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2012-07-22 10:00:13 AM  

Animatronik: OKObserver: The NCAA death penalty against Penn State is gaining traction. The penalty, I believe, will eliminate their football program for at least one year, maybe more. This would only be the 2nd time it's ever been done.

Well they have rules and those rules were broken. A witness to a felony of the worst kind was silenced by the coach and effective head of the program. The University looked the other way for the sake of the almighty dollar.

I doubt that PSU is the only university capable of an ethical lapse of this magnitude, so they will use PSU to send a message. And part of that message will go to the students and alumni who seem to forget that college sports are not worth a god damn next to the safety of a single child. Not even close. The same holds true for every other football program and everything else going on there.

PSU alumni need to get the message loud and clear, and they clearly haven't, so hard times are coming....


I should have said 'it appears that' before saying a witness was silenced. All we know for sure is that a graphic sex act was witnessed and something was reported to Paterno. Thats all we need to know to know that it was unethical.
 
2012-07-22 10:00:19 AM  
Here's why they're not taking his name off of the library....(From Wikipedia, so you know it's true).

Paterno Library

In 1983, as Penn State football coach Joe Paterno was being honored for his first national championship, he gave a speech challenging the university's Board of Trustees to make Penn State number one in academics as well as athletics. He specifically targeted the need for a top-quality library, stating, "Without a great library, you can't have a great university."[4] In 1993, he and his wife Sue began a campaign which raised $13.75 million for the construction of a new library. The groundbreaking for the library, named the Paterno Library in their honor, took place in April 1997. Paterno has also donated several million of his own money towards the library.


It's all about money. There's probably legal language around the donation stipulating Paterno's name on the library in exchange for the donation(s). If they take it off......they may have to give the money back.

If Penn State wanted to show REAL integrity, they'd write a check to the Paterno estate (and any other donors associated with the fundraising campaign).....and start pulling the letters down today.
 
2012-07-22 10:00:53 AM  

FriarReb98: You people need farking lives, or a bj, or a shiatload of sedatives and therapy. None of you would have the balls to go up to a Penn State fan or football player and say half the shiat you're saying in person.


I really hope that someday you can get some perspective and realize how unimportant the things you are defending are. Over-inflated importance afforded to a football program is what demanded the coverup in the first place, that importance is what the world still sees happening at PSU and it is why we don't care if you have a hissy fit when punishment is handed down.
 
2012-07-22 10:01:45 AM  
This doesn't strike anyone of being Leninesque and I don't mean John Lennon. Remove people from pictures, official records etc.
 
2012-07-22 10:01:50 AM  

Cloudchaser Sakonige the Red Wolf: Why is there so much hate being directed at Paterno and not the admins who also participated in the cover-up? And why wipe Paterno from the school's history, thus ignoring the good things he achieved?


I'm not sure about your point. They're only removing Paterno's statue. All the others apparently have been "wiped from the school's history" -- not only are their statues gone, even the memory of those statues has been erased from every mind.
 
2012-07-22 10:01:51 AM  
I'd love to have that for my back yard, if they're not gonna use it anywhere else.
 
2012-07-22 10:01:57 AM  

Yanks_RSJ: FriarReb98: None of you would have the balls to go up to a Penn State fan or football player and say half the shiat you're saying in person.

"You wouldn't say something that you know would result in a physical confrontation, so therefore your opinion is invalid" - dumb logic.

I wouldn't say it to a Penn State fan because they've proven to be deranged zealots who cannot be reasoned with, and I don't like wasting my time arguing with morons. As the saying goes, only a fool argues with an idiot.

I wouldn't say it to a Penn State football player because it's dumb to provoke someone who could very easily kick my ass.


Exactly, no need to get punched in the face, let them punch each other over it.
 
2012-07-22 10:02:32 AM  

NeoCortex42: what about players that are there on an athletic scholarship at the moment?


they'll be free to go to other schools to play without being subject to the NCAA's usual rules about transferring.
 
2012-07-22 10:04:15 AM  

topcon: I'd love to have that for my back yard, if they're not gonna use it anywhere else.


Me too. They recently ran sewer service out our way, and I'll be needing fill material for the septic tank.
 
2012-07-22 10:06:44 AM  
So if I got this straight. Not going to the police based off of what one person said is a horrific crime but naming admitted rapists on twitter is a crime worthy of jail. Thanks for clearing that up
 
2012-07-22 10:07:58 AM  
the notion that these are supposed to be places of learning, not glorified screening programs for the professional sports teams.
.... and the only way they're getting into school is via an athletic scholarship.

There is the problem. This should have been banned years ago. Academic scholarships would benifit the entire country. Why send an idiot to college?
 
2012-07-22 10:09:20 AM  

Mean Daddy: This doesn't strike anyone of being Leninesque and I don't mean John Lennon. Remove people from pictures, official records etc.


Not really. More like when Lenin's statue was toppled 20 years ago!
 
2012-07-22 10:09:48 AM  

Mean Daddy: This doesn't strike anyone of being Leninesque and I don't mean John Lennon. Remove people from pictures, official records etc.


That's actually an interesting take on this issue. Maybe the administration thinks that if they remove the statue, it'll make people forget that anything happened.

I'm surprised there aren't more folks objecting on that basis.
 
2012-07-22 10:09:49 AM  

WhyteRaven74: NeoCortex42: what about players that are there on an athletic scholarship at the moment?

they'll be free to go to other schools to play without being subject to the NCAA's usual rules about transferring.


That's good. The collateral damage of shutting down the program of Penn State sucks, but I think it's necessary for the NCAA to send a message that this sort of thing shouldn't be tolerated.
 
2012-07-22 10:12:35 AM  

jfarkinB: Mean Daddy: This doesn't strike anyone of being Leninesque and I don't mean John Lennon. Remove people from pictures, official records etc.

That's actually an interesting take on this issue. Maybe the administration thinks that if they remove the statue, it'll make people forget that anything happened.

I'm surprised there aren't more folks objecting on that basis.


I think there's a difference between removing him from history and removing tributes to him.

This is one of the main reasons I really hate the idea of schools naming things after people who are either still with the school or very recently retired. They should be honoring a legacy after its stood around for a bit.
 
2012-07-22 10:13:16 AM  

Day_Old_Dutchie: Prank Call of Cthulhu: They'll need a new statue in its place.

[www.ngngsports.com image 383x640]

[img14.imageshack.us image 800x600]

Not much different, really.


Good point. For a lot of people, Football is a religion....

/ sees what you did there
 
2012-07-22 10:16:09 AM  
A moment later, a man in the crowd started a "We are Penn State" chant.

You. Farking. Weirdos.
 
2012-07-22 10:16:50 AM  

Brother_Mouzone: That's some good PR Lou. Do in on the slowest news day of the week where no one is paying attention, and right during the massive coverage of Aurora movie shooting.


It's a good way to avoid angry crowds and chaos, that's for sure. I'm OK with that.

NeoCortex42: So assuming the football program gets shut down (which I think it should be), what about players that are there on an athletic scholarship at the moment? Would they lose their financial assistance? They'll obviously lose their chance to demonstrate their skills in order to be drafted by the NFL. Would they just be up a creek?


The NCAA has another rule: if you're on an athletic scholarship and transfer to another school, you lose the scholarship for one year. There've already been calls to waive that rule for PSU players who want to transfer.
 
2012-07-22 10:17:14 AM  

NeoCortex42: Pontious Pilates: Some Farker said it in an earlier Sandoosky thread and it really resonated with me... This is why grown-ups shouldn't have heroes.

The JoePalogists quoted in TFA sound like complete nimrods. Suck it up, people. Your hero done farked up. Big time. The higher we put mortals on a pedestal, the farther they have to fall.

A lot of the student body and school supporters just don't seem to get it. They think their football program and a winning career makes up for anything. This just seems like more reason for the NCAA to give the football program the death penalty for a few years. Maybe then the seriousness of what happened will actually become clear to these people.


I don't think it will, and that's truly pathetic.
 
2012-07-22 10:17:34 AM  

NeoCortex42: I think there's a difference between removing him from history and removing tributes to him.


Also what Lenin was doing was altering things to fit his narrative. This is removing something because it turns out reality doesn't fit what it stood for.
 
2012-07-22 10:20:25 AM  

Pontious Pilates: Pathman: [www.freeimagehosting.net image 620x410]

Please come to prize headquarters tomorrow AM to claim your free Internet.


:-)
 
2012-07-22 10:21:57 AM  

BarkingUnicorn: The NCAA has another rule: if you're on an athletic scholarship and transfer to another school, you lose the scholarship for one year. There've already been calls to waive that rule for PSU players who want to transfer.


If the football program is punished by the NCAA I'm sure they'll waive the rule for everyone.
 
2012-07-22 10:22:04 AM  
Another part of the monument from which the statue was removed was this quote from JoePa:

"They ask me what I'd like written about me when I'm gone, I hope they write I made Penn State a better place not just that I was a good football coach."

I guess we need to define "better place" - it certainly has more money... but the taint of the Sandusky trial might make some people wonder if the endowment is worth it. I don't think that what Sandusky did makes everyone at Penn State a kiddydiddler, but face it - I'd rather be associated with a small lesser known college than a big rich University that covered up child rape for the sake of the almighty dollar. I'm still stunned that those people defending JoePa can't see this.

And the fact that he regularly talked about "character" as though he cared about it... that leaves me speechless.
 
2012-07-22 10:23:58 AM  
"There is Nothing More Frightful than Ignorance in Action."

Aint' it the truth?
 
2012-07-22 10:25:55 AM  
I don't get it. 'movin' again'? Did he move somewhere before? Is it some obscure reference to Sandusky?
 
2012-07-22 10:26:09 AM  

Satanic_Hamster: God I hate sports fans. Scum will defend anything if it's "their team."


I don't think it's any secret where I stand regarding college football; there's no way I would ever defend Alabama in a situation like this. It's truly sickening to see that there are actually people doing that.
 
2012-07-22 10:26:39 AM  
We were actually hoping to get one last shot," Yeager said. "It's a very sad day."

Ha
 
2012-07-22 10:28:04 AM  
They are just putting the 900 pound statute into storage.

I wish they would melt the statute down and sell the metal and donate the funds to a anti-child abuse charity.
 
2012-07-22 10:29:47 AM  
It would be nice if the NCAA announcement on Monday includes the requirement that Paterno's and Sandusky's names / likeness must be removed from any structure on campus and from the sponsorship of any campus event.
 
2012-07-22 10:31:21 AM  

Cloudchaser Sakonige the Red Wolf: HectorSchwartz: Serves him right. Rot in hell, Joe.

Why is there so much hate being directed at Paterno and not the admins who also participated in the cover-up?


Perhaps it's because the admins don't have a statue like Paterno has. Perhaps it's because the admins don't have Paterno's cult-like following which still refuses to acknowledge the whole of the man's actions. Perhaps it's because outside of a small pocket of alternate reality in a small part of Pennsylvania, many people cannot understand how anyone can still defend or downplay Paterno's involvement. All of these things create the hate, I think.

And why wipe Paterno from the school's history, thus ignoring the good things he achieved?

I don't think that will happen, but maybe it will just become actual history and not gospel. Fine, Paterno was a great football coach. But in a moment when he had the chance to save innocent children from a horrible fate with nothing more than a word, he instead chose to remain silent to protect a college football program and thus became something less than a great man.
 
2012-07-22 10:33:51 AM  
www.cbssports.com
www.jibsports.com
www.jdemirdjian.com
i.cdn.turner.com
blogs.ajc.com
www.thelantern.com

/ same CULTure problem, different locations
 
2012-07-22 10:33:59 AM  
A statue is a real easy target. I'd like to see some of the Board get some prison time. I'm sure they are all feeling pretty happy that everyone is focusing on the statue.
 
2012-07-22 10:34:27 AM  

Freak: Penn Stater's losing their minds.


From your link:
"This scandal is as much an issue about PSU football as the Colorado massacre is about Batman."

(whispering) These folks be cray cray!

/Stay classy Penn State
 
2012-07-22 10:36:25 AM  
How would this look in JoPa's place?

3.bp.blogspot.com
 
2012-07-22 10:39:28 AM  
It's a good move. It's symbolic of the culture shift. PSU's not pretending anything or rewriting history, they're just making Paterno's legacy a human legacy instead of a God legacy.

I live in PA where people who do not have college degrees have Penn State tattoos. It's creepy, really. Culty. The takedown is necessary.
 
2012-07-22 10:41:59 AM  

FriarReb98: Lost Thought 00: No one was this extreme when a coach actively covered up when his star player murdered another teammate down in texas a while ago.

This. I'm fairly convinced that if this had happened at, say, Troy University (which would be fitting, if you ask me), no one would care half as much, and most wouldn't care at all. It's like the high profile of it has made it that much more trollbait or something.

I'm sure you'll all come hating down on me, saying I support kid rapists and those who cover them up, but I don't. (I'm also sure the preceding line will be edited from any and all quotes of me.) I just think people are getting far too wrapped up in this and just want to hate, scream and avenge, and don't care what has been done legally or otherwise to those involved. I mean, for Christ's sake, you're screaming about "getting" a dead man, a convicted felon and a bunch of people who have lost their jobs and credibility. They have absolutely nothing to do with the team anymore.

And hating on the fans? Apparently every last fan of Penn State is now a kiddy-diddler in the minds of you trolls. Hell, for all I know, by just posting this I've now farked twelve kids myself in your minds. I'm also pretty convinced you'd also want to support those at your personal alma maters that weren't involved in something like this too, and not feel the slightest bit hypocritical about it.

You people need farking lives, or a bj, or a shiatload of sedatives and therapy. None of you would have the balls to go up to a Penn State fan or football player and say half the shiat you're saying in person.

Go ahead, hate on me. I'm done with this thread.


Sweet sassy molassy. People like you are friggin' amazing.
 
2012-07-22 10:43:27 AM  
I was surprised to learn the damn thing was up in the first place. Usually, you erect statues to particular people because they're dead and you wish to honor them. From what I understand, Paterno was not only still alive but still working for the university when his statue went up. Kinda cultish behavior, that.
 
2012-07-22 10:45:12 AM  

FriarReb98: It's like the high profile of it has made it that much more trollbait or something.


I think it's mostly Ohio fans.
 
2012-07-22 10:45:20 AM  

Freak: Penn Stater's losing their minds.


Eesh...some weapons-grade crazy in there. Guess football really IS a religion for some people.
 
2012-07-22 10:45:25 AM  
Joe reputation deserves to be destroyed. Everyone involved that covered it up should go to prison.

Having said that. You jackasses who are using this as a soap box to preach your disdain for sports and its fans are just as twisted as the PSU fans sticking up for these people. We get it. You hate anything but sitting around your local (non starbucks cause thats too mainstream) coffeehouse sipping your double sugar chocolate vanilla toffee coffee bashing everyone that is beneath you.
 
2012-07-22 10:48:27 AM  

fonebone77: Joe reputation deserves to be destroyed. Everyone involved that covered it up should go to prison.

Having said that. You jackasses who are using this as a soap box to preach your disdain for sports and its fans are just as twisted as the PSU fans sticking up for these people. We get it. You hate anything but sitting around your local (non starbucks cause thats too mainstream) coffeehouse sipping your double sugar chocolate vanilla toffee coffee bashing everyone that is beneath you.


Actually I like to put bath salts up my butt and sit at home alone and bash everyone beneath me.
 
2012-07-22 10:49:37 AM  

Cloudchaser Sakonige the Red Wolf: HectorSchwartz: Serves him right. Rot in hell, Joe.

Why is there so much hate being directed at Paterno and not the admins who also participated in the cover-up? And why wipe Paterno from the school's history, thus ignoring the good things he achieved?


As to your first question, I'd guess it's because the admins are relatively faceless bureaucrats...nobody knows or cares who they are.

As to the second question, I'd guess they're just trying to erase the ENTIRE chapter of history, to put everything behind them so they can move forward.

Hard to separate the one from the other, now.
 
2012-07-22 10:51:12 AM  
I have a message for all the Penn State students quoted in the press defending Paterno...

You potential future employers read the news also --> You will never get a job.
 
2012-07-22 10:51:12 AM  

FriarReb98: And hating on the fans? Apparently every last fan of Penn State is now a kiddy-diddler in the minds of you trolls.


No, but they seem to really support those who cover up and protect the kiddy-diddlers, and there's a term for those sorts of people:

Accomplices.

That said, JoePa WAS a nice enough man, but his priorities, and the priorities of the school's administration, were absolutely farked up. The fact that students are willing to forgive these crimes solely because they love their football team more than they hate the rapist his accomplices they employed is really sick.
 
2012-07-22 10:51:15 AM  
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2012-07-22 10:51:47 AM  

IlGreven: UNC_Samurai: IlGreven: Nothing but symbolism. Nothing but another chance for the witch-hunters to take pot shots at people who dare have an opinion different from theirs.

That was about as productive a troll as Blair Thomas' career.

...but think about it. If the crime JoePa was covering up was anything non-sexual, you would not be here. Hell, you might even be on his side depending on the crime (like, say, a hazing that went horribly wrong and left a student dead, for instance). And most people destroying JoePa didn't even know who the hell Sandusky was until the story broke. Those people are raging hypocrites of the highest caliber. And most of 'em are on Fark.


Yeah...I don't know about anyone else, but I wouldn't be defending the coverup of a death, either.

WTF is wrong with you?
 
2012-07-22 10:53:43 AM  

Lost Thought 00: IlGreven: ...but think about it. If the crime JoePa was covering up was anything non-sexual, you would not be here. Hell, you might even be on his side depending on the crime (like, say, a hazing that went horribly wrong and left a student dead, for instance).

No one was this extreme when a coach actively covered up when his star player murdered another teammate down in texas a while ago.


Really? that coach SHOULD be charged with accessory after the fact, and THAT program should get the "death penalty" too.

WTF is wrong with you football fanatics?
 
2012-07-22 10:54:28 AM  

PunGent: Yeah...I don't know about anyone else, but I wouldn't be defending the coverup of a death, either.


You've obviously never seen Road House.
 
2012-07-22 10:54:45 AM  

182: brb5f: Worked for Stalin, Lenin, and Hussein ... No one remembers those guys, right?

this.


I know *I* sure objected when they took down all the Nazi stuff in Germany after WWII. I mean, seriously, why didn't they just leave all that stuff up? All it's doing is erasing it from history.
 
2012-07-22 10:58:32 AM  

randomjsa: FTA: "I'm extremely disappointed with how they are doing it," Berkon said. "JoePa means the world to a lot of students, and they should have a right to be here."

WTF is wrong with you?

You're sorry that they're taking down the statue of a guy who turned a blind eye to a child rapist and feel like anything else he did made up for that fact?

This countries obsession with its organized sports has gone well past the point of reason and sanity.

I'm only sorry there's no such thing as a hell for this man to go to now that he's dead. I'm double damn sorry there's not one for Sandusky to go to.


You see, he coached football, that's important.
 
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