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2012-07-22 01:10:23 PM  

Vodka Zombie: My guess would be that the NCAA (who doesn't just concern themselves with college football, ya know?) is going to shutter ALL of Penn State's athletic programs for however many years. After all, this was an administration and departmental failure more than it was strictly a football failure.


So you're saying the Big Ten needs to dust off the old logo?

blog.crowdspring.com
 
2012-07-22 01:12:15 PM  

Vodka Zombie: Weaver95: Vodka Zombie:

I we'll be able to tell by the amount of police presence they have on campus tomorrow morning how the ruling will go.

I know this was half in jest but...you might have a point there.

Honestly. I wasn't joking. You'll be able to tell. After how people reacted when Paterno was fired, it's kind of a given.


I hope there aren't any riots.
 
TSD [TotalFark]
2012-07-22 01:13:45 PM  

i49.tinypic.com

RIP Penn State

 
2012-07-22 01:14:14 PM  

WhoIsWillo: From the timing and everything, it seems Penn State made a deal. I didn't realize you could plea bargain with the NCAA


i'm not sure if "please don't hit me in the face" constitutes a plea bargain....
 
2012-07-22 01:16:22 PM  

Weaver95: WhoIsWillo: From the timing and everything, it seems Penn State made a deal. I didn't realize you could plea bargain with the NCAA

i'm not sure if "please don't hit me in the face" constitutes a plea bargain....


I don't think Penn State football should get any mercy, when you consider that some of the victims Sandusky and Paterno created may have said the very same thing.
 
2012-07-22 01:18:31 PM  

Weaver95: Vodka Zombie: Weaver95: Vodka Zombie:

I we'll be able to tell by the amount of police presence they have on campus tomorrow morning how the ruling will go.

I know this was half in jest but...you might have a point there.

Honestly. I wasn't joking. You'll be able to tell. After how people reacted when Paterno was fired, it's kind of a given.

I hope there aren't any riots.


I am kind of curious how many students are actually on campus right now, given it's summer. I think watching for incoming traffic onubiannd US-322 today will give us just as much of an indication.
 
2012-07-22 01:19:06 PM  

Meet Us at the Stick: Vodka Zombie: My guess would be that the NCAA (who doesn't just concern themselves with college football, ya know?) is going to shutter ALL of Penn State's athletic programs for however many years. After all, this was an administration and departmental failure more than it was strictly a football failure.

So you're saying the Big Ten needs to dust off the old logo?

[blog.crowdspring.com image 400x267]


OMG! THAT'S why they brought Nebraska into the Big Ten. Conspiracy! Conspiracy!

After all, how tough was it to make that goddamn number 12 fit in that thing?
 
2012-07-22 01:19:36 PM  
(Not sure what happened there, but it's supposed say "onubiannd US-322 inbound.")
 
2012-07-22 01:21:19 PM  

gimmegimme: Weaver95: WhoIsWillo: From the timing and everything, it seems Penn State made a deal. I didn't realize you could plea bargain with the NCAA

i'm not sure if "please don't hit me in the face" constitutes a plea bargain....

I don't think Penn State football should get any mercy, when you consider that some of the victims Sandusky and Paterno created may have said the very same thing.


i'm not sure Penn State can do anything about what's coming. between state law and the NCAA covering their own asses, PSU football is going to be hit with one HELL of a storm. In a lot of ways, what's coming has it's own inertia...until that runs it's course, Penn State is going to have no choice but to ride it out and hope they aren't completely destroyed by it.

I kinda feel sorry for 'em. I mean, a lot of the backlash is probably going to damage far more than just PSU's football program. But...then again, this is the consequences for letting Paterno and his buddies get away with massive levels of corruption. If anyone is to blame for all this, it's Paterno and a couple of his friends.
 
2012-07-22 01:25:49 PM  

Weaver95: gimmegimme: Weaver95: WhoIsWillo: From the timing and everything, it seems Penn State made a deal. I didn't realize you could plea bargain with the NCAA

i'm not sure if "please don't hit me in the face" constitutes a plea bargain....

I don't think Penn State football should get any mercy, when you consider that some of the victims Sandusky and Paterno created may have said the very same thing.

i'm not sure Penn State can do anything about what's coming. between state law and the NCAA covering their own asses, PSU football is going to be hit with one HELL of a storm. In a lot of ways, what's coming has it's own inertia...until that runs it's course, Penn State is going to have no choice but to ride it out and hope they aren't completely destroyed by it.

I kinda feel sorry for 'em. I mean, a lot of the backlash is probably going to damage far more than just PSU's football program. But...then again, this is the consequences for letting Paterno and his buddies get away with massive levels of corruption. If anyone is to blame for all this, it's Paterno and a couple of his friends.


I agree with you. If you come home and your wife confronts you with pictures of you banging your secretary, the best thing to do is to admit it and let her get upset at you for a long time and hope she doesn't take half of your stuff.
 
jbc [TotalFark]
2012-07-22 01:27:27 PM  

Vodka Zombie: Meet Us at the Stick: Vodka Zombie: My guess would be that the NCAA (who doesn't just concern themselves with college football, ya know?) is going to shutter ALL of Penn State's athletic programs for however many years. After all, this was an administration and departmental failure more than it was strictly a football failure.

So you're saying the Big Ten needs to dust off the old logo?

[blog.crowdspring.com image 400x267]

OMG! THAT'S why they brought Nebraska into the Big Ten. Conspiracy! Conspiracy!

After all, how tough was it to make that goddamn number 12 fit in that thing?


Yes, because if you're about to lose a member due to its longstanding culture of looking the other way when heinous crimes are committed, Nebraska is the school you want to take you in a different direction.
 
2012-07-22 01:31:58 PM  

jbc: Vodka Zombie: Meet Us at the Stick: Vodka Zombie: My guess would be that the NCAA (who doesn't just concern themselves with college football, ya know?) is going to shutter ALL of Penn State's athletic programs for however many years. After all, this was an administration and departmental failure more than it was strictly a football failure.

So you're saying the Big Ten needs to dust off the old logo?

[blog.crowdspring.com image 400x267]

OMG! THAT'S why they brought Nebraska into the Big Ten. Conspiracy! Conspiracy!

After all, how tough was it to make that goddamn number 12 fit in that thing?

Yes, because if you're about to lose a member due to its longstanding culture of looking the other way when heinous crimes are committed, Nebraska is the school you want to take you in a different direction.


Damn... I didn't say they were SMART conspirators. They're probably just a bunch of art school rejects who don't feel like designing a logo that makes no sense.
 
2012-07-22 01:32:05 PM  
HAHAHAHAAAA...

Penn State fans from another board:

Fan 1: NCAA will announce unprecedented penalty for PSU. I have know Idea what it means or if I'm spelling it right. NCAA announcing it tomorrow.

Fan 2: Unprecedented? That means never before used, I believe. So, what exactly does that mean?
 
2012-07-22 01:36:59 PM  

gimmegimme: HAHAHAHAAAA...

Penn State fans from another board:

Fan 1: NCAA will announce unprecedented penalty for PSU. I have know Idea what it means or if I'm spelling it right. NCAA announcing it tomorrow.

Fan 2: Unprecedented? That means never before used, I believe. So, what exactly does that mean?


images.wildammo.com
 
2012-07-22 01:47:59 PM  

GAT_00: Good. They shouldn't get the death penalty. That's for violations of sports programs. I don't think the team should be penalized at all since the team didn't commit any crimes, but apparently just putting people on trial for crimes isn't enough any more.

I await the standard attacks of being called a pedophile, threats against my life and just general personal attacks for daring to express an opinion backed up by historical precedent and rule of law.


Says someone who obviously doesn't understand the NCAA.

/former NCAA conference faculty representative
//and former NCAA athletic conference secretary
 
2012-07-22 02:03:52 PM  

WhoIsWillo: GAT_00: I can't take them seriously now because they won't even bother doing their own report before handing down sanctions. And I'd like to see the specific rules that were violated for the punishment. For these sanctions to be believable from a regulatory agency, as you demand, they had better be able to show what laws were violated.

Bylaw 10.1, Lack of Institutional Control for starters.


And 10.01. Note that the list of ethical violations specifically says that it is not exhaustive; I.e., that the NCAA can determine something not on the list to be an ethical violation. Furthermore, not being truthful in an investigation is very, very bad.
 
2012-07-22 02:06:08 PM  
i45.photobucket.com
 
2012-07-22 02:06:53 PM  

bronyaur1: WhoIsWillo: GAT_00: I can't take them seriously now because they won't even bother doing their own report before handing down sanctions. And I'd like to see the specific rules that were violated for the punishment. For these sanctions to be believable from a regulatory agency, as you demand, they had better be able to show what laws were violated.

Bylaw 10.1, Lack of Institutional Control for starters.

And 10.01. Note that the list of ethical violations specifically says that it is not exhaustive; I.e., that the NCAA can determine something not on the list to be an ethical violation. Furthermore, not being truthful in an investigation is very, very bad.


Penn State should give this guy a call:

24.media.tumblr.com

Why should you go to jail for a crime somebody else noticed?
 
2012-07-22 02:12:10 PM  

bronyaur1: WhoIsWillo: GAT_00: I can't take them seriously now because they won't even bother doing their own report before handing down sanctions. And I'd like to see the specific rules that were violated for the punishment. For these sanctions to be believable from a regulatory agency, as you demand, they had better be able to show what laws were violated.

Bylaw 10.1, Lack of Institutional Control for starters.

And 10.01. Note that the list of ethical violations specifically says that it is not exhaustive; I.e., that the NCAA can determine something not on the list to be an ethical violation. Furthermore, not being truthful in an investigation is very, very bad.


well, getting CAUGHT lying in an investigation is very, very bad.

For a whole lotta reasons, PSU is in a lot of trouble...and they mostly brought it on themselves. Even if the NCAA doesn't throw the book at 'em (which I suspect they'll do) there's still the state run Cleary violation(s) waiting in the wings. I get that the PSU alumni are torn up over all this, but...this was all the direct result of what Paterno and his elite insiders did. PSU's institutional culture brought this about. like it or not, this is the consequences of over a decade of covering up kiddie rape - compounded with interest and penalties.
 
2012-07-22 02:25:33 PM  

gimmegimme: bronyaur1: WhoIsWillo: GAT_00: I can't take them seriously now because they won't even bother doing their own report before handing down sanctions. And I'd like to see the specific rules that were violated for the punishment. For these sanctions to be believable from a regulatory agency, as you demand, they had better be able to show what laws were violated.

Bylaw 10.1, Lack of Institutional Control for starters.

And 10.01. Note that the list of ethical violations specifically says that it is not exhaustive; I.e., that the NCAA can determine something not on the list to be an ethical violation. Furthermore, not being truthful in an investigation is very, very bad.

Penn State should give this guy a call:

[24.media.tumblr.com image 500x280]

Why should you go to jail for a crime somebody else noticed?


This guy is more appropriate:

www.moviefancentral.com

One of your assistant coaches rape a kid in the shower? Better call Saul!
 
2012-07-22 02:31:28 PM  
The former chair said as an example the NCAA didn't get involved in the murder of Yeardley Love, a women's lacrosse player at Virginia, by her former boyfriend, a male lacrosse player at Virginia.

i bet they would have gotten involved if the lacrosse coach had actively covered up the murder and the school leadership and staff turned a blind eye to the lacrosse player's continued murders for years afterwards. but no, you're right, that's a totally equivalent example.
 
2012-07-22 02:31:55 PM  

bronyaur1: I.e., that the NCAA can determine something not on the list to be an ethical violation.


Yeah, that's not farked up at all.
 
2012-07-22 02:33:37 PM  

GAT_00: Good. They shouldn't get the death penalty. That's for violations of sports programs. I don't think the team should be penalized at all since the team didn't commit any crimes, but apparently just putting people on trial for crimes isn't enough any more.

I await the standard attacks of being called a pedophile, threats against my life and just general personal attacks for daring to express an opinion backed up by historical precedent and rule of law.


I like Dick Vitale's suggestion: Make them give 50% of the gate receipts to child abuse charities.
 
2012-07-22 02:34:11 PM  
Just to point out... and these are reports from higher-ups who did not want to be named... the punishments will make the death penalty preferable.
 
2012-07-22 02:34:44 PM  

GAT_00: bronyaur1: I.e., that the NCAA can determine something not on the list to be an ethical violation.

Yeah, that's not farked up at all.


for the record, it's really weird to see an openly authoritarian individual such as yourself get so upset at the NCAA over this. didn't you once tell me that you believed that organizations had a duty to control people's lives in order to ensure public order? the NCAA is merely doing what you wanted.
 
2012-07-22 02:36:33 PM  

Weaver95: openly authoritarian individual such as yourself


You know, for all that you get mad at me for mischaracterizing how you think, you'd think you would not insult me by saying things like that.
 
2012-07-22 02:37:57 PM  

GAT_00: bronyaur1: I.e., that the NCAA can determine something not on the list to be an ethical violation.

Yeah, that's not farked up at all.


Its not, and I actually didn't realize the NCAA had a catch-all clause. Like all sports orginizations have.

NASCAR-- Rule 12-4-A: Any actions detrimental to stock car racing.

Baseball: "actions detrimental to the best interests of baseball"

That way they don't have to codify every single possible violation, which would create a 1,000 page rule book.

This is a good thing for private orginizations (not governments, of course)
 
2012-07-22 02:40:03 PM  

downstairs: GAT_00: bronyaur1: I.e., that the NCAA can determine something not on the list to be an ethical violation.

Yeah, that's not farked up at all.

Its not, and I actually didn't realize the NCAA had a catch-all clause. Like all sports orginizations have.

NASCAR-- Rule 12-4-A: Any actions detrimental to stock car racing.

Baseball: "actions detrimental to the best interests of baseball"

That way they don't have to codify every single possible violation, which would create a 1,000 page rule book.

This is a good thing for private orginizations (not governments, of course)


Your Honor, you'll find there is no law specifically against having sex with a monkey while standing on stilts and humming the Star-Spangled Banner. I demand to be released immediately!
 
2012-07-22 02:40:04 PM  

GAT_00: Weaver95: openly authoritarian individual such as yourself

You know, for all that you get mad at me for mischaracterizing how you think, you'd think you would not insult me by saying things like that.


you've made yourself very clear in the past and made more than a few approving comments regarding authoritarian crack downs in the name of preserving social order. odd that you would abandon those beliefs in this instance. And you're kidding yourself if you think i'm the only one who notices this departure from pattern. I'm merely the one rude enough to point it out in public....
 
2012-07-22 02:40:08 PM  

GAT_00: bronyaur1: I.e., that the NCAA can determine something not on the list to be an ethical violation.

Yeah, that's not farked up at all.


Also, to continue my point... when I was a manager of a 30+ employee multimedia department, my rule book was three words:

"don't fark up"

That was it. Those were the rules. Pretty simple to follow.
 
2012-07-22 02:42:09 PM  

gimmegimme: downstairs: GAT_00: bronyaur1: I.e., that the NCAA can determine something not on the list to be an ethical violation.

Yeah, that's not farked up at all.

Its not, and I actually didn't realize the NCAA had a catch-all clause. Like all sports orginizations have.

NASCAR-- Rule 12-4-A: Any actions detrimental to stock car racing.

Baseball: "actions detrimental to the best interests of baseball"

That way they don't have to codify every single possible violation, which would create a 1,000 page rule book.

This is a good thing for private orginizations (not governments, of course)

Your Honor, you'll find there is no law specifically against having sex with a monkey while standing on stilts and humming the Star-Spangled Banner. I demand to be released immediately!


Not sure of your point here. There are laws against beastiality.

Because the government doesn't (and shouldn't) have a catch-all clause in the U.S. Code... that's why its so exhaustive.

But sports leagues absolutely should have a catch-all clause.
 
2012-07-22 02:42:17 PM  

downstairs: Just to point out... and these are reports from higher-ups who did not want to be named... the punishments will make the death penalty preferable.


misterpterodactyl.files.wordpress.com
But, they get to keep their ears, right?

 
2012-07-22 02:43:25 PM  

downstairs: gimmegimme: downstairs: GAT_00: bronyaur1: I.e., that the NCAA can determine something not on the list to be an ethical violation.

Yeah, that's not farked up at all.

Its not, and I actually didn't realize the NCAA had a catch-all clause. Like all sports orginizations have.

NASCAR-- Rule 12-4-A: Any actions detrimental to stock car racing.

Baseball: "actions detrimental to the best interests of baseball"

That way they don't have to codify every single possible violation, which would create a 1,000 page rule book.

This is a good thing for private orginizations (not governments, of course)

Your Honor, you'll find there is no law specifically against having sex with a monkey while standing on stilts and humming the Star-Spangled Banner. I demand to be released immediately!

Not sure of your point here. There are laws against beastiality.

Because the government doesn't (and shouldn't) have a catch-all clause in the U.S. Code... that's why its so exhaustive.

But sports leagues absolutely should have a catch-all clause.


I was trying to make a joke. I agree with your point. You can't anticipate every little thing that might happen, so you need that somewhat vague rule.
 
2012-07-22 02:44:51 PM  

Vodka Zombie: downstairs: Just to point out... and these are reports from higher-ups who did not want to be named... the punishments will make the death penalty preferable.

[misterpterodactyl.files.wordpress.com image 256x194]
But, they get to keep their ears, right?


api.ning.com

If I had it my way.... I'd have all of you... SHOT!

 
2012-07-22 02:45:15 PM  
Yeah, I'm starting to agree that the death penalty will not be used. On the other hand, we do have this to look forward to at all of the away games:

static.culturemap.com
 
2012-07-22 02:45:59 PM  

gimmegimme: I was trying to make a joke. I agree with your point. You can't anticipate every little thing that might happen, so you need that somewhat vague rule.


Gotcha... my sarcasm meter runs on vodak, and its no vodak time for another 4 hours.
 
2012-07-22 02:47:53 PM  

gimmegimme: so you need that somewhat vague rule.


I like it when rules that have potentially massive consequences are vaguely defined. It's really the proper way to do things.

Weaver95: I'm merely the one rude enough to point it out in public....


I like how you're calling me an authoritarian in a thread when I'm almost the only one NOT in favor of a big authoritarian takedown that is going to hurt more innocent people than the ones who committed crimes, and you're completely in favor of it because you just think it's funny.

You wonder why I don't take you seriously? This is why.
 
2012-07-22 02:51:47 PM  

GAT_00: gimmegimme: so you need that somewhat vague rule.

I like it when rules that have potentially massive consequences are vaguely defined. It's really the proper way to do things.

Weaver95: I'm merely the one rude enough to point it out in public....

I like how you're calling me an authoritarian in a thread when I'm almost the only one NOT in favor of a big authoritarian takedown that is going to hurt more innocent people than the ones who committed crimes, and you're completely in favor of it because you just think it's funny.

You wonder why I don't take you seriously? This is why.


So there shouldn't be massive consequences when a school institutionalizes serial child rape and cover-up of same. Shoot, we're lucky that they kept it an intramural instead of making it a major!
 
2012-07-22 02:54:08 PM  

GAT_00:

Weaver95: I'm merely the one rude enough to point it out in public....

I like how you're calling me an authoritarian in a thread when I'm almost the only one NOT in favor of a big authoritarian takedown that is going to hurt more innocent people than the ones who committed crimes, and you're completely in favor of it because you just think it's funny.

You wonder why I don't take you seriously? This is why.


see how you dodged the issue and flipped it around into a personal attack? that's a classic sign right there.

*sigh*

what you are avoiding is the fact that PSU did something pretty bad and they're going to face some consequences for those actions. maybe even severe consequences, both from the NCAA and the state government. now, I don't know why you seem to be so willing to give PSU football a free pass. maybe you're a fan. maybe you're an alumni. But there's something personal there for you, something that makes you want to ignore the toxic and vile institutional culture that covered up over a decade of kiddie rape. I don't know what it is that could be so important to you that you want to protect PSU rather than make damn sure that they NEVER repeat those actions...but whatever that connection is, it's strong enough to knock your entire world view off kilter.

but you aren't alone in that. plenty others right there in that boat with you. kinda says more about you than you realize, but that's a discussion for another time. In the end though, what you and I say really doesn't matter. this thing has it's own inertia now. best thing you and Penn State can do is ride it out and hope something is left at the end. Just remember - PSU brought this on themselves.
 
2012-07-22 02:54:53 PM  

gimmegimme: So there shouldn't be massive consequences when a school institutionalizes serial child rape and cover-up of same. Shoot, we're lucky that they kept it an intramural instead of making it a major!


I don't think you can charge someone with a violation of a rule that doesn't exist, no matter how much you want to.
 
2012-07-22 02:56:08 PM  

GAT_00: gimmegimme: So there shouldn't be massive consequences when a school institutionalizes serial child rape and cover-up of same. Shoot, we're lucky that they kept it an intramural instead of making it a major!

I don't think you can charge someone with a violation of a rule that doesn't exist, no matter how much you want to.


did you not read earlier comments in this thread...?
 
2012-07-22 02:56:21 PM  

Weaver95: see how you dodged the issue and flipped it around into a personal attack?


Which wasn't what you were doing when you decided to get personal, nope, not at all.
 
2012-07-22 02:57:56 PM  

GAT_00: Weaver95: see how you dodged the issue and flipped it around into a personal attack?

Which wasn't what you were doing when you decided to get personal, nope, not at all.


so out of all those comments, this is what you cherry picked...?

again - i'm not the only one noticing this sea change in your behavior. something you might want to consider. or not. point is, the NCAA has a vested interest in biatch slapping PSU football.
 
2012-07-22 03:02:44 PM  
I get the desire to have the NCAA go the death penalty route, but I'm not sure it would do a whole lot to punish those most responsible, or serve as more of a deterrent than what's already happened. In the SMU case, as far as I know, there wasn't anything criminal. It was just NCAA rules violations. But here, the people responsible face jail time and massive civil penalties. That's much worse than anything the NCAA can do. If anything I'd go with something like Nick Saban's idea since that seems to be something that can actually be constructive.

I get the "culture allowed this" argument, but I think the message that people want to send has been heard loud and clear. Everyone directly involved is gone, and is either facing charges or dead. And after months of the massive universal disapproval, the Penn State community as a whole has to get it. The Penn State alums that I know get it, though admittedly that's a small sample.

And don't take this as a sign that I'm in any way ok with what happened. It's beyond horrifying, the people involved can rot, and If the program does get the death penalty I'm not going to shed any tears. I just don't think it accomplishes much that hasn't been accomplished already.
 
2012-07-22 03:02:54 PM  

GAT_00: gimmegimme: So there shouldn't be massive consequences when a school institutionalizes serial child rape and cover-up of same. Shoot, we're lucky that they kept it an intramural instead of making it a major!

I don't think you can charge someone with a violation of a rule that doesn't exist, no matter how much you want to.


Actually, in a common law system, you can. It was actually an objection at Nuremburg, that genocide was not against any codified law. In a civil law system, they'd have had an argument.
 
2012-07-22 03:04:19 PM  

FreakinB: If anything I'd go with something like Nick Saban's idea since that seems to be something that can actually be constructive.


What was his argument?
 
2012-07-22 03:05:28 PM  

FreakinB: I get the desire to have the NCAA go the death penalty route, but I'm not sure it would do a whole lot to punish those most responsible


Considering that a large chunk of their salaries comes from the game's ticket sales, I think killing the program would go a long, long way in punishing the ever living hell out of them.
 
2012-07-22 03:11:39 PM  

GAT_00: FreakinB: If anything I'd go with something like Nick Saban's idea since that seems to be something that can actually be constructive.

What was his argument?


His exact quote: "Maybe they ought to tax all the tickets that they sell on athletics and give the proceeds to some child abuse organization. Or something like that, rather than worrying about some punishment that is really going to have no positive affect on anything."

Vodka Zombie: FreakinB: I get the desire to have the NCAA go the death penalty route, but I'm not sure it would do a whole lot to punish those most responsible

Considering that a large chunk of their salaries comes from the game's ticket sales, I think killing the program would go a long, long way in punishing the ever living hell out of them.


But they're gone already. As far as I know, at least. It's not like their future salaries are coming from ticket sales.
 
2012-07-22 03:11:47 PM  

Vodka Zombie: FreakinB: I get the desire to have the NCAA go the death penalty route, but I'm not sure it would do a whole lot to punish those most responsible

Considering that a large chunk of their salaries comes from the game's ticket sales, I think killing the program would go a long, long way in punishing the ever living hell out of them.


And the players who never knew this was happening? The people who work on the staff that never knew? Do they deserve to be punished?
 
2012-07-22 03:14:12 PM  

GAT_00: Vodka Zombie: FreakinB: I get the desire to have the NCAA go the death penalty route, but I'm not sure it would do a whole lot to punish those most responsible

Considering that a large chunk of their salaries comes from the game's ticket sales, I think killing the program would go a long, long way in punishing the ever living hell out of them.

And the players who never knew this was happening? The people who work on the staff that never knew? Do they deserve to be punished?


Penn State football - too big to fail. you want to give 'em a bailout too while you're at it?
 
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