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2012-07-22 11:53:40 AM  
the university removed the paterno statue in secret pre-dawn operation.
 
2012-07-22 11:56:54 AM  
It really is bullshiat if Penn State doesn't get the death penalty. Ohio State got a bowl ban and lost a few scholarships, I believe, and that was for tattoos, accepting autograph fees and covering the whole thing up. That's NOTHING compared to Penn State.
 
2012-07-22 11:59:18 AM  
Good. They shouldn't get the death penalty. That's for violations of sports programs. I don't think the team should be penalized at all since the team didn't commit any crimes, but apparently just putting people on trial for crimes isn't enough any more.

I await the standard attacks of being called a pedophile, threats against my life and just general personal attacks for daring to express an opinion backed up by historical precedent and rule of law.
 
2012-07-22 12:02:56 PM  

GAT_00: Good. They shouldn't get the death penalty. That's for violations of sports programs. I don't think the team should be penalized at all since the team didn't commit any crimes, but apparently just putting people on trial for crimes isn't enough any more.

I await the standard attacks of being called a pedophile, threats against my life and just general personal attacks for daring to express an opinion backed up by historical precedent and rule of law.


The coach isn't part of the team?
 
2012-07-22 12:03:46 PM  

GAT_00: Good. They shouldn't get the death penalty. That's for violations of sports programs. I don't think the team should be penalized at all since the team didn't commit any crimes, but apparently just putting people on trial for crimes isn't enough any more.

I await the standard attacks of being called a pedophile, threats against my life and just general personal attacks for daring to express an opinion backed up by historical precedent and rule of law.


The crimes were committed to protect the football team, because apparently football is more important at Penn State than the well-being of children.

From the sounds of the article, I'm guessing you're looking at a multiple year television ban, a multiple year scholarship ban, a multiple year postseason ban, probably several recruiting restrictions, and a massive probation period.
 
2012-07-22 12:04:08 PM  
I'm assuming this means they're breaking out the NCAA Spanking Machine.
 
2012-07-22 12:04:23 PM  

GAT_00:
I await the standard attacks of being called a pedophile, threats against my life and just general personal attacks for daring to express an opinion backed up by historical precedent and rule of law.


And I look forward to you ignoring a toxic and corrupt institutional culture that encouraged a cover up of unspeakable crimes and punished anyone who took a stand against it's abuses.

that aside, the NCAA has no choice here - they HAVE to come down hard on PSU football, or they risk losing all credibility. if they don't punish Penn State, how can anyone take them seriously as a regulatory agency? you might not like it, but that's how the world works.
 
2012-07-22 12:04:48 PM  

GAT_00: Good. They shouldn't get the death penalty. That's for violations of sports programs. I don't think the team should be penalized at all since the team didn't commit any crimes, but apparently just putting people on trial for crimes isn't enough any more.

I await the standard attacks of being called a pedophile, threats against my life and just general personal attacks for daring to express an opinion backed up by historical precedent and rule of law.


sigh. whether or not i feed the troll, this one will be around for a while anyways.

A coach isn't part of the team now?
 
2012-07-22 12:06:06 PM  

GAT_00: That's for violations of sports programs.


And that's exactly what happened here. Ever heard of the NCAA's "lack of institutional control" rule, which is about the worst thing a sports program can be accused of?

What else IS this but "lack of institutional control?"

Major university sports programs are a lot bigger than "the team."
 
2012-07-22 12:06:23 PM  

SlothB77: the university removed the paterno statue in secret pre-dawn operation.


yeah, but they had to pull that off in the dead of night or risk having the Cult of Joe show up and cause a ruckus.
 
2012-07-22 12:07:58 PM  

Weaver95: SlothB77: the university removed the paterno statue in secret pre-dawn operation.

yeah, but they had to pull that off in the dead of night or risk having the Cult of Joe show up and cause a ruckus.


Well, it's PSU, so "dead of morning".
 
2012-07-22 12:08:40 PM  
I wish they'd just go away for a while. No TV appearances, no news whatsoever. Stop forcing us to hear about it when we want to just watch a game.

They should do the world a favor and shutter that damn program for a couple years.
 
2012-07-22 12:08:43 PM  

Angry Drunk Bureaucrat: Weaver95: SlothB77: the university removed the paterno statue in secret pre-dawn operation.

yeah, but they had to pull that off in the dead of night or risk having the Cult of Joe show up and cause a ruckus.

Well, it's PSU, so "dead of morning".


o'dark thirty, how'd that be?
 
2012-07-22 12:11:30 PM  
don't forget, Penn State is also being investigated for possible violations of the Cleary act.
 
2012-07-22 12:11:45 PM  

imapirate: I wish they'd just go away for a while. No TV appearances, no news whatsoever. Stop forcing us to hear about it when we want to just watch a game.

They should do the world a favor and shutter that damn program for a couple years.


They're going to be terrible for a few years anyway, why not?
 
2012-07-22 12:12:28 PM  

gimmegimme: It really is bullshiat if Penn State doesn't get the death penalty. Ohio State got a bowl ban and lost a few scholarships, I believe, and that was for tattoos, accepting autograph fees and covering the whole thing up. That's NOTHING compared to Penn State.


If anything, it makes me reconsider such past penalties. Did tOSU really deserve that much punishment for farking tattoos? Fark no. In my little world, maybe the NCAA is just starting to get that biatching about random, very insignificant perks like tattoos and sneakers is pointless compared to people getting arrested for child molestation and murder. (Probably not, but it's really true in retrospect.)

Maybe they'll get the Baylor treatment, loss of non-conference games and the like. It could be the "new" Death Penalty.

GAT_00: Good. They shouldn't get the death penalty. That's for violations of sports programs. I don't think the team should be penalized at all since the team didn't commit any crimes, but apparently just putting people on trial for crimes isn't enough any more.

I await the standard attacks of being called a pedophile, threats against my life and just general personal attacks for daring to express an opinion backed up by historical precedent and rule of law.


Personally I like the one in the other thread saying how it's sad that I'm so worried about the team because they're so insignificant in the long run. Because really, if the team is so insignificant, why be so ready to kill the team?
 
2012-07-22 12:13:55 PM  

Weaver95: And I look forward to you ignoring a toxic and corrupt institutional culture that encouraged a cover up of unspeakable crimes and punished anyone who took a stand against it's abuses.


Which is ironic when the NCAA isn't even following it's own rules for investigation, if you'll read the link.

Weaver95: how can anyone take them seriously as a regulatory agency?


I can't take them seriously now because they won't even bother doing their own report before handing down sanctions. And I'd like to see the specific rules that were violated for the punishment. For these sanctions to be believable from a regulatory agency, as you demand, they had better be able to show what laws were violated.

Not to mention that the lack of a death penalty will force players who weren't involved at all to stay at Penn State and leave them unable to easily switch programs. But mob rule likes punishing the innocent.
 
2012-07-22 12:14:32 PM  

Confabulat: They're going to be terrible for a few years anyway, why not?


That's most of my argument for not punishing them, actually.
 
2012-07-22 12:16:41 PM  

GAT_00: Not to mention that the lack of a death penalty will force players who weren't involved at all to stay at Penn State and leave them unable to easily switch programs. But mob rule likes punishing the innocent.


Also a good point. But we're the trolls, aren't we?
 
2012-07-22 12:16:42 PM  

GAT_00: I can't take them seriously now because they won't even bother doing their own report before handing down sanctions. And I'd like to see the specific rules that were violated for the punishment.


Maybe it boils down to doing the right thing for once.

As far as the players go, I hope they can transfer without any problems. They didn't do anything wrong.
 
2012-07-22 12:16:59 PM  

GAT_00: I can't take them seriously now because they won't even bother doing their own report before handing down sanctions. And I'd like to see the specific rules that were violated for the punishment. For these sanctions to be believable from a regulatory agency, as you demand, they had better be able to show what laws were violated.


Bylaw 10.1, Lack of Institutional Control for starters.
 
2012-07-22 12:17:07 PM  

FriarReb98: gimmegimme: It really is bullshiat if Penn State doesn't get the death penalty. Ohio State got a bowl ban and lost a few scholarships, I believe, and that was for tattoos, accepting autograph fees and covering the whole thing up. That's NOTHING compared to Penn State.

If anything, it makes me reconsider such past penalties. Did tOSU really deserve that much punishment for farking tattoos? Fark no. In my little world, maybe the NCAA is just starting to get that biatching about random, very insignificant perks like tattoos and sneakers is pointless compared to people getting arrested for child molestation and murder. (Probably not, but it's really true in retrospect.)


yeah, but because the NCAA came down hard on those insignificant violations/perks they HAVE to nuke PSU from orbit or they risk losing all credibility. that's the problem with being an authoritarian organization...if you throw the book at someone on minor issues, you risk having to become a bloodthirsty ogre if/when faced with a real crime.

I think Penn State is going to regret facing NCAA sanctions....but the NCAA has no choice on this one. they have to do something horribly bad to their football organization.
 
2012-07-22 12:19:11 PM  
Meh, the institution was in control the whole time.
 
2012-07-22 12:20:49 PM  

GAT_00: Weaver95: And I look forward to you ignoring a toxic and corrupt institutional culture that encouraged a cover up of unspeakable crimes and punished anyone who took a stand against it's abuses.

Which is ironic when the NCAA isn't even following it's own rules for investigation, if you'll read the link.

Weaver95: how can anyone take them seriously as a regulatory agency?

I can't take them seriously now because they won't even bother doing their own report before handing down sanctions. And I'd like to see the specific rules that were violated for the punishment. For these sanctions to be believable from a regulatory agency, as you demand, they had better be able to show what laws were violated.

Not to mention that the lack of a death penalty will force players who weren't involved at all to stay at Penn State and leave them unable to easily switch programs. But mob rule likes punishing the innocent.


i'll concede this much to you - the NCAA's decision is going to be driven as much by politics and perception as it is by rules and regulation. But, as I previously said, that's the risk you take when you run an authoritarian organization - sure, you can slap people around for small/petty stuff but if/when the really big crimes splash all over the front page, you have to become a truly monstrous organization just to maintain your credibility.
 
2012-07-22 12:21:00 PM  

Weaver95: yeah, but because the NCAA came down hard on those insignificant violations/perks they HAVE to nuke PSU from orbit or they risk losing all credibility. that's the problem with being an authoritarian organization...if you throw the book at someone on minor issues, you risk having to become a bloodthirsty ogre if/when faced with a real crime.

I think Penn State is going to regret facing NCAA sanctions....but the NCAA has no choice on this one. they have to do something horribly bad to their football organization.


It'd be nice if this caused them to back off the little stuff, but I doubt it. College sports in general are getting out of control, this is just the most blatant case of it. They can do whatever they want to Penn State, but until the whole system's changed it won't stop other programs from feeding off of the cult of sport in other ways. Maybe it'll be as bad, maybe it'll be less, maybe it'll be more, but it's going to happen again, because money.
 
2012-07-22 12:21:01 PM  
I was reading the Penn State message board earlier, upset about the statue removal, and all the pro-Paterno goobs keep screaming "MOB RULE! MOB RULE!" when not blaming the media.

This is not mob rule. You want to see a mob rule, check out video from Penn State when Paterno got fired.
 
2012-07-22 12:21:47 PM  

GAT_00: Weaver95: And I look forward to you ignoring a toxic and corrupt institutional culture that encouraged a cover up of unspeakable crimes and punished anyone who took a stand against it's abuses.

Which is ironic when the NCAA isn't even following it's own rules for investigation, if you'll read the link.

Weaver95: how can anyone take them seriously as a regulatory agency?

I can't take them seriously now because they won't even bother doing their own report before handing down sanctions. And I'd like to see the specific rules that were violated for the punishment. For these sanctions to be believable from a regulatory agency, as you demand, they had better be able to show what laws were violated.

Not to mention that the lack of a death penalty will force players who weren't involved at all to stay at Penn State and leave them unable to easily switch programs. But mob rule likes punishing the innocent.


This isn't a problem at all. "All Penn State players are free to transfer to another school of their choice and to play next season without sitting out the usual year." Boom. Done.

Hmmm...Penn State shouldn't get the death penalty for facilitating serial child rape and paying the child rapist a cash bonus. But MacMurray College's men's tennis team should get the death penalty because:

"coach Neal Hart and his father arranged to obtain scholarships for 10 players from foreign countries. Division III schools are not allowed to offer scholarships."

Why should the players have been punished because of what the coach did!?!?!?!?

Morehouse College soccer received the death penalty because the "part-time soccer coach, Augustine Konneh (who had lobbied to get soccer elevated to varsity status two years earlier) signed two Nigerian-born players to play for the Maroon Tigers even though they had played professionally for the Atlanta Ruckus of the A-League two years earlier."

WHY SHOULD THE PLAYERS SUFFER BECAUSE OF WHAT THE COACH DID?

SMU football got the death penalty because boosters paid players and coaches knew about it.

The ghastly crimes of Penn State football put these violations to shame.
 
2012-07-22 12:23:59 PM  

FriarReb98: GAT_00: Not to mention that the lack of a death penalty will force players who weren't involved at all to stay at Penn State and leave them unable to easily switch programs. But mob rule likes punishing the innocent.

Also a good point. But we're the trolls, aren't we?


Yep. Sad isn't it, that trolling now means insisting that the criminals and not the innocent get punished.

imapirate: I hope they can transfer without any problems.


Well, without the death penalty, the transfers work the same way they do when a player switches teams because they don't like their spot on the depth chart. But yeah, the players are such a low concern here. We have to feed the angry mob, not do the right thing.

WhoIsWillo: Bylaw 10.1, Lack of Institutional Control for starters.


And the punishment will not be in line with past punishments for that violation.
 
2012-07-22 12:25:12 PM  

FriarReb98: Weaver95: yeah, but because the NCAA came down hard on those insignificant violations/perks they HAVE to nuke PSU from orbit or they risk losing all credibility. that's the problem with being an authoritarian organization...if you throw the book at someone on minor issues, you risk having to become a bloodthirsty ogre if/when faced with a real crime.

I think Penn State is going to regret facing NCAA sanctions....but the NCAA has no choice on this one. they have to do something horribly bad to their football organization.

It'd be nice if this caused them to back off the little stuff, but I doubt it. College sports in general are getting out of control, this is just the most blatant case of it. They can do whatever they want to Penn State, but until the whole system's changed it won't stop other programs from feeding off of the cult of sport in other ways. Maybe it'll be as bad, maybe it'll be less, maybe it'll be more, but it's going to happen again, because money.


well, whatever the NCAA does to Penn State football, it's probably gonna hurt 'em quite a bit. PSU signed up to be a scapegoat and example all rolled up into one big happy bundle.
 
2012-07-22 12:25:40 PM  

gimmegimme: SMU football got the death penalty because boosters paid players and coaches knew about it.


SMU got the death penalty for football violations. I've seen no mention of such type of violations at Penn State.

Weaver95: the NCAA's decision is going to be driven as much by politics


Which if it was any other regulatory organization, you know damn well you'd be blasting them up and down for massively overstepping their bounds. Why not here?
 
2012-07-22 12:29:16 PM  

GAT_00: SMU got the death penalty for football violations. I've seen no mention of such type of violations at Penn State.


I know I've sure seen a lot worse at Penn State than SMU. Apparently you still don't understand "football program" doesn't equal "the team." Of course these are football violations. They happened in football facilities by a football coach who was allowed to continue because his superiors let him.

SMU was just some boosters paying money. This is a thousand times worse. And YES it's a football violation.
 
2012-07-22 12:32:14 PM  

GAT_00:
Which if it was any other regulatory organization, you know damn well you'd be blasting them up and down for massively overstepping their bounds. Why not here?


Oh I think the entirety of college sports is corrupt - it's driven by money, not by academics. the policies of the NCAA have always seemed to be arbitrary and authoritarian in nature, least to me anyways. while they were off punishing colleges harshly for free sneakers and tattoos PSU football was covering up over a decade of kiddie rape. Now that the cork got popped on the whole rape coverup scandal, the NCAA has to be MORE vicious towards Penn State than they were with others on the whole 'free sneaker' thing. that's just how its gotta go.

personally, I like watching corrupt authoritarians go after one another. in this case, PSU football's toxic culture of lies and corruption up against the NCAA's authoritarian and whimsically cruel enforcement of it's own regulations. welcome to the machine!
 
2012-07-22 12:33:18 PM  

GAT_00: gimmegimme: SMU football got the death penalty because boosters paid players and coaches knew about it.

SMU got the death penalty for football violations. I've seen no mention of such type of violations at Penn State.

Weaver95: the NCAA's decision is going to be driven as much by politics

Which if it was any other regulatory organization, you know damn well you'd be blasting them up and down for massively overstepping their bounds. Why not here?


Way to not respond to my entire comment. Don't you see that this is why you're in this whole mess? Pedoterno should have acknowledged the seriousness of what was happening and called the cops, just like the administration should have. Instead, they decided to be "humane." Why should the NCAA be humane to Penn State football?
 
2012-07-22 12:36:06 PM  

WhoIsWillo: GAT_00: I can't take them seriously now because they won't even bother doing their own report before handing down sanctions. And I'd like to see the specific rules that were violated for the punishment. For these sanctions to be believable from a regulatory agency, as you demand, they had better be able to show what laws were violated.

Bylaw 10.1, Lack of Institutional Control for starters.


I think the problem was too much institutional control.
 
2012-07-22 12:36:21 PM  
Weaver95 please email me. I would like to ask you a question related to this, but I REALLY don't want to get killed by asking it in this forum.

Use the yahoo address in my profile. Thank you
 
2012-07-22 12:36:23 PM  

gimmegimme: Why should the NCAA be humane to Penn State football?


oddly enough, I think the decision is out of NCAA's hands. given the history of the NCAA and how hard they've come down on other programs for minor violations they HAVE to go after Penn State and nuke 'em from orbit. there just isn't any other option for the NCAA. they have to slam PSU hard just to maintain their credibility.
 
2012-07-22 12:38:16 PM  

gimmegimme: you're in this whole mess


Interestingly personal assumption made there. I must have some personal commitment to be defending them? I can't possibly think that people have overstepped, it must be personal.

Confabulat: And YES it's a football violation.


Boy, I sure hope the laundry boy doesn't smoke pot so we have to punish the whole team with sanctions. After all, it's a football violation so we must punish EVERYONE.

Weaver95: personally, I like watching corrupt authoritarians go after one another


Uh huh. So you've just accepted that you're throwing away your own personal rules in favor of harming innocent people. Charming.
 
2012-07-22 12:40:37 PM  

GAT_00: gimmegimme: you're in this whole mess

Interestingly personal assumption made there. I must have some personal commitment to be defending them? I can't possibly think that people have overstepped, it must be personal.

Confabulat: And YES it's a football violation.

Boy, I sure hope the laundry boy doesn't smoke pot so we have to punish the whole team with sanctions. After all, it's a football violation so we must punish EVERYONE.

Weaver95: personally, I like watching corrupt authoritarians go after one another

Uh huh. So you've just accepted that you're throwing away your own personal rules in favor of harming innocent people. Charming.


Way to still not respond to my comment. It's fair to assume you're a Penn State fan because any other conclusion is far less flattering to you. I can kinda understand your continued defense of an institution that facilitated and paid off a serial child rapist if you have some emotional connection to the college. Otherwise...you're defending evil...for some other reason.
 
2012-07-22 12:41:31 PM  

GAT_00: gimmegimme: SMU football got the death penalty because boosters paid players and coaches knew about it.

SMU got the death penalty for football violations. I've seen no mention of such type of violations at Penn State.


There has been much debate as to whether the NCAA should punish Penn State, but it is clearly authorized to do so and could even impose the "death penalty," whereby the Penn State football team would be shut down for at least one year. Articles 2.4 and 10.1 of the NCAA constitution command ethical conduct on behalf of coaches and others associated with athletic programs, and 2.4 expansively states, "These values should be manifest not only in athletics participation, but also in the broad spectrum of activities affecting the athletics program."
 
2012-07-22 12:41:47 PM  

GAT_00:
Uh huh. So you've just accepted that you're throwing away your own personal rules in favor of harming innocent people. Charming.


nah, what i'm saying is that I don't have a horse in this race. I'm also saying that authoritarian organizations aren't capable of showing mercy. Look, the NCAA went after minor infractions with a flamethrower and a full on orbital bombardment. After something like that, along comes Penn State with a long standing coverup of unspeakable crimes. the NCAA *has* to go after PSU football now. that's just how it goes with authoritarian regimes. they can't help themselves - they HAVE to kick PSU football in the nuts. it's in their institutional DNA.
 
2012-07-22 12:42:00 PM  

GAT_00: SMU got the death penalty for football violations. I've seen no mention of such type of violations at Penn State.


You're right, it's the entire athletics department's violations.
 
2012-07-22 12:43:27 PM  

GAT_00: And the punishment will not be in line with past punishments for that violation.


The Death Penalty has almost always involved the willful violation or attempted coverup of NCAA regulations. The BoT knew about the Grand Jury in March and didn't launch their own investigation until November.

The only reason Baylor didn't get the death penalty was because the school immediately launched their own investigation.
 
2012-07-22 12:45:45 PM  

Confabulat: imapirate: I wish they'd just go away for a while. No TV appearances, no news whatsoever. Stop forcing us to hear about it when we want to just watch a game.

They should do the world a favor and shutter that damn program for a couple years.

They're going to be terrible for a few years anyway, why not?


Because this is apparently worse punishment.

FTFA: NCAA president Mark Emmert has decided to punish Penn State with severe penalties likely to include a significant loss of scholarships and loss of multiple bowls, a source close to the decision told ESPN's Joe Schad on Sunday morning.

But Penn State will not receive the so-called "death penalty" that would have suspended the program for at least one year, the source said.

The penalties, however, are considered to be so harsh that the death penalty may have been preferable, the source said.


I think this ought to initiate a thorough investigation of the cultures surrounding University football programs in general. It's insane - it leads to this kind of cover-up just by the nature of the beast. University football programs take over and the culture becomes one of protecting the program and the athletes at all costs. Football players get passed through with others doing what little work they must turn in to be passed, professors are intimidated and even fired (well - "denied tenure by their colleagues") for not obeying directives to pass top athletes... At major football schools (3 of them in my direct experience), the athletics program is placed above all else, and I wouldn't be the least bit surprised if a truly thorough impartial investigation turned up Penn State levels of criminal complicity.
 
2012-07-22 12:48:45 PM  
And as I said up thread, the Cleary Act is also still in play.
 
2012-07-22 12:50:09 PM  

Benevolent Misanthrope: Confabulat: imapirate: I wish they'd just go away for a while. No TV appearances, no news whatsoever. Stop forcing us to hear about it when we want to just watch a game.

They should do the world a favor and shutter that damn program for a couple years.

They're going to be terrible for a few years anyway, why not?

Because this is apparently worse punishment.

FTFA: NCAA president Mark Emmert has decided to punish Penn State with severe penalties likely to include a significant loss of scholarships and loss of multiple bowls, a source close to the decision told ESPN's Joe Schad on Sunday morning.

But Penn State will not receive the so-called "death penalty" that would have suspended the program for at least one year, the source said.

The penalties, however, are considered to be so harsh that the death penalty may have been preferable, the source said.

I think this ought to initiate a thorough investigation of the cultures surrounding University football programs in general. It's insane - it leads to this kind of cover-up just by the nature of the beast. University football programs take over and the culture becomes one of protecting the program and the athletes at all costs. Football players get passed through with others doing what little work they must turn in to be passed, professors are intimidated and even fired (well - "denied tenure by their colleagues") for not obeying directives to pass top athletes... At major football schools (3 of them in my direct experience), the athletics program is placed above all else, and I wouldn't be the least bit surprised if a truly thorough impartial investigation turned up Penn State levels of criminal complicity.


Well, I've read about Paterno getting the phone call when the police arrest a player so he can clean everything up nice and quiet like.
 
2012-07-22 12:57:44 PM  
My guess would be that the NCAA (who doesn't just concern themselves with college football, ya know?) is going to shutter ALL of Penn State's athletic programs for however many years. After all, this was an administration and departmental failure more than it was strictly a football failure.

Seriously, I'll be surprised if we don't hear an audible "holy shiat" in tomorrow's news conference crowd.

I we'll be able to tell by the amount of police presence they have on campus tomorrow morning how the ruling will go.
 
2012-07-22 01:01:05 PM  

Vodka Zombie:

I we'll be able to tell by the amount of police presence they have on campus tomorrow morning how the ruling will go.


I know this was half in jest but...you might have a point there.
 
2012-07-22 01:01:10 PM  
Weaver95, you have mail.

Thank you for emailing me.
 
2012-07-22 01:04:36 PM  

Weaver95: Vodka Zombie:

I we'll be able to tell by the amount of police presence they have on campus tomorrow morning how the ruling will go.

I know this was half in jest but...you might have a point there.


Honestly. I wasn't joking. You'll be able to tell. After how people reacted when Paterno was fired, it's kind of a given.
 
2012-07-22 01:10:11 PM  
From the timing and everything, it seems Penn State made a deal. I didn't realize you could plea bargain with the NCAA
 
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