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2012-07-22 02:30:09 PM

germ78: Personally, I think this is a mental health issue first, then a gun control issue second. And only in the context of "should mentally unstable / bat shiat crazy people have access to guns? hell no."


This.
 
2012-07-22 02:30:15 PM

Mrtraveler01: Giltric: LordJiro: bonefish: I've been getting great amusement out of the backseat Dirty Harry types who think that with their sidearm they could've made all the difference against a guy in armor, fully armed who got the drop on a room full of people. Yeah modern reality is totally the OK Corral.

Don't forget the smoke/gas bomb.

To suggest that ANYONE would've been prepared enough to safely take down the shooter in that situation is hopelessly naive.

Smoke, and darkness for that matter, works both ways right....you can't see him....he can't see you?

Exactly, so the wannabe hero would just be shooting aimlessly in the dark because he can't spot the shooter in the dark and through the tear gas.

Glad you finally saw it our way.


Well I'm glad noone took out the shooter so we could have this theoretical conversation. Imagine how boring it would be if someone managed to tackle him when he was fiddling with his jammed beta mag.
 
2012-07-22 02:31:28 PM

firefly212: bigsteve3OOO: Another in the long list of "There is no difference between the two candidates" I mean seriously can anyone show me one difference between Bush 2 and 0bama and Romney? I cant think of one.

Don't ask don't tell.
Gay marriage.
Disclosure of personal finances.
To start wars v. to end them.
Working towards universal healthcare (ACA doesn't achieve it, but gets us closer).

So... really, not one?


DADT was step 1 of letting gays have the right to serve. (which I agree with BTW) Bush did step 1 0bama did step 2
Gay marriage was not an issue untill Bush set up the softball of the Defense of Marriage Act (never passed) to set the stage for Biden to allow 0bama to say what should have been said years ago.(because freedom for all is what the government is supposed to protect not limit)
Bush hid as many finance issues as 0bama and Mitt the Twit.
Bush started 2, 0bama has not ended even 1 but started at least 2 more (Libya and Syria)
Prescription part D was the largest government giveaway of healthcare and set up 0bama care.

no sir you have not shown any difference
 
2012-07-22 02:32:47 PM
have you guys realized that bigsteve is f*cking with you yet?
 
2012-07-22 02:33:17 PM
LOVE the comments in that article, pretty much every one of them blaming everyone but the guy who did the shooting. When will people understand that tighter gun controls will not stop a determined criminal from getting a gun. And they need to stop placing the blame on people who had nothing to do with a criminal act beyond existing.
 
2012-07-22 02:34:23 PM

thamike: Giltric: Smoke, and darkness for that matter, works both ways right....you can't see him....he can't see you?

So let one fly!

[www.nonstick.com image 350x291]

Yeeehaw!


Plus you could use all those meat bags running around as cover.
 
2012-07-22 02:35:08 PM

Giltric: Mrtraveler01: Giltric: LordJiro: bonefish: I've been getting great amusement out of the backseat Dirty Harry types who think that with their sidearm they could've made all the difference against a guy in armor, fully armed who got the drop on a room full of people. Yeah modern reality is totally the OK Corral.

Don't forget the smoke/gas bomb.

To suggest that ANYONE would've been prepared enough to safely take down the shooter in that situation is hopelessly naive.

Smoke, and darkness for that matter, works both ways right....you can't see him....he can't see you?

Exactly, so the wannabe hero would just be shooting aimlessly in the dark because he can't spot the shooter in the dark and through the tear gas.

Glad you finally saw it our way.

Well I'm glad noone took out the shooter so we could have this theoretical conversation. Imagine how boring it would be if someone managed to tackle him when he was fiddling with his jammed beta mag.


How much does moving goalposts pay...professionally?
 
2012-07-22 02:38:17 PM

Giltric: Plus you could use all those meat bags running around as cover.


That works both ways.
 
2012-07-22 02:38:22 PM

SN1987a goes boom: Giltric: Mrtraveler01: Giltric: LordJiro: bonefish: I've been getting great amusement out of the backseat Dirty Harry types who think that with their sidearm they could've made all the difference against a guy in armor, fully armed who got the drop on a room full of people. Yeah modern reality is totally the OK Corral.

Don't forget the smoke/gas bomb.

To suggest that ANYONE would've been prepared enough to safely take down the shooter in that situation is hopelessly naive.

Smoke, and darkness for that matter, works both ways right....you can't see him....he can't see you?

Exactly, so the wannabe hero would just be shooting aimlessly in the dark because he can't spot the shooter in the dark and through the tear gas.

Glad you finally saw it our way.

Well I'm glad noone took out the shooter so we could have this theoretical conversation. Imagine how boring it would be if someone managed to tackle him when he was fiddling with his jammed beta mag.

How much does moving goalposts pay...professionally?


I'm still waiting on how you would tell who has a mental problem without forcing every citizen into some sort of pyschiatric evaluation.
 
2012-07-22 02:39:35 PM

thamike: Giltric: Plus you could use all those meat bags running around as cover.

That works both ways.


I doubt many people stayed near the guy in kit who was shooting up the theater.
 
2012-07-22 02:41:11 PM

GhostFish: The police chief in Aurora, Colo., said he is confident that massacre gunman James Holmes acted alone. The police chief was dead wrong.
Standing at Holmes' side as he unleashed an AR-15 assault rifle and a shotgun and a handgun was Wayne LaPierre, political enforcer of the National Rifle Association.
Standing at Holmes' side as he sprayed bullets and buckshot into a crowded movie theater were Barack Obama and Mitt Romney, a President and a would-be President, who have bowed to the NRA's dictates and who responded to the slaughter Friday with revolting, useless treacle.

Author is a disgusting human being and needs mental help. I recommend percussive therapy.


Seconded.
 
2012-07-22 02:42:35 PM

bigsteve3OOO: DADT was step 1 of letting gays have the right to serve. (which I agree with BTW) Bush did step 1 0bama did step 2


DADT was Clinton.
 
2012-07-22 02:44:07 PM

Giltric: I'm still waiting on how you would tell who has a mental problem without forcing every citizen into some sort of pyschiatric evaluation


I'm waiting on you to tell who has cancer without forcing every citizen into a cancer evaluation.

That makes just as much sense as what you said.
 
2012-07-22 02:46:22 PM

cameroncrazy1984: Giltric: I'm still waiting on how you would tell who has a mental problem without forcing every citizen into some sort of pyschiatric evaluation

I'm waiting on you to tell who has cancer without forcing every citizen into a cancer evaluation.

That makes just as much sense as what you said.


Thats easy....when you pass blood you go to the doctor. When you feel a lump in your breast or on your balls you go to the doctor, and you follow the doctors advice

When you feel like killing a theater full of people you usually keep it to yourself because you know you are a broken individual.
 
2012-07-22 02:49:05 PM

Giltric: thamike: Giltric: Plus you could use all those meat bags running around as cover.

That works both ways.

I doubt many people stayed near the guy in kit who was shooting up the theater.


You forgot to have a V-8.
 
2012-07-22 02:51:24 PM

thamike: Giltric: thamike: Giltric: Plus you could use all those meat bags running around as cover.

That works both ways.

I doubt many people stayed near the guy in kit who was shooting up the theater.

You forgot to have a V-8.


Tomatoes give me acid.
 
2012-07-22 02:54:52 PM

cameroncrazy1984: bigsteve3OOO: DADT was step 1 of letting gays have the right to serve. (which I agree with BTW) Bush did step 1 0bama did step 2

DADT was Clinton.


Oh yeah I forgot about Bubba. Look my point is valid. This is a Don King Fight. Whomever wins Don King owns the fighters and get the royalties. The fighters get a small piece of the action and the fans paid too much for admission.
 
2012-07-22 02:56:25 PM
Putting an impassioned editorial on two pages to increase your page hits is pretty sad.
 
2012-07-22 02:57:58 PM

thamike: way south: With a much smaller group, like white democrats who've recently dropped out of college, you'd get two out of three of these guys right off the bat.

Now you're just dragging your heels.


I was going for subtlety, dammit.
 
2012-07-22 02:58:18 PM

heypete: keithgabryelski: Is there a reasonable reason to own an assault weapon or have the ability to purchase thousands of rounds of bullets?

Define "assault weapon". Be specific, please.

If you mean AR-15s, yes, there's plenty of reasons why they should be open for ownership: they're one of the most widely-used firearms in America for a reason. They're moderately priced, reasonably accurate, have tons of accessories/mods, fire a reasonably affordable cartridge, have good ergonomics, adjustable components for shooters of various sizes and builds, etc. They're extremely popular. Their only "sin" is that they look scary to some people.

They're functionally identical to other semi-auto rifles like the Mini-14: they fire the same cartridge at comparable velocities. The Federal Assault Weapons Ban from 1994-2004 banned AR-15s (among others) but not Mini-14s even though they're essentially the same. California's AWB still does. There's really no reason why they should be restricted and other semi-auto rifles not.

As for thousands of rounds of ammo, I don't really see the concern: I can easily go through 200 rounds of ammo during a range session. Many vendors offer discounts for bulk purchases because it saves them effort: rather than needing to unpack all the 20-round boxes from a 1,000 case, they can just put a shipping label on the case itself and send it. Same thing with even larger quantities. For example, ammoman.com offers a $20 discount if you buy 5,000 rounds of ammo at a time rather than the 1,000 case.

When military-surplus .30-06 Springfield ammo was available from South Korea at reasonable prices, I would routinely buy a few thousand rounds a week for a month or two -- it's military-surplus, so they're not making any new ammo, the price was right, and it ran great through my M1 Garand. Nothing nefarious about that.

.22 Long Rifle ammo is commonly available in 500-round "bricks". Considering the relative cost of shipping ammo, it's often cheaper to buy in bulk. ...


actually -- you haven't listed one reasonable reason to own a gun such as was used by this shooter.

as for the definition of assault rifle -- how about any rifle that has any automation to the loading of a weapon of more than one intermediary round. we can negotiate what that means -- but I would be conservative in restricting more weapons rather than less.

and actually I'm looking for gun owners to come up with reasonable restrictions.

it's time to admit we don't need as many guns and the kind of guns we have.
 
2012-07-22 03:00:30 PM

bigsteve3OOO: firefly212: bigsteve3OOO: Another in the long list of "There is no difference between the two candidates" I mean seriously can anyone show me one difference between Bush 2 and 0bama and Romney? I cant think of one.

Don't ask don't tell.
Gay marriage.
Disclosure of personal finances.
To start wars v. to end them.
Working towards universal healthcare (ACA doesn't achieve it, but gets us closer).

So... really, not one?

DADT was step 1 of letting gays have the right to serve. (which I agree with BTW) Bush did step 1 0bama did step 2
Gay marriage was not an issue untill Bush set up the softball of the Defense of Marriage Act (never passed) to set the stage for Biden to allow 0bama to say what should have been said years ago.(because freedom for all is what the government is supposed to protect not limit)
Bush hid as many finance issues as 0bama and Mitt the Twit.
Bush started 2, 0bama has not ended even 1 but started at least 2 more (Libya and Syria)
Prescription part D was the largest government giveaway of healthcare and set up 0bama care.

no sir you have not shown any difference


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2012-07-22 03:03:15 PM

bigsteve3OOO: Oh yeah I forgot about Bubba. Look my point is valid. This is a Don King Fight. Whomever wins Don King owns the fighters and get the royalties. The fighters get a small piece of the action and the fans paid too much for admission


Except for the fact that the two parties are vastly different on economics, social issues and foreign policy, sure.
 
2012-07-22 03:06:39 PM

cameroncrazy1984: bigsteve3OOO: Oh yeah I forgot about Bubba. Look my point is valid. This is a Don King Fight. Whomever wins Don King owns the fighters and get the royalties. The fighters get a small piece of the action and the fans paid too much for admission

Except for the fact that the two parties are vastly different on economics, social issues and foreign policy, sure.


name one please.
 
2012-07-22 03:13:46 PM

Giltric: SN1987a goes boom: Giltric: Mrtraveler01: Giltric: LordJiro: bonefish: I've been getting great amusement out of the backseat Dirty Harry types who think that with their sidearm they could've made all the difference against a guy in armor, fully armed who got the drop on a room full of people. Yeah modern reality is totally the OK Corral.

Don't forget the smoke/gas bomb.

To suggest that ANYONE would've been prepared enough to safely take down the shooter in that situation is hopelessly naive.

Smoke, and darkness for that matter, works both ways right....you can't see him....he can't see you?

Exactly, so the wannabe hero would just be shooting aimlessly in the dark because he can't spot the shooter in the dark and through the tear gas.

Glad you finally saw it our way.

Well I'm glad noone took out the shooter so we could have this theoretical conversation. Imagine how boring it would be if someone managed to tackle him when he was fiddling with his jammed beta mag.

How much does moving goalposts pay...professionally?

I'm still waiting on how you would tell who has a mental problem without forcing every citizen into some sort of pyschiatric evaluation.


Nice misdirection. Also, you don't need to force every citizen into it, just ones who buy 4 guns in one month.
 
2012-07-22 03:14:07 PM
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2012-07-22 03:17:13 PM

keithgabryelski: actually -- you haven't listed one reasonable reason to own a gun such as was used by this shooter.


I haven't? Perhaps you and I don't really see eye-to-eye on this issue.

That said, you haven't listed one reason why one of the most common rifles in the country shouldn't be legal to own.

Our rights default to "on", whether it comes to free speech, buying firearms, fast cars, or junk food. The onus is on the one restricting that right to show why it should be restricted.

as for the definition of assault rifle -- how about any rifle that has any automation to the loading of a weapon of more than one intermediary round. we can negotiate what that means -- but I would be conservative in restricting more weapons rather than less.

So, the majority of all firearms in public hands? Sure, that seems totally reasonable.

and actually I'm looking for gun owners to come up with reasonable restrictions.

What's wrong with existing regulations? True machine guns are already highly regulated and extremely rare. Semi-automatic firearms are in wide use by the general public, so that's really not going to fly.

The 1994-2004 Federal AWB didn't really have any effect on crime, so why bother trying it again? As an aside, Switzerland (where I live) issues fully-auto automatic rifles to the civilian population (military service is mandatory for able-bodied/minded males) and they keep these weapons and ammo in their homes. Ownership of private firearms, including semi-automatic firearms, is extremely common. Violent crime rates are extremely low, even with access to military-grade firepower. Why not look to the Swiss for inspiration as to how they are able to have such a relatively violence-free society even with such firearms?

it's time to admit we don't need as many guns and the kind of guns we have.

Ok, then don't buy those types of guns. Nobody's forcing you to.

Knee-jerk reactions to rare, high-profile events are almost certainly not the correct course of action.
 
2012-07-22 03:18:39 PM

bigsteve3OOO: cameroncrazy1984: bigsteve3OOO: Oh yeah I forgot about Bubba. Look my point is valid. This is a Don King Fight. Whomever wins Don King owns the fighters and get the royalties. The fighters get a small piece of the action and the fans paid too much for admission

Except for the fact that the two parties are vastly different on economics, social issues and foreign policy, sure.

name one please.


You only want one? Okay

Republicans want to cut taxes on the top 1%. Democrats want to return the top marginal rate to 39%, same as it was under Clinton. That's one. Do you want more?
 
2012-07-22 03:21:20 PM

keithgabryelski: actually -- you haven't listed one reasonable reason to own a gun such as was used by this shooter.


Guesses as to why?

How about: "Because technology moved on" and the old designs are obsolete.
With plastic and new milling techniques, Guns haven't needed to look like your grand daddies hunting rifle since the 1950's.
It is more expensive to own a Garand today than to get an AR (Minus the election year markup, of course).

dl.dropbox.com

dl.dropbox.com

/Closer to the truth: "Because you'll never be satisfied with the restrictions you get".
/Your kind is disingenuous and there is always one more thing on your list to take from everyone else.
/Bolt action rifles with fixed magazines have changed this world more drastically than any assault rifle.
 
2012-07-22 03:21:34 PM

keithgabryelski: as for the definition of assault rifle -- how about any rifle that has any automation to the loading of a weapon of more than one intermediary round. we can negotiate what that means -- but I would be conservative in restricting more weapons rather than less.


Why don't we define "assault rifle" as what the consensus is that has been used for years and not what any random jerk-off decides is the correct definition?
 
2012-07-22 03:24:31 PM

way south: It is more expensive to own a Garand today than to get an AR (Minus the election year markup, of course).


Tell me about it.

/dies a little every time he sees the prices for .30-06.
 
2012-07-22 03:28:45 PM

Giltric: cameroncrazy1984: Giltric: I'm still waiting on how you would tell who has a mental problem without forcing every citizen into some sort of pyschiatric evaluation

I'm waiting on you to tell who has cancer without forcing every citizen into a cancer evaluation.

That makes just as much sense as what you said.

Thats easy....when you pass blood you go to the doctor. When you feel a lump in your breast or on your balls you go to the doctor, and you follow the doctors advice

When you feel like killing a theater full of people you usually keep it to yourself because you know you are a broken individual.


Yes, because the only symptom of mental illness is snapping and killing a bunch of people. And mental illness never manifests itself prior to a psychotic break.
 
2012-07-22 03:32:49 PM

heypete: keithgabryelski: Is there a reasonable reason to own an assault weapon or have the ability to purchase thousands of rounds of bullets?

Define "assault weapon". Be specific, please.

If you mean AR-15s, yes, there's plenty of reasons why they should be open for ownership: they're one of the most widely-used firearms in America for a reason. They're moderately priced, reasonably accurate, have tons of accessories/mods, fire a reasonably affordable cartridge, have good ergonomics, adjustable components for shooters of various sizes and builds, etc. They're extremely popular. Their only "sin" is that they look scary to some people.

They're functionally identical to other semi-auto rifles like the Mini-14: they fire the same cartridge at comparable velocities. The Federal Assault Weapons Ban from 1994-2004 banned AR-15s (among others) but not Mini-14s even though they're essentially the same. California's AWB still does. There's really no reason why they should be restricted and other semi-auto rifles not.

As for thousands of rounds of ammo, I don't really see the concern: I can easily go through 200 rounds of ammo during a range session. Many vendors offer discounts for bulk purchases because it saves them effort: rather than needing to unpack all the 20-round boxes from a 1,000 case, they can just put a shipping label on the case itself and send it. Same thing with even larger quantities. For example, ammoman.com offers a $20 discount if you buy 5,000 rounds of ammo at a time rather than the 1,000 case.

When military-surplus .30-06 Springfield ammo was available from South Korea at reasonable prices, I would routinely buy a few thousand rounds a week for a month or two -- it's military-surplus, so they're not making any new ammo, the price was right, and it ran great through my M1 Garand. Nothing nefarious about that.

.22 Long Rifle ammo is commonly available in 500-round "bricks". Considering the relative cost of shipping ammo, it's often cheaper to buy in bulk. Buying 5,000 rounds at a time is relatively common, particularly if one can get all the ammo from the same manufacturers lot. Buying from the same lot helps ensure consistency, as the ammo was made around the same time, on the same day, on the same machine. This is a great benefit for competition shooters who can go through thousands of rounds of ammo in training and competitions.

Buying the ammo in individual boxes at a retail store would significantly increase the cost.

In short: Yes, there are perfectly legitimate reasons for wanting to own "assault weapons" and to buy thousands of rounds of ammo at a time.


Just curious, I've heard of people hunting with a range rifle but I can't remember hearing/ seeing anybody use an AR-15. Do people use that for hunting? Seems like the round would tear up a good bit of meat.
 
2012-07-22 03:32:51 PM

heypete: way south: It is more expensive to own a Garand today than to get an AR (Minus the election year markup, of course).

Tell me about it.

/dies a little every time he sees the prices for .30-06.


My grandfather used to own an M1 Carbine and has some ammo left over from when he got rid of it about 10 years ago. He gave me 200 rounds a couple weeks ago. Said it was worth about fifty cents a round. I have $100 worth of ammo for a rifle I don't even own yet.
 
2012-07-22 03:34:39 PM

SN1987a goes boom: Giltric: SN1987a goes boom: Giltric: Mrtraveler01: Giltric: LordJiro: bonefish: I've been getting great amusement out of the backseat Dirty Harry types who think that with their sidearm they could've made all the difference against a guy in armor, fully armed who got the drop on a room full of people. Yeah modern reality is totally the OK Corral.

Don't forget the smoke/gas bomb.

To suggest that ANYONE would've been prepared enough to safely take down the shooter in that situation is hopelessly naive.

Smoke, and darkness for that matter, works both ways right....you can't see him....he can't see you?

Exactly, so the wannabe hero would just be shooting aimlessly in the dark because he can't spot the shooter in the dark and through the tear gas.

Glad you finally saw it our way.

Well I'm glad noone took out the shooter so we could have this theoretical conversation. Imagine how boring it would be if someone managed to tackle him when he was fiddling with his jammed beta mag.

How much does moving goalposts pay...professionally?

I'm still waiting on how you would tell who has a mental problem without forcing every citizen into some sort of pyschiatric evaluation.

Nice misdirection. Also, you don't need to force every citizen into it, just ones who buy 4 guns in one month.


Misdirection? Um no. you made a claim I asked how you would go about it. And you ignored it because you probably regretted posting such stupid tripe .

I'd agree with the mental eval to determine if somoene was hypothetically willing to take another life based on purchases....as long as you are ok with a mental eval where a person is set on taking another life....like with abortion.
 
2012-07-22 03:35:13 PM

cameroncrazy1984: bigsteve3OOO: cameroncrazy1984: bigsteve3OOO: Oh yeah I forgot about Bubba. Look my point is valid. This is a Don King Fight. Whomever wins Don King owns the fighters and get the royalties. The fighters get a small piece of the action and the fans paid too much for admission

Except for the fact that the two parties are vastly different on economics, social issues and foreign policy, sure.

name one please.

You only want one? Okay

Republicans want to cut taxes on the top 1%. Democrats want to return the top marginal rate to 39%, same as it was under Clinton. That's one. Do you want more?


This is a perfect example. What they say and what happens is two completely separate things. How much did the top 1% tax rate go up during the two years that the dems had the house, senate, and presidency? same as when the reps had it. They talk but do not deliver. How much 0bamacare as a percentage is paid by the poor and middle class compared to the rich? The same as Bushes tax rate. The dems wrote the law and passed it and yet it similar screws the people you claim they champion.
 
2012-07-22 03:35:57 PM

Giltric: When you feel like killing a theater full of people you usually keep it to yourself because you know you are a broken individual.


i1.kym-cdn.com
 
2012-07-22 03:36:50 PM

Giltric: SN1987a goes boom: Giltric: SN1987a goes boom: Giltric: Mrtraveler01: Giltric: LordJiro: bonefish: I've been getting great amusement out of the backseat Dirty Harry types who think that with their sidearm they could've made all the difference against a guy in armor, fully armed who got the drop on a room full of people. Yeah modern reality is totally the OK Corral.

Don't forget the smoke/gas bomb.

To suggest that ANYONE would've been prepared enough to safely take down the shooter in that situation is hopelessly naive.

Smoke, and darkness for that matter, works both ways right....you can't see him....he can't see you?

Exactly, so the wannabe hero would just be shooting aimlessly in the dark because he can't spot the shooter in the dark and through the tear gas.

Glad you finally saw it our way.

Well I'm glad noone took out the shooter so we could have this theoretical conversation. Imagine how boring it would be if someone managed to tackle him when he was fiddling with his jammed beta mag.

How much does moving goalposts pay...professionally?

I'm still waiting on how you would tell who has a mental problem without forcing every citizen into some sort of pyschiatric evaluation.

Nice misdirection. Also, you don't need to force every citizen into it, just ones who buy 4 guns in one month.

Misdirection? Um no. you made a claim I asked how you would go about it. And you ignored it because you probably regretted posting such stupid tripe .

I'd agree with the mental eval to determine if somoene was hypothetically willing to take another life based on purchases....as long as you are ok with a mental eval where a person is set on taking another life....like with abortion.


I'd prefer that instead of doctors shoving ultrasound wands up people's vaginas.
 
2012-07-22 03:38:55 PM

simplicimus: Spare Me: simplicimus: Well, buying that stuff might be noteworthy to authorities, unless you're going up against well armed deer.

As long as we monitor sales of clown suits too. They cause far more harm than good.

It's not the clown suits that cause harm, it's the makeup.


And that's why we need guns. The woods here are just crawlin' with clown.
 
2012-07-22 03:39:55 PM

heypete: way south: It is more expensive to own a Garand today than to get an AR (Minus the election year markup, of course).

Tell me about it.

/dies a little every time he sees the prices for .30-06.


You will find no sympathy here.

/Bought a tin of 7.62X54R through the local shop. After taxes, shipping fees, markup, paid $160.
/We pay around $10 for 50 .22LR
/Saw a 500 round jug of ,22 at Walmart in Georgia for less than $25.
/The cashier asked me why I was crying...
 
2012-07-22 03:40:18 PM

dinch: Just curious, I've heard of people hunting with a range rifle but I can't remember hearing/ seeing anybody use an AR-15. Do people use that for hunting? Seems like the round would tear up a good bit of meat.


5.56mm/.223 caliber ammo is actually a pretty common deer-class cartridge. All the major manufacturers make ammo suitable for hunting (softpoints, ballistic tips, etc.) with it. It's not really suitable for larger critters like bears, elk, etc., but is quite common for deer and smaller creatures. Why would you think the round would tear up the meat? .308 and other cartridges are considerably more powerful and are also common for hunting and they don't ruin the meat (assuming you're a decent shot).

That said, my understanding is that the AR isn't really common for hunting. Some states restrict hunting with firearms with detachable magazines. It's also not the lightest gun around, so that could be burdensome for hunters.

The AR is extremely common in competitions, though, as there's a wide variety of accessories (optics, hand grips, match-grade triggers, etc.).

/recreational and occasionally-competitive shooter, not a hunter.
 
2012-07-22 03:41:38 PM

bigsteve3OOO: This is a perfect example. What they say and what happens is two completely separate things. How much did the top 1% tax rate go up during the two years that the dems had the house, senate, and presidency?


It didn't go up because Republicans in the Senate blocked it. Oh look, the difference becomes clear again! Shocking how the facts continue to go against your theory that both sides are exactly the same.
 
2012-07-22 03:41:47 PM

heypete: way south: It is more expensive to own a Garand today than to get an AR (Minus the election year markup, of course).

Tell me about it.

/dies a little every time he sees the prices for .30-06.


Same here. Still kicking myself for not picking up a range rifle and/ or a nice lever action before Obama got elected. Always liked the M-1's but damn, they seemed heavy!

DAMN YOU OBAMA!
 
2012-07-22 03:42:10 PM

dinch: Seems like the round would tear up a good bit of meat


Round might be too small and light to even penetrate enough hide/tissue to cause hemorhagging/death in the animal (deer) you intend to kill.

But .223 is a popular varmint caliber out west for something like prairie dogs.
 
2012-07-22 03:44:02 PM

cameroncrazy1984: Giltric: cameroncrazy1984: Giltric: I'm still waiting on how you would tell who has a mental problem without forcing every citizen into some sort of pyschiatric evaluation

I'm waiting on you to tell who has cancer without forcing every citizen into a cancer evaluation.

That makes just as much sense as what you said.

Thats easy....when you pass blood you go to the doctor. When you feel a lump in your breast or on your balls you go to the doctor, and you follow the doctors advice

When you feel like killing a theater full of people you usually keep it to yourself because you know you are a broken individual.

Yes, because the only symptom of mental illness is snapping and killing a bunch of people. And mental illness never manifests itself prior to a psychotic break.


So you want to profile people?
 
2012-07-22 03:44:40 PM

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What the f*ck does that even mean?
 
2012-07-22 03:45:21 PM

Farker Soze: keithgabryelski: as for the definition of assault rifle -- how about any rifle that has any automation to the loading of a weapon of more than one intermediary round. we can negotiate what that means -- but I would be conservative in restricting more weapons rather than less.

Why don't we define "assault rifle" as what the consensus is that has been used for years and not what any random jerk-off decides is the correct definition?


How about you help the discussion instead of throwing down "jerk off". I'm unconcerned with the name of weapon.

Yeah, I'm looking to restrict gun rights. I'm looking for it to be done legally -- let's scratch the 2nd amendment -- I'll start with that.

I see no benefit to allowing any citizen the right to a semi-automatic weapon or anything that could be converted into such a thing.

And that opinion isn't just mine.

You'll get your hackles up -- maybe you care about this part of the constitution -- I don't really care if you do -- I think it is an outdated law. Nearly as outdated as the 3rd amendment.
 
2012-07-22 03:45:55 PM

Giltric: So you want to profile people?


Why would you need to profile those that are showing symptoms of mental illness?
 
2012-07-22 03:47:43 PM

heypete: dinch: Just curious, I've heard of people hunting with a range rifle but I can't remember hearing/ seeing anybody use an AR-15. Do people use that for hunting? Seems like the round would tear up a good bit of meat.

5.56mm/.223 caliber ammo is actually a pretty common deer-class cartridge. All the major manufacturers make ammo suitable for hunting (softpoints, ballistic tips, etc.) with it. It's not really suitable for larger critters like bears, elk, etc., but is quite common for deer and smaller creatures. Why would you think the round would tear up the meat? .308 and other cartridges are considerably more powerful and are also common for hunting and they don't ruin the meat (assuming you're a decent shot).

That said, my understanding is that the AR isn't really common for hunting. Some states restrict hunting with firearms with detachable magazines. It's also not the lightest gun around, so that could be burdensome for hunters.

The AR is extremely common in competitions, though, as there's a wide variety of accessories (optics, hand grips, match-grade triggers, etc.).

/recreational and occasionally-competitive shooter, not a hunter.


Ah, ok. Thanks. Have limited knowledge of AR ammo and always thought that their rounds tumbled so that they could drop whatever they hit, pretty much wherever they got hit.
 
2012-07-22 03:49:31 PM
It is pretty obvious to all but the most derpified conspiracy theorists that Obama has many more things he thinks are more important to tackle than gun control.
 
2012-07-22 03:49:48 PM

cameroncrazy1984: Giltric: So you want to profile people?

Why would you need to profile those that are showing symptoms of mental illness?


Whos observing them prior to their evaluation?


Confused thinking
Long-lasting sadness or irritability

Extremely high and low moods
Excessive fear, worry, or anxiety
Social withdrawal
Dramatic changes in eating or sleeping habits
Strong feelings of anger
Delusions
or hallucinations (seeing or hearing things that are not really there)
Increasing inability to cope with daily problems and activities
Thoughts of suicide
Denial of obvious problems
Many unexplained physical problems
Abuse of drugs and/or alcohol


You seem like a prime candidate for an eval...someone give cameron an eval stat!
 
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