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(My San Antonio)   Police chief suspends a lieutenant for the fifteenth time, after he: a) make a false arrest b) beats a drunk c) insults another cop   (mysanantonio.com) divider line 136
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2012-07-22 02:13:54 PM  
is it one of those "all of the above"..

where's my option... (D)
 
2012-07-22 02:19:01 PM  

rappy: government grounds. One day, a visitor found a small box hidden in the bushes, which contained three joints. So, naturally, I called th


We caught a guy stealing, once inside of the office the dude dumps some needles and his stash into the trash can. We told the cops about it when they showed up to take him away. Their reply was MEH!!! Didn't see it happen, didn't occur.
 
2012-07-22 02:24:04 PM  

sobernutz: rappy: government grounds. One day, a visitor found a small box hidden in the bushes, which contained three joints. So, naturally, I called th

We caught a guy stealing, once inside of the office the dude dumps some needles and his stash into the trash can. We told the cops about it when they showed up to take him away. Their reply was MEH!!! Didn't see it happen, didn't occur.


I'm guessing you didn't mean to quote me on that since I didn't say that.

That was the point I was trying to make, cops aren't hiding in the bushes waiting for someone to throw away a couple of joints they found.
 
2012-07-22 02:24:59 PM  

CruiserTwelve: namatad: Just one rotten cop making the 1% look bad.

This guy gets disciplined repeatedly and finally fired for being a jerk, and you still use it as a criticism of police in general?


Hi, I know you're a stupid, obtuse piece of garbage. But maybe he wasn't supposed to get 15 tries, you jackbooted fark.
 
2012-07-22 02:31:16 PM  

CruiserTwelve: namatad: Just one rotten cop making the 1% look bad.

This guy gets disciplined repeatedly and finally fired for being a jerk, and you still use it as a criticism of police in general?


images.icanhascheezburger.com
 
2012-07-22 02:34:52 PM  
Something tells me that the chief wanted to fire his ass years ago but can't due to political pressure. And he can't have him on the streets for obvious reasons. So what he did instead was to keep him suspended until he could fire him or someone hears about and it causes a ruccus to get him fired.

/Going to be a cop and I think the blue line needs to be weaken by quite a bit.
 
2012-07-22 02:35:56 PM  

elkraf: Give him another chance. There is no other job that he could handle. I don't want to see him on welfare.


I give some credit to their department there. Many department's culture's would have informed the officer of the report from that security guard and the security guard's life would thereafter have become very interesting. The apparent problem in San Antonio is it appears their police union is so powerful (as in many cities) that they can overcome any consequence the department issues on an officer.

Unions are great, but they need some sort of hybrid union for police, given they are not regular office workers or laborers, but have the ability to order us around, surveil, harrass, handcuff, tase, even kill us.
 
2012-07-22 02:37:19 PM  
Nobody has mentioned the fact he's "probably in the top five" of disciplinary histories for the department?
 
2012-07-22 02:38:54 PM  

thatboyoverthere: Something tells me that the chief wanted to fire his ass years ago but can't due to political pressure. And he can't have him on the streets for obvious reasons. So what he did instead was to keep him suspended until he could fire him or someone hears about and it causes a ruccus to get him fired.

/Going to be a cop and I think the blue line needs to be weaken by quite a bit.


Thanks for your service. Important work. Do us civilians a favor and don't let the union corrupt you.
 
2012-07-22 02:40:01 PM  

rappy: sobernutz: rappy: government grounds. One day, a visitor found a small box hidden in the bushes, which contained three joints. So, naturally, I called th

We caught a guy stealing, once inside of the office the dude dumps some needles and his stash into the trash can. We told the cops about it when they showed up to take him away. Their reply was MEH!!! Didn't see it happen, didn't occur.

I'm guessing you didn't mean to quote me on that since I didn't say that.

That was the point I was trying to make, cops aren't hiding in the bushes waiting for someone to throw away a couple of joints they found.


No, quote fail. I meant to quote the guy calling you out cause you called the fuzz.
 
2012-07-22 02:44:25 PM  
i31.photobucket.com
 
2012-07-22 02:48:42 PM  
Dang, what does it take to get fired...does this guy think he's a teacher?
 
2012-07-22 02:52:27 PM  

krackpipe: elkraf: Give him another chance. There is no other job that he could handle. I don't want to see him on welfare.

I give some credit to their department there. Many department's culture's would have informed the officer of the report from that security guard and the security guard's life would thereafter have become very interesting. The apparent problem in San Antonio is it appears their police union is so powerful (as in many cities) that they can overcome any consequence the department issues on an officer.

Unions are great, but they need some sort of hybrid union for police, given they are not regular office workers or laborers, but have the ability to order us around, surveil, harrass, handcuff, tase, even kill us.


The unions being strong is usually the city's fault.

If you want to look at why cops tend to become asses, it's because they have to work with (or worse still, under) mega-asses like these.
 
2012-07-22 02:52:46 PM  

rappy: sobernutz: rappy: government grounds. One day, a visitor found a small box hidden in the bushes, which contained three joints. So, naturally, I called th

We caught a guy stealing, once inside of the office the dude dumps some needles and his stash into the trash can. We told the cops about it when they showed up to take him away. Their reply was MEH!!! Didn't see it happen, didn't occur.

I'm guessing you didn't mean to quote me on that since I didn't say that.

That was the point I was trying to make, cops aren't hiding in the bushes waiting for someone to throw away a couple of joints they found.


Except that he didn't find them. They were turned into him by somebody else. I suppose you would think that if he just pocketed any wallets or property that was turned in too would be just fine. If somebody turns in illegal drugs to somebody and they "just disappear" from the system, what do you think people are going to think happened to them?
 
2012-07-22 02:55:34 PM  
Off-duty officers aren't supposed to get so drunk that they are unfit to report to work.

Ever? Doan want to work there. Or don't want even slightly drunk officers working.
 
2012-07-22 02:55:48 PM  
fixingfilms.files.wordpress.com
 
2012-07-22 02:58:55 PM  

Benjimin_Dover: rappy: sobernutz: rappy: government grounds. One day, a visitor found a small box hidden in the bushes, which contained three joints. So, naturally, I called th

We caught a guy stealing, once inside of the office the dude dumps some needles and his stash into the trash can. We told the cops about it when they showed up to take him away. Their reply was MEH!!! Didn't see it happen, didn't occur.

I'm guessing you didn't mean to quote me on that since I didn't say that.

That was the point I was trying to make, cops aren't hiding in the bushes waiting for someone to throw away a couple of joints they found.

Except that he didn't find them. They were turned into him by somebody else. I suppose you would think that if he just pocketed any wallets or property that was turned in too would be just fine. If somebody turns in illegal drugs to somebody and they "just disappear" from the system, what do you think people are going to think happened to them?


Goddamn people, it was 3 joints. "OMFG illegal drugs!" Idiots, and obviously in some BF flyover state.
He's an asshole because he was pissed that his time was wasted with this? NO. The caller should have been cited for being lame and had his car impounded.
 
2012-07-22 03:01:12 PM  

sobernutz: rappy: sobernutz: rappy: government grounds. One day, a visitor found a small box hidden in the bushes, which contained three joints. So, naturally, I called th

We caught a guy stealing, once inside of the office the dude dumps some needles and his stash into the trash can. We told the cops about it when they showed up to take him away. Their reply was MEH!!! Didn't see it happen, didn't occur.

I'm guessing you didn't mean to quote me on that since I didn't say that.

That was the point I was trying to make, cops aren't hiding in the bushes waiting for someone to throw away a couple of joints they found.

No, quote fail. I meant to quote the guy calling you out cause you called the fuzz.


I think you're confused haha.

I called him out for calling the cops. You did quote me, but you quoted what the other guy said and not what I said.
 
2012-07-22 03:04:50 PM  

Benjimin_Dover: rappy: sobernutz: rappy: government grounds. One day, a visitor found a small box hidden in the bushes, which contained three joints. So, naturally, I called th

We caught a guy stealing, once inside of the office the dude dumps some needles and his stash into the trash can. We told the cops about it when they showed up to take him away. Their reply was MEH!!! Didn't see it happen, didn't occur.

I'm guessing you didn't mean to quote me on that since I didn't say that.

That was the point I was trying to make, cops aren't hiding in the bushes waiting for someone to throw away a couple of joints they found.

Except that he didn't find them. They were turned into him by somebody else. I suppose you would think that if he just pocketed any wallets or property that was turned in too would be just fine. If somebody turns in illegal drugs to somebody and they "just disappear" from the system, what do you think people are going to think happened to them?


My point is when someone turned them into him, he could have tossed them into the garbage can, because, as I said, cops aren't waiting in bushes for someone to throw a few joints away.

You can't compare joints to a wallet, that's just absurd. Are you going to return the joints to the original owner as you would a wallet? No, you're going to throw them away.

Someone found it, said hey I found this, so the guy decided to call the cops and waste their time instead of tossing them into the trash. I don't know what "system" you think this is entered into.
 
2012-07-22 03:04:55 PM  

rappy: sobernutz: rappy: sobernutz: rappy: government grounds. One day, a visitor found a small box hidden in the bushes, which contained three joints. So, naturally, I called th

We caught a guy stealing, once inside of the office the dude dumps some needles and his stash into the trash can. We told the cops about it when they showed up to take him away. Their reply was MEH!!! Didn't see it happen, didn't occur.

I'm guessing you didn't mean to quote me on that since I didn't say that.

That was the point I was trying to make, cops aren't hiding in the bushes waiting for someone to throw away a couple of joints they found.

No, quote fail. I meant to quote the guy calling you out cause you called the fuzz.

I think you're confused haha.

I called him out for calling the cops. You did quote me, but you quoted what the other guy said and not what I said.


Yep. Getting drunk. All the buttons look alike.
 
2012-07-22 03:05:22 PM  

krackpipe: thatboyoverthere: Something tells me that the chief wanted to fire his ass years ago but can't due to political pressure. And he can't have him on the streets for obvious reasons. So what he did instead was to keep him suspended until he could fire him or someone hears about and it causes a ruccus to get him fired.

/Going to be a cop and I think the blue line needs to be weaken by quite a bit.

Thanks for your service. Important work. Do us civilians a favor and don't let the union corrupt you.


I'll try. The problem I can see is that I either become complacent or burn so many bridges my career becomes dead end. I hope I can play the politics game while staying true.
 
2012-07-22 03:06:29 PM  
Done in one.
 
2012-07-22 03:12:37 PM  

The Jami Turman Fan Club: krackpipe: elkraf: Give him another chance. There is no other job that he could handle. I don't want to see him on welfare.

I give some credit to their department there. Many department's culture's would have informed the officer of the report from that security guard and the security guard's life would thereafter have become very interesting. The apparent problem in San Antonio is it appears their police union is so powerful (as in many cities) that they can overcome any consequence the department issues on an officer.

Unions are great, but they need some sort of hybrid union for police, given they are not regular office workers or laborers, but have the ability to order us around, surveil, harrass, handcuff, tase, even kill us.

The unions being strong is usually the city's fault.

If you want to look at why cops tend to become asses, it's because they have to work with (or worse still, under) mega-asses like these.


Are you saying that the cities don't support the cops, so the cops don't support the public, and the union then becomes their only friend or some such? Help us to understand your line of thought here, if you have a minute.
 
2012-07-22 03:25:26 PM  

krackpipe: The Jami Turman Fan Club: krackpipe: elkraf: Give him another chance. There is no other job that he could handle. I don't want to see him on welfare.

I give some credit to their department there. Many department's culture's would have informed the officer of the report from that security guard and the security guard's life would thereafter have become very interesting. The apparent problem in San Antonio is it appears their police union is so powerful (as in many cities) that they can overcome any consequence the department issues on an officer.

Unions are great, but they need some sort of hybrid union for police, given they are not regular office workers or laborers, but have the ability to order us around, surveil, harrass, handcuff, tase, even kill us.

The unions being strong is usually the city's fault.

If you want to look at why cops tend to become asses, it's because they have to work with (or worse still, under) mega-asses like these.

Are you saying that the cities don't support the cops, so the cops don't support the public, and the union then becomes their only friend or some such? Help us to understand your line of thought here, if you have a minute.


I think what he's getting at is that cops tend to become asses because they're venting their frustration over having to work with jack-offs that only have their jobs there because the union won't let them get booted.
 
2012-07-22 03:26:08 PM  

thatboyoverthere: krackpipe: thatboyoverthere: Something tells me that the chief wanted to fire his ass years ago but can't due to political pressure. And he can't have him on the streets for obvious reasons. So what he did instead was to keep him suspended until he could fire him or someone hears about and it causes a ruccus to get him fired.

/Going to be a cop and I think the blue line needs to be weaken by quite a bit.

Thanks for your service. Important work. Do us civilians a favor and don't let the union corrupt you.

I'll try. The problem I can see is that I either become complacent or burn so many bridges my career becomes dead end. I hope I can play the politics game while staying true.


Noted. Stay safe out there, first and foremost. When I was doing AJ back in the 90's, I read some story about a big NYPD cop that sang in his off-duty time. One night, he and his partner pulled-up to an altercation and could have gone in cracking heads or whatever. Instead he got out of his cruiser and just began singing opera in baritone. Supposedly stopped the fight immediately. Maybe you'll be that creative.
 
2012-07-22 03:52:31 PM  

rappy: Someone found it, said hey I found this, so the guy decided to call the cops and waste their time instead of tossing them into the trash. I don't know what "system" you think this is entered into.


Just at a guess, a security log? You know, listing the events of your shift? Like most places have?
Just a guess.
 
2012-07-22 04:07:25 PM  

chud21: rappy: Someone found it, said hey I found this, so the guy decided to call the cops and waste their time instead of tossing them into the trash. I don't know what "system" you think this is entered into.

Just at a guess, a security log? You know, listing the events of your shift? Like most places have?
Just a guess.


I missed that he was in security, you're a little redundant though
 
2012-07-22 04:16:08 PM  
Hijacking this back to the article, wasn't this a TV show back in the 80's on Wednesday nights at 7?

I think it was, but I can't remember if it was one of those "action" cop shows or if it was one of those "comedy" cop TV shows.
 
2012-07-22 04:25:03 PM  
Sheriff Joe has this guy in mind for Maricopa County's next senior officer vacancy.
 
2012-07-22 04:26:22 PM  

CruiserTwelve: namatad: Just one rotten cop making the 1% look bad.

This guy gets disciplined repeatedly and finally fired for being a jerk, and you still use it as a criticism of police in general?


You said it yourself: "Finally fired". Why did it take so long? Is there a limit? I am under the impression this guy "Finally" pissed someone off who had friends in higher places. Corruption at it's finest.
 
2012-07-22 04:27:52 PM  
CruiserTwelve

namatad: Just one rotten cop making the 1% look bad.

This guy gets disciplined repeatedly a pass on multiple threats and acts of violence that would put one of us "normal folks" in prison and finally fired for being a jerk insulting a fellow blue line fellon, and you still use it as a criticism of police in general?


Why yes, now that it's fixed, that's it exactly. Especially when you stack upon that the fact that his fellow felons in blue keep fighting to ensure he hasn't been punished earlier. See, there's no good cops, there are those that commit the crimes, those that collude.

Threats = Ok
Harassment of an officer of the court = Ok
Violence against women = Ok
Call a cop working as a rent a pig, a naughty word, well that's your a$$.
 
2012-07-22 04:30:23 PM  

CruiserTwelve: namatad: Just one rotten cop making the 1% look bad.

This guy gets disciplined repeatedly and finally fired for being a jerk, and you still use it as a criticism of police in general?


How many times would YOU expect to be tagged with criminal or unethical or just plain disgraceful behaviour before you lost your job -- not "six month paid suspension", not "suspended pending investigation"? Fired? How many drunken wife-beating incidents? How many brutality claims on which your dept had to pay out settlements? How many racist rants against coworkers?

If you say "one" or perhaps "two", then you are not a cop.

If you say "14 or 15 seems reasonable" then you probably are a cop.
 
2012-07-22 04:35:59 PM  
And just why wasn't his sorry ass booted out the door after the first infraction.
 
2012-07-22 04:37:55 PM  

snake_beater: krackpipe: The Jami Turman Fan Club: krackpipe: elkraf: Give him another chance. There is no other job that he could handle. I don't want to see him on welfare.

I give some credit to their department there. Many department's culture's would have informed the officer of the report from that security guard and the security guard's life would thereafter have become very interesting. The apparent problem in San Antonio is it appears their police union is so powerful (as in many cities) that they can overcome any consequence the department issues on an officer.

Unions are great, but they need some sort of hybrid union for police, given they are not regular office workers or laborers, but have the ability to order us around, surveil, harrass, handcuff, tase, even kill us.

The unions being strong is usually the city's fault.

If you want to look at why cops tend to become asses, it's because they have to work with (or worse still, under) mega-asses like these.

Are you saying that the cities don't support the cops, so the cops don't support the public, and the union then becomes their only friend or some such? Help us to understand your line of thought here, if you have a minute.

I think what he's getting at is that cops tend to become asses because they're venting their frustration over having to work with jack-offs that only have their jobs there because the union won't let them get booted.


That's half of them. The others slack off because they see they won't be punished for it.

It's damn tough to have coworkers who get away with everything, regardless of occupation.
 
2012-07-22 05:00:41 PM  
"he fired him Sept. 9, 2010, for initially lying during an internal investigation into claims by his then-girlfriend that he hit her in the face. Rakun said the story wasn't as it seemed."

and this time

"Rakun was unavailable for comment. His lawyer, Karl Brehm, said the summary of events wasn't as clear as it might seem."

What a misunderstood man.....

/those who would be your protector on some level see themselves as your master
 
2012-07-22 05:13:00 PM  
Lot of people here thinking he's been fired.

"the beleaguered veteran received the department's harshest punishment [indefinite suspension], tantamount to being fired, for the third time."

Notice this is the third time they've 'not fired' him. The case is on appeal (again). He'll probably be back on appeal and get his back pay like before. Thanks, Police Union.
 
2012-07-22 05:13:23 PM  

meow said the dog: After he make a false arrest?

/I am not the one who has done the submission of this...


Hi, meow, I thought you were over in Colorado, telling us the mentally crazy should not be having the guns of us!

Really, the headline ripped you off, you should sue somebody.
 
2012-07-22 05:28:03 PM  

krackpipe: thatboyoverthere: krackpipe: thatboyoverthere: Something tells me that the chief wanted to fire his ass years ago but can't due to political pressure. And he can't have him on the streets for obvious reasons. So what he did instead was to keep him suspended until he could fire him or someone hears about and it causes a ruccus to get him fired.

/Going to be a cop and I think the blue line needs to be weaken by quite a bit.

Thanks for your service. Important work. Do us civilians a favor and don't let the union corrupt you.

I'll try. The problem I can see is that I either become complacent or burn so many bridges my career becomes dead end. I hope I can play the politics game while staying true.

Noted. Stay safe out there, first and foremost. When I was doing AJ back in the 90's, I read some story about a big NYPD cop that sang in his off-duty time. One night, he and his partner pulled-up to an altercation and could have gone in cracking heads or whatever. Instead he got out of his cruiser and just began singing opera in baritone. Supposedly stopped the fight immediately. Maybe you'll be that creative.


My main problem would be to not break down laughing when a person is freaking out. I've had experience with freaks out as my brother is autistic.
 
2012-07-22 05:45:17 PM  

lilplatinum: Yes, any normal employee would be fired long before 15 disciplinary actions were given.

fark police.


Looks to me like his superior officer has tried to get rid of the guy, but the guy has repeatedly found ways to fight it. Looks to me like he has repeatedly used lawsuits, settlements, and other tactics to get suspensions thrown out, his position reinstated, and to (temporarily) get the city off his back. I learned this by RTFA.

TFA doesn't mention if his union was involved in protecting his job, and if so to what extent, but it does make clear that this has been an ongoing struggle between this cop and the city. They've clearly wanted to get rid of him but haven't been able to make it stick.
 
2012-07-22 06:03:58 PM  

shoegaze99: Looks to me like his superior officer has tried to get rid of the guy, but the guy has repeatedly found ways to fight it. Looks to me like he has repeatedly used lawsuits, settlements, and other tactics to get suspensions thrown out, his position reinstated, and to (temporarily) get the city off his back. I learned this by RTFA.

TFA doesn't mention if his union was involved in protecting his job, and if so to what extent, but it does make clear that this has been an ongoing struggle between this cop and the city. They've clearly wanted to get rid of him but haven't been able to make it stick.


Wow. Someone actually read the article and applied some logic to it.

I'm an idiot for posting in this thread. I know that logic doesn't exist in these threads.

I don't support this cop in any way. It sounds like he's been a pain in the ass to his agency for a long time, and they've tried repeatedly to get rid of him but he uses every legal tactic at his disposal to prevent this. I don't know how his agency's disciplinary system works, but it obviously isn't working well.

I see this as an indictment of one lousy cop that is managing to play the system to the point of abuse. It's not an indictment of police in general. I'm betting every cop that has ever met him has wanted him gone. People like him are usually awful supervisors as well as being awful cops.
 
2012-07-22 06:21:10 PM  
my god, this guy is like the Billy Martin of police.

He is an extreme example of a well known problem in public employment in general, and police in particular- civil service makes it nearly impossible to fire people, and if you do fire them and the civil service people uphold the firing, the courts may still find a reason to reinstate them. And that is before you even get to having to deal with the union.
 
2012-07-22 06:22:56 PM  

CruiserTwelve: shoegaze99: Looks to me like his superior officer has tried to get rid of the guy, but the guy has repeatedly found ways to fight it. Looks to me like he has repeatedly used lawsuits, settlements, and other tactics to get suspensions thrown out, his position reinstated, and to (temporarily) get the city off his back. I learned this by RTFA.

TFA doesn't mention if his union was involved in protecting his job, and if so to what extent, but it does make clear that this has been an ongoing struggle between this cop and the city. They've clearly wanted to get rid of him but haven't been able to make it stick.

Wow. Someone actually read the article and applied some logic to it.

I'm an idiot for posting in this thread. I know that logic doesn't exist in these threads.

I don't support this cop in any way. It sounds like he's been a pain in the ass to his agency for a long time, and they've tried repeatedly to get rid of him but he uses every legal tactic at his disposal to prevent this. I don't know how his agency's disciplinary system works, but it obviously isn't working well.

I see this as an indictment of one lousy cop that is managing to play the system to the point of abuse. It's not an indictment of police in general. I'm betting every cop that has ever met him has wanted him gone. People like him are usually awful supervisors as well as being awful cops.


Answer me this. If most of the good guy's were trying to get rid of him this whole time how in the hell did he get promoted during this tenure. BTW.. most people cannot be suspended from their jobs fifteen times and still keep them, get promoted, back pay etc... etc...

Even if this was possible in other professions they do not carry guns and have the ability to destroy peoples lives at their whim.

You and your ilk should be held to the highest standard not the lowest possible standard any union lackey can come up with.

I ask again. How do you not get this?
 
2012-07-22 06:32:53 PM  
They tried to fire this asshole before, and he sued over it, then settled.

Details
 
2012-07-22 06:43:54 PM  

mama's_tasty_foods: my god, this guy is like the Billy Martin of police.

He is an extreme example of a well known problem in public employment in general, and police in particular- civil service makes it nearly impossible to fire people, and if you do fire them and the civil service people uphold the firing, the courts may still find a reason to reinstate them. And that is before you even get to having to deal with the union.


And the worse part is you can't even give him the shiat jobs because he'd fark those up. I can see him on traffic duty and pulling a driver out of a car and beating them. I'm honestly surprised that he wasn't been fragged yet as he doesn't even pay lip service to the thin blue line.
 
2012-07-22 07:35:47 PM  

mopar1956: CruiserTwelve: shoegaze99: Looks to me like his superior officer has tried to get rid of the guy, but the guy has repeatedly found ways to fight it. Looks to me like he has repeatedly used lawsuits, settlements, and other tactics to get suspensions thrown out, his position reinstated, and to (temporarily) get the city off his back. I learned this by RTFA.

TFA doesn't mention if his union was involved in protecting his job, and if so to what extent, but it does make clear that this has been an ongoing struggle between this cop and the city. They've clearly wanted to get rid of him but haven't been able to make it stick.

Wow. Someone actually read the article and applied some logic to it.

I'm an idiot for posting in this thread. I know that logic doesn't exist in these threads.

I don't support this cop in any way. It sounds like he's been a pain in the ass to his agency for a long time, and they've tried repeatedly to get rid of him but he uses every legal tactic at his disposal to prevent this. I don't know how his agency's disciplinary system works, but it obviously isn't working well.

I see this as an indictment of one lousy cop that is managing to play the system to the point of abuse. It's not an indictment of police in general. I'm betting every cop that has ever met him has wanted him gone. People like him are usually awful supervisors as well as being awful cops.

Answer me this. If most of the good guy's were trying to get rid of him this whole time how in the hell did he get promoted during this tenure. BTW.. most people cannot be suspended from their jobs fifteen times and still keep them, get promoted, back pay etc... etc...

Even if this was possible in other professions they do not carry guns and have the ability to destroy peoples lives at their whim.

You and your ilk should be held to the highest standard not the lowest possible standard any union lackey can come up with.

I ask again. How do you not get this?


To defend Cruiser so he doesn't have to do it himself--that's what unions are for. Public service unions, like police and teachers, are put in the terrible position of having to ensure ALL their members are afforded due process. The good and the bad, the heroes and the thugs. In "other professions" as you say, which don't have union protection, sure, a douchebag can be fired at will; it was rampant firings for no cause that led to union formation in the first place. It was to get ALL members protection from wanton firings.

I guarantee you, the police union in this case isn't congratulating themselves, giving each other high-fives: "Yeah! We kept this freak on the force for 18 years and boy, did we stick it to the brass!" Just as teachers' unions are not overjoyed about protecting rotten teachers, police unions are not happy about protecting rogue cops. But that is why there are unions, and why members pay dues, often quite exorbitant ones.

That is why jobs want union protection. AND why people without such protection can be held to those higher standards, and summarily terminated if they don't meet them. You join a union--police or Teamsters--because you DON'T WANT to be fired at your bosses' whims, and you WANT them to be required to give you due process. Sadly, this means that bad cops and bad teachers and bad truck drivers can be retained on the job while they wait out the process...but that's what's needed to keep the GOOD cops, teachers and drivers on the job.
 
2012-07-22 07:41:52 PM  
A cop's first rule- Do not shoot, arrest or rat on another cop.
Second rule: Expect other cops to obey rule one.
 
2012-07-22 07:56:52 PM  

mopar1956: You and your ilk should be held to the highest standard not the lowest possible standard any union lackey can come up with.

I ask again. How do you not get this?


Why Gryfalcon said. Having been a board member of a police union, I can tell you that what he said is spot on. We existed to protect our member's rights by ensuring the rules were fairly and properly applied. There were a number of times that cops would deserve punishment, but the city would screw things up so bad they didn't get what they deserved. In one investigation we actually secretly told the city what they did wrong and how to fix it because the cop deserved what they gave him and we didn't want to see it overturned.

This cop apparently took advantage of weaknesses in the city's discipline system. Again, I'm guessing the other cops hated the guy and are happy to see him finally go.

This guy's story should tell you that his type are the exception and not the rule. How many other cops do you see that have been disciplined repeatedly and terminated after 19 years on the job? His is a rare case. Most cops go through their entire careers without being disciplined, at least not for the serious stuff he was disciplined for.
 
2012-07-22 08:23:30 PM  

CruiserTwelve: This guy's story should tell you that his type are the exception and not the rule. How many other cops do you see that have been disciplined repeatedly and terminated after 19 years on the job? His is a rare case. Most cops go through their entire careers without being disciplined, at least not for the serious stuff he was disciplined for.


Information wasn't available on how many officers might match Rakun's record of disciplinary actions, but union president Mike Helle said, anecdotally, Rakun could be among the top five.

"could" be among the top five. Of those represented by this one union.
 
2012-07-22 08:23:37 PM  

CruiserTwelve: mopar1956: You and your ilk should be held to the highest standard not the lowest possible standard any union lackey can come up with.

I ask again. How do you not get this?

Why Gryfalcon said. Having been a board member of a police union, I can tell you that what he said is spot on. We existed to protect our member's rights by ensuring the rules were fairly and properly applied. There were a number of times that cops would deserve punishment, but the city would screw things up so bad they didn't get what they deserved. In one investigation we actually secretly told the city what they did wrong and how to fix it because the cop deserved what they gave him and we didn't want to see it overturned.

This cop apparently took advantage of weaknesses in the city's discipline system. Again, I'm guessing the other cops hated the guy and are happy to see him finally go.

This guy's story should tell you that his type are the exception and not the rule. How many other cops do you see that have been disciplined repeatedly and terminated after 19 years on the job? His is a rare case. Most cops go through their entire careers without being disciplined, at least not for the serious stuff he was disciplined for.


Thanks for the response.

I just don't think you can compare a bad teacher with a bad cop. A bad teacher = your kid may need summer school, a bad cop = dead people, falsely imprisoned and destroyed lives.

What still bothers me about this is how he somehow became a lieutenant during this time if he was an outcast and a bad apple how did he reach such a high position?

I believe police should not have the same blanket coverage of unions and job protection. If you choose a profession with such high responsibility sometimes screwing up once should cost you your job.

Just a thought from another citizen.
 
2012-07-22 08:33:56 PM  

rappy: Just at a guess, a security log? You know, listing the events of your shift? Like most places have?
Just a guess.

I missed that he was in security, you're a little redundant though


Yeah, security log. I can promise you that if A) I logged that someone gave me some joints and I threw them away or B) I logged nothing and it came up later that 'Someone gave Officer Submitted First some joints and he didn't mention that anywhere,' that it would come back to me. And as much as my job is joke to the word security (mostly I make sure doors are locked, etc), the institution I work for would not be thrilled.

So yeah, someone whose job it is to handle this sort of thing can deal with the stupid drugs.
 
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