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(New York Daily News)   NY Daily News editorial board outraged, I say OUTRAGED that Obama and Romney did NOT freak out and use the Aurora massacre for panicked petty political stumping   (nydailynews.com) divider line 326
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2012-07-23 06:19:26 AM  

Giltric:

I'd agree with the mental eval to determine if somoene was hypothetically willing to take another life based on purchases....as long as you are ok with a mental eval where a person is set on taking another life....like with abortion.


hang on, do we let the nutters have the kid or do we force them to have the abortion.

This argument confuses me
 
2012-07-23 07:05:22 AM  

keithgabryelski: way south:
/Put a few Muslims in London and they start torching the place.

not for nuthin': that's a disgusting thing to say.


But its not untrue, is it?
London sits apart from the usual European chaos and has a relatively stable population. Lots of money, functional leadership system, modern socialisms and everything you should expect from an enlightened first world nation. You'd think life would be simple there but they still have riots over things like immigration issues, and bombings caused by unhappy subjects. They didn't see an end to violence after their knee-jerk gun ban.
That promise turned out to be a lie.

You can move ten times the number of Muslims, Mexicans, Asians or what have you into the US and we barely notice.
Israel sits on the rim of the worlds Anus and has to deal with a large chunk of the population actively hating on its government.
Switzerland decided to pop its tent right next to Europes most violent crossroads and it had to put up with centuries of war.

You look at the worlds last superpower and suggest it would be better if we took apart its system and restructured it in the image of a less successful nation. You should be able to see why many people won't agree to that.
If they don't agree, how do you plan to persuade them?
...by force?
 
2012-07-23 07:24:17 AM  
Twelve killed.

Memorial Day weekend.

Chicago.

*crickets*

Obama hates black people.
 
2012-07-23 08:37:41 AM  

way south: keithgabryelski: way south:
/Put a few Muslims in London and they start torching the place.

not for nuthin': that's a disgusting thing to say.

But its not untrue, is it?
London sits apart from the usual European chaos and has a relatively stable population. Lots of money, functional leadership system, modern socialisms and everything you should expect from an enlightened first world nation. You'd think life would be simple there but they still have riots over things like immigration issues, and bombings caused by unhappy subjects. They didn't see an end to violence after their knee-jerk gun ban.
That promise turned out to be a lie.


Are you saying the Bradford riots happened in London? Or saying that the riots of 2001 (which were in the North) are still happening today?

Or that these riots had ANYTHING to do with gun laws?

cause it sounds like you are...
 
2012-07-23 09:19:24 AM  

thisone: Are you saying the Bradford riots happened in London? Or saying that the riots of 2001 (which were in the North) are still happening today?


Actually I'm implying that quite a few incidents have happened during these last few decades despite the governments implementation of stricter gun control on a populace that was already not big on gun ownership.

In short: Gun control was a charade.
 
2012-07-23 09:30:45 AM  

way south: thisone: Are you saying the Bradford riots happened in London? Or saying that the riots of 2001 (which were in the North) are still happening today?

Actually I'm implying that quite a few incidents have happened during these last few decades despite the governments implementation of stricter gun control on a populace that was already not big on gun ownership.

In short: Gun control was a charade.


That list is more or less bombing plots by the PIRA and RIRA. I don't really know what point you are trying to make here.
 
2012-07-23 09:38:04 AM  
Now it appears that the murderer of Colorado-born American Abdulrahman al-Awlaki is going to Colorado to comfort the victims and their families. Isn't that special.
 
2012-07-23 09:40:40 AM  

Halli: That list is more or less bombing plots by the PIRA and RIRA. I don't really know what point you are trying to make here.


Ahh, my bad.
I forgot that we don't count terrorism as being related to "violence" round these parts.
 
2012-07-23 10:27:39 AM  
Its rather obvious that the terminal crazies like this crave the attention that they get from the news outlets. Their exploits will be on the front page of every newspaper and be on every 24 news channel program for the next week or two.

I think the obvious solution is to make it a federal felony offense to publish/air the name image or rantings of people that do this shiat so that they get no damned attention. They should be given orwellian unperson status. But hey I guess infringing the 1st ammendment is completely out of the question to those who are gung ho about infringing the 2nd.
 
2012-07-23 10:43:58 AM  

way south: Halli: That list is more or less bombing plots by the PIRA and RIRA. I don't really know what point you are trying to make here.

Ahh, my bad.
I forgot that we don't count terrorism as being related to "violence" round these parts.


Well why was there so much violence in that region?

Surely it has to stem from something....maybe the Plantation of Ulster....seizing crops from an entire country....

There seems to be violence against England wherever she tried to meddle.....good for them. Fark the crown.

Sure, the army came to visit me, 'twas in the early hours,
with Saladins and Saracens and Ferret armoured cars.
They thought they had me cornered, but I gave them all a fright
with the armour-piercing bullets of my little armalite.
 
2012-07-23 11:09:40 AM  

RolandGunner: SN1987a goes boom: bigsteve3OOO: Snatch Bandergrip: bigsteve3OOO: Another in the long list of "There is no difference between the two candidates" I mean seriously can anyone show me one difference between Bush 2 and 0bama and Romney? I cant think of one.

Ask Osama bin Laden.

Both tried.

[encrypted-tbn2.google.com image 230x219]


Operation Cannonball. Look it up.


That isn't helping Steve's case much. From what I can see, it was a clusterfark caused at least in part by George diverting resources to Iraq.

Too little, too late.
 
2012-07-23 12:14:06 PM  

way south: keithgabryelski: way south:
/Put a few Muslims in London and they start torching the place.

not for nuthin': that's a disgusting thing to say.

But its not untrue, is it?


Your comment is islamaphobic and pretty disgusting and not discourse I wish to be associated with.

You look at the worlds last superpower and suggest it would be better if we took apart its system and restructured it in the image of a less successful nation. You should be able to see why many people won't agree to that.


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_firearm-related_dea t h_rate

the numbers show england to be much better off.


If they don't agree, how do you plan to persuade them?
...by force?


oh puhlease -- i've said plenty of times that the people have to be convinced it is a good move and this should be done lawfully.
 
2012-07-23 01:01:12 PM  
What really gets me is if you are going to kill someone, how about someone who deserves it? There are many in the news consistently to choose from who are real bastards. Shoot one of them for God's sake.
Doing it randomly screws us all. Doing it with purpose... depending on the target... may be noble.

Damn kids have no common sense. (And some people never grow up.)

/If guns were outlawed, only outlaws would have guns. Ta Da!
 
2012-07-23 01:16:49 PM  

Stoker: What really gets me is if you are going to kill someone, how about someone who deserves it? There are many in the news consistently to choose from who are real bastards. Shoot one of them for God's sake.
Doing it randomly screws us all. Doing it with purpose... depending on the target... may be noble.

Damn kids have no common sense. (And some people never grow up.)

/If guns were outlawed, only outlaws would have guns. Ta Da!


sunflowerstate.files.wordpress.com

this guy thought he was doing just that.
 
2012-07-23 01:54:17 PM  
I'm sorry, who is that guy, and who was his target? (I don't recall seeing his face.)

And BTW, the guy who shot the AZ Congresswoman Gifford, did not seem to have reason either because it sounded like he was just shooting at everyone. Random targets and then finally hitting the person? Or maybe he was too stupid to just aim. Still, I do not know Gifford and she hasn't been such a douche bag to be consistently in the papers for "against the people" mentality. (At least I haven't heard.)

And these are just comments for those lunatics out there who would go shooting at people randomly. Ya know- If you are going to be a freakin' lunatic, at least do something that might actually make people say "well, he had it coming" than what a freaking sick bastard you are. (Just saying.)

No matter what, either way, this will lead to the taking away of our guns.
 
2012-07-23 02:15:10 PM  

keithgabryelski: way south: keithgabryelski: way south:
/Put a few Muslims in London and they start torching the place.

not for nuthin': that's a disgusting thing to say.

But its not untrue, is it?


Your comment is islamaphobic and pretty disgusting and not discourse I wish to be associated with.

You look at the worlds last superpower and suggest it would be better if we took apart its system and restructured it in the image of a less successful nation. You should be able to see why many people won't agree to that.


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_firearm-related_dea t h_rate

the numbers show england to be much better off.


If they don't agree, how do you plan to persuade them?
...by force?

oh puhlease -- i've said plenty of times that the people have to be convinced it is a good move and this should be done lawfully.



What's the split out of "Countries by knife-related deaths?" or "Countries by bomb-related deaths?"

Meaningless statistics are meaningless.
 
2012-07-23 02:30:53 PM  

way south: teeny: Have you ever lost a friend or loved one to a deranged idiot wielding a firearm? Don't you think you should show a little empathy towards those that have (and JUST DID), and STFU? If there are any of you out there in the Aurora, CO area, I'm sure the parents of the dead 6-year-old will invite you to the funeral.

Actually I have lost a friend to gun violence. It sucks, but it didn't change my mind about respecting constitutional rights.
...But don't let that stop you from making a one sided emotional argument to capitalize on someone elses pain for your personal political gain.



I'm not a hardcore advocate for gun control. I just think it takes a special kind of asshole to be all "GUNS ARE AWESOME" right now. But go on...I'm sure you feel very patriotic waving around copies of the constitution with the second amendment highlighted in red, white and blue.
 
2012-07-23 02:52:37 PM  

Gyrfalcon:
What's the split out of "Countries by knife-related deaths?" or "Countries by bomb-related deaths?"

Meaningless statistics are meaningless.


consider this:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_intentional_homicid e _rate
 
2012-07-23 02:58:49 PM  

Stoker: I'm sorry, who is that guy, and who was his target? (I don't recall seeing his face.)


Scott Roeder

he shot and killed Dr. George Tiller for being an abortion doctor.

You position: why don't these shooters kill people we can all agree are bad.

my position: we have enough people who think they can decide that line.
 
2012-07-23 03:14:29 PM  

The Name: StoneColdAtheist: Familiar enough to know that the United States does not operate under European law (ignoring the fact that I've been practically everywhere in western Europe and literally spent years of my life there).

But speaking of "never heard of" something, you seem to have never heard that a private right to keep and bear arms is enshrined in our Constitution. Or is the document "just a piece of paper" to you?

Oh, keep in mind that all I said was that I would be in favor of a nationwide gun ban --I said nothing about how it would be enacted. If the proper legal channels were to deem that an amendment to the Constitution is necessary for such a ban to take place, then I would advocate making such an amendment before enacting the ban.


Fair enough, though you initial comments didn't come through sounding that reasonable.
 
2012-07-23 03:21:26 PM  

way south: Halli: That list is more or less bombing plots by the PIRA and RIRA. I don't really know what point you are trying to make here.

Ahh, my bad.
I forgot that we don't count terrorism as being related to "violence" round these parts.


Perhaps Halli believes homicide acceptable when committed with an implement other than a firearm.
 
2012-07-23 05:22:23 PM  

Dimensio: way south: Halli: That list is more or less bombing plots by the PIRA and RIRA. I don't really know what point you are trying to make here.

Ahh, my bad.
I forgot that we don't count terrorism as being related to "violence" round these parts.

Perhaps Halli believes homicide acceptable when committed with an implement other than a firearm.


No I just don't see what bombs have to do with gun control.
 
2012-07-23 05:50:16 PM  

Halli: Dimensio: way south: Halli: That list is more or less bombing plots by the PIRA and RIRA. I don't really know what point you are trying to make here.

Ahh, my bad.
I forgot that we don't count terrorism as being related to "violence" round these parts.

Perhaps Halli believes homicide acceptable when committed with an implement other than a firearm.

No I just don't see what bombs have to do with gun control.


References to deaths caused by criminal bombing incidents suggest that civilian disarmament advocates who claim that enacting unreasonable restrictions upon civilian firearm ownership will prevent incidents of mass murder may be mistaken.
 
2012-07-23 06:17:45 PM  

Dimensio: Halli: Dimensio: way south: Halli: That list is more or less bombing plots by the PIRA and RIRA. I don't really know what point you are trying to make here.

Ahh, my bad.
I forgot that we don't count terrorism as being related to "violence" round these parts.

Perhaps Halli believes homicide acceptable when committed with an implement other than a firearm.

No I just don't see what bombs have to do with gun control.

References to deaths caused by criminal bombing incidents suggest that civilian disarmament advocates who claim that enacting unreasonable restrictions upon civilian firearm ownership will prevent incidents of mass murder may be mistaken.


Yeah that still makes no sense when talking about gun control and bombing campaigns by a terrorist organization.
 
2012-07-23 07:33:55 PM  

DrPainMD: Now it appears that the murderer of Colorado-born American Abdulrahman al-Awlaki is going to Colorado to comfort the victims and their families. Isn't that special.


Keep farking that chicken mass of bloody feathers.
 
2012-07-25 11:36:26 AM  
GUN GRABBER "LOGIC" AND QUICK REJOINDERS
A quick Gun Thread guide by TK

1. 2nd amendment only refers to the military!
or
1. So are you a member of a well-regulated militia?

1a. Nope. The supreme court decided in DC vs. Heller that the "well regulated militia" was an "inclusionary" clause, not an "exclusionary" one. In short, the 2nd amendment legally means what the NRA has been saying it meant this entire time.

2. You're obviously compensating for something

2a. Ask your mom, she'd know.

3. Guns lead to crime!

3a. Nope. States with open carry have lower violent crime rates (after being balanced for population. Of course Wyoming has less crime than New York.. they have fewer people, too!)


4. What about "common sense" restrictions like background check, etc?

4a. If you have to beg for permission to do something, it's no longer a right. Personally, I don't think it's a great idea, the government having a nicely formatted list of everybody with so much as a pistol.. do you?


5. But those laws make it harder for criminals to get guns!

5a. And I'm sure all the criminals out there will choose to abide by your law instead of buying them off the black market.

6. Guns have no purpose but to kill people and should be banned!

6a. Tell that to the ladies and gentlemen who go down to the range every weekend to have some fun. Some people collect stamps, some people collect guns. Some people play golf, some people go target shooting. What business of yours is someone else's hobby that isn't affecting you?

7. What do you need such a dangerous tool for?

7a. None of your damned business. Less bluntly, a gun is only dangerous when misused, much like any other tool. Did you know that concealed carry permit holders are statistically the LEAST LIKELY group to commit a crime or unintentionally harm someone?

8. So since you view any restrictions on the 2nd as unconstitutional, clearly this means it's okay for you to develop a nuclear bomb in your garage.

8a. Nice strawman. Call me when that actually happens and actually makes it to court. Keep in mind that there are entirely different laws on weapons of mass destruction, even on an international level.

9. The founding fathers wouldn't know anything about the powerful weapons we have today, the 2nd doesn't cover those.
or
9. The 2nd amendment is a relic of a bygone era

9a. Who determines if a right enshrined in our constitution is "antiquated"? You? Haha. The legislature. Oh, whoops, they already decided that it was nothing of the sort. (see 1a). How would you feel if your right to free speech or right to face your accuser was deemed "antiquated"? That's basically what you're asking; on a constitutional level, both are equal.

Always available at http://bit.ly/gungrabbers
 
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