well feel like. Also, it's cute that you run on trails with plumbing.


Yeah, getting worked up about other people's water-carrying choices is a little intense, dude.

When I ran more, I used the stupid-looking bat-belt because I used electrolytes (ended up in emergency once with hyponatremia after a 20-miler in the heat. Not fun.) but also because it distributes the weight more evenly. I HATE the feeling of a single bottle bouncing on my back. And good luck finding a working water fountain around here.
 
2012-07-23 04:15:41 PM

serial_crusher: Mr_H: serial_crusher:
I started out with just one mounted to my handlebars, but now I have one under the seatpost facing backwards, and another one on my helmet. Might be coincidental at this point, but it seems like when I added the helmet cam, drivers actually started noticing that they were on camera and began behaving a little better.

May I ask what types you use? I have an older Oregon Scientific (I think) that's mounted on my handle bars, but it's too bulky to use as a helmet cam and the sound is only good when i'm stopped. I think I need to upgrade and get a rear facing cam too.

/it's a black box
//RoadID = Corpse tag :)

ContourROAM, all 3 of 'em. Sound isn't that great, mostly just road noise, but you can hear honking horns, skidding tires, yourself screaming profanity, that sort of thing.
My YouTube videos if you're interested in sample quality.

I kind of think it would be cool to start up a business that makes cameras specifically for bikes, where they all connect to one battery/storage so it's not such a hassle to charge and download the videos.


A friend of mine just pointed this out on woot, but I don't need anymore so I'm not going to try it out. You might want to consider it though.
AAA batteries are going to be a pain in the ass to replace all the time though. I just plug my contour into the USB that's right there in my garage and power it up.
 
2012-07-24 12:38:25 AM
www.digdang.com
 
2012-07-24 03:02:21 AM

Baloo Uriza: TenJed_77: urger: fluffy2097: Bikers are supposed to stay to the edge of the lane of traffic on the shoulder or breakdown lane.

In most places bicyclists are entitled to the entire lane by law.

Not in Illinois:
From ILLINOIS VEHICLE CODE 625 ILCS 5/

Sec. 11-1505. Position of bicycles and motorized pedal cycles on roadways-Riding on roadways and bicycle paths.
(a) Any person operating a bicycle or motorized pedal cycle upon a roadway at less than the normal speed of traffic at the time and place and under the conditions then existing shall ride as close as practicable to the right-hand curb or edge of the roadway except under the following situations: 1. When overtaking and passing another bicycle, motorized pedal cycle or vehicle proceeding in the same direction; or 2. When preparing for a left turn at an intersection or into a private road or driveway; or 3. When reasonably necessary to avoid conditions including, but not limited to, fixed or moving objects, parked or moving vehicles, bicycles, motorized pedal cycles, pedestrians, animals, surface hazards, or substandard width lanes that make it unsafe to continue along the right-hand curb or edge. For purposes of this subsection, a "substandard width lane" means a lane that is too narrow for a bicycle or motorized pedal cycle and a vehicle to travel safely side by side within the lane.

When trying to say that cyclists don't, it's best not to try to prove your point by using the exact paragraph of law that says you're wrong.


Your reading comprehension sucks, as it was clear that I was responding to the comment by urger about them having the right to use the entire lane, which they do not except under certain circumstances.
 
2012-07-24 03:04:36 AM

Baloo Uriza: TenJed_77: urger: fluffy2097: Bikers are supposed to stay to the edge of the lane of traffic on the shoulder or breakdown lane.

In most places bicyclists are entitled to the entire lane by law.

Not in Illinois:
From ILLINOIS VEHICLE CODE 625 ILCS 5/

Sec. 11-1505. Position of bicycles and motorized pedal cycles on roadways-Riding on roadways and bicycle paths.
(a) Any person operating a bicycle or motorized pedal cycle upon a roadway at less than the normal speed of traffic at the time and place and under the conditions then existing shall ride as close as practicable to the right-hand curb or edge of the roadway except under the following situations: 1. When overtaking and passing another bicycle, motorized pedal cycle or vehicle proceeding in the same direction; or 2. When preparing for a left turn at an intersection or into a private road or driveway; or 3. When reasonably necessary to avoid conditions including, but not limited to, fixed or moving objects, parked or moving vehicles, bicycles, motorized pedal cycles, pedestrians, animals, surface hazards, or substandard width lanes that make it unsafe to continue along the right-hand curb or edge. For purposes of this subsection, a "substandard width lane" means a lane that is too narrow for a bicycle or motorized pedal cycle and a vehicle to travel safely side by side within the lane.

When trying to say that cyclists don't, it's best not to try to prove your point by using the exact paragraph of law that says you're wrong.


And you also left out the second section in your quote:
Sec. 11-1505.1. Don't ride more than 2 abreast; Stay in one lane
Persons riding bicycles or motorized pedal cycles upon a roadway shall not ride more than 2 abreast, except on paths or parts of roadways set aside for their exclusive use. Persons riding 2 abreast shall not impede the normal and reasonable movement of traffic and, on a laned roadway, shall ride within a single lane subject to the provisions of Section 11-1505 [625 ILCS 5/11-1505].
 
2012-07-24 07:32:51 AM

TenJed_77: Baloo Uriza: TenJed_77: urger: fluffy2097: Bikers are supposed to stay to the edge of the lane of traffic on the shoulder or breakdown lane.

In most places bicyclists are entitled to the entire lane by law.

Not in Illinois:
From ILLINOIS VEHICLE CODE 625 ILCS 5/

Sec. 11-1505. Position of bicycles and motorized pedal cycles on roadways-Riding on roadways and bicycle paths.
(a) Any person operating a bicycle or motorized pedal cycle upon a roadway at less than the normal speed of traffic at the time and place and under the conditions then existing shall ride as close as practicable to the right-hand curb or edge of the roadway except under the following situations: 1. When overtaking and passing another bicycle, motorized pedal cycle or vehicle proceeding in the same direction; or 2. When preparing for a left turn at an intersection or into a private road or driveway; or 3. When reasonably necessary to avoid conditions including, but not limited to, fixed or moving objects, parked or moving vehicles, bicycles, motorized pedal cycles, pedestrians, animals, surface hazards, or substandard width lanes that make it unsafe to continue along the right-hand curb or edge. For purposes of this subsection, a "substandard width lane" means a lane that is too narrow for a bicycle or motorized pedal cycle and a vehicle to travel safely side by side within the lane.

When trying to say that cyclists don't, it's best not to try to prove your point by using the exact paragraph of law that says you're wrong.

Your reading comprehension sucks, as it was clear that I was responding to the comment by urger about them having the right to use the entire lane, which they do not except under certain circumstances.


Almost every lane is too narrow for a car and bike to safely travel side by side within the lane. The law is written to say that taking the lane is the exception, but in actuality it is the norm.
 
2012-07-24 11:47:38 AM

TenJed_77: And you also left out the second section in your quote:


Because it wasn't relevant. I wasn't addressing the two abrest issue. I was addressing whether or not the premise of the ticket was valid, that being whether or not the cyclists could claim the next lane or not. Merging in to pass, unless you're being reckless about it, isn't interfering with the reasonable and normal movement of traffic. It's reasonable and normal to expect slower traffic passing slowest traffic now and then. Welcome to life in traffic.
 
2012-07-24 11:49:04 AM

serial_crusher: Almost every lane is too narrow for a car and bike to safely travel side by side within the lane. The law is written to say that taking the lane is the exception, but in actuality it is the norm.


Which is why people who want it to be the exception need to start leaning hard on their local authorities to install and maintain clean, clear and safe bicycle facilities on high traffic or high speed routes. Everyone wins then.
 
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