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2012-07-22 09:02:58 AM
A moment later, a man in the crowd started a "We are Penn State" chant. After it finished, another man yelled, "We love you, Joe."
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2012-07-22 09:05:13 AM
It's just another crime being committed

Stopped reading there. I hope there's a follow-up thread telling me when all the idiots have gone home and the grown-ups have started talking.
 
2012-07-22 09:05:14 AM

Freak: Penn Stater's losing their minds.


Good lord, it has all the calm and logical reasoning of a freeper thread.
 
2012-07-22 09:07:25 AM

IlGreven: Nothing but symbolism. Nothing but another chance for the witch-hunters to take pot shots at people who dare have an opinion different from theirs.


That was about as productive a troll as Blair Thomas' career.
 
2012-07-22 09:07:30 AM
Did they move the statue to the men's showers?
 
2012-07-22 09:07:35 AM

Silverstaff: It looks like at this point, on the Penn State campus and among their devoted fanbase, Joe Paterno is still worshipped as an idol, some kind of symbol of the perfect virtuous football coach. These people have been practically raised to see him as a sort of "Dear Leader" figure, except of a College Sports program and not a country.

To everyone else, everywhere else, he was a man who turned a blind eye to child abuse & molestation. Outside that little bubble in Pennsylvania, Joe Paterno's name is mud and will always be that way.

Funny thing is, he really did have a great reputation before this. If the Sandusky scandal hadn't broken, and he still died when he did, he would have been practically canonized by the entire college football community.


Or, if he had simply acted appropriately back in '98, or whenever he first heard of Sandusky's... predelicitons, I think it would have been another feather in his cap, an example of Doing Things The Right Way.
 
2012-07-22 09:07:55 AM
Send it to Ashton Kutchner.
 
2012-07-22 09:08:42 AM
varmitydog, that's perfect!
 
2012-07-22 09:09:58 AM

Freak: Penn Stater's losing their minds.


Looked like a pretty well reasoned discussion to me with most agreeing with the decision.
 
2012-07-22 09:10:54 AM

HectorSchwartz: Serves him right. Rot in hell, Joe.


Why is there so much hate being directed at Paterno and not the admins who also participated in the cover-up? And why wipe Paterno from the school's history, thus ignoring the good things he achieved?
 
2012-07-22 09:17:30 AM

Cloudchaser Sakonige the Red Wolf: HectorSchwartz: Serves him right. Rot in hell, Joe.

Why is there so much hate being directed at Paterno and not the admins who also participated in the cover-up? And why wipe Paterno from the school's history, thus ignoring the good things he achieved?


Because he covered up child rape for 14 years in the name of keeping up the school's, and his, image? What are you not understanding about this?
 
2012-07-22 09:18:16 AM
We should all just stop talking about this loser now. He was garbage and you do not speak of garbage which has gone to the curb.
Do not remember Joe Paterno.
 
2012-07-22 09:22:34 AM

randomjsa: FTA: "I'm extremely disappointed with how they are doing it," Berkon said. "JoePa means the world to a lot of students, and they should have a right to be here."

WTF is wrong with you?

You're sorry that they're taking down the statue of a guy who turned a blind eye to a child rapist and feel like anything else he did made up for that fact?

This countries obsession with its organized sports has gone well past the point of reason and sanity.

I'm only sorry there's no such thing as a hell for this man to go to now that he's dead. I'm double damn sorry there's not one for Sandusky to go to.


It's a strange day when I find myself in agreement with this guy.
 
2012-07-22 09:22:50 AM
The NCAA is shutting down the entire athletics programs, according to CBS
 
2012-07-22 09:22:58 AM
Hey look! A wonderfully vague article from a secret unnamed source promising death and destruction upon PSU and the PSU football program!
Link
 
2012-07-22 09:23:33 AM

UNC_Samurai: IlGreven: Nothing but symbolism. Nothing but another chance for the witch-hunters to take pot shots at people who dare have an opinion different from theirs.

That was about as productive a troll as Blair Thomas' career.


...but think about it. If the crime JoePa was covering up was anything non-sexual, you would not be here. Hell, you might even be on his side depending on the crime (like, say, a hazing that went horribly wrong and left a student dead, for instance). And most people destroying JoePa didn't even know who the hell Sandusky was until the story broke. Those people are raging hypocrites of the highest caliber. And most of 'em are on Fark.
 
2012-07-22 09:24:16 AM

ransack.: We should all just stop talking about this loser now. He was garbage and you do not speak of garbage which has gone to the curb.
Do not remember Joe Paterno.


...and then wonder how something like this could happen again when it inevitably does.

/Vigilance is hard. Vigilantism is easy.
 
2012-07-22 09:25:18 AM

Cloudchaser Sakonige the Red Wolf: HectorSchwartz: Serves him right. Rot in hell, Joe.

Why is there so much hate being directed at Paterno and not the admins who also participated in the cover-up? And why wipe Paterno from the school's history, thus ignoring the good things he achieved?


Hey, look! Another pedo heard from!

/Sadly, this is what most Farkers actually believe.
 
2012-07-22 09:26:15 AM
Call me a vindictive jerk if you want, but I'd like to see two things... 1) A ruling that Penn State did violate the Cleary Act with the penalty of losing all federal funding, and 2) The NCAA dropping a five-year banhammer on them.

Why? Because maybe then people will get it through their thick heads that sport is not the be-all, end-all of life. Maybe then people will start to actually punish athletes who commit crimes. Maybe, finally, they'll come back around to the notion that these are supposed to be places of learning, not glorified screening programs for the professional sports teams.

Well, probably not, but I can hope.

Now, don't get me wrong, I grew up in western PA and I know that some of these people are really bright and dirt poor, and the only way they're getting into school is via an athletic scholarship. And without school, well, a lot of them would be consigned to pumping gas for a living. I sort of feel for them, but's still no excuse for the sports to be more important than the academics.

\Yes, I really grew up in rural, western PA
\\My father was a Penn State grduate and life-long football fan.
\\\Slashies!
 
2012-07-22 09:27:26 AM
God I hate sports fans. Scum will defend anything if it's "their team."
 
2012-07-22 09:28:43 AM

IlGreven: ...but think about it. If the crime JoePa was covering up was anything non-sexual, you would not be here. Hell, you might even be on his side depending on the crime (like, say, a hazing that went horribly wrong and left a student dead, for instance).


No one was this extreme when a coach actively covered up when his star player murdered another teammate down in texas a while ago.
 
2012-07-22 09:31:23 AM

IlGreven: Cloudchaser Sakonige the Red Wolf: HectorSchwartz: Serves him right. Rot in hell, Joe.

Why is there so much hate being directed at Paterno and not the admins who also participated in the cover-up? And why wipe Paterno from the school's history, thus ignoring the good things he achieved?

Hey, look! Another pedo heard from!

/Sadly, this is what most Farkers actually believe.


OId joke:
A tourist is backpacking through the highlands of Scotland and he stops at a pub to get a drink. The only people in there is a bartender and an old man nursing a beer. And he orders a pint. They sit in silence for awhile, then suddenly the old man turns to him and says, "You see this bar? I built this bar with my bare hands. Found the finest wood in the county. Gave it more love and care than my own child, but do they call me McGregor the Bar Builder? No."

Points out the window. "You see that stone wall out there? I built that stone wall with my bare hands. Found every stone, placed them just so through the rain and the cold, but do they call me McGregor the Stone Wall Builder? No."

Points out the other window. "You see that pier on the lake out there. I built pier with my bare hands. Drove the pilings against the tide and the sand, plank by plank by plank, but do they call me McGregor the Pier Builder? No."

"But you fark one goat..."


Sometimes, all it takes is a major farkup to overshadow the good things you've done.
 
2012-07-22 09:31:33 AM

Lost Thought 00: IlGreven: ...but think about it. If the crime JoePa was covering up was anything non-sexual, you would not be here. Hell, you might even be on his side depending on the crime (like, say, a hazing that went horribly wrong and left a student dead, for instance).

No one was this extreme when a coach actively covered up when his star player murdered another teammate down in texas a while ago.


That was a coach being a PoS and using the dead student to cover his own ass. This was a systematic coverup by the leadership of the university at the behest of a football coach to protect their program.
 
2012-07-22 09:32:50 AM
has a sad
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2012-07-22 09:33:10 AM

6655321: Did they move the statue to the men's showers?


No the library, to remind everyone to keep quiet.
 
2012-07-22 09:33:34 AM

IlGreven: And most people destroying JoePa didn't even know who the hell Sandusky was until the story broke.


Sounds like Paterno did a good job covering up his crimes, then.
 
2012-07-22 09:33:59 AM
this is relevant, you come up with the headline: NCAA source: "Unprecedented" penalties against Penn State -- this is from this morning.
 
2012-07-22 09:34:04 AM

Lost Thought 00: No one was this extreme when a coach actively covered up when his star player murdered another teammate down in texas a while ago.


That's because it was the coach alone. When the school found out what was up, it was squarely on the side of sanity.
 
2012-07-22 09:34:26 AM
Agrees with actions taken.
All in advance of NCAA killing sports at PS for 5 years.
And the healing begins....
 
2012-07-22 09:35:15 AM

Cloudchaser Sakonige the Red Wolf: HectorSchwartz: Serves him right. Rot in hell, Joe.

Why is there so much hate being directed at Paterno and not the admins who also participated in the cover-up? And why wipe Paterno from the school's history, thus ignoring the good things he achieved?


Because Paterno lied about his role and the university went along with his wishes so alumni like you would keep sending checks.

Paterno effectively shielded the football program from a criminal investigation.

They allowed it because Paterno personally helped to raise hundreds of millions.

/he should have retired in the 90s.
 
2012-07-22 09:35:39 AM

UNC_Samurai: Lost Thought 00: IlGreven: ...but think about it. If the crime JoePa was covering up was anything non-sexual, you would not be here. Hell, you might even be on his side depending on the crime (like, say, a hazing that went horribly wrong and left a student dead, for instance).

No one was this extreme when a coach actively covered up when his star player murdered another teammate down in texas a while ago.

That was a coach being a PoS and using the dead student to cover his own ass. This was a systematic coverup by the leadership of the university at the behest of a football coach to protect their program.


To me, they are both symptoms of the same disease - allowing sports to become too important in the running of academic institutions.
 
2012-07-22 09:35:58 AM

Prank Call of Cthulhu: They'll need a new statue in its place.

[www.ngngsports.com image 383x640]


win
 
2012-07-22 09:36:49 AM
The NCAA death penalty against Penn State is gaining traction. The penalty, I believe, will eliminate their football program for at least one year, maybe more. This would only be the 2nd time it's ever been done.
 
2012-07-22 09:37:29 AM
That's some good PR Lou. Do in on the slowest news day of the week where no one is paying attention, and right during the massive coverage of Aurora movie shooting.
 
2012-07-22 09:38:13 AM
Y'know, the way people are acting, you'd think Penn State were a Catholic university.
 
2012-07-22 09:40:15 AM

NutSack: this is relevant, you come up with the headline: NCAA source: "Unprecedented" penalties against Penn State -- this is from this morning.


Hey your name is what some people call me as an insult
 
2012-07-22 09:41:10 AM
Is he wearing shoes?
 
2012-07-22 09:42:38 AM
soonerpsycho.com
 
2012-07-22 09:43:26 AM

IlGreven: Nothing but symbolism. Nothing but another chance for the witch-hunters to take pot shots at people who dare have an opinion different from theirs.


The statue was "nothing but symbolism" to begin with - it had no functional purpose. It's purpose was symbolic - it was supposed to symbolize something worth honoring. it no longer does, and therefore no longer fulfills it's intended function. Indeed,it fulfills a very much unintended, and undesirable one. Way past time to take it down, melt it, and take Paterno's name off the library. They will have to anyway, before this is over - if they do it now, they will look slightly less like total douches.
 
2012-07-22 09:44:37 AM

Cloudchaser Sakonige the Red Wolf: HectorSchwartz: Serves him right. Rot in hell, Joe.

Why is there so much hate being directed at Paterno and not the admins who also participated in the cover-up? And why wipe Paterno from the school's history, thus ignoring the good things he achieved?


Because he always talked about doing the right thing, and held out a public image of being a moral, upstanding, "perfect" coach.

It's a disgust with hypocrisy in a coach who spent decades talking about doing the right thing and about sports being about character turning out to have turned a blind eye to child molestation for over a decade because it would have hurt the team to come down like a hammer on one of his staff.
 
2012-07-22 09:45:22 AM

Lost Thought 00: No one was this extreme when a coach actively covered up when his star player murdered another teammate down in texas a while ago.


This. I'm fairly convinced that if this had happened at, say, Troy University (which would be fitting, if you ask me), no one would care half as much, and most wouldn't care at all. It's like the high profile of it has made it that much more trollbait or something.

I'm sure you'll all come hating down on me, saying I support kid rapists and those who cover them up, but I don't. (I'm also sure the preceding line will be edited from any and all quotes of me.) I just think people are getting far too wrapped up in this and just want to hate, scream and avenge, and don't care what has been done legally or otherwise to those involved. I mean, for Christ's sake, you're screaming about "getting" a dead man, a convicted felon and a bunch of people who have lost their jobs and credibility. They have absolutely nothing to do with the team anymore.

And hating on the fans? Apparently every last fan of Penn State is now a kiddy-diddler in the minds of you trolls. Hell, for all I know, by just posting this I've now farked twelve kids myself in your minds. I'm also pretty convinced you'd also want to support those at your personal alma maters that weren't involved in something like this too, and not feel the slightest bit hypocritical about it.

You people need farking lives, or a bj, or a shiatload of sedatives and therapy. None of you would have the balls to go up to a Penn State fan or football player and say half the shiat you're saying in person.

Go ahead, hate on me. I'm done with this thread.
 
2012-07-22 09:46:41 AM

NutSack: this is relevant, you come up with the headline: NCAA source: "Unprecedented" penalties against Penn State -- this is from this morning.


Wow another way-old-timer farker too, respect knuckles
 
2012-07-22 09:47:13 AM
Read the article and just try to take in what the people there are saying about this:

"Susan Lamey, of State College, looked on, visibly upset. She said Paterno did not deserve to be the scapegoat of the Sandusky scandal.

"It's just another crime being committed," Lamey said of the statue's removal. "It's just like what they want to do with the football team. They keep punishing the innocent. This is not solving the problem. This doesn't fix anything."

Jill Byrne and Stefanie Yeager, both of State College, came to the statue after seeing media reports.

"We were actually hoping to get one last shot," Yeager said. "It's a very sad day."

Jeremie Thompson, a senior at Penn State, said he also woke up to media reports and decided to come to the statue.

"I feel it is really wrong," Thompson said. "The university is giving into pressure instead of making its own decision."

Read more here: http://www.centredaily.com/2012/07/22/3268799/penn-state-police-surrou nd-joe.html#storylink=cpy"


I'm still at odds over trying to figure out what is more creepy, Sandusky's monstrous acts, the coverup to protect football perpetrated by Paterno et al, or the ongoing zealotry of the PSU community that cannot just give up on their demigod.
 
2012-07-22 09:48:40 AM
"It's just another crime being committed," Lamey said of the statue's removal. "It's just like what they want to do with the football team. They keep punishing the innocent. This is not solving the problem. This doesn't fix anything."

And this is why resumes from recent Penn State graduates now get shoved below those who graduated from community colleges, online schools, and unaccredited tech schools.
 
2012-07-22 09:52:01 AM

OKObserver: The NCAA death penalty against Penn State is gaining traction. The penalty, I believe, will eliminate their football program for at least one year, maybe more. This would only be the 2nd time it's ever been done.


Well they have rules and those rules were broken. A witness to a felony of the worst kind was silenced by the coach and effective head of the program. The University looked the other way for the sake of the almighty dollar.

I doubt that PSU is the only university capable of an ethical lapse of this magnitude, so they will use PSU to send a message. And part of that message will go to the students and alumni who seem to forget that college sports are not worth a god damn next to the safety of a single child. Not even close. The same holds true for every other football program and everything else going on there.

PSU alumni need to get the message loud and clear, and they clearly haven't, so hard times are coming....
 
2012-07-22 09:52:52 AM
Everyone across the U.S. who is not a pedophile enabler is celebrating this morning. I expect the others will shortly show up on this thread complaining
 
2012-07-22 09:53:00 AM

FriarReb98: Lost Thought 00: No one was this extreme when a coach actively covered up when his star player murdered another teammate down in texas a while ago.

This. I'm fairly convinced that if this had happened at, say, Troy University (which would be fitting, if you ask me), no one would care half as much, and most wouldn't care at all. It's like the high profile of it has made it that much more trollbait or something.

I'm sure you'll all come hating down on me, saying I support kid rapists and those who cover them up, but I don't. (I'm also sure the preceding line will be edited from any and all quotes of me.) I just think people are getting far too wrapped up in this and just want to hate, scream and avenge, and don't care what has been done legally or otherwise to those involved. I mean, for Christ's sake, you're screaming about "getting" a dead man, a convicted felon and a bunch of people who have lost their jobs and credibility. They have absolutely nothing to do with the team anymore.

And hating on the fans? Apparently every last fan of Penn State is now a kiddy-diddler in the minds of you trolls. Hell, for all I know, by just posting this I've now farked twelve kids myself in your minds. I'm also pretty convinced you'd also want to support those at your personal alma maters that weren't involved in something like this too, and not feel the slightest bit hypocritical about it.

You people need farking lives, or a bj, or a shiatload of sedatives and therapy. None of you would have the balls to go up to a Penn State fan or football player and say half the shiat you're saying in person.

Go ahead, hate on me. I'm done with this thread.


Well then, what would be the point of "hating on" you, or even responding to you at all?
Enjoy your Sunday.
 
2012-07-22 09:56:45 AM
Well, this sure makes Bobby Bowden's exit look graceful!

//Go Noles!
 
2012-07-22 09:58:11 AM
So assuming the football program gets shut down (which I think it should be), what about players that are there on an athletic scholarship at the moment? Would they lose their financial assistance? They'll obviously lose their chance to demonstrate their skills in order to be drafted by the NFL. Would they just be up a creek?
 
2012-07-22 09:59:34 AM

FriarReb98: None of you would have the balls to go up to a Penn State fan or football player and say half the shiat you're saying in person.


"You wouldn't say something that you know would result in a physical confrontation, so therefore your opinion is invalid" - dumb logic.

I wouldn't say it to a Penn State fan because they've proven to be deranged zealots who cannot be reasoned with, and I don't like wasting my time arguing with morons. As the saying goes, only a fool argues with an idiot.

I wouldn't say it to a Penn State football player because it's dumb to provoke someone who could very easily kick my ass.
 
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