Lost Thought 00: HotWingConspiracy: There is quite literally no way to stop them.

Anyone owning more than X guns or rounds of ammunition must submit to annual mental examinations.

Holmes bought the guns and ammo within a span of 60 days. He had 300 to go before his next exam.

Giltric: Mrtraveler01: Giltric: I thought Aurora was a gun free zone or something where CCW was not allowed.....due to the Columbine massacre 20 miles away.

Let me guess, you're one of those folks who think that this would've all been prevented if they allowed CCW in cinemas in Aurora.

Because anyone can accurately shoot a guy in a dark and smoky movie theater without harming someone else unintentionally.

*rolls eyes*

Not anyone....some people, sure.

Some groups do live fire training with living hostages sitting in front of paper targets.......

Are you saying it's impossible?

And the chances of someone that skilled being at a cinema in Aurora, CO at midnight are...?

I'm saying it's not realistic.

People were killed in Colorado. You know what this means? It means that we need to have a reasonable discussion about repealing the 2nd amendment. Also, it means that I can talk about penis sizes and how gun owners are racist.

Anyone who doesn't want a reasonable repeal of the second amendment has a small penis and hates black people.

/That's pretty much the argument you'll hear from the loons on fark.

Frank N Stein: People were killed in Colorado. You know what this means? It means that we need to have a reasonable discussion about repealing the 2nd amendment. Also, it means that I can talk about penis sizes and how gun owners are racist.

Anyone who doesn't want a reasonable repeal of the second amendment has a small penis and hates black people.

/That's pretty much the argument you'll hear from the loons on fark.

Sounds like you guys are the real victims of this tragedy.

you are a puppet: Frank N Stein: People were killed in Colorado. You know what this means? It means that we need to have a reasonable discussion about repealing the 2nd amendment. Also, it means that I can talk about penis sizes and how gun owners are racist.

Anyone who doesn't want a reasonable repeal of the second amendment has a small penis and hates black people.

/That's pretty much the argument you'll hear from the loons on fark.

Sounds like you guys are the real victims of this tragedy.

The victims are the ones killed or wounded by the madman.

Not sure what you're trying to say.

Sounds like the media is all butthurt when people don't react to things the way they want them to do.

Frank N Stein: People were killed in Colorado. You know what this means? It means that we need to have a reasonable discussion about repealing the 2nd amendment. Also, it means that I can talk about penis sizes and how gun owners are racist.

Anyone who doesn't want a reasonable repeal of the second amendment has a small penis and hates black people.

/That's pretty much the argument you'll hear from the loons on fark.

I'll bite. Who is advocating repealing the second amendment again?

Are you basically saying that any form or regulation involving gun ownership is an infringement of your 2nd Amendment rights?

wedun: NIXON YOU DOLT!!!!!: An AR-15 and a shotgun qualify as "heavy weaponry"?

wtfamireading?

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Sometimes you need just a little less gun.

Their headline Firday (or maybe it was yesterday) was just a giant picture of of Obama's frowning face with the boldface words "HOW MANY MORE MUST DIE, MR. PRESIDENT?!?" Trolls.

Giltric: Mrtraveler01: Giltric: Mrtraveler01: Giltric: I thought Aurora was a gun free zone or something where CCW was not allowed.....due to the Columbine massacre 20 miles away.

Let me guess, you're one of those folks who think that this would've all been prevented if they allowed CCW in cinemas in Aurora.

Because anyone can accurately shoot a guy in a dark and smoky movie theater without harming someone else unintentionally.

*rolls eyes*

Not anyone....some people, sure.

Some groups do live fire training with living hostages sitting in front of paper targets.......

Are you saying it's impossible?

And the chances of someone that skilled being at a cinema in Aurora, CO at midnight are...?

I'm saying it's not realistic.

There were military personnel in the theatre at the time....some might even be victims, but none were armed, and I don;t have access to their dd214's to see if they attended any schools where they might be more proficient in violence of action then normal military personnel.

It could be more realistic then you think.

u skeered?

No, why would I be scared?

I still think it's an unrealistic expectation to expect someone to accurately shoot someone in a dark smoky movie theater where everyone is running in a panic and getting in the way of someone trying to shoot the main shooter.

bigsteve3OOO: Another in the long list of "There is no difference between the two candidates" I mean seriously can anyone show me one difference between Bush 2 and 0bama and Romney? I cant think of one.

Don't ask don't tell.
Gay marriage.
Disclosure of personal finances.
To start wars v. to end them.
Working towards universal healthcare (ACA doesn't achieve it, but gets us closer).

So... really, not one?

Mrtraveler01: Frank N Stein: People were killed in Colorado. You know what this means? It means that we need to have a reasonable discussion about repealing the 2nd amendment. Also, it means that I can talk about penis sizes and how gun owners are racist.

Anyone who doesn't want a reasonable repeal of the second amendment has a small penis and hates black people.

/That's pretty much the argument you'll hear from the loons on fark.

I'll bite. Who is advocating repealing the second amendment again?

Are you basically saying that any form or regulation involving gun ownership is an infringement of your 2nd Amendment rights?

I shouldn't have said repeal. But certainly restrictions are touted by some. Magazine round restrictions, watch lists etc.

GhostFish: The police chief in Aurora, Colo., said he is confident that massacre gunman James Holmes acted alone. The police chief was dead wrong.
Standing at Holmes' side as he unleashed an AR-15 assault rifle and a shotgun and a handgun was Wayne LaPierre, political enforcer of the National Rifle Association.
Standing at Holmes' side as he sprayed bullets and buckshot into a crowded movie theater were Barack Obama and Mitt Romney, a President and a would-be President, who have bowed to the NRA's dictates and who responded to the slaughter Friday with revolting, useless treacle.

Author is a disgusting human being and needs mental help. I recommend percussive therapy.

If this had been like, some kind of issue where the guy had been previously committed, and it hadn't shown up on a background check, or the guy had a history of violent crimes that maybe weren't felonious, then we could have some kind of reason for tweeking gun control laws, maybe serially violent people (even if not felonious) shouldn't be able to get guns, and maybe there are problems with background checks... but this guy was a clean as a whistle law-abiding citizen right up until he was a mass-murderer... I'm not going to categorize all of the first category as high-risk of falling into the second category. There are reasonable forms of gun control, but pretty much none of those would have stopped this guy... even if there were no guns at all, it's pretty evident he had some serious bomb-making skills... what then, we're going to ban learning about chemistry (your house has the materials to make a bomb too, usually right under the kitchen sink or out in the garage)...

Giltric: firefly212: bigsteve3OOO: Another in the long list of "There is no difference between the two candidates" I mean seriously can anyone show me one difference between Bush 2 and 0bama and Romney? I cant think of one.

Don't ask don't tell.
Gay marriage.
Disclosure of personal finances.
To start wars v. to end them.
Working towards universal healthcare (ACA doesn't achieve it, but gets us closer).

So... really, not one?

Well someones position on gay marriage only evolved when the polls told him it was time to pander....err come out in favor of gay marriage.

Or come out against it if you're Mitt Romney. ;)

I've been getting great amusement out of the backseat Dirty Harry types who think that with their sidearm they could've made all the difference against a guy in armor, fully armed who got the drop on a room full of people. Yeah modern reality is totally the OK Corral.

Lost Thought 00: HotWingConspiracy: There is quite literally no way to stop them.

Anyone owning more than X guns or rounds of ammunition must submit to annual mental examinations.

...But most of these attackers are politically active college students who didn't own many guns.
Since there are fewer of those than there are gun owners, wouldn't it take less time to force all students to undergo mental evaluations?

Giltric: Frank N Stein: Mrtraveler01: Frank N Stein: People were killed in Colorado. You know what this means? It means that we need to have a reasonable discussion about repealing the 2nd amendment. Also, it means that I can talk about penis sizes and how gun owners are racist.

Anyone who doesn't want a reasonable repeal of the second amendment has a small penis and hates black people.

/That's pretty much the argument you'll hear from the loons on fark.

I'll bite. Who is advocating repealing the second amendment again?

Are you basically saying that any form or regulation involving gun ownership is an infringement of your 2nd Amendment rights?

I shouldn't have said repeal. But certainly restrictions are touted by some. Magazine round restrictions, watch lists etc.

the beta mag jammed....which is what they are prone to do. He probably hurt/killed more people with the sporting shotgun that would not be covered under a AWB or magazine restriction.

If the actor did not have access to fireamrs he probably would have came up with something else...maybe ammonia and bleach bombs....and hurt/killed more people.

broken person is broken and intent on doing harm......not alot that can prevent that.

Other than better mental health care/coverage in this country...no, not a lot.

Giltric: I thought Aurora was a gun free zone or something where CCW was not allowed.....due to the Columbine massacre 20 miles away.

lol, no... there's no such thing as a ccw zone in Colorado... there's like... federal buildings, post offices, and a couple other kinds of buildings you can't take guns into, but you couldn't possibly get a city ordinance to make a whole town be ccw-free. Liberal though I may be, we Coloradans do love guns. Aside from that, given the guy had an AR and a shotgun in addition to his two pistols, I don't really see how a ccw is relevant to him. In the theater, any well-trained person wouldn't have fired (even if they had their gun)... dark theater, hundreds of panicked patrons, tear gas f'n with your vision, and the shooter having body armor... odds are far higher that you'd end up killing an innocent person than killing the bad guy. Gohmert notwithstanding, reasonable gun owners would have done exactly what all the patrons of the theater did (given the numbers, I'd wager a couple had ccw permits and maybe even guns)... but you still do the right thing... get to a tactically better place, then evaluate the situation... given that police were on-site within two minutes, by the time any holders would have gotten to a reasonably safe place to engage, it was no longer their place to do so.

Giltric: Mrtraveler01: Giltric: firefly212: bigsteve3OOO: Another in the long list of "There is no difference between the two candidates" I mean seriously can anyone show me one difference between Bush 2 and 0bama and Romney? I cant think of one.

Don't ask don't tell.
Gay marriage.
Disclosure of personal finances.
To start wars v. to end them.
Working towards universal healthcare (ACA doesn't achieve it, but gets us closer).

So... really, not one?

Well someones position on gay marriage only evolved when the polls told him it was time to pander....err come out in favor of gay marriage.

Or come out against it if you're Mitt Romney. ;)

5. Marriage:
BSG: The colonists use the word "seal" in preference to marriage, and a couple is sealed "not only for now but for all the eternities." (Adama in Lost Planet of Ancient Gods.)

LDS: In the LDS church, marriage refers to a secular joining and "sealing" referes to a bond sanctified by God and "not only for time, but for all eternity."

Lords of Kobol, how do I reach these keeeeeds.

bonefish: I've been getting great amusement out of the backseat Dirty Harry types who think that with their sidearm they could've made all the difference against a guy in armor, fully armed who got the drop on a room full of people. Yeah modern reality is totally the OK Corral.

Don't forget the smoke/gas bomb.

To suggest that ANYONE would've been prepared enough to safely take down the shooter in that situation is hopelessly naive.

Giltric: Mrtraveler01: Giltric: Mrtraveler01: Giltric: firefly212: bigsteve3OOO: Another in the long list of "There is no difference between the two candidates" I mean seriously can anyone show me one difference between Bush 2 and 0bama and Romney? I cant think of one.

Don't ask don't tell.
Gay marriage.
Disclosure of personal finances.
To start wars v. to end them.
Working towards universal healthcare (ACA doesn't achieve it, but gets us closer).

So... really, not one?

Well someones position on gay marriage only evolved when the polls told him it was time to pander....err come out in favor of gay marriage.

Or come out against it if you're Mitt Romney. ;)

5. Marriage:
BSG: The colonists use the word "seal" in preference to marriage, and a couple is sealed "not only for now but for all the eternities." (Adama in Lost Planet of Ancient Gods.)

LDS: In the LDS church, marriage refers to a secular joining and "sealing" referes to a bond sanctified by God and "not only for time, but for all eternity."

Lords of Kobol, how do I reach these keeeeeds.



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Thats almost as awesome as the, endorsement from the NRA he recieved

Mitt Romney is many things to many people. Depending on what they want to hear of course.

Giltric: LordJiro: bonefish: I've been getting great amusement out of the backseat Dirty Harry types who think that with their sidearm they could've made all the difference against a guy in armor, fully armed who got the drop on a room full of people. Yeah modern reality is totally the OK Corral.

Don't forget the smoke/gas bomb.

To suggest that ANYONE would've been prepared enough to safely take down the shooter in that situation is hopelessly naive.

Smoke, and darkness for that matter, works both ways right....you can't see him....he can't see you?

Exactly, so the wannabe hero would just be shooting aimlessly in the dark because he can't spot the shooter in the dark and through the tear gas.

Glad you finally saw it our way.

Epoch_Zero: way south: Lost Thought 00: HotWingConspiracy: There is quite literally no way to stop them.

Anyone owning more than X guns or rounds of ammunition must submit to annual mental examinations.

...But most of these attackers are politically active college students who didn't own many guns.
Since there are fewer of those than there are gun owners, wouldn't it take less time to force all students to undergo mental evaluations?

Or, since we are going full blood for the blood god, why not just lobotomize or mentally incapacitate all newborns starting new so that there can't be any more events like this? Freedom isn't free, you know.

Look, I'm just trying to suggest a reasonable plan of action here.
We only need to force a mental health evaluation on certain demographics. But if you start with "gun owners" then you've got tens of millions to sort through.
With a much smaller group, like white democrats who've recently dropped out of college, you'd get two out of three of these guys right off the bat.

Giltric: LordJiro: bonefish: I've been getting great amusement out of the backseat Dirty Harry types who think that with their sidearm they could've made all the difference against a guy in armor, fully armed who got the drop on a room full of people. Yeah modern reality is totally the OK Corral.

Don't forget the smoke/gas bomb.

To suggest that ANYONE would've been prepared enough to safely take down the shooter in that situation is hopelessly naive.

Smoke, and darkness for that matter, works both ways right....you can't see him....he can't see you?

You really don't see a difference between a homicidal maniac shooting blindly into a crowd and crowd shooting blindly back?

Giltric: LordJiro: bonefish: I've been getting great amusement out of the backseat Dirty Harry types who think that with their sidearm they could've made all the difference against a guy in armor, fully armed who got the drop on a room full of people. Yeah modern reality is totally the OK Corral.

Don't forget the smoke/gas bomb.

To suggest that ANYONE would've been prepared enough to safely take down the shooter in that situation is hopelessly naive.

Smoke, and darkness for that matter, works both ways right....you can't see him....he can't see you?

The shooter obviously didn't have a specific target in mind. Accuracy wasn't a real big concern, as it would be to anyone trying to shoot him. Plus, he had a gas mask, so the smoke/gas/whatever it was wasn't as big of a problem.

keithgabryelski: Is there a reasonable reason to own an assault weapon or have the ability to purchase thousands of rounds of bullets?

Define "assault weapon". Be specific, please.

If you mean AR-15s, yes, there's plenty of reasons why they should be open for ownership: they're one of the most widely-used firearms in America for a reason. They're moderately priced, reasonably accurate, have tons of accessories/mods, fire a reasonably affordable cartridge, have good ergonomics, adjustable components for shooters of various sizes and builds, etc. They're extremely popular. Their only "sin" is that they look scary to some people.

They're functionally identical to other semi-auto rifles like the Mini-14: they fire the same cartridge at comparable velocities. The Federal Assault Weapons Ban from 1994-2004 banned AR-15s (among others) but not Mini-14s even though they're essentially the same. California's AWB still does. There's really no reason why they should be restricted and other semi-auto rifles not.

As for thousands of rounds of ammo, I don't really see the concern: I can easily go through 200 rounds of ammo during a range session. Many vendors offer discounts for bulk purchases because it saves them effort: rather than needing to unpack all the 20-round boxes from a 1,000 case, they can just put a shipping label on the case itself and send it. Same thing with even larger quantities. For example, ammoman.com offers a $20 discount if you buy 5,000 rounds of ammo at a time rather than the 1,000 case.

When military-surplus .30-06 Springfield ammo was available from South Korea at reasonable prices, I would routinely buy a few thousand rounds a week for a month or two -- it's military-surplus, so they're not making any new ammo, the price was right, and it ran great through my M1 Garand. Nothing nefarious about that.

.22 Long Rifle ammo is commonly available in 500-round "bricks". Considering the relative cost of shipping ammo, it's often cheaper to buy in bulk. Buying 5,000 rounds at a time is relatively common, particularly if one can get all the ammo from the same manufacturers lot. Buying from the same lot helps ensure consistency, as the ammo was made around the same time, on the same day, on the same machine. This is a great benefit for competition shooters who can go through thousands of rounds of ammo in training and competitions.

Buying the ammo in individual boxes at a retail store would significantly increase the cost.

In short: Yes, there are perfectly legitimate reasons for wanting to own "assault weapons" and to buy thousands of rounds of ammo at a time.

Personally, I think this is a mental health issue first, then a gun control issue second. And only in the context of "should mentally unstable / bat shiat crazy people have access to guns? hell no."