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(Boston Herald)   The Dark Knight Rises reportedly pulls in roughly $162,000,000 at the box-office over the weekend, meaning there are still about 18,000,000 people in this country who won't be intimidated by domestic terrorists   (bostonherald.com) divider line 302
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2012-07-23 06:03:51 PM

stoli n coke: I don't think anyone will really be scared away from going to the movies.


It may not last long, but I can tell you that people stayed away here in Denver. Friday night the one I went to was farking dead.
 
2012-07-23 06:12:19 PM

Mugato: stoli n coke: and during the "hood movies" revival of the early 90s, fights and shootings were reported in and around theaters.

Brothers were popping caps at the screen at New Jack City and others and that was bad but I don't remember anyone getting killed. There weren't any massacres anyway. And this is a "9/11 world" where everyone who commits violence is a terrorist and people are afraid of everything.

I don't know what people are afraid of here. Even in the incredibly unlikely event that there's a copycat of some sort, how many screens is TDKR alone playing

in? 4,000? At how many showings a day?


I think I remember hearing of a shooting during Colors or Boyz N the Hood where one or two people got killed. However, if I remember right, that was in either the lobby or the parking lot, not the auditorium.

I also remember MGM turned it into part of the marketing campaign. When it came out on VHS, the tag line was "see it now in the safety of your own home."
 
2012-07-23 06:13:12 PM

Mugato: So everyone's a terrorist now? I thought he was just a psycho who went on a shooting spree.


New America: anyone does anything scary and they are terrorists.

/boo!
 
2012-07-23 06:16:51 PM

stoli n coke: I also remember MGM turned it into part of the marketing campaign. When it came out on VHS, the tag line was "see it now in the safety of your own home."


Oh my God, WB should totally do that with TDKR.
 
2012-07-23 06:45:16 PM

digitalrain: OMG - Cattie-brie DIES?????????? Nooooooooo... I seem to recall some speculation, too, that he was something of a consort to Alustriel. Nothing concrete, but I remember my husband and I debating the point.


SPOILERS AGAIN

First off, let me reiterate in case R.A. is reading that it's NOT his writing that I'm calling crap. It became abundantly clear that once 4th Ed D&D came out they were going to change EVERYTHING; not to improve it or make it more playable, but because fark you, buy the new sourcebook.

IMHO, they needed to do nothing, NO. THING. to Forgotten Realms. I've never been able to ask Ed Greenwood about it, but I'm sure the agreement is under gag order, but they did that setting a disservice with 4E. I don't know why it is needed - Tolkien did it at the end, so did Dragonlance when they ran out of side characters - to turn a fantasy setting ultimately into an "Age of Man" where magic is no longer needed, or in this case, no longer works correctly. Basically Cyric kills Mystra, unraveling the Weave and throwing all magic into the crapper. Elminster, Simbul, all your Chosen characters are mostly now powerless, and the majority of mages are powerless, infused with wild magic and therefore uncontrollable, insane, or some combination of this.

We get smatterings of this in Salvatore's novel, mainly after the Thousand Orcs trilogy, where Cattie-Brie was badly injured and had a hard time being useful as a fighter. She began training as a mage under Alustriel, and at some point was hit by a piece of the Spellplague and trapped between worlds or some shiat. She went into a fugue state and never recovered. At the end of the Ghost King novel, Mielikki grants her one "last night" with Drizzt, and then takes her spirit to this pocket plane I mentioned earlier.

We don't hear much about it because the next book (Gauntlgrym) fast forwards 100 years; Wulfgar, Regis, Cattie-Brie are all dead, only the drow and dwarven characters from earlier books remain (Artemis Entreri is still alive due to absorbing the essence of a Shade through his vampiric dagger, which de-ages him and gives him a longer lifespan). Drizzt spends a good portion of the book mourning the loss of Cattie-Brie, but you don't hear much more about it.

I don't mean to ruin the books for you, but seriously, stop after the Thousand Orcs trilogy and the Sellswords trilogy (Artemis and Jarlaxle). Any good Drizzt stories stopped there, especially with the camaraderie of the Companions of the Hall (which to me made it a true "party" adventure). The Transitions trilogy blows, The Ghost King" book is a goddamn Greek tragedy, and Gauntlgrym is just all sorts of not-awesome.

/We now return you to your regularly-scheduled Batman thread
 
2012-07-23 07:09:39 PM

Bleyo: dragonchild: There are 3000 cops all armed with various modern weapons and no one tries to shoot the bare-chested Bain. Honestly, that scene was so ridiculous I wondered if the Gotham Police would start dancing to "French Mistake".

This too. That cop charge resulted in like three firearm casualties. Then, Bane, the criminal mastermind, surveyed the hundreds of armed police officers charging in, cracked his knuckles, and started punching. My buddy leaned over and asked, "Uhhh, have none of the hundreds of cops thought to shoot the bald, hulking guy punching them all to death with his bare hands?"


NNothing beats good old fashioned fisticuffs
 
2012-07-23 07:16:26 PM

th0th: digitalrain: OMG - Cattie-brie DIES?????????? Nooooooooo... I seem to recall some speculation, too, that he was something of a consort to Alustriel. Nothing concrete, but I remember my husband and I debating the point.

SPOILERS AGAIN

First off, let me reiterate in case R.A. is reading that it's NOT his writing that I'm calling crap. It became abundantly clear that once 4th Ed D&D came out they were going to change EVERYTHING; not to improve it or make it more playable, but because fark you, buy the new sourcebook.

IMHO, they needed to do nothing, NO. THING. to Forgotten Realms. I've never been able to ask Ed Greenwood about it, but I'm sure the agreement is under gag order, but they did that setting a disservice with 4E. I don't know why it is needed - Tolkien did it at the end, so did Dragonlance when they ran out of side characters - to turn a fantasy setting ultimately into an "Age of Man" where magic is no longer needed, or in this case, no longer works correctly. Basically Cyric kills Mystra, unraveling the Weave and throwing all magic into the crapper. Elminster, Simbul, all your Chosen characters are mostly now powerless, and the majority of mages are powerless, infused with wild magic and therefore uncontrollable, insane, or some combination of this.

We get smatterings of this in Salvatore's novel, mainly after the Thousand Orcs trilogy, where Cattie-Brie was badly injured and had a hard time being useful as a fighter. She began training as a mage under Alustriel, and at some point was hit by a piece of the Spellplague and trapped between worlds or some shiat. She went into a fugue state and never recovered. At the end of the Ghost King novel, Mielikki grants her one "last night" with Drizzt, and then takes her spirit to this pocket plane I mentioned earlier.

We don't hear much about it because the next book (Gauntlgrym) fast forwards 100 years; Wulfgar, Regis, Cattie-Brie are all dead, only the drow and dwarven characters from earlier books rem ...


Thank you for the rundown. Salvatore is probably my favorite fantasy author. A friend of ours knows him
peripherally and even gamed w/ him once, I believe (he also gamed w/ Arneson once - said it was like an
hours long wet dream culminating in getting stabbed in the back in-game). We have a few autographed
Salvatore novels.

Homeland Trillogy was probably my favorite of the Drizz't books.Zaknafein was *such* a badass. The tension
between the two when Z thought D had betrayed his teachings was awesome. And the confrontation on the bridge...wow...just...wow.

Sigh....
 
2012-07-23 07:43:24 PM

EatTheWorld: CavalierEternal: How much d'you think it would've pulled in if it hadn't been for the tragedy in Aurora?

really? Who gives a fark? If that consideration was a real thought in your head, you should have been one of the victims. Do you have batman stock or something, I mean really WTF? Who gives a fark how this movie does? Get out of your farking batman undies and grow a farking conscience.


Take your pills you f*cking lunatic.
 
2012-07-23 08:15:51 PM

MattStafford: SPOILERS!

Apologies for the double post, I put this in the other TDKR thread, but I just needed to post this here as well. Just a cathartic rant after watching that movie....


*Further Spoilers*

Agreed, plus am I the only one here who thought the voices of Batman and Bane just completely ruin the experience? You can barely understand them over their incredibly goofy choices in accents, and the Zimmer score makes it even harder to understand.

I found myself laughing several times when those two were speaking. If it were a full on comic book movie I might not find it so distracting, but if you're going for a realistic tone, I don't know why you'd want a cartoonishly laughable villain voice.

There were so many stupid choices in this movie that I found myself really wanting to like it but I just couldn't. I felt the same way about Prometheus but I found that to at least be much more entertaining despite the swiss cheese of plot holes.

I honestly enjoyed the new Spiderman movie much more than this movie, and that is extremely disappointing.
 
2012-07-23 08:23:00 PM
We are Batman. ;)
 
2012-07-23 08:23:05 PM

spentmiles: With Batman dying at the end, is the franchise over or do you think they'll use Selina pregnancy to start over with BatBaby?


POSSIBLE SPOILER

Maybe they'll pass it on to JGL. He is named Robin, but I was hoping he'd be named Terry McGinniss so we'd have a big screen Batman Beyond.

END POSSIBLE SPOILER
 
2012-07-23 08:28:29 PM

elguerodiablo: Mentat: Because People in power are Stupid: Did anyone else find Bane's voice annoying after a while?

I couldn't understand a damn thing he said in the first half of the movie. It was fine in the second half when he started using the microphone.

Bane's voice was Sean Connery with a cancer kazoo. I thought it was cool in the first scene but then I had a hard time understanding him and was annoyed. And why the shiat does some guy born in a hellish prison in the desert have a frickin Scottish accent?


This. And there were other holes in the plot. It wasn't a BAD movie, but Bale's a solid A actor; this was a B flick. Sorry fanboys...maybe if I was still a teenager it would have been the best movie EVER...but I'm not.
 
2012-07-23 09:01:52 PM
Personally I liked this movie a lot. In my opinion it was a fitting ending to this trilogy. Seemed a bit long and I think it might have fit better split into 2 parts.

I wish it wasn't the end of the line for Nolans batman. He really did an excellent job with all three movies. Other than his writing the casting was just about perfect for all 3 movies.


/spoiler

The only issue I see is a new Batman movie will rise and be out sooner than later. Warner Brothers won't let this cash cow go to waste with the perfect Segway to have some new movies created. Unfortunately that batman is farkin JGL. Even though I enjoyed his character in this movie, he's no batman. Not only this but we won't have Nolan writing it.
 
2012-07-23 09:05:18 PM

Jon iz teh kewl: mat catastrophe: "Terrorist" is the wrong word.

Oh, who am I kidding? No one gives a flying fark what anything means anymore. Obama's a socialist and Holmes is a terrorist.

terrorist - one who inflicts terror? DEE DEE DEE!

[4.images.comedycentral.com image 600x400]


Only those who do it in the name of a cause. This guy is just a loner with a gun.
 
2012-07-23 09:07:05 PM

OldManDownDRoad: mat catastrophe: "Terrorist" is the wrong word.

Oh, who am I kidding? No one gives a flying fark what anything means anymore. Obama's a socialist and Holmes is a terrorist.

[upload.wikimedia.org image 170x222]

Eh, what?


No, not that one. He's a psycopath (maybe).
 
2012-07-23 09:17:21 PM

echoshizzle: Personally I liked this movie a lot. In my opinion it was a fitting ending to this trilogy. Seemed a bit long and I think it might have fit better split into 2 parts.

I wish it wasn't the end of the line for Nolans batman. He really did an excellent job with all three movies. Other than his writing the casting was just about perfect for all 3 movies.


/spoiler

The only issue I see is a new Batman movie will rise and be out sooner than later. Warner Brothers won't let this cash cow go to waste with the perfect Segway to have some new movies created. Unfortunately that batman is farkin JGL. Even though I enjoyed his character in this movie, he's no batman. Not only this but we won't have Nolan writing it.


No, I will.

EIP.
 
2012-07-23 09:18:46 PM

digitalrain: Thank you for the rundown. Salvatore is probably my favorite fantasy author. A friend of ours knows him peripherally and even gamed w/ him once, I believe (he also gamed w/ Arneson once - said it was like an hours long wet dream culminating in getting stabbed in the back in-game). We have a few autographed Salvatore novels.

Homeland Trillogy was probably my favorite of the Drizz't books.Zaknafein was *such* a badass. The tension between the two when Z thought D had betrayed his teachings was awesome. And the confrontation on the bridge...wow...just...wow.

Sigh....


I certainly hope I didn't ruin the books for you - my other gaming friends found them very enjoyable. I just saw - as someone who has followed his work from the original trilogy onward - the quality of the stories going down, not so much the writing. There is such a rich collection of characters, and as much as Drizzt is a compelling one, I can only read about swashbuckling so much. At one point I felt I was in the Daffy Duck Robin Hood cartoon (ho, ha ha, spin, turn, parry, dodge, thrust!). The Gauntlgrym book demonstrated to me that the dwarven "pirate patois" gets very old, very quick.

I would say that he should continue with the Jarlaxle/Entreri stories. I found them absolutely compelling, the idea of two dastardly characters who have this continued love/hate relationship, but are high level ass-kicking machines in their own right. I have no idea what is upcoming on his plate (I haven't been into D&D for a year or so), and I know he was commissioned to write the story for the Neverwinter MMO, but beyond that I hope he has a chance to turn the franchise around.

I missed two chances to actually meet him at conventions, which I do regret. I think it would have to be damn amazing to be a lifelong D&D gamer and being able to write about it full-time. I think I've read the Dark Elf Trilogy 4-5 times, and think it's without a doubt the best capture of a D&D environment ever. The problem (imho) with a lot of 4E content is they drove drow into the ground.
 
2012-07-23 09:20:47 PM

dragonchild: teenytinycornteeth: He had a lot of constant beating the crap out of people and blowing up stadiums and looking awesome in a coat, but there's a lot of background on Bane that is ideal for Nolan stuff.

No, it's not. At least, not for Nolan. In case you haven't noticed, Nolan is really crappy at bad guy exposition.


You're right about nolan bad guys. What I meant was the generally cerebral backstory of Bane's life. I find it weird that he completely glossed over the fact that Bane WAS in fact born in prison and was killing people at age 9. You'd think that would be an important point. I get what you're saying though.
 
2012-07-23 09:27:57 PM

teenytinycornteeth: I find it weird that he completely glossed over the fact that Bane WAS in fact born in prison and was killing people at age 9.


Thing is, Bane himself said he was "born in [darkness]".

I was totally shocked by the twist, but it wasn't because it was so masterfully crafted. I was shocked because the movie contradicted itself on a detail it spared no effort to tell the audience was important.
 
2012-07-23 09:35:27 PM

dragonchild: teenytinycornteeth: I find it weird that he completely glossed over the fact that Bane WAS in fact born in prison and was killing people at age 9.

Thing is, Bane himself said he was "born in [darkness]".

I was totally shocked by the twist, but it wasn't because it was so masterfully crafted. I was shocked because the movie contradicted itself on a detail it spared no effort to tell the audience was important.


Eh. I noticed I was missing about 10 - 20% of Bane's dialog...and then I realized I just didn't care. Which is too bad...the better the villain, the better the movie/story/TV show.
 
2012-07-23 10:59:55 PM
Bane was born in darkness but in every shot we see of Bruce in the prison, it's brightly lit.
 
2012-07-23 11:07:55 PM
**SPOILERS**


Good Movie. I liked it the first time I saw it, too. When it was called Rocky III
 
2012-07-23 11:29:02 PM

consider this: Bane was born in darkness but in every shot we see of Bruce in the prison, it's brightly lit.


And Batman is called the dark knight but he's Caucasian.
 
2012-07-24 12:53:41 AM

th0th: digitalrain: Thank you for the rundown. Salvatore is probably my favorite fantasy author. A friend of ours knows him peripherally and even gamed w/ him once, I believe (he also gamed w/ Arneson once - said it was like an hours long wet dream culminating in getting stabbed in the back in-game). We have a few autographed Salvatore novels.

Homeland Trillogy was probably my favorite of the Drizz't books.Zaknafein was *such* a badass. The tension between the two when Z thought D had betrayed his teachings was awesome. And the confrontation on the bridge...wow...just...wow.

Sigh....

I certainly hope I didn't ruin the books for you - my other gaming friends found them very enjoyable. I just saw - as someone who has followed his work from the original trilogy onward - the quality of the stories going down, not so much the writing. There is such a rich collection of characters, and as much as Drizzt is a compelling one, I can only read about swashbuckling so much. At one point I felt I was in the Daffy Duck Robin Hood cartoon (ho, ha ha, spin, turn, parry, dodge, thrust!). The Gauntlgrym book demonstrated to me that the dwarven "pirate patois" gets very old, very quick.

I would say that he should continue with the Jarlaxle/Entreri stories. I found them absolutely compelling, the idea of two dastardly characters who have this continued love/hate relationship, but are high level ass-kicking machines in their own right. I have no idea what is upcoming on his plate (I haven't been into D&D for a year or so), and I know he was commissioned to write the story for the Neverwinter MMO, but beyond that I hope he has a chance to turn the franchise around.

I missed two chances to actually meet him at conventions, which I do regret. I think it would have to be damn amazing to be a lifelong D&D gamer and being able to write about it full-time. I think I've read the Dark Elf Trilogy 4-5 times, and think it's without a doubt the best capture of a D&D environment ever. The pro ...


No worries. I'll get around to reading them eventually :)

4e sucks sweaty umberhulk balls. When we play D&D, it's 3.5e now and ONLY because all our 2e stuff got
eaten by Hurricane Frances several years ago. We mostly play Rolemaster these days though.

Jarlaxle and Artemis are definitely badass. I can't form a good image of Artemis in my head, but I always saw
Jarlaxle as the drow version of Riff, without the cadaverous eyes and nasal voice.
 
2012-07-24 01:11:06 AM

CavalierEternal: How much d'you think it would've pulled in if it hadn't been for the tragedy in Aurora?


How much more do you think it would have pulled in if it had been a good movie?
 
2012-07-24 02:42:59 AM

Mugato: consider this: Bane was born in darkness but in every shot we see of Bruce in the prison, it's brightly lit.

And Batman is called the dark knight but he's Caucasian.


The Joker also wasn't especially funny.
 
2012-07-24 06:37:31 AM

dragonchild: teenytinycornteeth: I find it weird that he completely glossed over the fact that Bane WAS in fact born in prison and was killing people at age 9.

Thing is, Bane himself said he was "born in [darkness]".

I was totally shocked by the twist, but it wasn't because it was so masterfully crafted. I was shocked because the movie contradicted itself on a detail it spared no effort to tell the audience was important.


I don't remember them saying Bane was born in the prison. Just born in darkness. Which could mean anything. I don't see that as a contradiction. We thought we were getting Bane's backstory but got Talia's instead. So whats the problem?
 
2012-07-24 08:59:26 AM

Bleyo: - Bane/Talia's plot was ridiculous. So, Bane tricked the citizens of Gotham to join his populist revolution only to nuke them after five months because Talia wanted to honor her dead father that she had no relationship with and Bane was Talia's biatch. Why was committing suicide part of this plan?


I don't think committing suicide was a part of Bane's plan but Taila did the Bond villain misstep. She went off with the bomb and told Bane to wait with Batman until the explosion. I would assume that if Batman didn't show up that she would have broken away from the bomb truck itself and probably gone to a shelter and continue to lead the League of Shadows but have no proof to that theory. After she left, Bane told Batman essentially, "you know, I'm going to kill you so I can get out of here before the big boom" when Catwoman shown up. He didn't have any intentions on dying, but Talia's Bond villain moment was telling the hero the plan, leaving him alone with the henchman and assuming that the plan would go as planned.

In regards to other postings, yes the fall of Gotham was rushed, but the change of seasons and someone stated that 3 months did pass. I had more of a problem with Bruce's broken back being a displaced vertebrae and a prisoner/doctor had the skill to reset it, and after dangling for less than 3 months he was back in fighting condition better than ever.

I went into the movie pretty much expecting Talia to be in it, but the switch between her and Bane's back story did throw me. I was wondering if Nolan would have made Bane a lost son of Ra's. Wasn't expecting her to be the one born in the pit, decent twist.
 
2012-07-24 10:08:27 AM

Omis: I don't remember them saying Bane was born in the prison. Just born in darkness. Which could mean anything. I don't see that as a contradiction. We thought we were getting Bane's backstory but got Talia's instead. So whats the problem?


You're reaching quite a bit, but I can live with that. Problem is, Bane made a hell of a claim to leave dangling. As others here have complained, moviegoers don't get much info on Bane so that puts a lot of importance on the few scenes he talks about himself. When the backstories got swapped about a half an hour's worth of exposition collapsed. If you're going to make a twist the ol' bait-and-switch is fine, but twists are ultimately judged by frayed ends (the fewer the better) and this one was a whopper. It went from having a lot of backstory to none at all. Yeah yeah "it's just a movie" but if you're going to go about it that way then the twist was superfluous. It didn't make it a better movie. Unlike The Sixth Sense or The Usual Suspects which very carefully build up to the twist so everything is nice & neat after the twist, this one was very lazily tacked on.

You don't exonerate Nolan by defending that one line, anyway. This twist isn't a simple whodunit murder mystery where a swapping Suspect A with Suspect X in a 15-minute window is trivial. Transferring this backstory from Bane to Talia adds two decades to its age. Making Bane Talia's foster father means Bane was a grown man when Talia was born. She looks to be in her late twenties by the time she catches up to Bruce, so, what, the dude's like fifty and Batman is the washed-up underdog? In a meta way, Nolan is very "lucky" Bruce Wayne never thought to ask when this mystery child existed. This would not be an issue if not for the twist.

consider this: in every shot we see of Bruce in the prison, it's brightly lit.


Yeah. But consistency isn't the issue here so much as that place wasn't that bad. The prisoners have access to daylight and fresh air and there's plenty of space to move around. And the Rocky montage implies there was plenty to eat, too. Frankly, the movie was almost WTF levels of tame. For so much death they go out of their way to avoid showing any blood.

beerdini: I had more of a problem with Bruce's broken back being a displaced vertebrae


Speaking of which. . . I understand Talia's blade slipping between the armor plates as it was done very patiently. But when Bane and Batman tangle for the first time. . . Bane's bare-chested while Batman's wearing BODY ARMOR.

beerdini: after dangling for less than 3 months he was back in fighting condition better than ever.


Not to mention his physical at the beginning of the movie was a disaster. I had issues with the "dudebro" elements of the film. You don't recover from osteoarthritis with a wiz knee brace and then being the goddamn Batman.
 
2012-07-24 10:11:43 AM

Omis: I don't remember them saying Bane was born in the prison. Just born in darkness. Which could mean anything. I don't see that as a contradiction. We thought we were getting Bane's backstory but got Talia's instead. So whats the problem?


Because if Nolan were following Bane's TRUE (comic book) origin, he WAS born in prison. The backstory they gave to Talia was actually similar to Bane's. He was born to serve the life sentence of his father and raised by prisoners and jesuit preists. I thought it was an interesting twist, but it threw a lot of people off because they knew that BANE was born in prison so they assumed it was about him. Alfred also said he was "born and raised in hell on earth" or "hell itself" or something, so they sort of alluded to it.
 
2012-07-24 10:41:09 AM

digitalrain: 4e sucks sweaty umberhulk balls. When we play D&D, it's 3.5e now and ONLY because all our 2e stuff got eaten by Hurricane Frances several years ago. We mostly play Rolemaster these days though.

Jarlaxle and Artemis are definitely badass. I can't form a good image of Artemis in my head, but I always saw Jarlaxle as the drow version of Riff, without the cadaverous eyes and nasal voice.


4E was my first foray back into D&D in over a decade. I got a good deal on used 3E books but by that time the guys I gamed with had moved on to 4E. That lasted about a year, then they were making up their own proto-Essentials ruleset, now they're on to Gamma World and Pathfinder.

I was just surprised at the sheer amount of marketing gimmicks used in 4E, and while I enjoyed their podcasting with Wil and the guys from Penny Arcade, the game play became stale over time. Too many rule books, too many supplements. I missed my 1E/2E days when the add-on content was derived more from Dragon mags and a handful of softcover supplements,

I never really framed who I would want to see playing Jarlaxle or Entreri in a movie; a buddy of mine said all drow must be played by Ray Park - no exceptions, but I sort of liked the idea of Cillian Murphy as Entreri; he has the eyes and the scary look to pull it off. Not sure how good he'd be at swashbuckling, though.
 
2012-07-24 10:43:17 AM

dragonchild: Speaking of which. . . I understand Talia's blade slipping between the armor plates as it was done very patiently. But when Bane and Batman tangle for the first time. . . Bane's bare-chested while Batman's wearing BODY ARMOR.


Wait. You mean barechested except for his body armor. He was bare sleeved. The whole point of Bane is that he's got something of an Immunity to pain because of the mask. He can take 800 bricks to the face and still wax philosophical. I didn't find that unbelievable at all.

i49.tinypic.com
 
2012-07-24 10:56:31 AM

teenytinycornteeth: You mean barechested except for his body armor. He was bare sleeved.


I stand corrected on that detail. He wore a vest that pretty much only blocked frontal blows to the torso. So of course that's where Batman focused most of his attacks. You're really playing the consistency angle, but there's a point where idiocy in the name of consistency becomes silly. The famous "good is dumb" line from Spaceballs so many years ago was a reference to lazy writers making the good guys act like total idiots to avoid storyline problems, and in that sense TDKR was one of the worst I've ever seen. Batman had missile weapons FFS and used them in the movie. His whole shtick is that he's a gadgetmeister and he just walks up to Bane with his fists up. It's downright cartoony. I thought Nolan was supposed to make Batman gritty.

teenytinycornteeth: The whole point of Bane is that he's got something of an Immunity to pain because of the mask. He can take 800 bricks to the face and still wax philosophical.


That's not explained in the movie, but I'm less disturbed by Bane's immunity to Batman's fists than the other way around. Bane might be taking damage and not feeling it, but Batman would be not taking damage. Eventually loss of function, not pain, would be Bane's limiting factor. He lets Batman whack at him and he doesn't even bleed. I get the whole "badass superhero vs. supervillain" thing but for two and a half films Nolan consistently portrayed everyone as mortal, so to suddenly have a guy dressed head to toe in Lucius Fox's super-awesome body armor and armed with all sorts of whiz gadgets engage and lose in a boxing match with a guy sporting only a small armor vest and a VERY obvious weakness. Especially when, as Bane's home turf, there were like a million ways Bane could've taken down Batman. It was just unnecessary.
 
2012-07-24 11:02:27 AM

The One True TheDavid: With a $9 ticket price plus ridiculous prices for soda, candy and popcorn, I'm going to keep waiting for DVDs to come out


$4.50 ticket for me. Maybe you should go to a theater that doesn't require you buy soda, candy and popcorn.
 
2012-07-24 11:45:44 AM

dragonchild:
That's not explained in the movie, but I'm less disturbed by Bane's immunity to Batman's fists than the other way around. Bane might be taking damage and not feeling it, but Batman would be not taking damage. Eventually loss of function, not pain, would be Bane's limiting factor. He lets Batman whack at him and he doesn't even bleed. I get the whole "badass superhero vs. supervillain" thing but for two and a half films Nolan consistently portrayed everyone as mortal, so to suddenly have a guy dressed head to toe in Lucius Fox's super-awesome body armor and armed with all sorts of whiz gadgets engage and lose in a boxing match with a guy sporting only a small armor vest and a VERY obvious weakness. Especially when, as Bane's home turf, there were like a million ways Bane could've taken down Batman. It was just unnecessary.


You're right. I guess at some point when I'm watching movies, more specifically "superhero movies" (and they are, no matter how gritty Nolan wants to make them) I just disconnect from too much detail or I'd be walking out of a lot of movies. I mean, frankly, were I Batman my first move would be to disable the mask, but he doesn't even attempt that until the end battle. And I do apply my prior knowledge of Bane to the situation, which is that he broke batman just to see if he could do it. He wanted to beat him just to say he did...which is the weakest ass motivation in town. I saw the whole thing between them as a "this time it's personal" (even though they've never met before) so gadgetry and weapons are not an option, it's just mano a mano.
 
2012-07-24 12:08:55 PM

teenytinycornteeth: I guess at some point when I'm watching movies, more specifically "superhero movies" (and they are, no matter how gritty Nolan wants to make them) I just disconnect from too much detail or I'd be walking out of a lot of movies.


I appreciate the civility, and I get that, but I think I'm talking about basic details. I mean, just look at them -- Batman's so decked out in armor his mobility is restricted. Bane'shiatting ballistic armor plates with his fists and doing more damage than Batman's attacks on Bane's exposed noggin.

It's kind of weird. Considering how much better The Dark Knight was, I'm wondering if there was a serious dispute with the producers that Nolan lost. Whatever the case, even if all these failings weren't Nolan's intent, the movie itself was hella flawed.
 
2012-07-24 12:11:28 PM

dragonchild: Bane'shiatting ballistic armor plates


I guess the Fark filter thinks Bane needs more roughage in his diet.
 
2012-07-24 12:15:29 PM

th0th: digitalrain: 4e sucks sweaty umberhulk balls. When we play D&D, it's 3.5e now and ONLY because all our 2e stuff got eaten by Hurricane Frances several years ago. We mostly play Rolemaster these days though.

Jarlaxle and Artemis are definitely badass. I can't form a good image of Artemis in my head, but I always saw Jarlaxle as the drow version of Riff, without the cadaverous eyes and nasal voice.

4E was my first foray back into D&D in over a decade. I got a good deal on used 3E books but by that time the guys I gamed with had moved on to 4E. That lasted about a year, then they were making up their own proto-Essentials ruleset, now they're on to Gamma World and Pathfinder.

I was just surprised at the sheer amount of marketing gimmicks used in 4E, and while I enjoyed their podcasting with Wil and the guys from Penny Arcade, the game play became stale over time. Too many rule books, too many supplements. I missed my 1E/2E days when the add-on content was derived more from Dragon mags and a handful of softcover supplements,

I never really framed who I would want to see playing Jarlaxle or Entreri in a movie; a buddy of mine said all drow must be played by Ray Park - no exceptions, but I sort of liked the idea of Cillian Murphy as Entreri; he has the eyes and the scary look to pull it off. Not sure how good he'd be at swashbuckling, though.


I could see Ray Park as Drizzt. I met him (Park) at DragonCon one year. Very nice guy. Smaller than you'd
expect though.

Entreri...hmmmmmmm... whoever it is would have to be in really good shape, but not massive. Lean and
compact but muscular. He'd have to have a "dark" air about him and be far more rogue-ish than GQ looking.

I could maybe see a younger Ralph Fiennes as Jarlaxle, though. He's got the presence to carry it off.
 
2012-07-24 12:29:21 PM

dragonchild: dragonchild: Bane'shiatting ballistic armor plates

I guess the Fark filter thinks Bane needs more roughage in his diet.


Interesting, since he probably doesn't eat very much at all.

I agree with you that it was flawed, but I think I enjoyed it because I added in the parts I was missing in my head :) My husband, who wouldn't know a comic book from a hole in the ground and didn't even know who Bane was before we walked in had a harder time with it.
 
2012-07-24 12:38:43 PM
 
2012-07-24 01:21:26 PM

digitalrain: th0th: digitalrain: 4e sucks sweaty umberhulk balls. When we play D&D, it's 3.5e now and ONLY because all our 2e stuff got eaten by Hurricane Frances several years ago. We mostly play Rolemaster these days though.

Jarlaxle and Artemis are definitely badass. I can't form a good image of Artemis in my head, but I always saw Jarlaxle as the drow version of Riff, without the cadaverous eyes and nasal voice.

4E was my first foray back into D&D in over a decade. I got a good deal on used 3E books but by that time the guys I gamed with had moved on to 4E. That lasted about a year, then they were making up their own proto-Essentials ruleset, now they're on to Gamma World and Pathfinder.

I was just surprised at the sheer amount of marketing gimmicks used in 4E, and while I enjoyed their podcasting with Wil and the guys from Penny Arcade, the game play became stale over time. Too many rule books, too many supplements. I missed my 1E/2E days when the add-on content was derived more from Dragon mags and a handful of softcover supplements,

I never really framed who I would want to see playing Jarlaxle or Entreri in a movie; a buddy of mine said all drow must be played by Ray Park - no exceptions, but I sort of liked the idea of Cillian Murphy as Entreri; he has the eyes and the scary look to pull it off. Not sure how good he'd be at swashbuckling, though.

I could see Ray Park as Drizzt. I met him (Park) at DragonCon one year. Very nice guy. Smaller than you'd
expect though.

Entreri...hmmmmmmm... whoever it is would have to be in really good shape, but not massive. Lean and
compact but muscular. He'd have to have a "dark" air about him and be far more rogue-ish than GQ looking.

I could maybe see a younger Ralph Fiennes as Jarlaxle, though. He's got the presence to carry it off.


STOP THREADSHIATING, YOU DOUCHEBAGS!!! NO ONE CARES!!!
 
2012-07-24 01:49:26 PM
A thread about Batman, Bane, Joker, Drizzt, Artemis, and Jaraxle? And everyone that mentions 4E hates it with a passion!?

I... I love you guys!
 
2012-07-24 01:51:31 PM

chuggernaught: A thread about Batman, Bane, Joker, Drizzt, Artemis, and Jaraxle? And everyone that mentions 4E hates it with a passion!? I... I love you guys!


Oh, no. No no no. Step away from the keyboard and don't come back until you've purged that crossover idea from your mind.
 
2012-07-24 04:06:13 PM

Madbassist1: digitalrain: th0th: digitalrain: 4e sucks sweaty umberhulk balls. When we play D&D, it's 3.5e now and ONLY because all our 2e stuff got eaten by Hurricane Frances several years ago. We mostly play Rolemaster these days though.

Jarlaxle and Artemis are definitely badass. I can't form a good image of Artemis in my head, but I always saw Jarlaxle as the drow version of Riff, without the cadaverous eyes and nasal voice.

4E was my first foray back into D&D in over a decade. I got a good deal on used 3E books but by that time the guys I gamed with had moved on to 4E. That lasted about a year, then they were making up their own proto-Essentials ruleset, now they're on to Gamma World and Pathfinder.

I was just surprised at the sheer amount of marketing gimmicks used in 4E, and while I enjoyed their podcasting with Wil and the guys from Penny Arcade, the game play became stale over time. Too many rule books, too many supplements. I missed my 1E/2E days when the add-on content was derived more from Dragon mags and a handful of softcover supplements,

I never really framed who I would want to see playing Jarlaxle or Entreri in a movie; a buddy of mine said all drow must be played by Ray Park - no exceptions, but I sort of liked the idea of Cillian Murphy as Entreri; he has the eyes and the scary look to pull it off. Not sure how good he'd be at swashbuckling, though.

I could see Ray Park as Drizzt. I met him (Park) at DragonCon one year. Very nice guy. Smaller than you'd
expect though.

Entreri...hmmmmmmm... whoever it is would have to be in really good shape, but not massive. Lean and
compact but muscular. He'd have to have a "dark" air about him and be far more rogue-ish than GQ looking.

I could maybe see a younger Ralph Fiennes as Jarlaxle, though. He's got the presence to carry it off.

STOP THREADSHIATING, YOU DOUCHEBAGS!!! NO ONE CARES!!!


Tell us how you really feel, Frances.
 
2012-07-24 04:13:32 PM

digitalrain: Madbassist1: digitalrain: th0th: digitalrain:

Tell us how you really feel, Frances.


You wanna know??? YOU WANNA KNOW???

I used to play D&D in the mid 80's had all the hardback books, the ready made modules the crystal dice, the figurines, the whole 9 yards. My favorite store-bought module was "Castle Amber" followed closely by "Tomb of Hoorors" I spent a shiatload of money on the (ridiculously overpriced) stuff and our characters ended up being disgustingly overpowered. It was fun, but got boring.
 
2012-07-24 04:53:15 PM

Madbassist1: digitalrain: Madbassist1: digitalrain: th0th: digitalrain:

Tell us how you really feel, Frances.

You wanna know??? YOU WANNA KNOW???

I used to play D&D in the mid 80's had all the hardback books, the ready made modules the crystal dice, the figurines, the whole 9 yards. My favorite store-bought module was "Castle Amber" followed closely by "Tomb of Hoorors" I spent a shiatload of money on the (ridiculously overpriced) stuff and our characters ended up being disgustingly overpowered. It was fun, but got boring.


Phhhhhhhbt. You haven't seen disgustingly overpowered until you've played epic level characters in 3.5.
Highest I got with any character was 30-something.

2nd ed. is still my favorite flavor of D&D though.
 
2012-07-24 08:46:26 PM

teenytinycornteeth: Omis: I don't remember them saying Bane was born in the prison. Just born in darkness. Which could mean anything. I don't see that as a contradiction. We thought we were getting Bane's backstory but got Talia's instead. So whats the problem?

Because if Nolan were following Bane's TRUE (comic book) origin, he WAS born in prison. The backstory they gave to Talia was actually similar to Bane's. He was born to serve the life sentence of his father and raised by prisoners and jesuit preists. I thought it was an interesting twist, but it threw a lot of people off because they knew that BANE was born in prison so they assumed it was about him. Alfred also said he was "born and raised in hell on earth" or "hell itself" or something, so they sort of alluded to it.


I just saw the movie again and they do mention he was born in the prison. But the interesting thing is during Bane's first battle with Batman he says he was born in darkness and didn't see the light until he was a man. So it is your first clue that the child that escaped the prison isn't Bane. Being born in the prison and knowing the torment he suffered there is probably the reason he takes pity on Talia and tries to save her.
 
2012-07-24 08:52:35 PM

Omis: teenytinycornteeth: Omis: I don't remember them saying Bane was born in the prison. Just born in darkness. Which could mean anything. I don't see that as a contradiction. We thought we were getting Bane's backstory but got Talia's instead. So whats the problem?

Because if Nolan were following Bane's TRUE (comic book) origin, he WAS born in prison. The backstory they gave to Talia was actually similar to Bane's. He was born to serve the life sentence of his father and raised by prisoners and jesuit preists. I thought it was an interesting twist, but it threw a lot of people off because they knew that BANE was born in prison so they assumed it was about him. Alfred also said he was "born and raised in hell on earth" or "hell itself" or something, so they sort of alluded to it.

I just saw the movie again and they do mention he was born in the prison. But the interesting thing is during Bane's first battle with Batman he says he was born in darkness and didn't see the light until he was a man. So it is your first clue that the child that escaped the prison isn't Bane. Being born in the prison and knowing the torment he suffered there is probably the reason he takes pity on Talia and tries to save her.


That and he knew that if he saved her from Santo Poco she'd let him kiss her on the veranda.
 
2012-07-25 12:36:40 AM

Mugato: Pappas: Plus, again, he has this whole thing about still being distraught over Rachel. Doesn't jibe with me

I think he'd be pretty distraught. She isn't Vicki Vale. He grew up with Rachael. And he probably feels at least a little responsible for her death.


Plus, Bruce Wayne isn't exactly known for getting over things and moving on...
 
2012-07-25 11:24:27 AM

Madbassist1: digitalrain: Madbassist1: digitalrain: th0th: digitalrain:

Tell us how you really feel, Frances.

You wanna know??? YOU WANNA KNOW???

I used to play D&D in the mid 80's had all the hardback books, the ready made modules the crystal dice, the figurines, the whole 9 yards. My favorite store-bought module was "Castle Amber" followed closely by "Tomb of Hoorors" I spent a shiatload of money on the (ridiculously overpriced) stuff and our characters ended up being disgustingly overpowered. It was fun, but got boring.


I do apologize for the off-topic meandering. I would have gladly taken the discussion offline but digitalrain didn't have an EIP.
 
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