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(My San Antonio)   Police chief suspends a lieutenant for the fifteenth time, after he: a) make a false arrest b) beats a drunk c) insults another cop   (mysanantonio.com) divider line 136
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2012-07-22 12:29:56 PM
Just one rotten cop making the 1% look bad.
 
2012-07-22 12:54:23 PM
Of Rakun's 15 suspensions spanning his 19-year career, this is the second time McManus has in effect fired him; the one in 2010 was reversed.

Only 15? I'm sure he's just misunderstood
 
2012-07-22 12:54:30 PM
It seems the one offense that a cop will always be punished for is failure to maintain the blue wall.
 
2012-07-22 12:55:10 PM
After he make a false arrest?

/I am not the one who has done the submission of this...
 
2012-07-22 12:56:03 PM
"I'm getting too old for this shiat".
 
2012-07-22 12:56:43 PM
McManus!
 
2012-07-22 12:57:28 PM
He's a loose cannon.


/no, chief, you're off the case
 
2012-07-22 12:58:39 PM

namatad: Just one rotten cop making the 1% look bad.


This guy gets disciplined repeatedly and finally fired for being a jerk, and you still use it as a criticism of police in general?
 
2012-07-22 12:58:51 PM
Remember the typical of days of yore? .32 revolver, goofy hat, mustache. Now they all seem like roided MMA wannabes in battle dress uniforms. This is no accident. These are not police to protect and serve. They are the infantry of the police state. They want you scared, not asking for directions or a little help.
 
2012-07-22 12:59:03 PM
Ten of the disciplinary actions against Rakun stem from his personal life and often involve his relationships with women. They have included allegations of domestic violence, leaving harassing messages for his ex-wife's divorce attorney and threatening a male acquaintance.

Why single out this one guy. That sounds like every cop.
 
2012-07-22 12:59:44 PM

Mega Steve: Of Rakun's 15 suspensions spanning his 19-year career, this is the second time McManus has in effect fired him; the one in 2010 was reversed.

Only 15? I'm sure he's just misunderstood


^
This!

15 suspensions over a 19 year career? The guy spent more time suspended than actually policing. This guy must have some good friends at city hall to get reinstated twice.
 
2012-07-22 01:06:29 PM
Bullying finally caught up with him? What took so long. This guy was wired wrong from birth- there will be no behavior modification short of a bullet or incarceration to keep this man from acting on his true nature. Inevitably, there's one of these characters in any given population- glad to see another one flushed out and dealt with.

I support law enforcement- a shame to have one of these in their midst so long.
 
2012-07-22 01:07:29 PM
I hate all cops.

OK, just the bad ones like this asshole.
 
2012-07-22 01:07:42 PM
A very bad lieutenant
 
2012-07-22 01:08:15 PM
Oh, oh! Cop hate thread! I have a new story, bro:

I work security on government grounds. One day, a visitor found a small box hidden in the bushes, which contained three joints. So, naturally, I called the cops and let them know I needed someone to pick up some found drugs.

A police officer arrives with the greeting "I was having a good day until you called."

Uh, okay. So I give him the box, and he starts biatching about how they don't do anything with them but destroy them and now he has all this paperwork he's going to have to do and how I could have just destroyed them myself. He repeated that last part several times.

I was polite, of course, but I couldn't help but think fark you. Even as a white-skinned person with zero criminal history, I could seriously have my life screwed up for being caught destroying drugs, especially on government grounds that commonly house children. But you don't want to do some god damned paperwork?

What an asshole.
 
2012-07-22 01:09:49 PM
Why'd this guy get fired? If movies have taught me anything, it's we love a rogue cop that plays by his own rules.
 
2012-07-22 01:11:42 PM
 
2012-07-22 01:13:08 PM

Submitted First With a Better Headline: Oh, oh! Cop hate thread! I have a new story, bro:

I work security on government grounds. One day, a visitor found a small box hidden in the bushes, which contained three joints. So, naturally, I called the cops and let them know I needed someone to pick up some found drugs.

A police officer arrives with the greeting "I was having a good day until you called."

Uh, okay. So I give him the box, and he starts biatching about how they don't do anything with them but destroy them and now he has all this paperwork he's going to have to do and how I could have just destroyed them myself. He repeated that last part several times.

I was polite, of course, but I couldn't help but think fark you. Even as a white-skinned person with zero criminal history, I could seriously have my life screwed up for being caught destroying drugs, especially on government grounds that commonly house children. But you don't want to do some god damned paperwork?

What an asshole.


So, what have we learned? Cops are assholes and if somebody finds a free joint, you damn well better smoke it with them.
 
2012-07-22 01:16:57 PM

Submitted First With a Better Headline: Oh, oh! Cop hate thread! I have a new story, bro:

I work security on government grounds. One day, a visitor found a small box hidden in the bushes, which contained three joints. So, naturally, I called the cops and let them know I needed someone to pick up some found drugs.

A police officer arrives with the greeting "I was having a good day until you called."

Uh, okay. So I give him the box, and he starts biatching about how they don't do anything with them but destroy them and now he has all this paperwork he's going to have to do and how I could have just destroyed them myself. He repeated that last part several times.

I was polite, of course, but I couldn't help but think fark you. Even as a white-skinned person with zero criminal history, I could seriously have my life screwed up for being caught destroying drugs, especially on government grounds that commonly house children. But you don't want to do some god damned paperwork?

What an asshole.


There would be a lot of paper work for such a trite finding. Blame the system that can't come up with a one page form for recovering small amounts of found narcotics rather than a ill tempered cop that will spend the rest of his day having to come up with a report of findings and yet more follow up documents on whatever investigation your seemingly innocent act of turning the narcotics in.

But yes- there was probably no need for the cop to get snarky about that part of his job with you.
 
2012-07-22 01:17:10 PM
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R.I.P. Lt. Rakun
 
2012-07-22 01:18:28 PM

CruiserTwelve: namatad: Just one rotten cop making the 1% look bad.

This guy gets disciplined repeatedly and finally fired for being a jerk, and you still use it as a criticism of police in general?


Dude, seriously? Most of us wouldn't receive 15 warnings before being fired. Twice. Hell YES this is a criticism of police in general!
 
2012-07-22 01:18:34 PM
i291.photobucket.com

DEMERIT
 
2012-07-22 01:20:58 PM

Submitted First With a Better Headline: Oh, oh! Cop hate thread! I have a new story, bro:

I work security on government grounds. One day, a visitor found a small box hidden in the bushes, which contained three joints. So, naturally, I called the cops and let them know I needed someone to pick up some found drugs.

A police officer arrives with the greeting "I was having a good day until you called."

Uh, okay. So I give him the box, and he starts biatching about how they don't do anything with them but destroy them and now he has all this paperwork he's going to have to do and how I could have just destroyed them myself. He repeated that last part several times.

I was polite, of course, but I couldn't help but think fark you. Even as a white-skinned person with zero criminal history, I could seriously have my life screwed up for being caught destroying drugs, especially on government grounds that commonly house children. But you don't want to do some god damned paperwork?

What an asshole.


You called the cops for three joints? Hahahahahahahahahahahahaha!! Yeah, I'd be pissed as well.

If trolling..10/10
 
2012-07-22 01:24:33 PM
What the officer may look like:
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2012-07-22 01:24:37 PM

CruiserTwelve: namatad: Just one rotten cop making the 1% look bad.

This guy gets disciplined repeatedly and finally fired for being a jerk, and you still use it as a criticism of police in general?


Yes, any normal employee would be fired long before 15 disciplinary actions were given.

fark police.
 
2012-07-22 01:25:15 PM

Psycoholic_Slag: You called the cops for three joints? Hahahahahahahahahahahahaha!! Yeah, I'd be pissed as well.


Say what you will! I'm not going to be answering for why I didn't report drugs found on the grounds of a government institution. We see this shiat on Fark every day - people whose lives get ruined over tiny possession charges.

Cops can suck it up and do their jobs, even if the paperwork is bullshiat.
 
2012-07-22 01:26:17 PM

Submitted First With a Better Headline: What an asshole.


I'd hate you to. You're like the jackass who calls 911 because he found an unspent round in the bushes. It's trash, throw it away. They're not going to pulls some CSI bullshiat to catch the criminal. All you managed to accomplish is waste time.
 
2012-07-22 01:28:38 PM
Is that the A-Team van?
 
2012-07-22 01:28:51 PM

CruiserTwelve: namatad: Just one rotten cop making the 1% look bad.

This guy gets disciplined repeatedly and finally fired for being a jerk, and you still use it as a criticism of police in general?


I think he might have been criticizing the fact that this guy had 14 duty suspensions for violation of department policy and a previous firing already on his record.

And these?
"Ten of the disciplinary actions against Rakun stem from his personal life and often involve his relationships with women. They have included allegations of domestic violence, leaving harassing messages for his ex-wife's divorce attorney and threatening a male acquaintance."

People who aren't cops get arrested for many of those things. Domestic violence? Isn't that a free ride to jail for some chillaxing time, on the spot, no questions asked, in pretty much all 50 states now?

The guy is a bad egg. His department was also at fault for not kicking him to the ditch about a dozen write-ups ago. Honestly, he fits the profile for a Blackwater grunt.
 
2012-07-22 01:30:03 PM
I don't want to hear it, McBain!! You're outta here!!!
 
2012-07-22 01:31:25 PM

Inquisitive Inquisitor: I'd hate you to. You're like the jackass who calls 911 because he found an unspent round in the bushes. It's trash, throw it away. They're not going to pulls some CSI bullshiat to catch the criminal. All you managed to accomplish is waste time.


No, someone staying on site found it and gave it to me, which quickly turns into people asking me what I did with the drugs. If I had found it myself, I'd toss it.
 
2012-07-22 01:31:29 PM

namatad: Just one rotten cop making the 1% look bad.


Two or more: the idiots who keep re-instating him don't make cops look so good either.
 
2012-07-22 01:31:36 PM

Inquisitive Inquisitor: Submitted First With a Better Headline: What an asshole.

I'd hate you to. You're like the jackass who calls 911 because he found an unspent round in the bushes. It's trash, throw it away. They're not going to pulls some CSI bullshiat to catch the criminal. All you managed to accomplish is waste time.


Just think, somewhere a jaywalker didn't get fined.
 
2012-07-22 01:33:11 PM

the_chief: McManus!


McAnus!
 
2012-07-22 01:34:09 PM

CruiserTwelve: namatad: Just one rotten cop making the 1% look bad.

This guy gets disciplined repeatedly and finally fired for being a jerk, and you still use it as a criticism of police in general?


Fifteen farking times. Fifteen. Several of them involving criminal acts of violence which got magically expunged from his record instead of criminally prosecuted as they would have been for any civilian, and many of which are automatic "you lose your firearms" offenses for regular citizens as well. He's allowed to keep a position of public trust and one that requires him to be armed. If you can't see why that's farked fifteen ways to Sunday, you are part of the problem.

Cops who cover for their corrupt brethren are corrupt too.

In my experience, almost every cop I've known has been corrupt in one way or another, either because they selectively enforce the laws, or look the other way when other cops break the law, or alter their police reports to cover up mistakes and violations of the constitution

There's a reason prosecutors and defense attorneys refer to it as "Testi-lying" when a cop is put on the stand.
 
2012-07-22 01:37:17 PM
Ten of the disciplinary actions against Rakun stem from his personal life and often involve his relationships with women.


So the first 9 beatings are free?


// it's good to be the king.
 
2012-07-22 01:37:22 PM
I am absolutely going to shout "THIS IS MY LAST DEBACLE!" every single time I make a poor decision.
 
2012-07-22 01:37:55 PM

Submitted First With a Better Headline: Oh, oh! Cop hate thread! I have a new story, bro:

I work security on government grounds. One day, a visitor found a small box hidden in the bushes, which contained three joints. So, naturally, I called the cops and let them know I needed someone to pick up some found drugs.

A police officer arrives with the greeting "I was having a good day until you called."

Uh, okay. So I give him the box, and he starts biatching about how they don't do anything with them but destroy them and now he has all this paperwork he's going to have to do and how I could have just destroyed them myself. He repeated that last part several times.

I was polite, of course, but I couldn't help but think fark you. Even as a white-skinned person with zero criminal history, I could seriously have my life screwed up for being caught destroying drugs, especially on government grounds that commonly house children. But you don't want to do some god damned paperwork?

What an asshole.


Ouch... many years ago I had just finished high school and was working graveyards at 7-11 to help pay for university. One friday night we had a huge swarm of teenagers come in all at once (in varying stages of intoxication). We finally get through the giant mob, they all leave and my coworker and I are cleaning up when three young girls come out of the bathroom asking where everyone went. They'd told their dates they were going to the bathroom and had been left stranded. We start talking to them and find out that a) they're all 13 and b) none of them are from this town.

Cellphones weren't mainstream yet and they sure as shiat didn't want their parents phoned. Not knowing what else to do I phoned the non-emergency police number. The guy whined about paperwork and they weren't a taxi service and blah blah blah. One of the girls tries to get my attention and says "Tell them we're 13 and our boyfriends are 17." All of a sudden they were very interested in picking up these girls and talking to them. :p
 
2012-07-22 01:38:18 PM
This guy's a renegade. His unorthodox ways rub people the wrong way, but hell, the guy gets results. He's ruffling a lot of feathers, some say he's going to get reassigned to training the new guy, Rodriguez. Yeah, Rodriguez has a lot of heart and may get somewhere one day if he manages to not get killed, but damn it he's just a kid!
 
2012-07-22 01:38:32 PM
ahhh unions. "protecting" workers still, i see.
 
2012-07-22 01:43:10 PM

Honest Bender: CruiserTwelve: namatad: Just one rotten cop making the 1% look bad.

This guy gets disciplined repeatedly and finally fired for being a jerk, and you still use it as a criticism of police in general?

Dude, seriously? Most of us wouldn't receive 15 warnings before being fired. Twice. Hell YES this is a criticism of police in general!


This.
 
2012-07-22 01:44:54 PM
"We're entrusted by the public to carry a badge and a gun."

blogs.scientificamerican.com
static.guim.co.uk
szegedmacafe.hu
 
2012-07-22 01:48:38 PM

CruiserTwelve: namatad: Just one rotten cop making the 1% look bad.

This guy gets disciplined repeatedly and finally fired for being a jerk, and you still use it as a criticism of police in general?


you seem to have lost your perspective somewhere along the way.
 
2012-07-22 01:52:51 PM
cdn0.hark.com
 
2012-07-22 01:57:54 PM

Inquisitive Inquisitor: Submitted First With a Better Headline: What an asshole.

I'd hate you to. You're like the jackass who calls 911 because he found an unspent round in the bushes. It's trash, throw it away. They're not going to pulls some CSI bullshiat to catch the criminal. All you managed to accomplish is waste time.


You should read his story a little closer, a 'visitor' found the drugs. If I found the drugs and he just put them in his pocket and walked away, I'd be a little erked too. But then again, if I found the drugs, I know some people that par take in such activities to give to.
 
2012-07-22 01:59:38 PM

CruiserTwelve: namatad: Just one rotten cop making the 1% look bad.

This guy gets disciplined repeatedly and finally fired for being a jerk, and you still use it as a criticism of police in general?


How do you not get this, he was not just disciplined 15 time he was farking suspended 15 times and that's with the protection of a union. What's even more terrifying is the fact that he went from patrolman to corporal to sergeant to lieutenant all while be suspended almost once a year. How you don't see this as indictment of police in general is the exact problem with your kind.

Oh and lets' not forget about the apparent beating the shiat out of woman and threatening apparently anybody he wanted to.
 
2012-07-22 02:02:58 PM
FTFA: "But on July 10, the beleaguered veteran received the department's harshest punishment, tantamount to being fired, for the third time."

I think we know who's beleaguered here, and it's not the officer. Appears the union is doing what it can to nurse this shiatbag along one more year to retirement where the public will then have the beleaguered privilege of paying his 90% public safety retirement with COLA's, health benefits, and lifetime carry privileges. Just goes to show how powerful their unethical union is that he has been reinstated every time...with backpay at public expense. Meanwhile, unpaid civilians are shielding their girlfriends with their bodies and paying the ultimate price in a movie theater.
 
2012-07-22 02:04:54 PM

CruiserTwelve: namatad: Just one rotten cop making the 1% look bad.

This guy gets disciplined repeatedly and finally fired for being a jerk, and you still use it as a criticism of police in general?


The fact that he even kept his job with all those suspensions (hell, he even got thrown out once before) is what's winding up everyone.
 
2012-07-22 02:06:49 PM

Submitted First With a Better Headline: Oh, oh! Cop hate thread! I have a new story, bro:

I work security on government grounds. One day, a visitor found a small box hidden in the bushes, which contained three joints. So, naturally, I called the cops and let them know I needed someone to pick up some found drugs.

A police officer arrives with the greeting "I was having a good day until you called."

Uh, okay. So I give him the box, and he starts biatching about how they don't do anything with them but destroy them and now he has all this paperwork he's going to have to do and how I could have just destroyed them myself. He repeated that last part several times.

I was polite, of course, but I couldn't help but think fark you. Even as a white-skinned person with zero criminal history, I could seriously have my life screwed up for being caught destroying drugs, especially on government grounds that commonly house children. But you don't want to do some god damned paperwork?

What an asshole.


You honestly think you'd be caught throwing away 3 joints?
You actually called the cops to come and destroy 3 joints?
 
2012-07-22 02:12:54 PM
Give him another chance. There is no other job that he could handle. I don't want to see him on welfare.
 
2012-07-22 02:13:54 PM
is it one of those "all of the above"..

where's my option... (D)
 
2012-07-22 02:19:01 PM

rappy: government grounds. One day, a visitor found a small box hidden in the bushes, which contained three joints. So, naturally, I called th


We caught a guy stealing, once inside of the office the dude dumps some needles and his stash into the trash can. We told the cops about it when they showed up to take him away. Their reply was MEH!!! Didn't see it happen, didn't occur.
 
2012-07-22 02:24:04 PM

sobernutz: rappy: government grounds. One day, a visitor found a small box hidden in the bushes, which contained three joints. So, naturally, I called th

We caught a guy stealing, once inside of the office the dude dumps some needles and his stash into the trash can. We told the cops about it when they showed up to take him away. Their reply was MEH!!! Didn't see it happen, didn't occur.


I'm guessing you didn't mean to quote me on that since I didn't say that.

That was the point I was trying to make, cops aren't hiding in the bushes waiting for someone to throw away a couple of joints they found.
 
2012-07-22 02:24:59 PM

CruiserTwelve: namatad: Just one rotten cop making the 1% look bad.

This guy gets disciplined repeatedly and finally fired for being a jerk, and you still use it as a criticism of police in general?


Hi, I know you're a stupid, obtuse piece of garbage. But maybe he wasn't supposed to get 15 tries, you jackbooted fark.
 
2012-07-22 02:31:16 PM

CruiserTwelve: namatad: Just one rotten cop making the 1% look bad.

This guy gets disciplined repeatedly and finally fired for being a jerk, and you still use it as a criticism of police in general?


images.icanhascheezburger.com
 
2012-07-22 02:34:52 PM
Something tells me that the chief wanted to fire his ass years ago but can't due to political pressure. And he can't have him on the streets for obvious reasons. So what he did instead was to keep him suspended until he could fire him or someone hears about and it causes a ruccus to get him fired.

/Going to be a cop and I think the blue line needs to be weaken by quite a bit.
 
2012-07-22 02:35:56 PM

elkraf: Give him another chance. There is no other job that he could handle. I don't want to see him on welfare.


I give some credit to their department there. Many department's culture's would have informed the officer of the report from that security guard and the security guard's life would thereafter have become very interesting. The apparent problem in San Antonio is it appears their police union is so powerful (as in many cities) that they can overcome any consequence the department issues on an officer.

Unions are great, but they need some sort of hybrid union for police, given they are not regular office workers or laborers, but have the ability to order us around, surveil, harrass, handcuff, tase, even kill us.
 
2012-07-22 02:37:19 PM
Nobody has mentioned the fact he's "probably in the top five" of disciplinary histories for the department?
 
2012-07-22 02:38:54 PM

thatboyoverthere: Something tells me that the chief wanted to fire his ass years ago but can't due to political pressure. And he can't have him on the streets for obvious reasons. So what he did instead was to keep him suspended until he could fire him or someone hears about and it causes a ruccus to get him fired.

/Going to be a cop and I think the blue line needs to be weaken by quite a bit.


Thanks for your service. Important work. Do us civilians a favor and don't let the union corrupt you.
 
2012-07-22 02:40:01 PM

rappy: sobernutz: rappy: government grounds. One day, a visitor found a small box hidden in the bushes, which contained three joints. So, naturally, I called th

We caught a guy stealing, once inside of the office the dude dumps some needles and his stash into the trash can. We told the cops about it when they showed up to take him away. Their reply was MEH!!! Didn't see it happen, didn't occur.

I'm guessing you didn't mean to quote me on that since I didn't say that.

That was the point I was trying to make, cops aren't hiding in the bushes waiting for someone to throw away a couple of joints they found.


No, quote fail. I meant to quote the guy calling you out cause you called the fuzz.
 
2012-07-22 02:44:25 PM
i31.photobucket.com
 
2012-07-22 02:48:42 PM
Dang, what does it take to get fired...does this guy think he's a teacher?
 
2012-07-22 02:52:27 PM

krackpipe: elkraf: Give him another chance. There is no other job that he could handle. I don't want to see him on welfare.

I give some credit to their department there. Many department's culture's would have informed the officer of the report from that security guard and the security guard's life would thereafter have become very interesting. The apparent problem in San Antonio is it appears their police union is so powerful (as in many cities) that they can overcome any consequence the department issues on an officer.

Unions are great, but they need some sort of hybrid union for police, given they are not regular office workers or laborers, but have the ability to order us around, surveil, harrass, handcuff, tase, even kill us.


The unions being strong is usually the city's fault.

If you want to look at why cops tend to become asses, it's because they have to work with (or worse still, under) mega-asses like these.
 
2012-07-22 02:52:46 PM

rappy: sobernutz: rappy: government grounds. One day, a visitor found a small box hidden in the bushes, which contained three joints. So, naturally, I called th

We caught a guy stealing, once inside of the office the dude dumps some needles and his stash into the trash can. We told the cops about it when they showed up to take him away. Their reply was MEH!!! Didn't see it happen, didn't occur.

I'm guessing you didn't mean to quote me on that since I didn't say that.

That was the point I was trying to make, cops aren't hiding in the bushes waiting for someone to throw away a couple of joints they found.


Except that he didn't find them. They were turned into him by somebody else. I suppose you would think that if he just pocketed any wallets or property that was turned in too would be just fine. If somebody turns in illegal drugs to somebody and they "just disappear" from the system, what do you think people are going to think happened to them?
 
2012-07-22 02:55:34 PM
Off-duty officers aren't supposed to get so drunk that they are unfit to report to work.

Ever? Doan want to work there. Or don't want even slightly drunk officers working.
 
2012-07-22 02:55:48 PM
fixingfilms.files.wordpress.com
 
2012-07-22 02:58:55 PM

Benjimin_Dover: rappy: sobernutz: rappy: government grounds. One day, a visitor found a small box hidden in the bushes, which contained three joints. So, naturally, I called th

We caught a guy stealing, once inside of the office the dude dumps some needles and his stash into the trash can. We told the cops about it when they showed up to take him away. Their reply was MEH!!! Didn't see it happen, didn't occur.

I'm guessing you didn't mean to quote me on that since I didn't say that.

That was the point I was trying to make, cops aren't hiding in the bushes waiting for someone to throw away a couple of joints they found.

Except that he didn't find them. They were turned into him by somebody else. I suppose you would think that if he just pocketed any wallets or property that was turned in too would be just fine. If somebody turns in illegal drugs to somebody and they "just disappear" from the system, what do you think people are going to think happened to them?


Goddamn people, it was 3 joints. "OMFG illegal drugs!" Idiots, and obviously in some BF flyover state.
He's an asshole because he was pissed that his time was wasted with this? NO. The caller should have been cited for being lame and had his car impounded.
 
2012-07-22 03:01:12 PM

sobernutz: rappy: sobernutz: rappy: government grounds. One day, a visitor found a small box hidden in the bushes, which contained three joints. So, naturally, I called th

We caught a guy stealing, once inside of the office the dude dumps some needles and his stash into the trash can. We told the cops about it when they showed up to take him away. Their reply was MEH!!! Didn't see it happen, didn't occur.

I'm guessing you didn't mean to quote me on that since I didn't say that.

That was the point I was trying to make, cops aren't hiding in the bushes waiting for someone to throw away a couple of joints they found.

No, quote fail. I meant to quote the guy calling you out cause you called the fuzz.


I think you're confused haha.

I called him out for calling the cops. You did quote me, but you quoted what the other guy said and not what I said.
 
2012-07-22 03:04:50 PM

Benjimin_Dover: rappy: sobernutz: rappy: government grounds. One day, a visitor found a small box hidden in the bushes, which contained three joints. So, naturally, I called th

We caught a guy stealing, once inside of the office the dude dumps some needles and his stash into the trash can. We told the cops about it when they showed up to take him away. Their reply was MEH!!! Didn't see it happen, didn't occur.

I'm guessing you didn't mean to quote me on that since I didn't say that.

That was the point I was trying to make, cops aren't hiding in the bushes waiting for someone to throw away a couple of joints they found.

Except that he didn't find them. They were turned into him by somebody else. I suppose you would think that if he just pocketed any wallets or property that was turned in too would be just fine. If somebody turns in illegal drugs to somebody and they "just disappear" from the system, what do you think people are going to think happened to them?


My point is when someone turned them into him, he could have tossed them into the garbage can, because, as I said, cops aren't waiting in bushes for someone to throw a few joints away.

You can't compare joints to a wallet, that's just absurd. Are you going to return the joints to the original owner as you would a wallet? No, you're going to throw them away.

Someone found it, said hey I found this, so the guy decided to call the cops and waste their time instead of tossing them into the trash. I don't know what "system" you think this is entered into.
 
2012-07-22 03:04:55 PM

rappy: sobernutz: rappy: sobernutz: rappy: government grounds. One day, a visitor found a small box hidden in the bushes, which contained three joints. So, naturally, I called th

We caught a guy stealing, once inside of the office the dude dumps some needles and his stash into the trash can. We told the cops about it when they showed up to take him away. Their reply was MEH!!! Didn't see it happen, didn't occur.

I'm guessing you didn't mean to quote me on that since I didn't say that.

That was the point I was trying to make, cops aren't hiding in the bushes waiting for someone to throw away a couple of joints they found.

No, quote fail. I meant to quote the guy calling you out cause you called the fuzz.

I think you're confused haha.

I called him out for calling the cops. You did quote me, but you quoted what the other guy said and not what I said.


Yep. Getting drunk. All the buttons look alike.
 
2012-07-22 03:05:22 PM

krackpipe: thatboyoverthere: Something tells me that the chief wanted to fire his ass years ago but can't due to political pressure. And he can't have him on the streets for obvious reasons. So what he did instead was to keep him suspended until he could fire him or someone hears about and it causes a ruccus to get him fired.

/Going to be a cop and I think the blue line needs to be weaken by quite a bit.

Thanks for your service. Important work. Do us civilians a favor and don't let the union corrupt you.


I'll try. The problem I can see is that I either become complacent or burn so many bridges my career becomes dead end. I hope I can play the politics game while staying true.
 
2012-07-22 03:06:29 PM
Done in one.
 
2012-07-22 03:12:37 PM

The Jami Turman Fan Club: krackpipe: elkraf: Give him another chance. There is no other job that he could handle. I don't want to see him on welfare.

I give some credit to their department there. Many department's culture's would have informed the officer of the report from that security guard and the security guard's life would thereafter have become very interesting. The apparent problem in San Antonio is it appears their police union is so powerful (as in many cities) that they can overcome any consequence the department issues on an officer.

Unions are great, but they need some sort of hybrid union for police, given they are not regular office workers or laborers, but have the ability to order us around, surveil, harrass, handcuff, tase, even kill us.

The unions being strong is usually the city's fault.

If you want to look at why cops tend to become asses, it's because they have to work with (or worse still, under) mega-asses like these.


Are you saying that the cities don't support the cops, so the cops don't support the public, and the union then becomes their only friend or some such? Help us to understand your line of thought here, if you have a minute.
 
2012-07-22 03:25:26 PM

krackpipe: The Jami Turman Fan Club: krackpipe: elkraf: Give him another chance. There is no other job that he could handle. I don't want to see him on welfare.

I give some credit to their department there. Many department's culture's would have informed the officer of the report from that security guard and the security guard's life would thereafter have become very interesting. The apparent problem in San Antonio is it appears their police union is so powerful (as in many cities) that they can overcome any consequence the department issues on an officer.

Unions are great, but they need some sort of hybrid union for police, given they are not regular office workers or laborers, but have the ability to order us around, surveil, harrass, handcuff, tase, even kill us.

The unions being strong is usually the city's fault.

If you want to look at why cops tend to become asses, it's because they have to work with (or worse still, under) mega-asses like these.

Are you saying that the cities don't support the cops, so the cops don't support the public, and the union then becomes their only friend or some such? Help us to understand your line of thought here, if you have a minute.


I think what he's getting at is that cops tend to become asses because they're venting their frustration over having to work with jack-offs that only have their jobs there because the union won't let them get booted.
 
2012-07-22 03:26:08 PM

thatboyoverthere: krackpipe: thatboyoverthere: Something tells me that the chief wanted to fire his ass years ago but can't due to political pressure. And he can't have him on the streets for obvious reasons. So what he did instead was to keep him suspended until he could fire him or someone hears about and it causes a ruccus to get him fired.

/Going to be a cop and I think the blue line needs to be weaken by quite a bit.

Thanks for your service. Important work. Do us civilians a favor and don't let the union corrupt you.

I'll try. The problem I can see is that I either become complacent or burn so many bridges my career becomes dead end. I hope I can play the politics game while staying true.


Noted. Stay safe out there, first and foremost. When I was doing AJ back in the 90's, I read some story about a big NYPD cop that sang in his off-duty time. One night, he and his partner pulled-up to an altercation and could have gone in cracking heads or whatever. Instead he got out of his cruiser and just began singing opera in baritone. Supposedly stopped the fight immediately. Maybe you'll be that creative.
 
2012-07-22 03:52:31 PM

rappy: Someone found it, said hey I found this, so the guy decided to call the cops and waste their time instead of tossing them into the trash. I don't know what "system" you think this is entered into.


Just at a guess, a security log? You know, listing the events of your shift? Like most places have?
Just a guess.
 
2012-07-22 04:07:25 PM

chud21: rappy: Someone found it, said hey I found this, so the guy decided to call the cops and waste their time instead of tossing them into the trash. I don't know what "system" you think this is entered into.

Just at a guess, a security log? You know, listing the events of your shift? Like most places have?
Just a guess.


I missed that he was in security, you're a little redundant though
 
2012-07-22 04:16:08 PM
Hijacking this back to the article, wasn't this a TV show back in the 80's on Wednesday nights at 7?

I think it was, but I can't remember if it was one of those "action" cop shows or if it was one of those "comedy" cop TV shows.
 
2012-07-22 04:25:03 PM
Sheriff Joe has this guy in mind for Maricopa County's next senior officer vacancy.
 
2012-07-22 04:26:22 PM

CruiserTwelve: namatad: Just one rotten cop making the 1% look bad.

This guy gets disciplined repeatedly and finally fired for being a jerk, and you still use it as a criticism of police in general?


You said it yourself: "Finally fired". Why did it take so long? Is there a limit? I am under the impression this guy "Finally" pissed someone off who had friends in higher places. Corruption at it's finest.
 
2012-07-22 04:27:52 PM
CruiserTwelve

namatad: Just one rotten cop making the 1% look bad.

This guy gets disciplined repeatedly a pass on multiple threats and acts of violence that would put one of us "normal folks" in prison and finally fired for being a jerk insulting a fellow blue line fellon, and you still use it as a criticism of police in general?


Why yes, now that it's fixed, that's it exactly. Especially when you stack upon that the fact that his fellow felons in blue keep fighting to ensure he hasn't been punished earlier. See, there's no good cops, there are those that commit the crimes, those that collude.

Threats = Ok
Harassment of an officer of the court = Ok
Violence against women = Ok
Call a cop working as a rent a pig, a naughty word, well that's your a$$.
 
2012-07-22 04:30:23 PM

CruiserTwelve: namatad: Just one rotten cop making the 1% look bad.

This guy gets disciplined repeatedly and finally fired for being a jerk, and you still use it as a criticism of police in general?


How many times would YOU expect to be tagged with criminal or unethical or just plain disgraceful behaviour before you lost your job -- not "six month paid suspension", not "suspended pending investigation"? Fired? How many drunken wife-beating incidents? How many brutality claims on which your dept had to pay out settlements? How many racist rants against coworkers?

If you say "one" or perhaps "two", then you are not a cop.

If you say "14 or 15 seems reasonable" then you probably are a cop.
 
2012-07-22 04:35:59 PM
And just why wasn't his sorry ass booted out the door after the first infraction.
 
2012-07-22 04:37:55 PM

snake_beater: krackpipe: The Jami Turman Fan Club: krackpipe: elkraf: Give him another chance. There is no other job that he could handle. I don't want to see him on welfare.

I give some credit to their department there. Many department's culture's would have informed the officer of the report from that security guard and the security guard's life would thereafter have become very interesting. The apparent problem in San Antonio is it appears their police union is so powerful (as in many cities) that they can overcome any consequence the department issues on an officer.

Unions are great, but they need some sort of hybrid union for police, given they are not regular office workers or laborers, but have the ability to order us around, surveil, harrass, handcuff, tase, even kill us.

The unions being strong is usually the city's fault.

If you want to look at why cops tend to become asses, it's because they have to work with (or worse still, under) mega-asses like these.

Are you saying that the cities don't support the cops, so the cops don't support the public, and the union then becomes their only friend or some such? Help us to understand your line of thought here, if you have a minute.

I think what he's getting at is that cops tend to become asses because they're venting their frustration over having to work with jack-offs that only have their jobs there because the union won't let them get booted.


That's half of them. The others slack off because they see they won't be punished for it.

It's damn tough to have coworkers who get away with everything, regardless of occupation.
 
2012-07-22 05:00:41 PM
"he fired him Sept. 9, 2010, for initially lying during an internal investigation into claims by his then-girlfriend that he hit her in the face. Rakun said the story wasn't as it seemed."

and this time

"Rakun was unavailable for comment. His lawyer, Karl Brehm, said the summary of events wasn't as clear as it might seem."

What a misunderstood man.....

/those who would be your protector on some level see themselves as your master
 
2012-07-22 05:13:00 PM
Lot of people here thinking he's been fired.

"the beleaguered veteran received the department's harshest punishment [indefinite suspension], tantamount to being fired, for the third time."

Notice this is the third time they've 'not fired' him. The case is on appeal (again). He'll probably be back on appeal and get his back pay like before. Thanks, Police Union.
 
2012-07-22 05:13:23 PM

meow said the dog: After he make a false arrest?

/I am not the one who has done the submission of this...


Hi, meow, I thought you were over in Colorado, telling us the mentally crazy should not be having the guns of us!

Really, the headline ripped you off, you should sue somebody.
 
2012-07-22 05:28:03 PM

krackpipe: thatboyoverthere: krackpipe: thatboyoverthere: Something tells me that the chief wanted to fire his ass years ago but can't due to political pressure. And he can't have him on the streets for obvious reasons. So what he did instead was to keep him suspended until he could fire him or someone hears about and it causes a ruccus to get him fired.

/Going to be a cop and I think the blue line needs to be weaken by quite a bit.

Thanks for your service. Important work. Do us civilians a favor and don't let the union corrupt you.

I'll try. The problem I can see is that I either become complacent or burn so many bridges my career becomes dead end. I hope I can play the politics game while staying true.

Noted. Stay safe out there, first and foremost. When I was doing AJ back in the 90's, I read some story about a big NYPD cop that sang in his off-duty time. One night, he and his partner pulled-up to an altercation and could have gone in cracking heads or whatever. Instead he got out of his cruiser and just began singing opera in baritone. Supposedly stopped the fight immediately. Maybe you'll be that creative.


My main problem would be to not break down laughing when a person is freaking out. I've had experience with freaks out as my brother is autistic.
 
2012-07-22 05:45:17 PM

lilplatinum: Yes, any normal employee would be fired long before 15 disciplinary actions were given.

fark police.


Looks to me like his superior officer has tried to get rid of the guy, but the guy has repeatedly found ways to fight it. Looks to me like he has repeatedly used lawsuits, settlements, and other tactics to get suspensions thrown out, his position reinstated, and to (temporarily) get the city off his back. I learned this by RTFA.

TFA doesn't mention if his union was involved in protecting his job, and if so to what extent, but it does make clear that this has been an ongoing struggle between this cop and the city. They've clearly wanted to get rid of him but haven't been able to make it stick.
 
2012-07-22 06:03:58 PM

shoegaze99: Looks to me like his superior officer has tried to get rid of the guy, but the guy has repeatedly found ways to fight it. Looks to me like he has repeatedly used lawsuits, settlements, and other tactics to get suspensions thrown out, his position reinstated, and to (temporarily) get the city off his back. I learned this by RTFA.

TFA doesn't mention if his union was involved in protecting his job, and if so to what extent, but it does make clear that this has been an ongoing struggle between this cop and the city. They've clearly wanted to get rid of him but haven't been able to make it stick.


Wow. Someone actually read the article and applied some logic to it.

I'm an idiot for posting in this thread. I know that logic doesn't exist in these threads.

I don't support this cop in any way. It sounds like he's been a pain in the ass to his agency for a long time, and they've tried repeatedly to get rid of him but he uses every legal tactic at his disposal to prevent this. I don't know how his agency's disciplinary system works, but it obviously isn't working well.

I see this as an indictment of one lousy cop that is managing to play the system to the point of abuse. It's not an indictment of police in general. I'm betting every cop that has ever met him has wanted him gone. People like him are usually awful supervisors as well as being awful cops.
 
2012-07-22 06:21:10 PM
my god, this guy is like the Billy Martin of police.

He is an extreme example of a well known problem in public employment in general, and police in particular- civil service makes it nearly impossible to fire people, and if you do fire them and the civil service people uphold the firing, the courts may still find a reason to reinstate them. And that is before you even get to having to deal with the union.
 
2012-07-22 06:22:56 PM

CruiserTwelve: shoegaze99: Looks to me like his superior officer has tried to get rid of the guy, but the guy has repeatedly found ways to fight it. Looks to me like he has repeatedly used lawsuits, settlements, and other tactics to get suspensions thrown out, his position reinstated, and to (temporarily) get the city off his back. I learned this by RTFA.

TFA doesn't mention if his union was involved in protecting his job, and if so to what extent, but it does make clear that this has been an ongoing struggle between this cop and the city. They've clearly wanted to get rid of him but haven't been able to make it stick.

Wow. Someone actually read the article and applied some logic to it.

I'm an idiot for posting in this thread. I know that logic doesn't exist in these threads.

I don't support this cop in any way. It sounds like he's been a pain in the ass to his agency for a long time, and they've tried repeatedly to get rid of him but he uses every legal tactic at his disposal to prevent this. I don't know how his agency's disciplinary system works, but it obviously isn't working well.

I see this as an indictment of one lousy cop that is managing to play the system to the point of abuse. It's not an indictment of police in general. I'm betting every cop that has ever met him has wanted him gone. People like him are usually awful supervisors as well as being awful cops.


Answer me this. If most of the good guy's were trying to get rid of him this whole time how in the hell did he get promoted during this tenure. BTW.. most people cannot be suspended from their jobs fifteen times and still keep them, get promoted, back pay etc... etc...

Even if this was possible in other professions they do not carry guns and have the ability to destroy peoples lives at their whim.

You and your ilk should be held to the highest standard not the lowest possible standard any union lackey can come up with.

I ask again. How do you not get this?
 
2012-07-22 06:32:53 PM
They tried to fire this asshole before, and he sued over it, then settled.

Details
 
2012-07-22 06:43:54 PM

mama's_tasty_foods: my god, this guy is like the Billy Martin of police.

He is an extreme example of a well known problem in public employment in general, and police in particular- civil service makes it nearly impossible to fire people, and if you do fire them and the civil service people uphold the firing, the courts may still find a reason to reinstate them. And that is before you even get to having to deal with the union.


And the worse part is you can't even give him the shiat jobs because he'd fark those up. I can see him on traffic duty and pulling a driver out of a car and beating them. I'm honestly surprised that he wasn't been fragged yet as he doesn't even pay lip service to the thin blue line.
 
2012-07-22 07:35:47 PM

mopar1956: CruiserTwelve: shoegaze99: Looks to me like his superior officer has tried to get rid of the guy, but the guy has repeatedly found ways to fight it. Looks to me like he has repeatedly used lawsuits, settlements, and other tactics to get suspensions thrown out, his position reinstated, and to (temporarily) get the city off his back. I learned this by RTFA.

TFA doesn't mention if his union was involved in protecting his job, and if so to what extent, but it does make clear that this has been an ongoing struggle between this cop and the city. They've clearly wanted to get rid of him but haven't been able to make it stick.

Wow. Someone actually read the article and applied some logic to it.

I'm an idiot for posting in this thread. I know that logic doesn't exist in these threads.

I don't support this cop in any way. It sounds like he's been a pain in the ass to his agency for a long time, and they've tried repeatedly to get rid of him but he uses every legal tactic at his disposal to prevent this. I don't know how his agency's disciplinary system works, but it obviously isn't working well.

I see this as an indictment of one lousy cop that is managing to play the system to the point of abuse. It's not an indictment of police in general. I'm betting every cop that has ever met him has wanted him gone. People like him are usually awful supervisors as well as being awful cops.

Answer me this. If most of the good guy's were trying to get rid of him this whole time how in the hell did he get promoted during this tenure. BTW.. most people cannot be suspended from their jobs fifteen times and still keep them, get promoted, back pay etc... etc...

Even if this was possible in other professions they do not carry guns and have the ability to destroy peoples lives at their whim.

You and your ilk should be held to the highest standard not the lowest possible standard any union lackey can come up with.

I ask again. How do you not get this?


To defend Cruiser so he doesn't have to do it himself--that's what unions are for. Public service unions, like police and teachers, are put in the terrible position of having to ensure ALL their members are afforded due process. The good and the bad, the heroes and the thugs. In "other professions" as you say, which don't have union protection, sure, a douchebag can be fired at will; it was rampant firings for no cause that led to union formation in the first place. It was to get ALL members protection from wanton firings.

I guarantee you, the police union in this case isn't congratulating themselves, giving each other high-fives: "Yeah! We kept this freak on the force for 18 years and boy, did we stick it to the brass!" Just as teachers' unions are not overjoyed about protecting rotten teachers, police unions are not happy about protecting rogue cops. But that is why there are unions, and why members pay dues, often quite exorbitant ones.

That is why jobs want union protection. AND why people without such protection can be held to those higher standards, and summarily terminated if they don't meet them. You join a union--police or Teamsters--because you DON'T WANT to be fired at your bosses' whims, and you WANT them to be required to give you due process. Sadly, this means that bad cops and bad teachers and bad truck drivers can be retained on the job while they wait out the process...but that's what's needed to keep the GOOD cops, teachers and drivers on the job.
 
2012-07-22 07:41:52 PM
A cop's first rule- Do not shoot, arrest or rat on another cop.
Second rule: Expect other cops to obey rule one.
 
2012-07-22 07:56:52 PM

mopar1956: You and your ilk should be held to the highest standard not the lowest possible standard any union lackey can come up with.

I ask again. How do you not get this?


Why Gryfalcon said. Having been a board member of a police union, I can tell you that what he said is spot on. We existed to protect our member's rights by ensuring the rules were fairly and properly applied. There were a number of times that cops would deserve punishment, but the city would screw things up so bad they didn't get what they deserved. In one investigation we actually secretly told the city what they did wrong and how to fix it because the cop deserved what they gave him and we didn't want to see it overturned.

This cop apparently took advantage of weaknesses in the city's discipline system. Again, I'm guessing the other cops hated the guy and are happy to see him finally go.

This guy's story should tell you that his type are the exception and not the rule. How many other cops do you see that have been disciplined repeatedly and terminated after 19 years on the job? His is a rare case. Most cops go through their entire careers without being disciplined, at least not for the serious stuff he was disciplined for.
 
2012-07-22 08:23:30 PM

CruiserTwelve: This guy's story should tell you that his type are the exception and not the rule. How many other cops do you see that have been disciplined repeatedly and terminated after 19 years on the job? His is a rare case. Most cops go through their entire careers without being disciplined, at least not for the serious stuff he was disciplined for.


Information wasn't available on how many officers might match Rakun's record of disciplinary actions, but union president Mike Helle said, anecdotally, Rakun could be among the top five.

"could" be among the top five. Of those represented by this one union.
 
2012-07-22 08:23:37 PM

CruiserTwelve: mopar1956: You and your ilk should be held to the highest standard not the lowest possible standard any union lackey can come up with.

I ask again. How do you not get this?

Why Gryfalcon said. Having been a board member of a police union, I can tell you that what he said is spot on. We existed to protect our member's rights by ensuring the rules were fairly and properly applied. There were a number of times that cops would deserve punishment, but the city would screw things up so bad they didn't get what they deserved. In one investigation we actually secretly told the city what they did wrong and how to fix it because the cop deserved what they gave him and we didn't want to see it overturned.

This cop apparently took advantage of weaknesses in the city's discipline system. Again, I'm guessing the other cops hated the guy and are happy to see him finally go.

This guy's story should tell you that his type are the exception and not the rule. How many other cops do you see that have been disciplined repeatedly and terminated after 19 years on the job? His is a rare case. Most cops go through their entire careers without being disciplined, at least not for the serious stuff he was disciplined for.


Thanks for the response.

I just don't think you can compare a bad teacher with a bad cop. A bad teacher = your kid may need summer school, a bad cop = dead people, falsely imprisoned and destroyed lives.

What still bothers me about this is how he somehow became a lieutenant during this time if he was an outcast and a bad apple how did he reach such a high position?

I believe police should not have the same blanket coverage of unions and job protection. If you choose a profession with such high responsibility sometimes screwing up once should cost you your job.

Just a thought from another citizen.
 
2012-07-22 08:33:56 PM

rappy: Just at a guess, a security log? You know, listing the events of your shift? Like most places have?
Just a guess.

I missed that he was in security, you're a little redundant though


Yeah, security log. I can promise you that if A) I logged that someone gave me some joints and I threw them away or B) I logged nothing and it came up later that 'Someone gave Officer Submitted First some joints and he didn't mention that anywhere,' that it would come back to me. And as much as my job is joke to the word security (mostly I make sure doors are locked, etc), the institution I work for would not be thrilled.

So yeah, someone whose job it is to handle this sort of thing can deal with the stupid drugs.
 
2012-07-22 09:36:24 PM

rappy: Benjimin_Dover: rappy: sobernutz: rappy: government grounds. One day, a visitor found a small box hidden in the bushes, which contained three joints. So, naturally, I called th

We caught a guy stealing, once inside of the office the dude dumps some needles and his stash into the trash can. We told the cops about it when they showed up to take him away. Their reply was MEH!!! Didn't see it happen, didn't occur.

I'm guessing you didn't mean to quote me on that since I didn't say that.

That was the point I was trying to make, cops aren't hiding in the bushes waiting for someone to throw away a couple of joints they found.

Except that he didn't find them. They were turned into him by somebody else. I suppose you would think that if he just pocketed any wallets or property that was turned in too would be just fine. If somebody turns in illegal drugs to somebody and they "just disappear" from the system, what do you think people are going to think happened to them?

My point is when someone turned them into him, he could have tossed them into the garbage can, because, as I said, cops aren't waiting in bushes for someone to throw a few joints away.

You can't compare joints to a wallet, that's just absurd. Are you going to return the joints to the original owner as you would a wallet? No, you're going to throw them away.

Someone found it, said hey I found this, so the guy decided to call the cops and waste their time instead of tossing them into the trash. I don't know what "system" you think this is entered into.


Hmm. So this security person knew for a fact that the person turning in the drugs was not part of some sort of "quality assurance" program internal to his organization to catch shady people? He knew for a fact that the person wasn't part of some sort of LEO operation? He had absolutely no reason to possibly fear that he might get in some sort of trouble if he made the drugs just disappear?

Awesome.

/cops hiding in the bushes waiting for somebody to throw away 3 joints is most likely not even a factor
//audits never happen, ever
 
2012-07-22 09:55:17 PM
mopar1956

Answer me this. If most of the good guy's were trying to get rid of him this whole time how in the hell did he get promoted during this tenure. BTW.. most people cannot be suspended from their jobs fifteen times and still keep them, get promoted, back pay etc... etc...


..... Notes crookedcop12 is dodging this simple question.
 
2012-07-22 09:59:09 PM

Benjimin_Dover: rappy: Benjimin_Dover: rappy: sobernutz: rappy: government grounds. One day, a visitor found a small box hidden in the bushes, which contained three joints. So, naturally, I called th

We caught a guy stealing, once inside of the office the dude dumps some needles and his stash into the trash can. We told the cops about it when they showed up to take him away. Their reply was MEH!!! Didn't see it happen, didn't occur.

I'm guessing you didn't mean to quote me on that since I didn't say that.

That was the point I was trying to make, cops aren't hiding in the bushes waiting for someone to throw away a couple of joints they found.

Except that he didn't find them. They were turned into him by somebody else. I suppose you would think that if he just pocketed any wallets or property that was turned in too would be just fine. If somebody turns in illegal drugs to somebody and they "just disappear" from the system, what do you think people are going to think happened to them?

My point is when someone turned them into him, he could have tossed them into the garbage can, because, as I said, cops aren't waiting in bushes for someone to throw a few joints away.

You can't compare joints to a wallet, that's just absurd. Are you going to return the joints to the original owner as you would a wallet? No, you're going to throw them away.

Someone found it, said hey I found this, so the guy decided to call the cops and waste their time instead of tossing them into the trash. I don't know what "system" you think this is entered into.

Hmm. So this security person knew for a fact that the person turning in the drugs was not part of some sort of "quality assurance" program internal to his organization to catch shady people? He knew for a fact that the person wasn't part of some sort of LEO operation? He had absolutely no reason to possibly fear that he might get in some sort of trouble if he made the drugs just disappear?

Awesome.

/cops hiding in the bushes waiting for somebod ...


You sound upset.
 
2012-07-22 10:41:16 PM

OnlyM3: mopar1956

Answer me this. If most of the good guy's were trying to get rid of him this whole time how in the hell did he get promoted during this tenure. BTW.. most people cannot be suspended from their jobs fifteen times and still keep them, get promoted, back pay etc... etc...

..... Notes crookedcop12 is dodging this simple question.


If by "crookedcop12" you mean me, I'm not dodging anything. He got promoted because he passed a civil service test and there was an opening. That's how it works in most departments.
 
2012-07-22 10:51:23 PM

OnlyM3: mopar1956

Answer me this. If most of the good guy's were trying to get rid of him this whole time how in the hell did he get promoted during this tenure. BTW.. most people cannot be suspended from their jobs fifteen times and still keep them, get promoted, back pay etc... etc...

..... Notes crookedcop12 is dodging this simple question.


Note that I answered your question.

The union protects EVERYONE. If the guy was getting his due process hearings and not getting terminated, then one can assume they were stamped "unfounded". If an accusation is considered "unfounded" or he received other disciplinary action, then those suspensions are considered CLOSED. They exist no more than when you fill out an application and check "No" next to the question of whether you've ever been terminated from another job.

Now there is another possibility, which is that his superiors were trying to promote him off the street. A bad cop working a desk job is much less trouble than a bad cop out on a beat 12 hours a day; making him a lieutenant means he's under the eye of the watch captain during his 8-hour office shift and not out where he can kill someone. This happens a lot in civil service jobs where the person can't be fired--he's moved to a position of less public contact.
 
2012-07-22 11:03:37 PM

CruiserTwelve: OnlyM3: mopar1956

Answer me this. If most of the good guy's were trying to get rid of him this whole time how in the hell did he get promoted during this tenure. BTW.. most people cannot be suspended from their jobs fifteen times and still keep them, get promoted, back pay etc... etc...

..... Notes crookedcop12 is dodging this simple question.

If by "crookedcop12" you mean me, I'm not dodging anything. He got promoted because he passed a civil service test and there was an opening. That's how it works in most departments.


And their we have it. It just wasn't a bad apple it was the whole system. Let's see officer only 2 suspensions, promotion. Hello corporal, well you only have 5 suspensions, promotion. Good morning sergeant, we see you only have 12 suspension, promotion.

This seems to be a little bigger problem then one bad apple all the "good guy's" wear trying to get rid of. Mr12 please don't arrest me and I appreciate the fact that you have enough character to identify yourself as a LEO. It just scares me that your argument is always that it was just one bad apple. Imagine how many of his arrests and testimony were false and the impact that has had on society.

Sorry buddy, but you may also be part of the problem. FARK isn't some wacky anti LEO message board and I think you will notice that most of the opinions are very negative if not downright hostile. It's because of things like this and perhaps you should be an agent for change and not all well he was a bad apple and they finally got him once he was a senior officer and 15 suspensions in nineteen freaking years later.

Ha, who am I kidding. Taze on hero.
 
2012-07-22 11:05:21 PM

Gyrfalcon: OnlyM3: mopar1956

Answer me this. If most of the good guy's were trying to get rid of him this whole time how in the hell did he get promoted during this tenure. BTW.. most people cannot be suspended from their jobs fifteen times and still keep them, get promoted, back pay etc... etc...

..... Notes crookedcop12 is dodging this simple question.

Note that I answered your question.

The union protects EVERYONE. If the guy was getting his due process hearings and not getting terminated, then one can assume they were stamped "unfounded". If an accusation is considered "unfounded" or he received other disciplinary action, then those suspensions are considered CLOSED. They exist no more than when you fill out an application and check "No" next to the question of whether you've ever been terminated from another job.

Now there is another possibility, which is that his superiors were trying to promote him off the street. A bad cop working a desk job is much less trouble than a bad cop out on a beat 12 hours a day; making him a lieutenant means he's under the eye of the watch captain during his 8-hour office shift and not out where he can kill someone. This happens a lot in civil service jobs where the person can't be fired--he's moved to a position of less public contact.


And this is acceptable? Business as usual I guess.
 
2012-07-22 11:46:12 PM

mopar1956: Gyrfalcon: OnlyM3: mopar1956

Answer me this. If most of the good guy's were trying to get rid of him this whole time how in the hell did he get promoted during this tenure. BTW.. most people cannot be suspended from their jobs fifteen times and still keep them, get promoted, back pay etc... etc...

..... Notes crookedcop12 is dodging this simple question.

Note that I answered your question.

The union protects EVERYONE. If the guy was getting his due process hearings and not getting terminated, then one can assume they were stamped "unfounded". If an accusation is considered "unfounded" or he received other disciplinary action, then those suspensions are considered CLOSED. They exist no more than when you fill out an application and check "No" next to the question of whether you've ever been terminated from another job.

Now there is another possibility, which is that his superiors were trying to promote him off the street. A bad cop working a desk job is much less trouble than a bad cop out on a beat 12 hours a day; making him a lieutenant means he's under the eye of the watch captain during his 8-hour office shift and not out where he can kill someone. This happens a lot in civil service jobs where the person can't be fired--he's moved to a position of less public contact.

And this is acceptable? Business as usual I guess.


Of course it's acceptable... You see, a cop's love is very different from that of a square; they're just better than the rest of humanity and understand that society's conventions and "laws" simply don't apply to them. What would get you fired and black-balled within a square industry is but a noisy blip on a cop's ever-righteous radar; you would be well put to understand your place and accept that police are simply superior to you and exempt from your pedestrian mores and expectations.
 
2012-07-23 12:13:39 AM

misanthropic1: mopar1956: Gyrfalcon: OnlyM3: mopar1956

Answer me this. If most of the good guy's were trying to get rid of him this whole time how in the hell did he get promoted during this tenure. BTW.. most people cannot be suspended from their jobs fifteen times and still keep them, get promoted, back pay etc... etc...

..... Notes crookedcop12 is dodging this simple question.

Note that I answered your question.

The union protects EVERYONE. If the guy was getting his due process hearings and not getting terminated, then one can assume they were stamped "unfounded". If an accusation is considered "unfounded" or he received other disciplinary action, then those suspensions are considered CLOSED. They exist no more than when you fill out an application and check "No" next to the question of whether you've ever been terminated from another job.

Now there is another possibility, which is that his superiors were trying to promote him off the street. A bad cop working a desk job is much less trouble than a bad cop out on a beat 12 hours a day; making him a lieutenant means he's under the eye of the watch captain during his 8-hour office shift and not out where he can kill someone. This happens a lot in civil service jobs where the person can't be fired--he's moved to a position of less public contact.

And this is acceptable? Business as usual I guess.

Of course it's acceptable... You see, a cop's love is very different from that of a square; they're just better than the rest of humanity and understand that society's conventions and "laws" simply don't apply to them. What would get you fired and black-balled within a square industry is but a noisy blip on a cop's ever-righteous radar; you would be well put to understand your place and accept that police are simply superior to you and exempt from your pedestrian mores and expectations.


It's beautiful.
 
2012-07-23 12:16:45 AM

mopar1956: It just scares me that your argument is always that it was just one bad apple. Imagine how many of his arrests and testimony were false and the impact that has had on society.


You asked a question and I answered it. Why are you attacking me?
 
2012-07-23 12:33:55 AM

CruiserTwelve: mopar1956: It just scares me that your argument is always that it was just one bad apple. Imagine how many of his arrests and testimony were false and the impact that has had on society.

You asked a question and I answered it. Why are you attacking me?


I would just like you to explain how a bad apple who you say is the 1% can keep getting promoted and that's not evidence of a systematic problem. I get that's what unions do but his own department thinks that he is maybe in the top 5 offenders. how is this possible? Sorry you feel attacked, imagine how the fine citizens feel.
 
2012-07-23 12:42:07 AM

mopar1956: Gyrfalcon: OnlyM3: mopar1956

Answer me this. If most of the good guy's were trying to get rid of him this whole time how in the hell did he get promoted during this tenure. BTW.. most people cannot be suspended from their jobs fifteen times and still keep them, get promoted, back pay etc... etc...

..... Notes crookedcop12 is dodging this simple question.

Note that I answered your question.

The union protects EVERYONE. If the guy was getting his due process hearings and not getting terminated, then one can assume they were stamped "unfounded". If an accusation is considered "unfounded" or he received other disciplinary action, then those suspensions are considered CLOSED. They exist no more than when you fill out an application and check "No" next to the question of whether you've ever been terminated from another job.

Now there is another possibility, which is that his superiors were trying to promote him off the street. A bad cop working a desk job is much less trouble than a bad cop out on a beat 12 hours a day; making him a lieutenant means he's under the eye of the watch captain during his 8-hour office shift and not out where he can kill someone. This happens a lot in civil service jobs where the person can't be fired--he's moved to a position of less public contact.

And this is acceptable? Business as usual I guess.


I didn't say it was acceptable. But it is what it is. You're confusing an explanation with an excuse, and I'm sorry you can't understand the difference, or realize that just because something "seems wrong" doesn't mean it will go away because you disapprove.
 
2012-07-23 12:46:02 AM

Gyrfalcon: mopar1956: Gyrfalcon: OnlyM3: mopar1956

Answer me this. If most of the good guy's were trying to get rid of him this whole time how in the hell did he get promoted during this tenure. BTW.. most people cannot be suspended from their jobs fifteen times and still keep them, get promoted, back pay etc... etc...

..... Notes crookedcop12 is dodging this simple question.

Note that I answered your question.

The union protects EVERYONE. If the guy was getting his due process hearings and not getting terminated, then one can assume they were stamped "unfounded". If an accusation is considered "unfounded" or he received other disciplinary action, then those suspensions are considered CLOSED. They exist no more than when you fill out an application and check "No" next to the question of whether you've ever been terminated from another job.

Now there is another possibility, which is that his superiors were trying to promote him off the street. A bad cop working a desk job is much less trouble than a bad cop out on a beat 12 hours a day; making him a lieutenant means he's under the eye of the watch captain during his 8-hour office shift and not out where he can kill someone. This happens a lot in civil service jobs where the person can't be fired--he's moved to a position of less public contact.

And this is acceptable? Business as usual I guess.

I didn't say it was acceptable. But it is what it is. You're confusing an explanation with an excuse, and I'm sorry you can't understand the difference, or realize that just because something "seems wrong" doesn't mean it will go away because you disapprove.


I understand why it happens. I guess my outrage is the idea that it is acceptable for it to happen. Futile grumblings on my part I guess.
 
2012-07-23 12:56:31 AM

CruiserTwelve: Again, I'm guessing the other cops hated the guy and are happy to see him finally go.


This makes me wonder how much he could have gotten away with if he had the support of his boss and his colleagues, and if his violations had been against (presumed) criminal types instead of against his family and fellow cops.

I mean, it's apparently still really hard to fire Rakun even after threats, domestic violence, public drunkenness, racist slurs, and lying to investigators. It would be much cheaper and easier to let him stay. If Rakun stayed on the force and progressively escalated the violence and abuse of power, it would get easier and easier to fire him and harder to let him stay, until at some point it would actually be easier to fire him than to let him go. What would it take to reach that point?

Now suppose there's a cop that Chief McManus thinks is a good guy, and the chief is willing to go just as far to keep this cop on the force as he would to get Rakun off the force. How much would this "good cop" have to do before it was just as difficult to keep him on the force as it is to get Rakun off the force?
 
2012-07-23 12:57:51 AM

AustinFakir: than to let him go

on.

FTFM
 
2012-07-23 01:00:27 AM

mopar1956: Gyrfalcon: mopar1956: Gyrfalcon: OnlyM3: mopar1956

Answer me this. If most of the good guy's were trying to get rid of him this whole time how in the hell did he get promoted during this tenure. BTW.. most people cannot be suspended from their jobs fifteen times and still keep them, get promoted, back pay etc... etc...

..... Notes crookedcop12 is dodging this simple question.

Note that I answered your question.

The union protects EVERYONE. If the guy was getting his due process hearings and not getting terminated, then one can assume they were stamped "unfounded". If an accusation is considered "unfounded" or he received other disciplinary action, then those suspensions are considered CLOSED. They exist no more than when you fill out an application and check "No" next to the question of whether you've ever been terminated from another job.

Now there is another possibility, which is that his superiors were trying to promote him off the street. A bad cop working a desk job is much less trouble than a bad cop out on a beat 12 hours a day; making him a lieutenant means he's under the eye of the watch captain during his 8-hour office shift and not out where he can kill someone. This happens a lot in civil service jobs where the person can't be fired--he's moved to a position of less public contact.

And this is acceptable? Business as usual I guess.

I didn't say it was acceptable. But it is what it is. You're confusing an explanation with an excuse, and I'm sorry you can't understand the difference, or realize that just because something "seems wrong" doesn't mean it will go away because you disapprove.

I understand why it happens. I guess my outrage is the idea that it is acceptable for it to happen. Futile grumblings on my part I guess.


Only if you sit around grumbling and being outraged and not offering (or better still, working for) changes that will punish the bad union members while protecting the good.

As long as the knee-jerk response to stuff like this is OMG! BAD COPZ! HANG 'M! and not to develop better ways to solve the problem--there will be no solution. Teachers' unions (the area I know more about than cop unions) cannot eliminate their members' due process unless there is a way to ensure that petty parents or vengeful students can't get teachers fired at the drop of a hat. Same is true for cops: The public hates cops, and will make up stuff to get their local flatfoot axed. Until there is a better way to sort through false accusations and honest mistakes, the public service unions have to protect ALL their members, and assume they are ALL good unless proven otherwise.

Outrage is fine--I am outraged when I hear of a dirty cop or a lousy teacher being shielded by their union. But I also don't want to see people who work for the public subject to the same whims that you or I have to worry about every time we go to work. (As in: Boss didn't get laid, boss fires your ass for being fifteen minutes late. Cop writes angry driver a ticket, angry driver files complaint with PD--and boss who didn't get laid fires cop)
 
2012-07-23 01:12:00 AM

Gyrfalcon: mopar1956: Gyrfalcon: mopar1956: Gyrfalcon: OnlyM3: mopar1956

Answer me this. If most of the good guy's were trying to get rid of him this whole time how in the hell did he get promoted during this tenure. BTW.. most people cannot be suspended from their jobs fifteen times and still keep them, get promoted, back pay etc... etc...

..... Notes crookedcop12 is dodging this simple question.

Note that I answered your question.

The union protects EVERYONE. If the guy was getting his due process hearings and not getting terminated, then one can assume they were stamped "unfounded". If an accusation is considered "unfounded" or he received other disciplinary action, then those suspensions are considered CLOSED. They exist no more than when you fill out an application and check "No" next to the question of whether you've ever been terminated from another job.

Now there is another possibility, which is that his superiors were trying to promote him off the street. A bad cop working a desk job is much less trouble than a bad cop out on a beat 12 hours a day; making him a lieutenant means he's under the eye of the watch captain during his 8-hour office shift and not out where he can kill someone. This happens a lot in civil service jobs where the person can't be fired--he's moved to a position of less public contact.

And this is acceptable? Business as usual I guess.

I didn't say it was acceptable. But it is what it is. You're confusing an explanation with an excuse, and I'm sorry you can't understand the difference, or realize that just because something "seems wrong" doesn't mean it will go away because you disapprove.

I understand why it happens. I guess my outrage is the idea that it is acceptable for it to happen. Futile grumblings on my part I guess.

Only if you sit around grumbling and being outraged and not offering (or better still, working for) changes that will punish the bad union members while protecting the good.

As long as the knee-jerk response to stu ...


Which is all reasonable. I think you are confusing a baseless or minor allegation which I believe would typically involve some sort of wright up or official reprimand with 15 suspensions, as in you you keep farking up so bad we would rather pay you to stay home.

You keep comparing police to teachers, which I believe is not honest. If a teacher is accused of spousal abuse, threatening someone and threatening a court official they wouldn't slap a gun in his hand and say have at the streets. Its kinda apples and oranges.

Solution. Take away immunity from police forces and absolute protection from their union. If you want to carry a gun drive a cruiser and be a hero, expect to be held to a higher standard.
 
2012-07-23 01:38:00 AM
I've been saying for years we need some sort of hybrid union for police. Unions are great, but office workers, laborers, and teachers don't have the ability to surveill, handcuff, beat, or shoot citizens as part of their work. A solution that provides police with collective bargaining for wages and benefits but requires more like military accountability on surveillance and force might be useful.
 
2012-07-23 08:10:24 AM

Saborlas: It seems the one offense that a cop will always be punished for is failure to maintain the blue wall.


THIS.

Police reform will never happen because of this attitude. Anyone inside the system who advocates or openly supports reform will be harassed, marginalized, and driven out... if not set up to be killed.

We need a Federal LE agency that has as it's sole mission to arrest and prosecute other cops. The FBI is supposed this but they have too many ties to state/local PDs to really do it effectively. How long have they been investigating Sheriff Joe? And how many arrests have been made.

An independent agency would have no conflicts of interest and no need to cooperate with the local yokels.
 
2012-07-23 08:14:06 AM

mopar1956: Solution. Take away immunity from police forces and absolute protection from their union. If you want to carry a gun drive a cruiser and be a hero, expect to be held to a higher standard.


So much THIS.

The way it is now, a cop will get suspended or fired for an offense that would get a civilian jail time.

This should be inverted. Cops who break the law should get a harsher punishment than a civilian who commits the same crime. Right-wingers love "zero tolerance" policies... so where's the zero tolerance policy for police corruption and abuse of power?
 
2012-07-23 09:02:03 AM

rappy: Benjimin_Dover: rappy: Benjimin_Dover: rappy: sobernutz: rappy: government grounds. One day, a visitor found a small box hidden in the bushes, which contained three joints. So, naturally, I called th

We caught a guy stealing, once inside of the office the dude dumps some needles and his stash into the trash can. We told the cops about it when they showed up to take him away. Their reply was MEH!!! Didn't see it happen, didn't occur.

I'm guessing you didn't mean to quote me on that since I didn't say that.

That was the point I was trying to make, cops aren't hiding in the bushes waiting for someone to throw away a couple of joints they found.

Except that he didn't find them. They were turned into him by somebody else. I suppose you would think that if he just pocketed any wallets or property that was turned in too would be just fine. If somebody turns in illegal drugs to somebody and they "just disappear" from the system, what do you think people are going to think happened to them?

My point is when someone turned them into him, he could have tossed them into the garbage can, because, as I said, cops aren't waiting in bushes for someone to throw a few joints away.

You can't compare joints to a wallet, that's just absurd. Are you going to return the joints to the original owner as you would a wallet? No, you're going to throw them away.

Someone found it, said hey I found this, so the guy decided to call the cops and waste their time instead of tossing them into the trash. I don't know what "system" you think this is entered into.

Hmm. So this security person knew for a fact that the person turning in the drugs was not part of some sort of "quality assurance" program internal to his organization to catch shady people? He knew for a fact that the person wasn't part of some sort of LEO operation? He had absolutely no reason to possibly fear that he might get in some sort of trouble if he made the drugs just disappear?

Awesome.

/cops hiding in the bushes wai ...


Says the person who just saw his point evaporate.
 
2012-07-23 09:06:46 AM
CruiserTwelve

mopar1956: It just scares me that your argument is always that it was just one bad apple. Imagine how many of his arrests and testimony were false and the impact that has had on society.

You asked a question and I answered it. Why are you attacking me?


Just because you defend a dirtbag crew that promotes one of its members that is beating women, threatening others lives? You're right. None of that deserves ridicule or shame. You don't happen to work for Penn state, do you?
 
2012-07-23 09:12:12 AM

ElLoco: CruiserTwelve: namatad: Just one rotten cop making the 1% look bad.

This guy gets disciplined repeatedly and finally fired for being a jerk, and you still use it as a criticism of police in general?

I think he might have been criticizing the fact that this guy had 14 duty suspensions for violation of department policy and a previous firing already on his record.

And these?
"Ten of the disciplinary actions against Rakun stem from his personal life and often involve his relationships with women. They have included allegations of domestic violence, leaving harassing messages for his ex-wife's divorce attorney and threatening a male acquaintance."

People who aren't cops get arrested for many of those things. Domestic violence? Isn't that a free ride to jail for some chillaxing time, on the spot, no questions asked, in pretty much all 50 states now?

The guy is a bad egg. His department was also at fault for not kicking him to the ditch about a dozen write-ups ago. Honestly, he fits the profile for a Blackwater grunt.


Don't know about other states, but try getting a carry permit after a domestic violence charge in Alabama.
I was in the permit office the other day when some guy was trying to get his concealed carry permit. Turned down because of an old charge.
But it's OK for this animal to have access to whatever he likes and a badge to back it up with.
 
2012-07-23 12:21:50 PM

OnlyM3: Just because you defend a dirtbag crew that promotes one of its members that is beating women, threatening others lives? You're right. None of that deserves ridicule or shame. You don't happen to work for Penn state, do you?


Please point out where I defended anyone in this thread. In fact, I made this statement: I don't support this cop in any way. It sounds like he's been a pain in the ass to his agency for a long time, and they've tried repeatedly to get rid of him but he uses every legal tactic at his disposal to prevent this. I don't know how his agency's disciplinary system works, but it obviously isn't working well.

Your post is precisely why I avoid posting in these threads any more. No matter what I say, it's filtered by some people to become a defense of bad cops. They can't fathom that most cops detest cops like the one in the article. We want those cops gone.
 
2012-07-23 07:12:25 PM
Are promotion levels given out per thousand cups of coffee?
 
2012-07-23 08:52:46 PM
Did ya ever notice how after the predictable "I'm not defending this bad cop BUT......" post from cruiser12 come the inevitable "that's why I don't post in these threads anymore" post from cruiser12?

I noticed that.
 
2012-07-23 09:23:03 PM

Bill_Wick's_Friend: Did ya ever notice how after the predictable "I'm not defending this bad cop BUT......" post from cruiser12 come the inevitable "that's why I don't post in these threads anymore" post from cruiser12?

I noticed that.


No, you didn't notice that, you made that up. Where in this thread or any other thread have I said "I'm not defending this cop BUT..." I didn't. I clearly said, and I repeat again, I don't support this cop in any way. It sounds like he's been a pain in the ass to his agency for a long time, and they've tried repeatedly to get rid of him but he uses every legal tactic at his disposal to prevent this. I don't know how his agency's disciplinary system works, but it obviously isn't working well.

That you have twisted this to fit your erroneous view of cops in general and me specifically is exactly why I avoid these threads. The fact that you find my opinions "predictable" is because you filter them to be so, not because they're actually predictable.
 
2012-07-23 10:09:36 PM

CruiserTwelve: No, you didn't notice that, you made that up


No I didn't.


This guy gets disciplined repeatedly and finally fired for being a jerk, and you still use it as a criticism of police in general?


You played the same two-step that you often do. You condemn the bad cop but insist that there's no systemic problem and you feel satisfied to wipe your hands and declare "See! The system works in the end!", In doing so you ignore the multitudes of people pointing out that "the system" for most jobs doesn't involve 15 incidents -- several of them criminal -- before a person loses that job,..and these are for jobs that don't hold the authority to wear a badge, carry a gun and put people in jail. You also ignore that "the system" promoted him repeatedly during the many many years that he held a badge and a gun.

You also ignore that "bad cop keeps job" is a common headline.

You ignore all of that. Very deliberately, considering how many times in this thread it's been pointed out.

....and then you play your self-flagellating "Oh, I don't know why I even bother posting in these threads", flounce like my Jewish momma.

I don't trust the police and your constant passive-aggressive "i'm not defending bad cops but...." defences of bad cops, in some small way, adds to that mistrust.

You're so used to the stink that you don't even smell what you're peddling anymore.
 
2012-07-23 10:31:34 PM

Bill_Wick's_Friend: You're so used to the stink that you don't even smell what you're peddling anymore.


I'm not peddling anything. You're reading way more into my posts than I'm saying. Just because I don't join the cop-hate brigade does not mean that I'm supporting or defending bad cops. I don't know how to make that any more clear than I already have.
 
2012-07-23 10:41:10 PM

CruiserTwelve: I don't know how to make that any more clear than I already have.


Fark commenters: Boo! Bad cop!

You: Sure sure, bad cop, but other thing, obfuscation, one bad apple, system worked eventually, union, something something hard dangerous job, not as bad as it could be, not as bad as it sounds, both sides are bad.

How could you make it more clear? Don't always do that. Cuz that's what you do.
 
2012-07-24 02:02:14 AM

CruiserTwelve: Your post is precisely why I avoid posting in these threads any more. No matter what I say, it's filtered by some people to become a defense of bad cops. They can't fathom that most cops detest cops like the one in the article. We want those cops gone.


But you're not willing to give up the benefits of belonging to the FOP (or whatever other union you're a member of), and happily pay your dues for their protection.

If you're not willing to give up YOUR security blanket to get rid of the bad cops, you're part of the problem.

If you pay dues to the organization that defends these shiatbags, you're part of the problem.

If you were serious about getting rid of the bad cops, you'd work to get rid of the organization that keeps them on the job. But you don't. You are an enabler. You are part of the problem.
 
2012-07-24 08:45:29 AM

Bill_Wick's_Friend: CruiserTwelve: I don't know how to make that any more clear than I already have.

Fark commenters: Boo! Bad cop!

You: Sure sure, bad cop, but other thing, obfuscation, one bad apple, system worked eventually, union, something something hard dangerous job, not as bad as it could be, not as bad as it sounds, both sides are bad.

How could you make it more clear? Don't always do that. Cuz that's what you do.


You have a very active imagination. I'm not going to feed it any more.
 
2012-07-24 08:46:53 AM

clyph: CruiserTwelve: Your post is precisely why I avoid posting in these threads any more. No matter what I say, it's filtered by some people to become a defense of bad cops. They can't fathom that most cops detest cops like the one in the article. We want those cops gone.

But you're not willing to give up the benefits of belonging to the FOP (or whatever other union you're a member of), and happily pay your dues for their protection.

If you're not willing to give up YOUR security blanket to get rid of the bad cops, you're part of the problem.

If you pay dues to the organization that defends these shiatbags, you're part of the problem.

If you were serious about getting rid of the bad cops, you'd work to get rid of the organization that keeps them on the job. But you don't. You are an enabler. You are part of the problem.


Um... yeah... We should get rid of the union because once in a great while it helps a bad cop keep his job. Right...

Do you have any idea what unions do?
 
2012-07-24 09:42:44 AM

CruiserTwelve:
Um... yeah... We should get rid of the union because once in a great while it helps a bad cop keep his job. Right...

Do you have any idea what unions do?


All too well. Much to my everlasting embarrassment, I am closely related to several LE officers by blood.

And yes, any organization that protects bad cops instead of throwing them to the wolves it is an enabler of corruption and abuse and should be abolished on those grounds. Organizations have a culture, and it's nearly impossible to change that culture, especially if has an institutionalized tolerance for corruption. Corrupt organizations cannot be reformed, they can only be destroyed.

You say you don't like corrupt cops, but you're unwilling to make any personal sacrifice to do something about it. So it's just lip service. You're still part of the problem.
 
2012-07-24 12:06:18 PM

clyph: If you were serious about getting rid of the bad cops, you'd work to get rid of the organization that keeps them on the job.


The organization that keeps them on the job is the employer not the union. If they fail to avail themselves of the tools that were negotiated into pretty much every union contract that are there specifically to remove bad apples, then they are the a-holes. However, having been a member of a union, it is all too common for members of management to view those tools as "too hard to employ" or "too much paper work" or "they aren't going to do any good anyways so why bother." They are there, so use them.
 
2012-07-24 01:30:48 PM

CruiserTwelve: You have a very active imagination


So you didn't say: "
This guy gets disciplined repeatedly and finally fired for being a jerk, and you still use it as a criticism of police in general?"

...while ignoring the fact that people in most jobs -- jobs that don't give authority to arrest, shoot, beat or electrically shock citizens -- don't get 15 criminal activities before they lose their jobs? Yes, that level of corruption IS a criticism of this department. A department that you defend because you seem to think that "one bad cop" operated in a vacuum for over a decade while being promoted.

You typed it. Now you backpedal. How....typical.
 
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