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2012-07-22 11:00:50 AM

FriarReb98: Lost Thought 00: No one was this extreme when a coach actively covered up when his star player murdered another teammate down in texas a while ago.

This. I'm fairly convinced that if this had happened at, say, Troy University (which would be fitting, if you ask me), no one would care half as much, and most wouldn't care at all. It's like the high profile of it has made it that much more trollbait or something.

I'm sure you'll all come hating down on me, saying I support kid rapists and those who cover them up, but I don't. (I'm also sure the preceding line will be edited from any and all quotes of me.) I just think people are getting far too wrapped up in this and just want to hate, scream and avenge, and don't care what has been done legally or otherwise to those involved. I mean, for Christ's sake, you're screaming about "getting" a dead man, a convicted felon and a bunch of people who have lost their jobs and credibility. They have absolutely nothing to do with the team anymore.

And hating on the fans? Apparently every last fan of Penn State is now a kiddy-diddler in the minds of you trolls. Hell, for all I know, by just posting this I've now farked twelve kids myself in your minds. I'm also pretty convinced you'd also want to support those at your personal alma maters that weren't involved in something like this too, and not feel the slightest bit hypocritical about it.

You people need farking lives, or a bj, or a shiatload of sedatives and therapy. None of you would have the balls to go up to a Penn State fan or football player and say half the shiat you're saying in person.

Go ahead, hate on me. I'm done with this thread.


Personally, I think most of the fans are, quite justifiably, feeling angry and betrayed themselves, and I certainly don't think they condone the underlying crimes.

But as to why this story has more traction than, say, murdering a (relative) adult, it's probably because protecting children is pretty much hard-wired into us as a species.

You can blame Darwin or your Intelligent Designer, if it'll make you feel better...but that's just the way it is.
 
2012-07-22 11:02:42 AM

fonebone77: Having said that. You jackasses who are using this as a soap box to preach your disdain for sports and its fans are just as twisted as the PSU fans sticking up for these people. We get it. You hate anything but sitting around your local (non starbucks cause thats too mainstream) coffeehouse sipping your double sugar chocolate vanilla toffee coffee bashing everyone that is beneath you.


Way to miss the point. You just don't get it. I'm not upset at Penn St. because I hate sports, I'm pissed at them because I love sports. College football Saturdays in my home are wonderful- my bride and I are fans of different schools, but we each wear our colors proudly. If my alma mater's playing a home game, I'll most likely be in attendance. Otherwise we'll be watching a few televised games.

But where the Penn St. folks lose all semblance of sanity is when they forget that, at the end of the day, this is about entertainment. They want to defend a man who committed a monstrous act because his team won football games. As has been said earlier, if JoePa had done the right thing in 1998 and made sure Sandusky was prosecuted- and in a place like State College, he easily could have- it would have only added to his reputation. We'd be saying "Damn, JoePa was a man of integrity. When he found out that the man who was his obvious successor was engaging in heinous acts, he immediately made sure that justice was served." Instead... well, you know.

So I'm not pissed because I hate sports. I'm pissed because I love sports, and this shiat makes that more difficult for me. "Oh, you're a college football fan? You're probably part of a personality cult. Your idols just haven't been caught... yet."

fark Penn State.
 
2012-07-22 11:06:35 AM
President Rodney Erikson said the statue will be stored "in a secure location."

Ironic how the statue will be more safe and secure than the kiddies JoePa's good buddy, Jerry Sandusky, brought to the shower rooms to fark isn't it? Why not place the statue right next to another fake Pennsylvania sports legend -- the Rocky statue?
 
2012-07-22 11:07:24 AM

Matthew Keene: How would this look in JoPa's place?

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I'm gonna go with "rapier"...
 
2012-07-22 11:07:56 AM

Wile_E._Quixote: Now if they could just remove Sandusky as permanently.

/...and some "students" are still defending him?
//Not even defending, just claiming he doesnt deserve this.
///The're wrong - he deserved this and so much more


Those students are probably also pedophiles.
 
2012-07-22 11:08:16 AM

gblive: It would be nice if the NCAA announcement on Monday includes the requirement that Paterno's and Sandusky's names / likeness must be removed from any structure on campus and from the sponsorship of any campus event.


I hope so. And honestly, I find it hard that there's no legalese around naming buildings so that a university is on the hook when something like this goes down. Seems incredibly short-sighted. Then again, Penn State could probably have Paterno's family try to sue over the endowment and wait them out. I don't think the family is going to be flush with cash considering the civil suits have yet to begin.
 
2012-07-22 11:08:21 AM

MAYORBOB: President Rodney Erikson said the statue will be stored "in a secure location."

Ironic how the statue will be more safe and secure than the kiddies JoePa's good buddy, Jerry Sandusky, brought to the shower rooms to fark isn't it? Why not place the statue right next to another fake Pennsylvania sports legend -- the Rocky statue?


I like the idea someone else had in the previous thread: put the statue into a urinal trough in the football stadium.
 
2012-07-22 11:09:29 AM

Gonz: fonebone77: Having said that. You jackasses who are using this as a soap box to preach your disdain for sports and its fans are just as twisted as the PSU fans sticking up for these people. We get it. You hate anything but sitting around your local (non starbucks cause thats too mainstream) coffeehouse sipping your double sugar chocolate vanilla toffee coffee bashing everyone that is beneath you.

Way to miss the point. You just don't get it. I'm not upset at Penn St. because I hate sports, I'm pissed at them because I love sports. College football Saturdays in my home are wonderful- my bride and I are fans of different schools, but we each wear our colors proudly. If my alma mater's playing a home game, I'll most likely be in attendance. Otherwise we'll be watching a few televised games.

But where the Penn St. folks lose all semblance of sanity is when they forget that, at the end of the day, this is about entertainment. They want to defend a man who committed a monstrous act because his team won football games. As has been said earlier, if JoePa had done the right thing in 1998 and made sure Sandusky was prosecuted- and in a place like State College, he easily could have- it would have only added to his reputation. We'd be saying "Damn, JoePa was a man of integrity. When he found out that the man who was his obvious successor was engaging in heinous acts, he immediately made sure that justice was served." Instead... well, you know.

So I'm not pissed because I hate sports. I'm pissed because I love sports, and this shiat makes that more difficult for me. "Oh, you're a college football fan? You're probably part of a personality cult. Your idols just haven't been caught... yet."

fark Penn State.


You arent the type of person im even referencing. Hating on joepa and the psu asses that did this is totally legit. Im talking to the pansy asses that keep going on about the "culture of sports" and its evils. Basically the "stop liking what i dont like" crowd.
 
2012-07-22 11:10:10 AM

Vodka Zombie: PunGent: Yeah...I don't know about anyone else, but I wouldn't be defending the coverup of a death, either.

You've obviously never seen Road House.


Err...been quite awhile...remind me?
 
2012-07-22 11:10:47 AM

Guntram Shatterhand: gblive: It would be nice if the NCAA announcement on Monday includes the requirement that Paterno's and Sandusky's names / likeness must be removed from any structure on campus and from the sponsorship of any campus event.

I hope so. And honestly, I find it hard that there's no legalese around naming buildings so that a university is on the hook when something like this goes down. Seems incredibly short-sighted. Then again, Penn State could probably have Paterno's family try to sue over the endowment and wait them out. I don't think the family is going to be flush with cash considering the civil suits have yet to begin.


As I recall, JoePa negotiated his last contract when he knew he was dying and the walls were coming down and made sure his estate got millions of bucks. True, those millions will eventually go to Paterno's victims.
 
2012-07-22 11:11:59 AM
If the reports of "unprecedented action" are right, that would mean the punishment against Penn State would be more far reaching than the death penalty handed down to SMU in the 80s:

-One season cancelled, including practices (they were allowed to play away games to keep from punishing other schools, but elected not to)
-Bowl and TV ban
-Major loss in scholarships and restrictions on the number of coaches hired
-Recruiting restrictions

The ban on SMU effectively crippled their program (and, some argue, their conference), to a point where the NCAA actually said later that they regretted being so harsh. But SMUs violations, while egregious and systemic, were of the "paying players to play" variety. Systemic child molestation, including an untold number of employees covering it up, from the President to the janitorial staff, could easily warrant stronger action.

/I'm OK with this
 
2012-07-22 11:13:43 AM

Prank Call of Cthulhu: A moment later, a man in the crowd started a "We are Penn State" chant.


I don't know what the "We are Penn State" chant is, but I bet it involves rhythmic slap-slap-slapping sounds.


we are farmers
bum da dum dum dum dum dum!!

bestoregonquotes.com
 
2012-07-22 11:13:52 AM

Vodka Zombie: PunGent: Yeah...I don't know about anyone else, but I wouldn't be defending the coverup of a death, either.

You've obviously never seen Road House.


I wanted to, but a polar bear fell on me.
 
2012-07-22 11:14:55 AM
After the Freeh report, was there really any doubt that the statue would come down?

It had to be done. It was a foregone conclusion.
 
2012-07-22 11:14:59 AM

Mean Daddy: This doesn't strike anyone of being Leninesque and I don't mean John Lennon. Remove people from pictures, official records etc.


Unfortunately, Paterno's legacy will live on for decades in the mental trauma caused by the rape he facilitated. Don't worry. Paterno will be remembered for all of the damage he did to the victims, Penn State and human dignity.
 
2012-07-22 11:15:29 AM

PunGent: Vodka Zombie: PunGent: Yeah...I don't know about anyone else, but I wouldn't be defending the coverup of a death, either.

You've obviously never seen Road House.

Err...been quite awhile...remind me?


The end. Everyone's dead, and the cops ask if anyone saw anything.

No one did.
 
2012-07-22 11:16:05 AM

Pappas: If the reports of "unprecedented action" are right, that would mean the punishment against Penn State would be more far reaching than the death penalty handed down to SMU in the 80s:

-One season cancelled, including practices (they were allowed to play away games to keep from punishing other schools, but elected not to)
-Bowl and TV ban
-Major loss in scholarships and restrictions on the number of coaches hired
-Recruiting restrictions

The ban on SMU effectively crippled their program (and, some argue, their conference), to a point where the NCAA actually said later that they regretted being so harsh. But SMUs violations, while egregious and systemic, were of the "paying players to play" variety. Systemic child molestation, including an untold number of employees covering it up, from the President to the janitorial staff, could easily warrant stronger action.

/I'm OK with this


I bet the Penn State football program will be a memory on Monday. Examples must be made, and I wouldn't be surprised if this is the kind of shiat that bans a football program for a century or two.
 
2012-07-22 11:17:28 AM
The NCAA rules tomorrow. The statue goes away today. The locals for some reason don't realize that the school needs to tuck it all in and hope they aren't hit too hard.
 
2012-07-22 11:23:48 AM

Satanic_Hamster: God I hate sports fans. Scum will defend anything if it's "their team."


You pretty much just described the state of American politics these days as well.

Day_Old_Dutchie: Prank Call of Cthulhu: They'll need a new statue in its place.
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Not much different, really.


Proof that religion is more powerful than sports. If the same standards were applied in both cases, the Catholic Church would also get the death penalty.
 
2012-07-22 11:24:00 AM
Called it. Good on them. Now put Tressel's book on winning the right way in one hand, DickRod's contract from UM in the other, stick it on a cart, and wheel it to every Rose Bowl for the next ten generations as a warning that maintaining your legacy at all costs comes with too high a price.

Can't believe TFA's writer couldn't find one or two onlookers who believed this was a good thing. Your modern media, folks.

Soonerpsycho: [soonerpsycho.com image 382x846]


Its too early on a weekend to get me laughing that loud.
 
2012-07-22 11:24:18 AM
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foosball is the devil
 
2012-07-22 11:27:33 AM
Not sure about 'unprecedented'. Could be CBS talking out of their rear, could be Penn State falling on its sword. NCAA didn't even drop any NOI on them yet.
 
2012-07-22 11:27:39 AM
The fact that he died proves that he was guilty.
 
2012-07-22 11:27:39 AM

wumpus: The NCAA rules tomorrow. The statue goes away today. The locals for some reason don't realize that the school needs to tuck it all in and hope they aren't hit too hard.


I'm thinking it's going to be pretty vicious if the NCAA is already throwing around words like "unprecedented" and "consistent with previous sanctions."

In SMU's player payment scandal, it was a bit of a crime, but it's hard to really find a victim in it all.

With Penn State?

Whooo... You've got a lot of victims. There are felonies involved. What was done is reprehensible and, sadly, an all-too current crime in our society that every normal person would rightly condemn instead of covering up. If the NCAA wants to protect its reputation and display some level of fairness, this should easily spell the death of Penn State football (and maybe ALL of Penn State athletics).

An example is going to be made.
 
2012-07-22 11:30:23 AM

Landis: Call me a vindictive jerk if you want, but I'd like to see two things... 1) A ruling that Penn State did violate the Cleary Act with the penalty of losing all federal funding


Is this something that the NCAA would be pursuing, or would it be the result of a federal case? Has there been any movement on a decision about their compliance with the Cleary Act at all?
 
2012-07-22 11:34:44 AM

NeoCortex42: Landis: Call me a vindictive jerk if you want, but I'd like to see two things... 1) A ruling that Penn State did violate the Cleary Act with the penalty of losing all federal funding

Is this something that the NCAA would be pursuing, or would it be the result of a federal case? Has there been any movement on a decision about their compliance with the Cleary Act at all?


That would be a purely Federal thing and I haven't heard or read anything about it yet, but I am sure that the DOJ is at a minimum taking a cursory look at this.
 
2012-07-22 11:35:50 AM

Pyro Messiah: Everytime I hear that "WE ARE" shiat I get all stabby


WE ARE VR troopers!
 
2012-07-22 11:37:26 AM
ESPN is reporting (at least on the bottom line) that the punishment will likely not be the "death penalty." there will probably be loss of bowls and scholarships, as well as "non-traditional" punishments, but not the death penalty.
 
2012-07-22 11:38:36 AM

HoleChicken: ESPN is reporting (at least on the bottom line) that the punishment will likely not be the "death penalty." there will probably be loss of bowls and scholarships, as well as "non-traditional" punishments, but not the death penalty.


Ummm...so they'll get the same punishments Ohio State received for free tattoos and autograph fees?
 
2012-07-22 11:39:05 AM
What point is there in punishing the university or the football program? Fire everybody even remotely connected to this and move on with new leadership. There's no reason that the students, fans and community should suffer for this scandal.
 
2012-07-22 11:39:31 AM
 
2012-07-22 11:40:42 AM

gimmegimme: HoleChicken: ESPN is reporting (at least on the bottom line) that the punishment will likely not be the "death penalty." there will probably be loss of bowls and scholarships, as well as "non-traditional" punishments, but not the death penalty.

Ummm...so they'll get the same punishments Ohio State received for free tattoos and autograph fees?


This. Its nice to know enabling kiddie rape is worth X amount of bowls and scholarships, but we'll see what else they have in store tomorrow morning.
 
2012-07-22 11:40:56 AM
You people will worship anything. It's truly scary. I don't know if its genetic or cultural, but you're all too ready to eschew your logic just for a little feeling of belonging. It's so tribal it makes me vomit.
 
2012-07-22 11:41:37 AM

gimmegimme: HoleChicken: ESPN is reporting (at least on the bottom line) that the punishment will likely not be the "death penalty." there will probably be loss of bowls and scholarships, as well as "non-traditional" punishments, but not the death penalty.

Ummm...so they'll get the same punishments Ohio State received for free tattoos and autograph fees?


Well, apparently Emmert has been authorized to use "non-traditional methods" to punish PSU. I'm wondering if they'll have to give all profits to the victims or remove Paterno's name from everything.
 
2012-07-22 11:41:44 AM

veedeevadeevoodee: A source told CBS News correspondent Armen Keteyian that Penn State will face "unprecedented" penalties when the NCAA announces what it called "corrective and punitive measures for The Pennsylvania State University" at a press conference at 9 a.m. Monday.

"I've never seen anything like it," the source told Keteyian, indicating that both the football program and the school itself would face sanctions.


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2012-07-22 11:42:00 AM

HoleChicken: ESPN is reporting (at least on the bottom line) that the punishment will likely not be the "death penalty." there will probably be loss of bowls and scholarships, as well as "non-traditional" punishments, but not the death penalty.


Then it is a half measure and not nearly severe enough, if in fact that report is correct. Final analysis will, of course, occur after tomorrow morning.

Still, I don't think PSU will get the death penalty now despite deserving it. It would be too close to an admission that BIG TIME COLLEGE FOOTBALL cultures in NCAA member schools are creepy, zealot-filled bases of power.
 
2012-07-22 11:43:17 AM

consider this: What point is there in punishing the university or the football program? Fire everybody even remotely connected to this and move on with new leadership. There's no reason that the students, fans and community should suffer for this scandal.


Really? It's not obvious to you that many folks at Penn State don't understand what JoePa and the administration did wrong? You can't see that the brainwashed cult of personality around the football program was the REASON CHILDREN WERE RAPED and the reason it took at least more than a decade for the child rapist to be locked up? Penn State football must be punished so those students, fans and community members will no longer be in thrall to the evil that lingers.

Construction vehicles and police arrived shortly after dawn Sunday, barricading the street and sidewalks near the statue, erecting a chain-link fence then concealing the statue with a blue tarp. Many of those watching stared in disbelief, and at least one woman wept, while others expressed anger at the decision.

"I think it was an act of cowardice on the part of the university," Mary Trometter of Williamsport, who wore a shirt bearing Joe Paterno's image. She said she felt betrayed by university officials, saying they promised openness but said nothing about the decision until just before the removal work began.


///Why the fark were people around the statue at dawn on a Sunday?
 
2012-07-22 11:43:50 AM
Reading the comments in the USAToday article is truely sickening. People who think the Freeh report is pure gossip and are waiting for their own "independent" investigation to occur. My god, there's even copies of Paterno's emails in the Freeh report and these people think they are fake.
 
2012-07-22 11:44:07 AM
Anonymous sources claim "the Death Penalty might be preferable." Uh, I don't think they get what the point of the Death Penalty in this circumstance is supposed to accomplish. Even if they make Penn St football god awful terrible for years, it won't matter, b/c the football religious zealots will still be around and coming out for games. If the cult worships a false god, causing terrible consequences, you have to tear down the church.
 
2012-07-22 11:46:56 AM

consider this: What point is there in punishing the university or the football program? Fire everybody even remotely connected to this and move on with new leadership. There's no reason that the students, fans and community should suffer for this scandal.


The reason for punishing the program is that it's not just the individual people that made this happen, but also the idea that the program should be placed above all else. You even see it in the students responding to how the statue shouldn't even be moved. There needs to be a severe enough penalty to remind people that while college football can be a great thing, in the end it is still only a game. Other schools that may face similar decisions about reporting crimes in the future shouldn't even think about if it hurts the image of the program too much to report criminal acts to the police.
 
2012-07-22 11:47:32 AM

NeoCortex42: Landis: Call me a vindictive jerk if you want, but I'd like to see two things... 1) A ruling that Penn State did violate the Cleary Act with the penalty of losing all federal funding

Is this something that the NCAA would be pursuing, or would it be the result of a federal case? Has there been any movement on a decision about their compliance with the Cleary Act at all?


Prosecution under the Cleary Act would be the government, specifically the Department of Education. I haven't seen much movement on it, just that they're investigating.
 
2012-07-22 11:47:49 AM

HoleChicken: ESPN is reporting speculating (at least on the bottom line) that the punishment will likely not be the "death penalty." there will probably be loss of bowls and scholarships, as well as "non-traditional" punishments, but not the death penalty.


FTFY
 
2012-07-22 11:49:56 AM

BarkingUnicorn: HoleChicken: ESPN is reporting speculating (at least on the bottom line) that the punishment will likely not be the "death penalty." there will probably be loss of bowls and scholarships, as well as "non-traditional" punishments, but not the death penalty.

FTFY


I'm watching the Open, and it's been a while since they last ran it, but they were citing anonymous sources.
 
2012-07-22 11:50:49 AM

consider this: What point is there in punishing the university or the football program? Fire everybody even remotely connected to this and move on with new leadership. There's no reason that the students, fans and community should suffer for this scandal.


How many times in every Saint Joe thread are we going to have this same exact pile of fail?

Either its trying to reason someone out of something they didn't reason themselves into, or I should be posting more Alan Keyes and Captain Barbossa.
 
2012-07-22 11:51:30 AM

Landis: NeoCortex42: Landis: Call me a vindictive jerk if you want, but I'd like to see two things... 1) A ruling that Penn State did violate the Cleary Act with the penalty of losing all federal funding

Is this something that the NCAA would be pursuing, or would it be the result of a federal case? Has there been any movement on a decision about their compliance with the Cleary Act at all?

Prosecution under the Cleary Act would be the government, specifically the Department of Education. I haven't seen much movement on it, just that they're investigating.


You're not seeing much because you all are misspelling "Clery".
 
2012-07-22 11:53:21 AM

gimmegimme:
///Why the fark were people around the statue at dawn on a Sunday?


Weren't there people already there to "protect" it from removal? They called their buddies?

Random drunks still out from Saturday night partying?

Alternatively, State College is such a small place that you can't do anything without all the neighbours coming out to see? (Something like the block I live on and my neighbours?).
 
2012-07-22 11:53:53 AM
This is just like that Clive Barker book "The Thief of Always"
 
2012-07-22 11:55:28 AM

gimmegimme: HoleChicken: ESPN is reporting (at least on the bottom line) that the punishment will likely not be the "death penalty." there will probably be loss of bowls and scholarships, as well as "non-traditional" punishments, but not the death penalty.

Ummm...so they'll get the same punishments Ohio State received for free tattoos and autograph fees?


That would be total bullshiat. Penn State deserves the Death Penalty to End All Death Penalties.
 
2012-07-22 11:56:02 AM

NeoCortex42: The reason for punishing the program is that it's not just the individual people that made this happen, but also the idea that the program should be placed above all else.


That idea has nothing to do with the students, fans and community. A kid who worked their ass off to get a scholarship to play football shouldn't have that taken away from them. A business owner who relies on the dollars brought in by football fans flooding the area shouldn't lose out on that revenue. A fan that likes to root for his team shouldn't have that enjoyment taken away from them. Fire everybody, levy fines and then let them move on and prepare for the 2012 football season.
 
2012-07-22 11:58:16 AM

consider this: NeoCortex42: The reason for punishing the program is that it's not just the individual people that made this happen, but also the idea that the program should be placed above all else.

That idea has nothing to do with the students, fans and community. A kid who worked their ass off to get a scholarship to play football shouldn't have that taken away from them. A business owner who relies on the dollars brought in by football fans flooding the area shouldn't lose out on that revenue. A fan that likes to root for his team shouldn't have that enjoyment taken away from them. Fire everybody, levy fines and then let them move on and prepare for the 2012 football season.


Sandusky's family shouldn't have him taken away from him either blah blah blah.

Same fail, different thread. At least Carlos Mencia can steal new material.
 
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