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(Major League Baseball)   The Question: Is Jason Varitek a Hall of Famer? The Answer: Hahahahahahahahaha *breathe* Hahahahahahahahaha   (mlb.com) divider line 90
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2012-07-22 12:16:06 PM
chris osgood thinks he should get in
 
2012-07-22 12:16:53 PM
Short answer: no.

Long answer: fark no.

The Red Sox should honor him for his contribution to their franchise, but even mentioning Cooperstown is laughable.
 
2012-07-22 12:18:43 PM
I am a die hard Red Sox fan. My top three favorite Sox of all time are Tek, Trot Nixon, and Mike Greenwell.

There is no way that Tek is a HOFer. Yes, he caught 4 no hitters and improved every pitching staff he worked with. Plus he punched A-Roid in the mouth. But he doesn't deserve the HOF.
 
2012-07-22 12:23:23 PM

Coffee Snob: Plus he punched A-Roid in the mouth.


First ballot hall of famer based on that alone.
 
2012-07-22 12:26:05 PM
No. But he's a player from the 'roid era who probably wasn't juicing, so he gets discussed. And Boston.
 
2012-07-22 12:28:04 PM
Typical Boston / nyc reaction. Giants fans deny it now because of how spectacularly his post-nfl life and career unraveled, but they argued tiki barber's canton chances not in terms of "if", but whether he was first ballot material.
 
2012-07-22 12:28:15 PM

Yanks_RSJ: The Red Sox should honor him for his contribution to their franchise


They did, yesterday.
 
2012-07-22 12:34:03 PM

Zulu_as_Kono: Yanks_RSJ: The Red Sox should honor him for his contribution to their franchise

They did, yesterday.


Well, that should be the end of it, then. The HOF conversation is ludicrous.

rickythepenguin: Typical Boston / nyc reaction. Giants fans deny it now because of how spectacularly his post-nfl life and career unraveled, but they argued tiki barber's canton chances not in terms of "if", but whether he was first ballot material.


I've seen you post this remark a number of times, and I'm yet to understand why it's so important to you to do so. Barber at least has a couple of bold numbers on his reference page, Varitek has zero, except in the unseen "grittiness" category. They should give him a statue in Boston made of sandpaper and gravel, commemorating his well-protected assault on A-Rod that Sox fans hold so close to their collective hearts.
 
2012-07-22 12:35:49 PM
He's a slam-dunk, first ballot inductee into the Hall of Nowhere Near a HOFer But He Was Pretty Damn Good For A While. They can put his plaque right between those of David Justice and Mark Grace.
 
2012-07-22 12:36:40 PM
LOL, you think he punched Alex Rodriguez in the mouth. That was more like a face wash with a glove then a punch. You want to see a real punch, catch some footage of Red Sox/Yankees brawls from the 1970s, when they were more akin to bar fights. Didn't Lou Piniella sucker-punch Bill Lee in the face during one of those battle royales? Pretty sure Thurman Munson body-slammed Carlton Fisk onto home plate once, too.

Coffee Snob: I am a die hard Red Sox fan. My top three favorite Sox of all time are Tek, Trot Nixon, and Mike Greenwell.


When did you become a Red Sox fan.....2004? That would be like a Yankees fan saying their favorite all-time Yankees were David Wells, Chuck Knoblauch, and Scott Brosius. That's just farking hysterical, right there. I hate the Red Sox, but the players they've had on their team that I actually had respect for were Nomar, Tim Wakefield, and Mo Vaughn. You know, non-assholes. Shiat, you could have said Roger Clemens, and I would at least have said, "Well yeah, he was damn good when he pitched for them."
 
2012-07-22 12:37:12 PM
I highly endorse the Hall of Fame induction of my good friend and great teammate, Jason "Jason Varitek" Varitek.
 
2012-07-22 12:37:44 PM
Maybe he'll get a mention on Scott Boras's plaque.
 
2012-07-22 12:39:37 PM

Yanks_RSJ: Zulu_as_Kono: Yanks_RSJ: The Red Sox should honor him for his contribution to their franchise

They did, yesterday.

Well, that should be the end of it, then. The HOF conversation is ludicrous.

rickythepenguin: Typical Boston / nyc reaction. Giants fans deny it now because of how spectacularly his post-nfl life and career unraveled, but they argued tiki barber's canton chances not in terms of "if", but whether he was first ballot material.

I've seen you post this remark a number of times, and I'm yet to understand why it's so important to you to do so. Barber at least has a couple of bold numbers on his reference page, Varitek has zero, except in the unseen "grittiness" category. They should give him a statue in Boston made of sandpaper and gravel, commemorating his well-protected assault on A-Rod that Sox fans hold so close to their collective hearts.


Well protected assault of Arod? Does it make your pussy hurt every time it's brought up? Arod is a biatch, as evidenced by his glove slap at first base, his "got it" bullshiat behind third, and his pathetic excuses for popping positive on PED tests.
 
2012-07-22 12:40:49 PM
If 'Tek is an HOF'er, then what does that make Jorge Posada? A first ballot, near unanimous selection?
 
2012-07-22 12:42:56 PM

Coffee Snob: Well protected assault of Arod? Does it make your pussy hurt every time it's brought up?


What a mature response, tough guy. I'm just just thinking about incident makes yours wet as can be.
 
2012-07-22 12:43:30 PM
Not even close.
 
2012-07-22 12:46:03 PM

Yanks_RSJ: Short answer: no.

Long answer: fark no.

The Red Sox should honor him for his contribution to their franchise, but even mentioning Cooperstown is laughable.


It's actually not as laughable as you think, for the simple reason that he's a catcher. His numbers are within range of most of the numbers of catchers already in the Hall. He's around average for doubles, home runs, slugging & OPS, and there is a HOF catcher that can claim less than him in every other category that had more plate appearances than him. Not that he's completely Hall-worthy, mind you.

If anything, he's an argument for an overhaul of the current Hall. If his numbers are comparatively Hall-worthy, then maybe there should be some sort of strata to it - something along the line of "HOFer," "HOFer with Honors," "HOFer with High Honors." People like Ruth, Cobb, Young, etc. would be the highest honors, people like McCovey, Schmidt, Greenburg, Koufax could be with honors, people like Sutton, Rice, and all those horrible Veterans Committee picks from the 40s would be just in the Hall.

I think it would also open up the door to a reevaluation process of certain players - the Garveys, Ceys and Kaats of the world, for example. It's not like the Hall has ever put out actual practical guidelines to who should be in the hall.
 
2012-07-22 12:49:40 PM

Rex_Banner: If 'Tek is an HOF'er, then what does that make Jorge Posada? A first ballot, near unanimous selection?


Yeah.. I'm firmly in the "should be nominated, but probably won't ever get elected" camp in regards to Posada (Pettitte too), but if Tek is even being discussed, then Posada should be a lock.

/does Pudge get in?
 
2012-07-22 12:49:40 PM
This might be thread-jacking, but I'm going to ask anyway.

Who do farkers and farkettes thinks is HOF material, but isn't in?
My pick among others Frank White 2b KC. 8 time gold glove winner
 
2012-07-22 12:54:18 PM

Rex_Banner: If 'Tek is an HOF'er, then what does that make Jorge Posada? A first ballot, near unanimous selection?


We're going to need a laser to burn his face on the moon.
 
2012-07-22 12:55:14 PM

Rex_Banner: If 'Tek is an HOF'er, then what does that make Jorge Posada? A first ballot, near unanimous selection?


Honestly, from a point of view of catchers, just about. He's got a better OPS than Fisk, Bench or Gary Carter, the three modern catchers in the Hall, has more homers than Carter & Fisk, and his doubles & RBIs are comparable to both Bench & Carter.
 
2012-07-22 12:56:00 PM

FriarReb98: Yanks_RSJ: Short answer: no.

Long answer: fark no.

The Red Sox should honor him for his contribution to their franchise, but even mentioning Cooperstown is laughable.

It's actually not as laughable as you think, for the simple reason that he's a catcher. His numbers are within range of most of the numbers of catchers already in the Hall. He's around average for doubles, home runs, slugging & OPS, and there is a HOF catcher that can claim less than him in every other category that had more plate appearances than him. Not that he's completely Hall-worthy, mind you.

If anything, he's an argument for an overhaul of the current Hall. If his numbers are comparatively Hall-worthy, then maybe there should be some sort of strata to it - something along the line of "HOFer," "HOFer with Honors," "HOFer with High Honors." People like Ruth, Cobb, Young, etc. would be the highest honors, people like McCovey, Schmidt, Greenburg, Koufax could be with honors, people like Sutton, Rice, and all those horrible Veterans Committee picks from the 40s would be just in the Hall.

I think it would also open up the door to a reevaluation process of certain players - the Garveys, Ceys and Kaats of the world, for example. It's not like the Hall has ever put out actual practical guidelines to who should be in the hall.


I wouldn't say it's laughable, but he is in the hall of very damn good. He won't get in, and shouldn't. But, he is a very likeable guy, and a good player for an east coast major market, so it could happen, when hell freezes over.
 
2012-07-22 12:57:30 PM
No one from the steroids era should be considered for the Hall
 
2012-07-22 12:57:55 PM

The Bestest: /does Pudge get in?


More hits than any catcher ever. That's a yes.
 
2012-07-22 12:58:44 PM

Mid_mo_mad_man: This might be thread-jacking, but I'm going to ask anyway.

Who do farkers and farkettes thinks is HOF material, but isn't in?
My pick among others Frank White 2b KC. 8 time gold glove winner


Pete Rose.

As for Varitek, he's one of my favorite Red Sox players, but I don't see him in the Hall. What I would like to see is him hired as a pitching coach by the team. He had an excellent rapport with the pitchers and was able to get generally good performances out of them.
 
2012-07-22 12:59:17 PM

Lost Thought 00: No one from the steroids era should be considered for the Hall


You can't do that. The Hall is a museum and has to acknowledge the era and that people played in it..
 
2012-07-22 01:00:00 PM
It would be an interesting experiment for ESPN to see how much chum they can put in the water by pimping the candidacy of a guy like 'Tek and how effective it could be. I know the cries for Tim Raines from Jonah Keri are fairly loud but he came by it as a fan first. It might generate another income source for them if borderline Hall of Famers in other sports would just pay them to pump up their candidacies.
 
2012-07-22 01:01:04 PM

The Bestest: Lost Thought 00: No one from the steroids era should be considered for the Hall

You can't do that. The Hall is a museum and has to acknowledge the era and that people played in it..


MLB has established via the Pete Rose decision that the Hall is a reward, not a historical record
 
2012-07-22 01:01:36 PM

Mid_mo_mad_man: My pick among others Frank White 2b KC. 8 time gold glove winner


Barely having 2000 hits, .250 ba, andsub-.700 OPS says no. Willie Wilson was better, but since he was an outfielder his stats aren't good enough for outfielders.
 
2012-07-22 01:02:14 PM
FTFA: The raw numbers -- .256 average over 15 seasons, 1,307 hits, 193 home runs -- may not scream Hall of Famer. Perhaps neither do his three All-Star appearances, one Silver Slugger Award and one Gold Glove.

Yeah, he's in the Hall of Good, at best.

He'll drop off the ballot within five years.
 
2012-07-22 01:03:33 PM
Uh, no.
 
2012-07-22 01:04:14 PM
He deserves to be there if his most similar comparable players are there...

Ramon Hernandez (912)
Del Crandall (909)
Terry Steinbach (904)
Sherm Lollar (903)
Bill Freehan (889)
Darrell Porter (882)
Walker Cooper (882)
A.J. Pierzynski (875)
Frankie Hayes (861)
Mike Lieberthal (861)

Appears to be a no.
 
2012-07-22 01:05:05 PM

FriarReb98: The Bestest: /does Pudge get in?

More hits than any catcher ever. That's a yes.


Even though it seems obvious that he juiced in 1998 and 1999, I think the rest of his career is good enough for the HoF. He'll probably have to wait a couple years though.
 
2012-07-22 01:06:15 PM

Ken VeryBigLiar: I know the cries for Tim Raines from Jonah Keri are fairly loud but he came by it as a fan first.


Raines is hurt by a long career on bad teams. Even if he has 800 career steals, it's not enough in this day & age of OMGHOMERZ!
 
2012-07-22 01:09:42 PM
If you want a legitimate candidate for catcher for the HoF, Ted Simmons is about a billion times more deserving than Jason Varitek.
 
2012-07-22 01:10:04 PM

Coffee Snob: Yanks_RSJ: Zulu_as_Kono: Yanks_RSJ: The Red Sox should honor him for his contribution to their franchise

They did, yesterday.

Well, that should be the end of it, then. The HOF conversation is ludicrous.

rickythepenguin: Typical Boston / nyc reaction. Giants fans deny it now because of how spectacularly his post-nfl life and career unraveled, but they argued tiki barber's canton chances not in terms of "if", but whether he was first ballot material.

I've seen you post this remark a number of times, and I'm yet to understand why it's so important to you to do so. Barber at least has a couple of bold numbers on his reference page, Varitek has zero, except in the unseen "grittiness" category. They should give him a statue in Boston made of sandpaper and gravel, commemorating his well-protected assault on A-Rod that Sox fans hold so close to their collective hearts.

Well protected assault of Arod? Does it make your pussy hurt every time it's brought up? Arod is a biatch, as evidenced by his glove slap at first base, his "got it" bullshiat behind third, and his pathetic excuses for popping positive on PED tests.


Who cares about all that bullshiat? I mean, apparently you do, but aside from you. I could care less if Alex Rodriguez is a first-class asshole or the second coming of Jesus Christ. I don't watch baseball to see saints smack a ball in the air and run around a diamond. I watch it to be entertained. Just like I'd watch a TV show or a movie. Alex is a shiathead, but he's an entertaining shiathead.
 
2012-07-22 01:10:33 PM

Lost Thought 00: No one from the steroids era should be considered for the Hall



I run into ESPN's Pedro Gomez semi-regularly, and the last time we talked, it was right before the MLB vote. he couldn't discuss who he voted for, but I asked about Big Mac and Sosa's chances, and he said he really struggled with putting anyone from the steroid era in.
 
2012-07-22 01:12:15 PM

The Bestest: /does Pudge get in?


He absolutely should get in.

Mid_mo_mad_man: This might be thread-jacking, but I'm going to ask anyway.

Who do farkers and farkettes thinks is HOF material, but isn't in?
My pick among others Frank White 2b KC. 8 time gold glove winner


If I weren't leaving in a few minutes, I'd have a pretty long post on this, but for now I'll just leave it at Tim Raines because GET THIS MAN IN THE DAMN HALL!!!!!

FriarReb98: Ken VeryBigLiar: I know the cries for Tim Raines from Jonah Keri are fairly loud but he came by it as a fan first.

Raines is hurt by a long career on bad teams. Even if he has 800 career steals, it's not enough in this day & age of OMGHOMERZ!


He's also hurt by being an exact contemporary of Rickey Henderson. Everything Raines did well, Rickey did better. The problem is, if the standard for the Hall is "not as good as Rickey Henderson", we're going to need to cut a lot of guys out.
 
2012-07-22 01:15:15 PM

PowerSlacker: If you want a legitimate candidate for catcher for the HoF, Ted Simmons is about a billion times more deserving than Jason Varitek.


and his top comparables?

Miguel Tejada (855)
Alan Trammell (831)
Carlton Fisk (819) *
Joe Torre (818)
Gary Carter (818) *
Lou Whitaker (817)
Barry Larkin (805) *
Yogi Berra (805) *
Joe Cronin (804) *
Ryne Sandberg (791) *

Yeah, he should be in.
 
2012-07-22 01:15:21 PM
If Varitek gets in, I'm going to lobby the Vet Committee so hard to induct Tony Pena retroactively.
 
2012-07-22 01:15:26 PM

PowerSlacker: FTFA: The raw numbers -- .256 average over 15 seasons, 1,307 hits, 193 home runs -- may not scream Hall of Famer. Perhaps neither do his three All-Star appearances, one Silver Slugger Award and one Gold Glove.

Yeah, he's in the Hall of Good, at best.

He'll drop off the ballot within five years.


If anything, they scream "why was this article even written?"
 
2012-07-22 01:16:41 PM

Yanks_RSJ: I've seen you post this remark a number of times, and I'm yet to understand why it's so important to you to do so



yeah, because "undeserving player gets hall of fame chances chirped up by kool-aid drinking fanbase" has no application to Tek's or Barber's chances.

and to clarify, i meant right when he retired, Barber's chances were chripred up. now, in 2012, even his fans say the thought is ridiculous but you can google that shiat and find articles about his chances, circa 2007. before he alienated Giants fans and left his wife and started making cracks about Anne Frank and all that shiat.
 
2012-07-22 01:19:55 PM

PowerSlacker: If you want a legitimate candidate for catcher for the HoF, Ted Simmons is about a billion times more deserving than Jason Varitek.


Thank you. Great point.
 
2012-07-22 01:27:45 PM

Rex_Banner: The problem is, if the standard for the Hall is "not as good as Rickey Henderson", we're going to need to cut a lot of guys out.


See, in general that's a problem that could be handled with my tiered Hall plan. There are plenty of players who were really good for really different reasons who get absolutely crapped on when this conversation gets brought up for one reason or another, usually because despite being Hall-worthy in one respect, their numbers don't bear it out against superhero-level players that are in there. I think expanding the definitions of the Hall would solve that fairly well. While not everyone people want in would get in, it would get a bunch of these types of players in. Conveniently, you could even dis a player from the steroid era by not giving them higher honors despite superhero numbers.

\not that any of this will ever get Rose in the hall, but it's better than the crap we have now
\\reading Cooperstown Confidential will help for anyone who doesn't understand how farked up the voting system is
 
2012-07-22 01:30:02 PM
In no way should he be in The Hall, unless he buys a ticket like the rest of us.

That being said, he'd hardly be the worst player in there.

And PowerSlacker, good call on Ted Simmons. I've always hated him, but it's hard to deny his numbers.

/Cubs fan. Simmons made his mark with the Cardinals and Brewers. Ugh.
 
2012-07-22 01:34:57 PM
I never knew mlb.com to be such a great troll.
 
2012-07-22 01:55:53 PM
Wait. Tek? Seriously?

People were claiming Posada wasn't good enough to get in, and you think TEK should get in? GTFO.
 
2012-07-22 01:57:54 PM
ok then, let's toss another name out there..

Piazza
 
2012-07-22 02:01:18 PM

Mid_mo_mad_man: This might be thread-jacking, but I'm going to ask anyway.

Who do farkers and farkettes thinks is HOF material, but isn't in?
My pick among others Frank White 2b KC. 8 time gold glove winner


Tim Raines. Remove Jim Rice. Done.
 
2012-07-22 02:02:15 PM

animesucks: chris osgood thinks he should get in


Good to see Red Wings Derangement Syndrome carries over into baseball threads.
 
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