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(Arizona Star)   K-9 doesn't find any drugs in the car during the traffic stop? No problem, allow him to roam a nearby unrelated residence until he does find some, in a shed you searched that has nothing to do with the car you pulled over   (azstarnet.com) divider line 173
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2012-07-22 11:47:16 PM  
The funny part is that the cop smelled grass in the car but the dog didn't.
 
2012-07-23 12:07:04 AM  

BarkingUnicorn: The funny part is that the cop smelled grass in the car but the dog didn't.


Personally, I smell bullshiat
 
2012-07-23 12:08:10 AM  
Oh HELL no

This search was way beyond unreasonable.

This is complete bullshiat.

fark, I dont know how to express myself at this disgrace
 
2012-07-23 12:13:05 AM  

cman: Oh HELL no

This search was way beyond unreasonable.

This is complete bullshiat.

fark, I dont know how to express myself at this disgrace


I concur, but I doubt any of the charges will be dropped since one of those arrested was in the country illegally, not to mention this happened in Arizona.

Just imagine how worse it would have been if this happened in Maricopa County. Sheriff Joe would have a field day.
 
2012-07-23 12:16:39 AM  

Bathia_Mapes: cman: Oh HELL no

This search was way beyond unreasonable.

This is complete bullshiat.

fark, I dont know how to express myself at this disgrace

I concur, but I doubt any of the charges will be dropped since one of those arrested was in the country illegally, not to mention this happened in Arizona.

Just imagine how worse it would have been if this happened in Maricopa County. Sheriff Joe would have a field day.


Deportation is a given, yeah. Bunch of bullshiat over weed. He didnt rape, he didnt murder, he didnt rob, yet he will be deported.
 
2012-07-23 12:34:30 AM  

cman: Deportation is a given, yeah. Bunch of bullshiat over weed. He didnt rape, he didnt murder, he didnt rob, yet he will be deported.


There a many people, people who vote, who consider drug dealer to be in that same category as murderers and rapists.
 
2012-07-23 12:37:30 AM  
Someone's lawyer is filing a motion to exclude...
 
2012-07-23 12:42:29 AM  

Rincewind53: Someone's lawyer is filing a motion to exclude...


Thank you. You are a good person to ask, I'd think. What are the chances of any of the evidence being admissible? I am not a lawyer and I'm pretty ignorant on stuff like this, but I'm doubting this could even make it to the Ninth Circuit.
 
2012-07-23 12:43:09 AM  

Frederick: There a many people, people who vote, who consider drug dealer to be in that same category as murderers and rapists.


Those people are wrong.
 
2012-07-23 12:45:02 AM  

cman: Oh HELL no

This search was way beyond unreasonable.

This is complete bullshiat.

fark, I dont know how to express myself at this disgrace


Unreasonable? It doesn't say enough in the article to conclude that. FTA: "Deputies eventually searched a shed at the home and found the marijuana." They may have made contact with the residents and obtained enough evidence to obtain a search warrant, or they may have obtained consent to search the shed. Either of those scenarios would have been a perfectly legal search.
 
2012-07-23 12:45:42 AM  

dudemanbro: Frederick: There a many people, people who vote, who consider drug dealer to be in that same category as murderers and rapists.

Those people are wrong.


They are indeed. They're also the same sort of people who keep reelecting Sheriff Joe Arpaio.
 
2012-07-23 12:47:28 AM  

cman: Oh HELL no

This search was way beyond unreasonable.


Forget it jake, it's Arizona.
 
2012-07-23 12:52:41 AM  

Bathia_Mapes: Just imagine how worse it would have been if this happened in Maricopa County. Sheriff Joe would have a field day.


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2012-07-23 01:02:40 AM  

CruiserTwelve: Bathia_Mapes: Just imagine how worse it would have been if this happened in Maricopa County. Sheriff Joe would have a field day.

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2012-07-23 01:03:36 AM  

Weaver95: cman: Oh HELL no

This search was way beyond unreasonable.

Forget it jake, it's Arizona.


You know something like this could happen anywhere in America, these days.
 
2012-07-23 01:28:08 AM  

Bathia_Mapes: CruiserTwelve: Bathia_Mapes: Just imagine how worse it would have been if this happened in Maricopa County. Sheriff Joe would have a field day.

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2012-07-23 01:53:47 AM  

TommyymmoT: Bathia_Mapes: CruiserTwelve: Bathia_Mapes: Just imagine how worse it would have been if this happened in Maricopa County. Sheriff Joe would have a field day.

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2012-07-23 01:55:55 AM  
IDK, if the dog alerted on the fence on his own (like, "hey master, there's nothing in the car but this fence smells mighty interesting"), and this was used to support probable cause for a warrant, I bet nothing gets excluded and they're all boned.

Good faith doctrine, etc.

If the cop, frustrated at getting skunked on the car, took the dog to the nearby house and had him start sniffing, and they searched the shed with no warrant, then maybe exclusions (except for the woman caught with meth -- if she doesn't live there, she may have no standing to contest the legality of her arrest).
 
2012-07-23 01:56:20 AM  

Bathia_Mapes: TommyymmoT: Bathia_Mapes: CruiserTwelve: Bathia_Mapes: Just imagine how worse it would have been if this happened in Maricopa County. Sheriff Joe would have a field day.

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2012-07-23 02:00:44 AM  

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2012-07-23 02:05:14 AM  

Bathia_Mapes: TommyymmoT: Bathia_Mapes: TommyymmoT: Bathia_Mapes: CruiserTwelve: Bathia_Mapes: Just imagine how worse it would have been if this happened in Maricopa County. Sheriff Joe would have a field day.

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2012-07-23 02:51:25 AM  

fnorgby: IDK, if the dog alerted on the fence on his own (like, "hey master, there's nothing in the car but this fence smells mighty interesting"), and this was used to support probable cause for a warrant, I bet nothing gets excluded and they're all boned.

Good faith doctrine, etc.

If the cop, frustrated at getting skunked on the car, took the dog to the nearby house and had him start sniffing, and they searched the shed with no warrant, then maybe exclusions (except for the woman caught with meth -- if she doesn't live there, she may have no standing to contest the legality of her arrest).


I imagine the cop knew the house belonged to the people in the car and led the dog that way intentionally.
 
2012-07-23 03:08:16 AM  

Frederick: I imagine the cop knew the house belonged to the people in the car and led the dog that way intentionally.


That's quite a leap.

I imagine 400 pounds of pot might have a slight aroma to it and the cop smelled it and thought it was coming from the car he just pulled over. He let the dog try to sniff it out and the dog, having a much keener sense of smell, was all like "you dumb farking human - the pot's not in the car, it's over here!"

And while I think pot should be legal and no one should even be fined for possession or "manufacture" the current law says it is illegal and the cop did his job. No "hero" tag for the cop doing his job?
 
2012-07-23 03:16:35 AM  
It wasn't like it was a joint. It was 430 pounds man and the dog is trained to sniff that out. His/her goose is cooked. I didn't see if they had a warrant though. If not, it should be thrown out IMHO
 
2012-07-23 03:24:17 AM  

violentsalvation: Thank you. You are a good person to ask, I'd think. What are the chances of any of the evidence being admissible? I am not a lawyer and I'm pretty ignorant on stuff like this, but I'm doubting this could even make it to the Ninth Circuit.


Hasn't the SCOTUS already ruled that this is allowed, despite being agaist everything the Founding Fathers stood for, because terrorisms?
 
2012-07-23 03:25:11 AM  

Fluorescent Testicle: ... agaist

against ...

/FTFM.
 
2012-07-23 03:25:58 AM  

Happy Hours: Frederick: I imagine the cop knew the house belonged to the people in the car and led the dog that way intentionally.

That's quite a leap.

I imagine 400 pounds of pot might have a slight aroma to it and the cop smelled it and thought it was coming from the car he just pulled over. He let the dog try to sniff it out and the dog, having a much keener sense of smell, was all like "you dumb farking human - the pot's not in the car, it's over here!"

And while I think pot should be legal and no one should even be fined for possession or "manufacture" the current law says it is illegal and the cop did his job. No "hero" tag for the cop doing his job?


Why even if the scenario went the way you described would the cop be a hero?
 
2012-07-23 03:26:32 AM  
10 bucks says the traffic stop was staged next to the house in question for this very reason.
 
2012-07-23 03:26:41 AM  

Frederick: fnorgby: IDK, if the dog alerted on the fence on his own (like, "hey master, there's nothing in the car but this fence smells mighty interesting"), and this was used to support probable cause for a warrant, I bet nothing gets excluded and they're all boned.

Good faith doctrine, etc.

If the cop, frustrated at getting skunked on the car, took the dog to the nearby house and had him start sniffing, and they searched the shed with no warrant, then maybe exclusions (except for the woman caught with meth -- if she doesn't live there, she may have no standing to contest the legality of her arrest).

I imagine the cop knew the house belonged to the people in the car and led the dog that way intentionally.


That was the impression I got, as well. But TFA doesn't really have enough information to say for sure.

Make pot legal, end this bullshiat.
 
2012-07-23 03:28:12 AM  
What a crock of shiat.
 
2012-07-23 03:30:09 AM  
Isn't a drug dog's interest in something enough for probable cause to search, or is that just something that some paranoid stoner told me once while we were getting high? My memory of it is....hazy.
 
2012-07-23 03:34:44 AM  

insertsnarkyusername: Why even if the scenario went the way you described would the cop be a hero?


People seem fond of labeling cops heroes when they do their job.
 
2012-07-23 03:37:38 AM  
 
2012-07-23 03:38:21 AM  
I'll second the staged stop theory. Awfully convenient that the car was stopped near the drivers house, which happened to contain drugs, while the car did not.
 
2012-07-23 03:40:22 AM  
shiat like this will be over soon. Well, in Colorado at least.
 
2012-07-23 03:41:21 AM  

Happy Hours: Frederick: I imagine the cop knew the house belonged to the people in the car and led the dog that way intentionally.

That's quite a leap.

I imagine 400 pounds of pot might have a slight aroma to it and the cop smelled it and thought it was coming from the car he just pulled over. He let the dog try to sniff it out and the dog, having a much keener sense of smell, was all like "you dumb farking human - the pot's not in the car, it's over here!"

And while I think pot should be legal and no one should even be fined for possession or "manufacture" the current law says it is illegal and the cop did his job. No "hero" tag for the cop doing his job?


Ajo had a population of 3700 in 2000, it's a safe bet this house was marked and the cops had been looking for an excuse
 
2012-07-23 03:43:35 AM  

Passive Aggressive Larry: Isn't a drug dog's interest in something enough for probable cause to search, or is that just something that some paranoid stoner told me once while we were getting high? My memory of it is....hazy.


Yes, it has held up in the courts despite the controversy regarding false positives, "leading" techniques, and the inability to face your accuser in court. I find the use of drug dog "interest" as probable cause a usurpation of rights violating the 4th amendment. But the war on drugs has trumped a lot of rights.

How do you feel about a drugs dogs ability to gain probable cause for searches?
 
2012-07-23 03:46:36 AM  

Bathia_Mapes: I don't have to see crap like that.


No AdBlock for real life, though. Dude has re-election posters all over the place. Although I am starting to see an upward trend in the number of them that have been defaced. I'm curious if the solid political bloc known as "grumpy white retirees" will still be enough to get the guy re-elected. They just love the man.

As for the article, the bust will not be thrown out. A police officer can enter property along routes commonly used for visitors and inspect up to your front door without the need for any warrant. The dog picking up the scent adjacent to the property and informing their handlers is enough probable cause to enter based off of a few court cases out there.
 
2012-07-23 03:47:13 AM  
that's just about a half Lb per household
 
2012-07-23 03:48:57 AM  
I have a dog that smells drugs. It smells drugs in a house. That is probable cause for a warrant. I don't see why that's so hard for you people to understand.
 
2012-07-23 03:52:48 AM  
whats really neat - is you have to take the handlers word for it, that the dog alerted in the first place

just having the dog present - in effect - provides probable cause
 
2012-07-23 03:57:54 AM  

fark'emfeed'emfish: that's just about a half quarter Lb per household


/FTFM
//don't know why i didn't go with that to begin with
 
2012-07-23 03:59:41 AM  

bindlestiff2600: whats really neat - is you have to take the handlers word for it, that the dog alerted in the first place

just having the dog present - in effect - provides probable cause


Precisely. And it's not like the defense in a trial can cross examine the K9. It's a very self affirming procedure.
 
2012-07-23 04:02:07 AM  
I am sure getting a kick out of these replies...

No, really

and how fun it is to gaze at a fly on the tv, and imagine his world changing around him with every pixel.

THAT, would be cool.

/and stuff
//or something
 
2012-07-23 04:04:29 AM  

Dinjiin: Bathia_Mapes: I don't have to see crap like that.

No AdBlock for real life, though. Dude has re-election posters all over the place. Although I am starting to see an upward trend in the number of them that have been defaced. I'm curious if the solid political bloc known as "grumpy white retirees" will still be enough to get the guy re-elected. They just love the man.


I wonder if all the people who are up in arms about voter ID laws would object to an investigation of snowbirds in Maricopa who might be registered to vote in more than one state.

Don't think it doesn't happen - a lot of those people take the attitude that laws are only supposed to be enforced against people they don't like.
 
2012-07-23 04:09:25 AM  
No No No! Better, at least he isn't Sir Lawrence, but Jesus was way more Jewy, prob. Think black pin-curls and a bigger, lumpier nose. There really isn't that much science in his varying his features to fit in with the neighborhood.

// Never
// mind!
 
2012-07-23 04:18:11 AM  
Eh - I'm all for people's right to privacy and all....

But I don't have a problem with this. If every cop in the country wants to walk around America with drug-sniffing dogs and use it to catch people doing drugs illegally - awesome.

Maybe if everyone who did weed suddenly got busted - there would be enough momentum to change the drug laws. Maybe not.

Regardless.....it is currently illegal. A cop caught someone doing something illegal. I don't have a problem with this.
 
2012-07-23 04:23:10 AM  

Frederick:
How do you feel about a drugs dogs ability to gain probable cause for searches?


I think it's totally farking stupid.
 
2012-07-23 04:25:54 AM  

Fark_Guy_Rob: Eh - I'm all for people's right to privacy and all....

But I don't have a problem with this. If every cop in the country wants to walk around America with drug-sniffing dogs and use it to catch people doing drugs illegally - awesome.

Maybe if everyone who did weed suddenly got busted - there would be enough momentum to change the drug laws. Maybe not.

Regardless.....it is currently illegal. A cop caught someone doing something illegal. I don't have a problem with this.


And I'm sure he didn't do anything illegal to get to there.

I like how slippery your slope is.
 
2012-07-23 04:26:07 AM  
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