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2012-07-22 08:19:02 AM  
Serves him right. Rot in hell, Joe.
 
2012-07-22 08:21:33 AM  
Now if they could just remove Sandusky as permanently.

/...and some "students" are still defending him?
//Not even defending, just claiming he doesnt deserve this.
///The're wrong - he deserved this and so much more
 
2012-07-22 08:21:45 AM  
If it helps people heal, by all means.
 
2012-07-22 08:23:57 AM  
Stolen from Facebook: "They're not taking the statue down, they're just turning it so it can look the other way."
 
2012-07-22 08:24:06 AM  
THIS HAPPENED

FRIGHTENINGLY LATE
 
2012-07-22 08:24:38 AM  
Worked for Stalin, Lenin, and Hussein ... No one remembers those guys, right?
 
2012-07-22 08:25:24 AM  

Tanthalas39: THIS HAPPENED

FRIGHTENINGLY LATE


They're still keeping his name on the library. They really don't get it.
 
2012-07-22 08:25:26 AM  
Should move it to sanduskys cell
 
2012-07-22 08:26:04 AM  
I went with the "storing it in a secure to cover it up for 12-14 years". It was either that or moving the statue to the library as a reminder to all that you should keep quiet.
 
2012-07-22 08:26:35 AM  

McManus_brothers: Stolen from Facebook: "They're not taking the statue down, they're just turning it so it can look the other way."


No, they are just going to cover it up for 14 years.
 
2012-07-22 08:27:07 AM  
Checked out the live feed for about 5 minutes, I turned it off after a rousing chorus of "We Are!" being screamed by people. Seriously, being this disillusioned by anything with all this evidence staring you squarely in the face is just ridiculous.
 
2012-07-22 08:28:12 AM  
FTA: "I'm extremely disappointed with how they are doing it," Berkon said. "JoePa means the world to a lot of students, and they should have a right to be here."

WTF is wrong with you?

You're sorry that they're taking down the statue of a guy who turned a blind eye to a child rapist and feel like anything else he did made up for that fact?

This countries obsession with its organized sports has gone well past the point of reason and sanity.

I'm only sorry there's no such thing as a hell for this man to go to now that he's dead. I'm double damn sorry there's not one for Sandusky to go to.
 
2012-07-22 08:28:27 AM  

LarryDan43: McManus_brothers: Stolen from Facebook: "They're not taking the statue down, they're just turning it so it can look the other way."

No, they are just going to cover it up for 14 years.


media.centredaily.com

LOL. Looks like a cover-up.
 
2012-07-22 08:29:36 AM  

LarryDan43: McManus_brothers: Stolen from Facebook: "They're not taking the statue down, they're just turning it so it can look the other way."

No, they are just going to cover it up for 14 years.


Instead of melting it down. Like I said: they don't get it.
 
2012-07-22 08:29:37 AM  
I wouldn't call it "Rousing"... it was actually quite pathetic. I was fantasizing that they would actually applaud the removal. I'm such a schmuck.
 
2012-07-22 08:30:14 AM  
They're keeping Paterno's name on the Penn State library though.

Seems fitting... will remind all library users to keep quiet.

/stolen from elsewhere
 
2012-07-22 08:30:26 AM  
A moment later, a man in the crowd started a "We are Penn State" chant.


I don't know what the "We are Penn State" chant is, but I bet it involves rhythmic slap-slap-slapping sounds.
 
2012-07-22 08:31:14 AM  
Melt it down and recast the bronze into plaques detailing Sandusky's crimes and the complicity of Joe Paterno and Penn's Administrators in the coverup and mount them where the statue was.
 
2012-07-22 08:31:26 AM  
Everytime I hear that "WE ARE" shiat I get all stabby
 
2012-07-22 08:32:21 AM  
They'll need a new statue in its place.

www.ngngsports.com
 
2012-07-22 08:32:33 AM  
Taking it down is the right thing to do, and taking it down at a time inconvenient to student rioting is the right thing to do.

Some media outlets here in PA are screaming about the timing being "another cover-up" -- only because they don't have cameras on-site.
 
MBK [TotalFark]
2012-07-22 08:33:02 AM  
They should have taken the statue down Saddam Hussein style:

All the victims of Sandusky pull the statue down, then they take off their shoes and smack the statue.
 
2012-07-22 08:34:04 AM  

bulldg4life: I went with the "storing it in a secure to cover it up for 12-14 years". It was either that or moving the statue to the library as a reminder to all that you should keep quiet.


this is now my new favourite, replacing "they should just turn it so it looks the other way"
 
2012-07-22 08:34:54 AM  
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(everybody sing) welcome to Joe's aPArtment!
 
2012-07-22 08:35:15 AM  
theyre moving it to the shower. it still wont say anything.
 
2012-07-22 08:35:16 AM  

Kick The Chair: Should move it to sanduskys cell anus


sorry. i'm retarded
 
2012-07-22 08:37:26 AM  

Prank Call of Cthulhu: They'll need a new statue in its place.

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Not much different, really.
 
2012-07-22 08:38:11 AM  

Prank Call of Cthulhu: A moment later, a man in the crowd started a "We are Penn State" chant.


I don't know what the "We are Penn State" chant is, but I bet it involves rhythmic slap-slap-slapping sounds.


This is why you are a 'favorite'.
 
2012-07-22 08:39:24 AM  
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2012-07-22 08:39:34 AM  
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2012-07-22 08:39:37 AM  
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2012-07-22 08:43:27 AM  

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(everybody sing) welcome to Joe's aPArtment!


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2012-07-22 08:45:14 AM  
They should put up a statue of Kerry Collins to remind people to quit while you're ahead.
 
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2012-07-22 08:46:50 AM  

brb5f: Worked for Stalin, Lenin, and Hussein ... No one remembers those guys, right?


this.
 
2012-07-22 08:47:08 AM  
Sports, the one true religion.
 
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2012-07-22 08:47:29 AM  

UNC_Samurai: They should put up a statue of Kerry Collins to remind people to quit while you're ahead.


oh, snap!
 
2012-07-22 08:51:39 AM  
They should replace it with a Golden Calf
 
2012-07-22 08:52:19 AM  
Some Farker said it in an earlier Sandoosky thread and it really resonated with me... This is why grown-ups shouldn't have heroes.

The JoePalogists quoted in TFA sound like complete nimrods. Suck it up, people. Your hero done farked up. Big time. The higher we put mortals on a pedestal, the farther they have to fall.
 
2012-07-22 08:52:21 AM  
The problem that Penn State has is that many alumni are probably fighting, and Paterno himself was a big donor.

They need to come to terms with the fact that the university needs to take his name off everything and return money donated if needed.

Universities are as grsedy as the richest traders in Wall St. these days.
 
2012-07-22 08:54:37 AM  

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2012-07-22 08:54:49 AM  
 
2012-07-22 08:56:17 AM  

Pontious Pilates: Some Farker said it in an earlier Sandoosky thread and it really resonated with me... This is why grown-ups shouldn't have heroes.

The JoePalogists quoted in TFA sound like complete nimrods. Suck it up, people. Your hero done farked up. Big time. The higher we put mortals on a pedestal, the farther they have to fall.


A lot of the student body and school supporters just don't seem to get it. They think their football program and a winning career makes up for anything. This just seems like more reason for the NCAA to give the football program the death penalty for a few years. Maybe then the seriousness of what happened will actually become clear to these people.
 
2012-07-22 08:57:04 AM  
"We Stand By Joe" and "There is Nothing More Frightful than Ignorance in Action."

They got the second part right. They're living reminders of it
 
2012-07-22 08:57:34 AM  
Amazing that people around the area still think the statue should stand...
... of course this is the same town where Victim #1 got death threats & had to be placed in the witness relocation program after coming forward about Sandusky.

Before today, I wasn't sure if PSU deserved the death penalty.... after reading some of the comments on the article from locals, I REALLY think they need to kill the whole program.
 
2012-07-22 08:58:21 AM  
 
2012-07-22 08:58:22 AM  

McManus_brothers: Stolen from Facebook: "They're not taking the statue down, they're just turning it so it can look the other way."


Now there's a joke I haven't heard 3000 times already. Along with "Can't they just cover it up for 14 years?"
 
2012-07-22 08:59:31 AM  

DiamondDave: McManus_brothers: Stolen from Facebook: "They're not taking the statue down, they're just turning it so it can look the other way."

Now there's a joke I haven't heard 3000 times already. Along with "Can't they just cover it up for 14 years?"


"They're moving it to the elementary school locker room. Where jopa would have wanted to be."

Is that fresher?
 
2012-07-22 09:02:02 AM  
Nothing but symbolism. Nothing but another chance for the witch-hunters to take pot shots at people who dare have an opinion different from theirs.
 
2012-07-22 09:02:42 AM  
It looks like at this point, on the Penn State campus and among their devoted fanbase, Joe Paterno is still worshipped as an idol, some kind of symbol of the perfect virtuous football coach. These people have been practically raised to see him as a sort of "Dear Leader" figure, except of a College Sports program and not a country.

To everyone else, everywhere else, he was a man who turned a blind eye to child abuse & molestation. Outside that little bubble in Pennsylvania, Joe Paterno's name is mud and will always be that way.

Funny thing is, he really did have a great reputation before this. If the Sandusky scandal hadn't broken, and he still died when he did, he would have been practically canonized by the entire college football community.
 
2012-07-22 09:02:56 AM  
A local sport's bar could buy it so those who still support him can drink toasts to their hero.
 
2012-07-22 09:02:58 AM  
A moment later, a man in the crowd started a "We are Penn State" chant. After it finished, another man yelled, "We love you, Joe."
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2012-07-22 09:05:13 AM  
It's just another crime being committed

Stopped reading there. I hope there's a follow-up thread telling me when all the idiots have gone home and the grown-ups have started talking.
 
2012-07-22 09:05:14 AM  

Freak: Penn Stater's losing their minds.


Good lord, it has all the calm and logical reasoning of a freeper thread.
 
2012-07-22 09:07:25 AM  

IlGreven: Nothing but symbolism. Nothing but another chance for the witch-hunters to take pot shots at people who dare have an opinion different from theirs.


That was about as productive a troll as Blair Thomas' career.
 
2012-07-22 09:07:30 AM  
Did they move the statue to the men's showers?
 
2012-07-22 09:07:35 AM  

Silverstaff: It looks like at this point, on the Penn State campus and among their devoted fanbase, Joe Paterno is still worshipped as an idol, some kind of symbol of the perfect virtuous football coach. These people have been practically raised to see him as a sort of "Dear Leader" figure, except of a College Sports program and not a country.

To everyone else, everywhere else, he was a man who turned a blind eye to child abuse & molestation. Outside that little bubble in Pennsylvania, Joe Paterno's name is mud and will always be that way.

Funny thing is, he really did have a great reputation before this. If the Sandusky scandal hadn't broken, and he still died when he did, he would have been practically canonized by the entire college football community.


Or, if he had simply acted appropriately back in '98, or whenever he first heard of Sandusky's... predelicitons, I think it would have been another feather in his cap, an example of Doing Things The Right Way.
 
2012-07-22 09:07:55 AM  
Send it to Ashton Kutchner.
 
2012-07-22 09:08:42 AM  
varmitydog, that's perfect!
 
2012-07-22 09:09:58 AM  

Freak: Penn Stater's losing their minds.


Looked like a pretty well reasoned discussion to me with most agreeing with the decision.
 
2012-07-22 09:10:54 AM  

HectorSchwartz: Serves him right. Rot in hell, Joe.


Why is there so much hate being directed at Paterno and not the admins who also participated in the cover-up? And why wipe Paterno from the school's history, thus ignoring the good things he achieved?
 
2012-07-22 09:17:30 AM  

Cloudchaser Sakonige the Red Wolf: HectorSchwartz: Serves him right. Rot in hell, Joe.

Why is there so much hate being directed at Paterno and not the admins who also participated in the cover-up? And why wipe Paterno from the school's history, thus ignoring the good things he achieved?


Because he covered up child rape for 14 years in the name of keeping up the school's, and his, image? What are you not understanding about this?
 
2012-07-22 09:18:16 AM  
We should all just stop talking about this loser now. He was garbage and you do not speak of garbage which has gone to the curb.
Do not remember Joe Paterno.
 
2012-07-22 09:22:34 AM  

randomjsa: FTA: "I'm extremely disappointed with how they are doing it," Berkon said. "JoePa means the world to a lot of students, and they should have a right to be here."

WTF is wrong with you?

You're sorry that they're taking down the statue of a guy who turned a blind eye to a child rapist and feel like anything else he did made up for that fact?

This countries obsession with its organized sports has gone well past the point of reason and sanity.

I'm only sorry there's no such thing as a hell for this man to go to now that he's dead. I'm double damn sorry there's not one for Sandusky to go to.


It's a strange day when I find myself in agreement with this guy.
 
2012-07-22 09:22:50 AM  
The NCAA is shutting down the entire athletics programs, according to CBS
 
2012-07-22 09:22:58 AM  
Hey look! A wonderfully vague article from a secret unnamed source promising death and destruction upon PSU and the PSU football program!
Link
 
2012-07-22 09:23:33 AM  

UNC_Samurai: IlGreven: Nothing but symbolism. Nothing but another chance for the witch-hunters to take pot shots at people who dare have an opinion different from theirs.

That was about as productive a troll as Blair Thomas' career.


...but think about it. If the crime JoePa was covering up was anything non-sexual, you would not be here. Hell, you might even be on his side depending on the crime (like, say, a hazing that went horribly wrong and left a student dead, for instance). And most people destroying JoePa didn't even know who the hell Sandusky was until the story broke. Those people are raging hypocrites of the highest caliber. And most of 'em are on Fark.
 
2012-07-22 09:24:16 AM  

ransack.: We should all just stop talking about this loser now. He was garbage and you do not speak of garbage which has gone to the curb.
Do not remember Joe Paterno.


...and then wonder how something like this could happen again when it inevitably does.

/Vigilance is hard. Vigilantism is easy.
 
2012-07-22 09:25:18 AM  

Cloudchaser Sakonige the Red Wolf: HectorSchwartz: Serves him right. Rot in hell, Joe.

Why is there so much hate being directed at Paterno and not the admins who also participated in the cover-up? And why wipe Paterno from the school's history, thus ignoring the good things he achieved?


Hey, look! Another pedo heard from!

/Sadly, this is what most Farkers actually believe.
 
2012-07-22 09:26:15 AM  
Call me a vindictive jerk if you want, but I'd like to see two things... 1) A ruling that Penn State did violate the Cleary Act with the penalty of losing all federal funding, and 2) The NCAA dropping a five-year banhammer on them.

Why? Because maybe then people will get it through their thick heads that sport is not the be-all, end-all of life. Maybe then people will start to actually punish athletes who commit crimes. Maybe, finally, they'll come back around to the notion that these are supposed to be places of learning, not glorified screening programs for the professional sports teams.

Well, probably not, but I can hope.

Now, don't get me wrong, I grew up in western PA and I know that some of these people are really bright and dirt poor, and the only way they're getting into school is via an athletic scholarship. And without school, well, a lot of them would be consigned to pumping gas for a living. I sort of feel for them, but's still no excuse for the sports to be more important than the academics.

\Yes, I really grew up in rural, western PA
\\My father was a Penn State grduate and life-long football fan.
\\\Slashies!
 
2012-07-22 09:27:26 AM  
God I hate sports fans. Scum will defend anything if it's "their team."
 
2012-07-22 09:28:43 AM  

IlGreven: ...but think about it. If the crime JoePa was covering up was anything non-sexual, you would not be here. Hell, you might even be on his side depending on the crime (like, say, a hazing that went horribly wrong and left a student dead, for instance).


No one was this extreme when a coach actively covered up when his star player murdered another teammate down in texas a while ago.
 
2012-07-22 09:31:23 AM  

IlGreven: Cloudchaser Sakonige the Red Wolf: HectorSchwartz: Serves him right. Rot in hell, Joe.

Why is there so much hate being directed at Paterno and not the admins who also participated in the cover-up? And why wipe Paterno from the school's history, thus ignoring the good things he achieved?

Hey, look! Another pedo heard from!

/Sadly, this is what most Farkers actually believe.


OId joke:
A tourist is backpacking through the highlands of Scotland and he stops at a pub to get a drink. The only people in there is a bartender and an old man nursing a beer. And he orders a pint. They sit in silence for awhile, then suddenly the old man turns to him and says, "You see this bar? I built this bar with my bare hands. Found the finest wood in the county. Gave it more love and care than my own child, but do they call me McGregor the Bar Builder? No."

Points out the window. "You see that stone wall out there? I built that stone wall with my bare hands. Found every stone, placed them just so through the rain and the cold, but do they call me McGregor the Stone Wall Builder? No."

Points out the other window. "You see that pier on the lake out there. I built pier with my bare hands. Drove the pilings against the tide and the sand, plank by plank by plank, but do they call me McGregor the Pier Builder? No."

"But you fark one goat..."


Sometimes, all it takes is a major farkup to overshadow the good things you've done.
 
2012-07-22 09:31:33 AM  

Lost Thought 00: IlGreven: ...but think about it. If the crime JoePa was covering up was anything non-sexual, you would not be here. Hell, you might even be on his side depending on the crime (like, say, a hazing that went horribly wrong and left a student dead, for instance).

No one was this extreme when a coach actively covered up when his star player murdered another teammate down in texas a while ago.


That was a coach being a PoS and using the dead student to cover his own ass. This was a systematic coverup by the leadership of the university at the behest of a football coach to protect their program.
 
2012-07-22 09:32:50 AM  
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2012-07-22 09:33:10 AM  

6655321: Did they move the statue to the men's showers?


No the library, to remind everyone to keep quiet.
 
2012-07-22 09:33:34 AM  

IlGreven: And most people destroying JoePa didn't even know who the hell Sandusky was until the story broke.


Sounds like Paterno did a good job covering up his crimes, then.
 
2012-07-22 09:33:59 AM  
this is relevant, you come up with the headline: NCAA source: "Unprecedented" penalties against Penn State -- this is from this morning.
 
2012-07-22 09:34:04 AM  

Lost Thought 00: No one was this extreme when a coach actively covered up when his star player murdered another teammate down in texas a while ago.


That's because it was the coach alone. When the school found out what was up, it was squarely on the side of sanity.
 
2012-07-22 09:34:26 AM  
Agrees with actions taken.
All in advance of NCAA killing sports at PS for 5 years.
And the healing begins....
 
2012-07-22 09:35:15 AM  

Cloudchaser Sakonige the Red Wolf: HectorSchwartz: Serves him right. Rot in hell, Joe.

Why is there so much hate being directed at Paterno and not the admins who also participated in the cover-up? And why wipe Paterno from the school's history, thus ignoring the good things he achieved?


Because Paterno lied about his role and the university went along with his wishes so alumni like you would keep sending checks.

Paterno effectively shielded the football program from a criminal investigation.

They allowed it because Paterno personally helped to raise hundreds of millions.

/he should have retired in the 90s.
 
2012-07-22 09:35:39 AM  

UNC_Samurai: Lost Thought 00: IlGreven: ...but think about it. If the crime JoePa was covering up was anything non-sexual, you would not be here. Hell, you might even be on his side depending on the crime (like, say, a hazing that went horribly wrong and left a student dead, for instance).

No one was this extreme when a coach actively covered up when his star player murdered another teammate down in texas a while ago.

That was a coach being a PoS and using the dead student to cover his own ass. This was a systematic coverup by the leadership of the university at the behest of a football coach to protect their program.


To me, they are both symptoms of the same disease - allowing sports to become too important in the running of academic institutions.
 
2012-07-22 09:35:58 AM  

Prank Call of Cthulhu: They'll need a new statue in its place.

[www.ngngsports.com image 383x640]


win
 
2012-07-22 09:36:49 AM  
The NCAA death penalty against Penn State is gaining traction. The penalty, I believe, will eliminate their football program for at least one year, maybe more. This would only be the 2nd time it's ever been done.
 
2012-07-22 09:37:29 AM  
That's some good PR Lou. Do in on the slowest news day of the week where no one is paying attention, and right during the massive coverage of Aurora movie shooting.
 
2012-07-22 09:38:13 AM  
Y'know, the way people are acting, you'd think Penn State were a Catholic university.
 
2012-07-22 09:40:15 AM  

NutSack: this is relevant, you come up with the headline: NCAA source: "Unprecedented" penalties against Penn State -- this is from this morning.


Hey your name is what some people call me as an insult
 
2012-07-22 09:41:10 AM  
Is he wearing shoes?
 
2012-07-22 09:42:38 AM  
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2012-07-22 09:43:26 AM  

IlGreven: Nothing but symbolism. Nothing but another chance for the witch-hunters to take pot shots at people who dare have an opinion different from theirs.


The statue was "nothing but symbolism" to begin with - it had no functional purpose. It's purpose was symbolic - it was supposed to symbolize something worth honoring. it no longer does, and therefore no longer fulfills it's intended function. Indeed,it fulfills a very much unintended, and undesirable one. Way past time to take it down, melt it, and take Paterno's name off the library. They will have to anyway, before this is over - if they do it now, they will look slightly less like total douches.
 
2012-07-22 09:44:37 AM  

Cloudchaser Sakonige the Red Wolf: HectorSchwartz: Serves him right. Rot in hell, Joe.

Why is there so much hate being directed at Paterno and not the admins who also participated in the cover-up? And why wipe Paterno from the school's history, thus ignoring the good things he achieved?


Because he always talked about doing the right thing, and held out a public image of being a moral, upstanding, "perfect" coach.

It's a disgust with hypocrisy in a coach who spent decades talking about doing the right thing and about sports being about character turning out to have turned a blind eye to child molestation for over a decade because it would have hurt the team to come down like a hammer on one of his staff.
 
2012-07-22 09:45:22 AM  

Lost Thought 00: No one was this extreme when a coach actively covered up when his star player murdered another teammate down in texas a while ago.


This. I'm fairly convinced that if this had happened at, say, Troy University (which would be fitting, if you ask me), no one would care half as much, and most wouldn't care at all. It's like the high profile of it has made it that much more trollbait or something.

I'm sure you'll all come hating down on me, saying I support kid rapists and those who cover them up, but I don't. (I'm also sure the preceding line will be edited from any and all quotes of me.) I just think people are getting far too wrapped up in this and just want to hate, scream and avenge, and don't care what has been done legally or otherwise to those involved. I mean, for Christ's sake, you're screaming about "getting" a dead man, a convicted felon and a bunch of people who have lost their jobs and credibility. They have absolutely nothing to do with the team anymore.

And hating on the fans? Apparently every last fan of Penn State is now a kiddy-diddler in the minds of you trolls. Hell, for all I know, by just posting this I've now farked twelve kids myself in your minds. I'm also pretty convinced you'd also want to support those at your personal alma maters that weren't involved in something like this too, and not feel the slightest bit hypocritical about it.

You people need farking lives, or a bj, or a shiatload of sedatives and therapy. None of you would have the balls to go up to a Penn State fan or football player and say half the shiat you're saying in person.

Go ahead, hate on me. I'm done with this thread.
 
2012-07-22 09:46:41 AM  

NutSack: this is relevant, you come up with the headline: NCAA source: "Unprecedented" penalties against Penn State -- this is from this morning.


Wow another way-old-timer farker too, respect knuckles
 
2012-07-22 09:47:13 AM  
Read the article and just try to take in what the people there are saying about this:

"Susan Lamey, of State College, looked on, visibly upset. She said Paterno did not deserve to be the scapegoat of the Sandusky scandal.

"It's just another crime being committed," Lamey said of the statue's removal. "It's just like what they want to do with the football team. They keep punishing the innocent. This is not solving the problem. This doesn't fix anything."

Jill Byrne and Stefanie Yeager, both of State College, came to the statue after seeing media reports.

"We were actually hoping to get one last shot," Yeager said. "It's a very sad day."

Jeremie Thompson, a senior at Penn State, said he also woke up to media reports and decided to come to the statue.

"I feel it is really wrong," Thompson said. "The university is giving into pressure instead of making its own decision."

Read more here: http://www.centredaily.com/2012/07/22/3268799/penn-state-police-surrou nd-joe.html#storylink=cpy"


I'm still at odds over trying to figure out what is more creepy, Sandusky's monstrous acts, the coverup to protect football perpetrated by Paterno et al, or the ongoing zealotry of the PSU community that cannot just give up on their demigod.
 
2012-07-22 09:48:40 AM  
"It's just another crime being committed," Lamey said of the statue's removal. "It's just like what they want to do with the football team. They keep punishing the innocent. This is not solving the problem. This doesn't fix anything."

And this is why resumes from recent Penn State graduates now get shoved below those who graduated from community colleges, online schools, and unaccredited tech schools.
 
2012-07-22 09:52:01 AM  

OKObserver: The NCAA death penalty against Penn State is gaining traction. The penalty, I believe, will eliminate their football program for at least one year, maybe more. This would only be the 2nd time it's ever been done.


Well they have rules and those rules were broken. A witness to a felony of the worst kind was silenced by the coach and effective head of the program. The University looked the other way for the sake of the almighty dollar.

I doubt that PSU is the only university capable of an ethical lapse of this magnitude, so they will use PSU to send a message. And part of that message will go to the students and alumni who seem to forget that college sports are not worth a god damn next to the safety of a single child. Not even close. The same holds true for every other football program and everything else going on there.

PSU alumni need to get the message loud and clear, and they clearly haven't, so hard times are coming....
 
2012-07-22 09:52:52 AM  
Everyone across the U.S. who is not a pedophile enabler is celebrating this morning. I expect the others will shortly show up on this thread complaining
 
2012-07-22 09:53:00 AM  

FriarReb98: Lost Thought 00: No one was this extreme when a coach actively covered up when his star player murdered another teammate down in texas a while ago.

This. I'm fairly convinced that if this had happened at, say, Troy University (which would be fitting, if you ask me), no one would care half as much, and most wouldn't care at all. It's like the high profile of it has made it that much more trollbait or something.

I'm sure you'll all come hating down on me, saying I support kid rapists and those who cover them up, but I don't. (I'm also sure the preceding line will be edited from any and all quotes of me.) I just think people are getting far too wrapped up in this and just want to hate, scream and avenge, and don't care what has been done legally or otherwise to those involved. I mean, for Christ's sake, you're screaming about "getting" a dead man, a convicted felon and a bunch of people who have lost their jobs and credibility. They have absolutely nothing to do with the team anymore.

And hating on the fans? Apparently every last fan of Penn State is now a kiddy-diddler in the minds of you trolls. Hell, for all I know, by just posting this I've now farked twelve kids myself in your minds. I'm also pretty convinced you'd also want to support those at your personal alma maters that weren't involved in something like this too, and not feel the slightest bit hypocritical about it.

You people need farking lives, or a bj, or a shiatload of sedatives and therapy. None of you would have the balls to go up to a Penn State fan or football player and say half the shiat you're saying in person.

Go ahead, hate on me. I'm done with this thread.


Well then, what would be the point of "hating on" you, or even responding to you at all?
Enjoy your Sunday.
 
2012-07-22 09:56:45 AM  
Well, this sure makes Bobby Bowden's exit look graceful!

//Go Noles!
 
2012-07-22 09:58:11 AM  
So assuming the football program gets shut down (which I think it should be), what about players that are there on an athletic scholarship at the moment? Would they lose their financial assistance? They'll obviously lose their chance to demonstrate their skills in order to be drafted by the NFL. Would they just be up a creek?
 
2012-07-22 09:59:34 AM  

FriarReb98: None of you would have the balls to go up to a Penn State fan or football player and say half the shiat you're saying in person.


"You wouldn't say something that you know would result in a physical confrontation, so therefore your opinion is invalid" - dumb logic.

I wouldn't say it to a Penn State fan because they've proven to be deranged zealots who cannot be reasoned with, and I don't like wasting my time arguing with morons. As the saying goes, only a fool argues with an idiot.

I wouldn't say it to a Penn State football player because it's dumb to provoke someone who could very easily kick my ass.
 
2012-07-22 10:00:13 AM  

Animatronik: OKObserver: The NCAA death penalty against Penn State is gaining traction. The penalty, I believe, will eliminate their football program for at least one year, maybe more. This would only be the 2nd time it's ever been done.

Well they have rules and those rules were broken. A witness to a felony of the worst kind was silenced by the coach and effective head of the program. The University looked the other way for the sake of the almighty dollar.

I doubt that PSU is the only university capable of an ethical lapse of this magnitude, so they will use PSU to send a message. And part of that message will go to the students and alumni who seem to forget that college sports are not worth a god damn next to the safety of a single child. Not even close. The same holds true for every other football program and everything else going on there.

PSU alumni need to get the message loud and clear, and they clearly haven't, so hard times are coming....


I should have said 'it appears that' before saying a witness was silenced. All we know for sure is that a graphic sex act was witnessed and something was reported to Paterno. Thats all we need to know to know that it was unethical.
 
2012-07-22 10:00:19 AM  
Here's why they're not taking his name off of the library....(From Wikipedia, so you know it's true).

Paterno Library

In 1983, as Penn State football coach Joe Paterno was being honored for his first national championship, he gave a speech challenging the university's Board of Trustees to make Penn State number one in academics as well as athletics. He specifically targeted the need for a top-quality library, stating, "Without a great library, you can't have a great university."[4] In 1993, he and his wife Sue began a campaign which raised $13.75 million for the construction of a new library. The groundbreaking for the library, named the Paterno Library in their honor, took place in April 1997. Paterno has also donated several million of his own money towards the library.


It's all about money. There's probably legal language around the donation stipulating Paterno's name on the library in exchange for the donation(s). If they take it off......they may have to give the money back.

If Penn State wanted to show REAL integrity, they'd write a check to the Paterno estate (and any other donors associated with the fundraising campaign).....and start pulling the letters down today.
 
2012-07-22 10:00:53 AM  

FriarReb98: You people need farking lives, or a bj, or a shiatload of sedatives and therapy. None of you would have the balls to go up to a Penn State fan or football player and say half the shiat you're saying in person.


I really hope that someday you can get some perspective and realize how unimportant the things you are defending are. Over-inflated importance afforded to a football program is what demanded the coverup in the first place, that importance is what the world still sees happening at PSU and it is why we don't care if you have a hissy fit when punishment is handed down.
 
2012-07-22 10:01:45 AM  
This doesn't strike anyone of being Leninesque and I don't mean John Lennon. Remove people from pictures, official records etc.
 
2012-07-22 10:01:50 AM  

Cloudchaser Sakonige the Red Wolf: Why is there so much hate being directed at Paterno and not the admins who also participated in the cover-up? And why wipe Paterno from the school's history, thus ignoring the good things he achieved?


I'm not sure about your point. They're only removing Paterno's statue. All the others apparently have been "wiped from the school's history" -- not only are their statues gone, even the memory of those statues has been erased from every mind.
 
2012-07-22 10:01:51 AM  
I'd love to have that for my back yard, if they're not gonna use it anywhere else.
 
2012-07-22 10:01:57 AM  

Yanks_RSJ: FriarReb98: None of you would have the balls to go up to a Penn State fan or football player and say half the shiat you're saying in person.

"You wouldn't say something that you know would result in a physical confrontation, so therefore your opinion is invalid" - dumb logic.

I wouldn't say it to a Penn State fan because they've proven to be deranged zealots who cannot be reasoned with, and I don't like wasting my time arguing with morons. As the saying goes, only a fool argues with an idiot.

I wouldn't say it to a Penn State football player because it's dumb to provoke someone who could very easily kick my ass.


Exactly, no need to get punched in the face, let them punch each other over it.
 
2012-07-22 10:02:32 AM  

NeoCortex42: what about players that are there on an athletic scholarship at the moment?


they'll be free to go to other schools to play without being subject to the NCAA's usual rules about transferring.
 
2012-07-22 10:04:15 AM  

topcon: I'd love to have that for my back yard, if they're not gonna use it anywhere else.


Me too. They recently ran sewer service out our way, and I'll be needing fill material for the septic tank.
 
2012-07-22 10:06:44 AM  
So if I got this straight. Not going to the police based off of what one person said is a horrific crime but naming admitted rapists on twitter is a crime worthy of jail. Thanks for clearing that up
 
2012-07-22 10:07:58 AM  
the notion that these are supposed to be places of learning, not glorified screening programs for the professional sports teams.
.... and the only way they're getting into school is via an athletic scholarship.

There is the problem. This should have been banned years ago. Academic scholarships would benifit the entire country. Why send an idiot to college?
 
2012-07-22 10:09:20 AM  

Mean Daddy: This doesn't strike anyone of being Leninesque and I don't mean John Lennon. Remove people from pictures, official records etc.


Not really. More like when Lenin's statue was toppled 20 years ago!
 
2012-07-22 10:09:48 AM  

Mean Daddy: This doesn't strike anyone of being Leninesque and I don't mean John Lennon. Remove people from pictures, official records etc.


That's actually an interesting take on this issue. Maybe the administration thinks that if they remove the statue, it'll make people forget that anything happened.

I'm surprised there aren't more folks objecting on that basis.
 
2012-07-22 10:09:49 AM  

WhyteRaven74: NeoCortex42: what about players that are there on an athletic scholarship at the moment?

they'll be free to go to other schools to play without being subject to the NCAA's usual rules about transferring.


That's good. The collateral damage of shutting down the program of Penn State sucks, but I think it's necessary for the NCAA to send a message that this sort of thing shouldn't be tolerated.
 
2012-07-22 10:12:35 AM  

jfarkinB: Mean Daddy: This doesn't strike anyone of being Leninesque and I don't mean John Lennon. Remove people from pictures, official records etc.

That's actually an interesting take on this issue. Maybe the administration thinks that if they remove the statue, it'll make people forget that anything happened.

I'm surprised there aren't more folks objecting on that basis.


I think there's a difference between removing him from history and removing tributes to him.

This is one of the main reasons I really hate the idea of schools naming things after people who are either still with the school or very recently retired. They should be honoring a legacy after its stood around for a bit.
 
2012-07-22 10:13:16 AM  

Day_Old_Dutchie: Prank Call of Cthulhu: They'll need a new statue in its place.

[www.ngngsports.com image 383x640]

[img14.imageshack.us image 800x600]

Not much different, really.


Good point. For a lot of people, Football is a religion....

/ sees what you did there
 
2012-07-22 10:16:09 AM  
A moment later, a man in the crowd started a "We are Penn State" chant.

You. Farking. Weirdos.
 
2012-07-22 10:16:50 AM  

Brother_Mouzone: That's some good PR Lou. Do in on the slowest news day of the week where no one is paying attention, and right during the massive coverage of Aurora movie shooting.


It's a good way to avoid angry crowds and chaos, that's for sure. I'm OK with that.

NeoCortex42: So assuming the football program gets shut down (which I think it should be), what about players that are there on an athletic scholarship at the moment? Would they lose their financial assistance? They'll obviously lose their chance to demonstrate their skills in order to be drafted by the NFL. Would they just be up a creek?


The NCAA has another rule: if you're on an athletic scholarship and transfer to another school, you lose the scholarship for one year. There've already been calls to waive that rule for PSU players who want to transfer.
 
2012-07-22 10:17:14 AM  

NeoCortex42: Pontious Pilates: Some Farker said it in an earlier Sandoosky thread and it really resonated with me... This is why grown-ups shouldn't have heroes.

The JoePalogists quoted in TFA sound like complete nimrods. Suck it up, people. Your hero done farked up. Big time. The higher we put mortals on a pedestal, the farther they have to fall.

A lot of the student body and school supporters just don't seem to get it. They think their football program and a winning career makes up for anything. This just seems like more reason for the NCAA to give the football program the death penalty for a few years. Maybe then the seriousness of what happened will actually become clear to these people.


I don't think it will, and that's truly pathetic.
 
2012-07-22 10:17:34 AM  

NeoCortex42: I think there's a difference between removing him from history and removing tributes to him.


Also what Lenin was doing was altering things to fit his narrative. This is removing something because it turns out reality doesn't fit what it stood for.
 
2012-07-22 10:20:25 AM  

Pontious Pilates: Pathman: [www.freeimagehosting.net image 620x410]

Please come to prize headquarters tomorrow AM to claim your free Internet.


:-)
 
2012-07-22 10:21:57 AM  

BarkingUnicorn: The NCAA has another rule: if you're on an athletic scholarship and transfer to another school, you lose the scholarship for one year. There've already been calls to waive that rule for PSU players who want to transfer.


If the football program is punished by the NCAA I'm sure they'll waive the rule for everyone.
 
2012-07-22 10:22:04 AM  
Another part of the monument from which the statue was removed was this quote from JoePa:

"They ask me what I'd like written about me when I'm gone, I hope they write I made Penn State a better place not just that I was a good football coach."

I guess we need to define "better place" - it certainly has more money... but the taint of the Sandusky trial might make some people wonder if the endowment is worth it. I don't think that what Sandusky did makes everyone at Penn State a kiddydiddler, but face it - I'd rather be associated with a small lesser known college than a big rich University that covered up child rape for the sake of the almighty dollar. I'm still stunned that those people defending JoePa can't see this.

And the fact that he regularly talked about "character" as though he cared about it... that leaves me speechless.
 
2012-07-22 10:23:58 AM  
"There is Nothing More Frightful than Ignorance in Action."

Aint' it the truth?
 
2012-07-22 10:25:55 AM  
I don't get it. 'movin' again'? Did he move somewhere before? Is it some obscure reference to Sandusky?
 
2012-07-22 10:26:09 AM  

Satanic_Hamster: God I hate sports fans. Scum will defend anything if it's "their team."


I don't think it's any secret where I stand regarding college football; there's no way I would ever defend Alabama in a situation like this. It's truly sickening to see that there are actually people doing that.
 
2012-07-22 10:26:39 AM  
We were actually hoping to get one last shot," Yeager said. "It's a very sad day."

Ha
 
2012-07-22 10:28:04 AM  
They are just putting the 900 pound statute into storage.

I wish they would melt the statute down and sell the metal and donate the funds to a anti-child abuse charity.
 
2012-07-22 10:29:47 AM  
It would be nice if the NCAA announcement on Monday includes the requirement that Paterno's and Sandusky's names / likeness must be removed from any structure on campus and from the sponsorship of any campus event.
 
2012-07-22 10:31:21 AM  

Cloudchaser Sakonige the Red Wolf: HectorSchwartz: Serves him right. Rot in hell, Joe.

Why is there so much hate being directed at Paterno and not the admins who also participated in the cover-up?


Perhaps it's because the admins don't have a statue like Paterno has. Perhaps it's because the admins don't have Paterno's cult-like following which still refuses to acknowledge the whole of the man's actions. Perhaps it's because outside of a small pocket of alternate reality in a small part of Pennsylvania, many people cannot understand how anyone can still defend or downplay Paterno's involvement. All of these things create the hate, I think.

And why wipe Paterno from the school's history, thus ignoring the good things he achieved?

I don't think that will happen, but maybe it will just become actual history and not gospel. Fine, Paterno was a great football coach. But in a moment when he had the chance to save innocent children from a horrible fate with nothing more than a word, he instead chose to remain silent to protect a college football program and thus became something less than a great man.
 
2012-07-22 10:33:51 AM  
www.cbssports.com
www.jibsports.com
www.jdemirdjian.com
i.cdn.turner.com
blogs.ajc.com
www.thelantern.com

/ same CULTure problem, different locations
 
2012-07-22 10:33:59 AM  
A statue is a real easy target. I'd like to see some of the Board get some prison time. I'm sure they are all feeling pretty happy that everyone is focusing on the statue.
 
2012-07-22 10:34:27 AM  

Freak: Penn Stater's losing their minds.


From your link:
"This scandal is as much an issue about PSU football as the Colorado massacre is about Batman."

(whispering) These folks be cray cray!

/Stay classy Penn State
 
2012-07-22 10:36:25 AM  
How would this look in JoPa's place?

3.bp.blogspot.com
 
2012-07-22 10:39:28 AM  
It's a good move. It's symbolic of the culture shift. PSU's not pretending anything or rewriting history, they're just making Paterno's legacy a human legacy instead of a God legacy.

I live in PA where people who do not have college degrees have Penn State tattoos. It's creepy, really. Culty. The takedown is necessary.
 
2012-07-22 10:41:59 AM  

FriarReb98: Lost Thought 00: No one was this extreme when a coach actively covered up when his star player murdered another teammate down in texas a while ago.

This. I'm fairly convinced that if this had happened at, say, Troy University (which would be fitting, if you ask me), no one would care half as much, and most wouldn't care at all. It's like the high profile of it has made it that much more trollbait or something.

I'm sure you'll all come hating down on me, saying I support kid rapists and those who cover them up, but I don't. (I'm also sure the preceding line will be edited from any and all quotes of me.) I just think people are getting far too wrapped up in this and just want to hate, scream and avenge, and don't care what has been done legally or otherwise to those involved. I mean, for Christ's sake, you're screaming about "getting" a dead man, a convicted felon and a bunch of people who have lost their jobs and credibility. They have absolutely nothing to do with the team anymore.

And hating on the fans? Apparently every last fan of Penn State is now a kiddy-diddler in the minds of you trolls. Hell, for all I know, by just posting this I've now farked twelve kids myself in your minds. I'm also pretty convinced you'd also want to support those at your personal alma maters that weren't involved in something like this too, and not feel the slightest bit hypocritical about it.

You people need farking lives, or a bj, or a shiatload of sedatives and therapy. None of you would have the balls to go up to a Penn State fan or football player and say half the shiat you're saying in person.

Go ahead, hate on me. I'm done with this thread.


Sweet sassy molassy. People like you are friggin' amazing.
 
2012-07-22 10:43:27 AM  
I was surprised to learn the damn thing was up in the first place. Usually, you erect statues to particular people because they're dead and you wish to honor them. From what I understand, Paterno was not only still alive but still working for the university when his statue went up. Kinda cultish behavior, that.
 
2012-07-22 10:45:12 AM  

FriarReb98: It's like the high profile of it has made it that much more trollbait or something.


I think it's mostly Ohio fans.
 
2012-07-22 10:45:20 AM  

Freak: Penn Stater's losing their minds.


Eesh...some weapons-grade crazy in there. Guess football really IS a religion for some people.
 
2012-07-22 10:45:25 AM  
Joe reputation deserves to be destroyed. Everyone involved that covered it up should go to prison.

Having said that. You jackasses who are using this as a soap box to preach your disdain for sports and its fans are just as twisted as the PSU fans sticking up for these people. We get it. You hate anything but sitting around your local (non starbucks cause thats too mainstream) coffeehouse sipping your double sugar chocolate vanilla toffee coffee bashing everyone that is beneath you.
 
2012-07-22 10:48:27 AM  

fonebone77: Joe reputation deserves to be destroyed. Everyone involved that covered it up should go to prison.

Having said that. You jackasses who are using this as a soap box to preach your disdain for sports and its fans are just as twisted as the PSU fans sticking up for these people. We get it. You hate anything but sitting around your local (non starbucks cause thats too mainstream) coffeehouse sipping your double sugar chocolate vanilla toffee coffee bashing everyone that is beneath you.


Actually I like to put bath salts up my butt and sit at home alone and bash everyone beneath me.
 
2012-07-22 10:49:37 AM  

Cloudchaser Sakonige the Red Wolf: HectorSchwartz: Serves him right. Rot in hell, Joe.

Why is there so much hate being directed at Paterno and not the admins who also participated in the cover-up? And why wipe Paterno from the school's history, thus ignoring the good things he achieved?


As to your first question, I'd guess it's because the admins are relatively faceless bureaucrats...nobody knows or cares who they are.

As to the second question, I'd guess they're just trying to erase the ENTIRE chapter of history, to put everything behind them so they can move forward.

Hard to separate the one from the other, now.
 
2012-07-22 10:51:12 AM  
I have a message for all the Penn State students quoted in the press defending Paterno...

You potential future employers read the news also --> You will never get a job.
 
2012-07-22 10:51:12 AM  

FriarReb98: And hating on the fans? Apparently every last fan of Penn State is now a kiddy-diddler in the minds of you trolls.


No, but they seem to really support those who cover up and protect the kiddy-diddlers, and there's a term for those sorts of people:

Accomplices.

That said, JoePa WAS a nice enough man, but his priorities, and the priorities of the school's administration, were absolutely farked up. The fact that students are willing to forgive these crimes solely because they love their football team more than they hate the rapist his accomplices they employed is really sick.
 
2012-07-22 10:51:15 AM  
24.media.tumblr.com
 
2012-07-22 10:51:47 AM  

IlGreven: UNC_Samurai: IlGreven: Nothing but symbolism. Nothing but another chance for the witch-hunters to take pot shots at people who dare have an opinion different from theirs.

That was about as productive a troll as Blair Thomas' career.

...but think about it. If the crime JoePa was covering up was anything non-sexual, you would not be here. Hell, you might even be on his side depending on the crime (like, say, a hazing that went horribly wrong and left a student dead, for instance). And most people destroying JoePa didn't even know who the hell Sandusky was until the story broke. Those people are raging hypocrites of the highest caliber. And most of 'em are on Fark.


Yeah...I don't know about anyone else, but I wouldn't be defending the coverup of a death, either.

WTF is wrong with you?
 
2012-07-22 10:53:43 AM  

Lost Thought 00: IlGreven: ...but think about it. If the crime JoePa was covering up was anything non-sexual, you would not be here. Hell, you might even be on his side depending on the crime (like, say, a hazing that went horribly wrong and left a student dead, for instance).

No one was this extreme when a coach actively covered up when his star player murdered another teammate down in texas a while ago.


Really? that coach SHOULD be charged with accessory after the fact, and THAT program should get the "death penalty" too.

WTF is wrong with you football fanatics?
 
2012-07-22 10:54:28 AM  

PunGent: Yeah...I don't know about anyone else, but I wouldn't be defending the coverup of a death, either.


You've obviously never seen Road House.
 
2012-07-22 10:54:45 AM  

182: brb5f: Worked for Stalin, Lenin, and Hussein ... No one remembers those guys, right?

this.


I know *I* sure objected when they took down all the Nazi stuff in Germany after WWII. I mean, seriously, why didn't they just leave all that stuff up? All it's doing is erasing it from history.
 
2012-07-22 10:58:32 AM  

randomjsa: FTA: "I'm extremely disappointed with how they are doing it," Berkon said. "JoePa means the world to a lot of students, and they should have a right to be here."

WTF is wrong with you?

You're sorry that they're taking down the statue of a guy who turned a blind eye to a child rapist and feel like anything else he did made up for that fact?

This countries obsession with its organized sports has gone well past the point of reason and sanity.

I'm only sorry there's no such thing as a hell for this man to go to now that he's dead. I'm double damn sorry there's not one for Sandusky to go to.


You see, he coached football, that's important.
 
2012-07-22 11:00:50 AM  

FriarReb98: Lost Thought 00: No one was this extreme when a coach actively covered up when his star player murdered another teammate down in texas a while ago.

This. I'm fairly convinced that if this had happened at, say, Troy University (which would be fitting, if you ask me), no one would care half as much, and most wouldn't care at all. It's like the high profile of it has made it that much more trollbait or something.

I'm sure you'll all come hating down on me, saying I support kid rapists and those who cover them up, but I don't. (I'm also sure the preceding line will be edited from any and all quotes of me.) I just think people are getting far too wrapped up in this and just want to hate, scream and avenge, and don't care what has been done legally or otherwise to those involved. I mean, for Christ's sake, you're screaming about "getting" a dead man, a convicted felon and a bunch of people who have lost their jobs and credibility. They have absolutely nothing to do with the team anymore.

And hating on the fans? Apparently every last fan of Penn State is now a kiddy-diddler in the minds of you trolls. Hell, for all I know, by just posting this I've now farked twelve kids myself in your minds. I'm also pretty convinced you'd also want to support those at your personal alma maters that weren't involved in something like this too, and not feel the slightest bit hypocritical about it.

You people need farking lives, or a bj, or a shiatload of sedatives and therapy. None of you would have the balls to go up to a Penn State fan or football player and say half the shiat you're saying in person.

Go ahead, hate on me. I'm done with this thread.


Personally, I think most of the fans are, quite justifiably, feeling angry and betrayed themselves, and I certainly don't think they condone the underlying crimes.

But as to why this story has more traction than, say, murdering a (relative) adult, it's probably because protecting children is pretty much hard-wired into us as a species.

You can blame Darwin or your Intelligent Designer, if it'll make you feel better...but that's just the way it is.
 
2012-07-22 11:02:42 AM  

fonebone77: Having said that. You jackasses who are using this as a soap box to preach your disdain for sports and its fans are just as twisted as the PSU fans sticking up for these people. We get it. You hate anything but sitting around your local (non starbucks cause thats too mainstream) coffeehouse sipping your double sugar chocolate vanilla toffee coffee bashing everyone that is beneath you.


Way to miss the point. You just don't get it. I'm not upset at Penn St. because I hate sports, I'm pissed at them because I love sports. College football Saturdays in my home are wonderful- my bride and I are fans of different schools, but we each wear our colors proudly. If my alma mater's playing a home game, I'll most likely be in attendance. Otherwise we'll be watching a few televised games.

But where the Penn St. folks lose all semblance of sanity is when they forget that, at the end of the day, this is about entertainment. They want to defend a man who committed a monstrous act because his team won football games. As has been said earlier, if JoePa had done the right thing in 1998 and made sure Sandusky was prosecuted- and in a place like State College, he easily could have- it would have only added to his reputation. We'd be saying "Damn, JoePa was a man of integrity. When he found out that the man who was his obvious successor was engaging in heinous acts, he immediately made sure that justice was served." Instead... well, you know.

So I'm not pissed because I hate sports. I'm pissed because I love sports, and this shiat makes that more difficult for me. "Oh, you're a college football fan? You're probably part of a personality cult. Your idols just haven't been caught... yet."

fark Penn State.
 
2012-07-22 11:06:35 AM  
President Rodney Erikson said the statue will be stored "in a secure location."

Ironic how the statue will be more safe and secure than the kiddies JoePa's good buddy, Jerry Sandusky, brought to the shower rooms to fark isn't it? Why not place the statue right next to another fake Pennsylvania sports legend -- the Rocky statue?
 
2012-07-22 11:07:24 AM  

Matthew Keene: How would this look in JoPa's place?

[3.bp.blogspot.com image 323x400]


I'm gonna go with "rapier"...
 
2012-07-22 11:07:56 AM  

Wile_E._Quixote: Now if they could just remove Sandusky as permanently.

/...and some "students" are still defending him?
//Not even defending, just claiming he doesnt deserve this.
///The're wrong - he deserved this and so much more


Those students are probably also pedophiles.
 
2012-07-22 11:08:16 AM  

gblive: It would be nice if the NCAA announcement on Monday includes the requirement that Paterno's and Sandusky's names / likeness must be removed from any structure on campus and from the sponsorship of any campus event.


I hope so. And honestly, I find it hard that there's no legalese around naming buildings so that a university is on the hook when something like this goes down. Seems incredibly short-sighted. Then again, Penn State could probably have Paterno's family try to sue over the endowment and wait them out. I don't think the family is going to be flush with cash considering the civil suits have yet to begin.
 
2012-07-22 11:08:21 AM  

MAYORBOB: President Rodney Erikson said the statue will be stored "in a secure location."

Ironic how the statue will be more safe and secure than the kiddies JoePa's good buddy, Jerry Sandusky, brought to the shower rooms to fark isn't it? Why not place the statue right next to another fake Pennsylvania sports legend -- the Rocky statue?


I like the idea someone else had in the previous thread: put the statue into a urinal trough in the football stadium.
 
2012-07-22 11:09:29 AM  

Gonz: fonebone77: Having said that. You jackasses who are using this as a soap box to preach your disdain for sports and its fans are just as twisted as the PSU fans sticking up for these people. We get it. You hate anything but sitting around your local (non starbucks cause thats too mainstream) coffeehouse sipping your double sugar chocolate vanilla toffee coffee bashing everyone that is beneath you.

Way to miss the point. You just don't get it. I'm not upset at Penn St. because I hate sports, I'm pissed at them because I love sports. College football Saturdays in my home are wonderful- my bride and I are fans of different schools, but we each wear our colors proudly. If my alma mater's playing a home game, I'll most likely be in attendance. Otherwise we'll be watching a few televised games.

But where the Penn St. folks lose all semblance of sanity is when they forget that, at the end of the day, this is about entertainment. They want to defend a man who committed a monstrous act because his team won football games. As has been said earlier, if JoePa had done the right thing in 1998 and made sure Sandusky was prosecuted- and in a place like State College, he easily could have- it would have only added to his reputation. We'd be saying "Damn, JoePa was a man of integrity. When he found out that the man who was his obvious successor was engaging in heinous acts, he immediately made sure that justice was served." Instead... well, you know.

So I'm not pissed because I hate sports. I'm pissed because I love sports, and this shiat makes that more difficult for me. "Oh, you're a college football fan? You're probably part of a personality cult. Your idols just haven't been caught... yet."

fark Penn State.


You arent the type of person im even referencing. Hating on joepa and the psu asses that did this is totally legit. Im talking to the pansy asses that keep going on about the "culture of sports" and its evils. Basically the "stop liking what i dont like" crowd.
 
2012-07-22 11:10:10 AM  

Vodka Zombie: PunGent: Yeah...I don't know about anyone else, but I wouldn't be defending the coverup of a death, either.

You've obviously never seen Road House.


Err...been quite awhile...remind me?
 
2012-07-22 11:10:47 AM  

Guntram Shatterhand: gblive: It would be nice if the NCAA announcement on Monday includes the requirement that Paterno's and Sandusky's names / likeness must be removed from any structure on campus and from the sponsorship of any campus event.

I hope so. And honestly, I find it hard that there's no legalese around naming buildings so that a university is on the hook when something like this goes down. Seems incredibly short-sighted. Then again, Penn State could probably have Paterno's family try to sue over the endowment and wait them out. I don't think the family is going to be flush with cash considering the civil suits have yet to begin.


As I recall, JoePa negotiated his last contract when he knew he was dying and the walls were coming down and made sure his estate got millions of bucks. True, those millions will eventually go to Paterno's victims.
 
2012-07-22 11:11:59 AM  
If the reports of "unprecedented action" are right, that would mean the punishment against Penn State would be more far reaching than the death penalty handed down to SMU in the 80s:

-One season cancelled, including practices (they were allowed to play away games to keep from punishing other schools, but elected not to)
-Bowl and TV ban
-Major loss in scholarships and restrictions on the number of coaches hired
-Recruiting restrictions

The ban on SMU effectively crippled their program (and, some argue, their conference), to a point where the NCAA actually said later that they regretted being so harsh. But SMUs violations, while egregious and systemic, were of the "paying players to play" variety. Systemic child molestation, including an untold number of employees covering it up, from the President to the janitorial staff, could easily warrant stronger action.

/I'm OK with this
 
2012-07-22 11:13:43 AM  

Prank Call of Cthulhu: A moment later, a man in the crowd started a "We are Penn State" chant.


I don't know what the "We are Penn State" chant is, but I bet it involves rhythmic slap-slap-slapping sounds.


we are farmers
bum da dum dum dum dum dum!!

bestoregonquotes.com
 
2012-07-22 11:13:52 AM  

Vodka Zombie: PunGent: Yeah...I don't know about anyone else, but I wouldn't be defending the coverup of a death, either.

You've obviously never seen Road House.


I wanted to, but a polar bear fell on me.
 
2012-07-22 11:14:55 AM  
After the Freeh report, was there really any doubt that the statue would come down?

It had to be done. It was a foregone conclusion.
 
2012-07-22 11:14:59 AM  

Mean Daddy: This doesn't strike anyone of being Leninesque and I don't mean John Lennon. Remove people from pictures, official records etc.


Unfortunately, Paterno's legacy will live on for decades in the mental trauma caused by the rape he facilitated. Don't worry. Paterno will be remembered for all of the damage he did to the victims, Penn State and human dignity.
 
2012-07-22 11:15:29 AM  

PunGent: Vodka Zombie: PunGent: Yeah...I don't know about anyone else, but I wouldn't be defending the coverup of a death, either.

You've obviously never seen Road House.

Err...been quite awhile...remind me?


The end. Everyone's dead, and the cops ask if anyone saw anything.

No one did.
 
2012-07-22 11:16:05 AM  

Pappas: If the reports of "unprecedented action" are right, that would mean the punishment against Penn State would be more far reaching than the death penalty handed down to SMU in the 80s:

-One season cancelled, including practices (they were allowed to play away games to keep from punishing other schools, but elected not to)
-Bowl and TV ban
-Major loss in scholarships and restrictions on the number of coaches hired
-Recruiting restrictions

The ban on SMU effectively crippled their program (and, some argue, their conference), to a point where the NCAA actually said later that they regretted being so harsh. But SMUs violations, while egregious and systemic, were of the "paying players to play" variety. Systemic child molestation, including an untold number of employees covering it up, from the President to the janitorial staff, could easily warrant stronger action.

/I'm OK with this


I bet the Penn State football program will be a memory on Monday. Examples must be made, and I wouldn't be surprised if this is the kind of shiat that bans a football program for a century or two.
 
2012-07-22 11:17:28 AM  
The NCAA rules tomorrow. The statue goes away today. The locals for some reason don't realize that the school needs to tuck it all in and hope they aren't hit too hard.
 
2012-07-22 11:23:48 AM  

Satanic_Hamster: God I hate sports fans. Scum will defend anything if it's "their team."


You pretty much just described the state of American politics these days as well.

Day_Old_Dutchie: Prank Call of Cthulhu: They'll need a new statue in its place.
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Not much different, really.


Proof that religion is more powerful than sports. If the same standards were applied in both cases, the Catholic Church would also get the death penalty.
 
2012-07-22 11:24:00 AM  
Called it. Good on them. Now put Tressel's book on winning the right way in one hand, DickRod's contract from UM in the other, stick it on a cart, and wheel it to every Rose Bowl for the next ten generations as a warning that maintaining your legacy at all costs comes with too high a price.

Can't believe TFA's writer couldn't find one or two onlookers who believed this was a good thing. Your modern media, folks.

Soonerpsycho: [soonerpsycho.com image 382x846]


Its too early on a weekend to get me laughing that loud.
 
2012-07-22 11:24:18 AM  
1.bp.blogspot.com

foosball is the devil
 
2012-07-22 11:27:33 AM  
Not sure about 'unprecedented'. Could be CBS talking out of their rear, could be Penn State falling on its sword. NCAA didn't even drop any NOI on them yet.
 
2012-07-22 11:27:39 AM  
The fact that he died proves that he was guilty.
 
2012-07-22 11:27:39 AM  

wumpus: The NCAA rules tomorrow. The statue goes away today. The locals for some reason don't realize that the school needs to tuck it all in and hope they aren't hit too hard.


I'm thinking it's going to be pretty vicious if the NCAA is already throwing around words like "unprecedented" and "consistent with previous sanctions."

In SMU's player payment scandal, it was a bit of a crime, but it's hard to really find a victim in it all.

With Penn State?

Whooo... You've got a lot of victims. There are felonies involved. What was done is reprehensible and, sadly, an all-too current crime in our society that every normal person would rightly condemn instead of covering up. If the NCAA wants to protect its reputation and display some level of fairness, this should easily spell the death of Penn State football (and maybe ALL of Penn State athletics).

An example is going to be made.
 
2012-07-22 11:30:23 AM  

Landis: Call me a vindictive jerk if you want, but I'd like to see two things... 1) A ruling that Penn State did violate the Cleary Act with the penalty of losing all federal funding


Is this something that the NCAA would be pursuing, or would it be the result of a federal case? Has there been any movement on a decision about their compliance with the Cleary Act at all?
 
2012-07-22 11:34:44 AM  

NeoCortex42: Landis: Call me a vindictive jerk if you want, but I'd like to see two things... 1) A ruling that Penn State did violate the Cleary Act with the penalty of losing all federal funding

Is this something that the NCAA would be pursuing, or would it be the result of a federal case? Has there been any movement on a decision about their compliance with the Cleary Act at all?


That would be a purely Federal thing and I haven't heard or read anything about it yet, but I am sure that the DOJ is at a minimum taking a cursory look at this.
 
2012-07-22 11:35:50 AM  

Pyro Messiah: Everytime I hear that "WE ARE" shiat I get all stabby


WE ARE VR troopers!
 
2012-07-22 11:37:26 AM  
ESPN is reporting (at least on the bottom line) that the punishment will likely not be the "death penalty." there will probably be loss of bowls and scholarships, as well as "non-traditional" punishments, but not the death penalty.
 
2012-07-22 11:38:36 AM  

HoleChicken: ESPN is reporting (at least on the bottom line) that the punishment will likely not be the "death penalty." there will probably be loss of bowls and scholarships, as well as "non-traditional" punishments, but not the death penalty.


Ummm...so they'll get the same punishments Ohio State received for free tattoos and autograph fees?
 
2012-07-22 11:39:05 AM  
What point is there in punishing the university or the football program? Fire everybody even remotely connected to this and move on with new leadership. There's no reason that the students, fans and community should suffer for this scandal.
 
2012-07-22 11:39:31 AM  
 
2012-07-22 11:40:42 AM  

gimmegimme: HoleChicken: ESPN is reporting (at least on the bottom line) that the punishment will likely not be the "death penalty." there will probably be loss of bowls and scholarships, as well as "non-traditional" punishments, but not the death penalty.

Ummm...so they'll get the same punishments Ohio State received for free tattoos and autograph fees?


This. Its nice to know enabling kiddie rape is worth X amount of bowls and scholarships, but we'll see what else they have in store tomorrow morning.
 
2012-07-22 11:40:56 AM  
You people will worship anything. It's truly scary. I don't know if its genetic or cultural, but you're all too ready to eschew your logic just for a little feeling of belonging. It's so tribal it makes me vomit.
 
2012-07-22 11:41:37 AM  

gimmegimme: HoleChicken: ESPN is reporting (at least on the bottom line) that the punishment will likely not be the "death penalty." there will probably be loss of bowls and scholarships, as well as "non-traditional" punishments, but not the death penalty.

Ummm...so they'll get the same punishments Ohio State received for free tattoos and autograph fees?


Well, apparently Emmert has been authorized to use "non-traditional methods" to punish PSU. I'm wondering if they'll have to give all profits to the victims or remove Paterno's name from everything.
 
2012-07-22 11:41:44 AM  

veedeevadeevoodee: A source told CBS News correspondent Armen Keteyian that Penn State will face "unprecedented" penalties when the NCAA announces what it called "corrective and punitive measures for The Pennsylvania State University" at a press conference at 9 a.m. Monday.

"I've never seen anything like it," the source told Keteyian, indicating that both the football program and the school itself would face sanctions.


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2012-07-22 11:42:00 AM  

HoleChicken: ESPN is reporting (at least on the bottom line) that the punishment will likely not be the "death penalty." there will probably be loss of bowls and scholarships, as well as "non-traditional" punishments, but not the death penalty.


Then it is a half measure and not nearly severe enough, if in fact that report is correct. Final analysis will, of course, occur after tomorrow morning.

Still, I don't think PSU will get the death penalty now despite deserving it. It would be too close to an admission that BIG TIME COLLEGE FOOTBALL cultures in NCAA member schools are creepy, zealot-filled bases of power.
 
2012-07-22 11:43:17 AM  

consider this: What point is there in punishing the university or the football program? Fire everybody even remotely connected to this and move on with new leadership. There's no reason that the students, fans and community should suffer for this scandal.


Really? It's not obvious to you that many folks at Penn State don't understand what JoePa and the administration did wrong? You can't see that the brainwashed cult of personality around the football program was the REASON CHILDREN WERE RAPED and the reason it took at least more than a decade for the child rapist to be locked up? Penn State football must be punished so those students, fans and community members will no longer be in thrall to the evil that lingers.

Construction vehicles and police arrived shortly after dawn Sunday, barricading the street and sidewalks near the statue, erecting a chain-link fence then concealing the statue with a blue tarp. Many of those watching stared in disbelief, and at least one woman wept, while others expressed anger at the decision.

"I think it was an act of cowardice on the part of the university," Mary Trometter of Williamsport, who wore a shirt bearing Joe Paterno's image. She said she felt betrayed by university officials, saying they promised openness but said nothing about the decision until just before the removal work began.


///Why the fark were people around the statue at dawn on a Sunday?
 
2012-07-22 11:43:50 AM  
Reading the comments in the USAToday article is truely sickening. People who think the Freeh report is pure gossip and are waiting for their own "independent" investigation to occur. My god, there's even copies of Paterno's emails in the Freeh report and these people think they are fake.
 
2012-07-22 11:44:07 AM  
Anonymous sources claim "the Death Penalty might be preferable." Uh, I don't think they get what the point of the Death Penalty in this circumstance is supposed to accomplish. Even if they make Penn St football god awful terrible for years, it won't matter, b/c the football religious zealots will still be around and coming out for games. If the cult worships a false god, causing terrible consequences, you have to tear down the church.
 
2012-07-22 11:46:56 AM  

consider this: What point is there in punishing the university or the football program? Fire everybody even remotely connected to this and move on with new leadership. There's no reason that the students, fans and community should suffer for this scandal.


The reason for punishing the program is that it's not just the individual people that made this happen, but also the idea that the program should be placed above all else. You even see it in the students responding to how the statue shouldn't even be moved. There needs to be a severe enough penalty to remind people that while college football can be a great thing, in the end it is still only a game. Other schools that may face similar decisions about reporting crimes in the future shouldn't even think about if it hurts the image of the program too much to report criminal acts to the police.
 
2012-07-22 11:47:32 AM  

NeoCortex42: Landis: Call me a vindictive jerk if you want, but I'd like to see two things... 1) A ruling that Penn State did violate the Cleary Act with the penalty of losing all federal funding

Is this something that the NCAA would be pursuing, or would it be the result of a federal case? Has there been any movement on a decision about their compliance with the Cleary Act at all?


Prosecution under the Cleary Act would be the government, specifically the Department of Education. I haven't seen much movement on it, just that they're investigating.
 
2012-07-22 11:47:49 AM  

HoleChicken: ESPN is reporting speculating (at least on the bottom line) that the punishment will likely not be the "death penalty." there will probably be loss of bowls and scholarships, as well as "non-traditional" punishments, but not the death penalty.


FTFY
 
2012-07-22 11:49:56 AM  

BarkingUnicorn: HoleChicken: ESPN is reporting speculating (at least on the bottom line) that the punishment will likely not be the "death penalty." there will probably be loss of bowls and scholarships, as well as "non-traditional" punishments, but not the death penalty.

FTFY


I'm watching the Open, and it's been a while since they last ran it, but they were citing anonymous sources.
 
2012-07-22 11:50:49 AM  

consider this: What point is there in punishing the university or the football program? Fire everybody even remotely connected to this and move on with new leadership. There's no reason that the students, fans and community should suffer for this scandal.


How many times in every Saint Joe thread are we going to have this same exact pile of fail?

Either its trying to reason someone out of something they didn't reason themselves into, or I should be posting more Alan Keyes and Captain Barbossa.
 
2012-07-22 11:51:30 AM  

Landis: NeoCortex42: Landis: Call me a vindictive jerk if you want, but I'd like to see two things... 1) A ruling that Penn State did violate the Cleary Act with the penalty of losing all federal funding

Is this something that the NCAA would be pursuing, or would it be the result of a federal case? Has there been any movement on a decision about their compliance with the Cleary Act at all?

Prosecution under the Cleary Act would be the government, specifically the Department of Education. I haven't seen much movement on it, just that they're investigating.


You're not seeing much because you all are misspelling "Clery".
 
2012-07-22 11:53:21 AM  

gimmegimme:
///Why the fark were people around the statue at dawn on a Sunday?


Weren't there people already there to "protect" it from removal? They called their buddies?

Random drunks still out from Saturday night partying?

Alternatively, State College is such a small place that you can't do anything without all the neighbours coming out to see? (Something like the block I live on and my neighbours?).
 
2012-07-22 11:53:53 AM  
This is just like that Clive Barker book "The Thief of Always"
 
2012-07-22 11:55:28 AM  

gimmegimme: HoleChicken: ESPN is reporting (at least on the bottom line) that the punishment will likely not be the "death penalty." there will probably be loss of bowls and scholarships, as well as "non-traditional" punishments, but not the death penalty.

Ummm...so they'll get the same punishments Ohio State received for free tattoos and autograph fees?


That would be total bullshiat. Penn State deserves the Death Penalty to End All Death Penalties.
 
2012-07-22 11:56:02 AM  

NeoCortex42: The reason for punishing the program is that it's not just the individual people that made this happen, but also the idea that the program should be placed above all else.


That idea has nothing to do with the students, fans and community. A kid who worked their ass off to get a scholarship to play football shouldn't have that taken away from them. A business owner who relies on the dollars brought in by football fans flooding the area shouldn't lose out on that revenue. A fan that likes to root for his team shouldn't have that enjoyment taken away from them. Fire everybody, levy fines and then let them move on and prepare for the 2012 football season.
 
2012-07-22 11:58:16 AM  

consider this: NeoCortex42: The reason for punishing the program is that it's not just the individual people that made this happen, but also the idea that the program should be placed above all else.

That idea has nothing to do with the students, fans and community. A kid who worked their ass off to get a scholarship to play football shouldn't have that taken away from them. A business owner who relies on the dollars brought in by football fans flooding the area shouldn't lose out on that revenue. A fan that likes to root for his team shouldn't have that enjoyment taken away from them. Fire everybody, levy fines and then let them move on and prepare for the 2012 football season.


Sandusky's family shouldn't have him taken away from him either blah blah blah.

Same fail, different thread. At least Carlos Mencia can steal new material.
 
2012-07-22 12:01:22 PM  

Jim_Tressel's_O-Face: Sandusky's family shouldn't have him taken away from him either blah blah blah.


What a fine rebuttal you've made.
 
2012-07-22 12:02:15 PM  

Jim_Tressel's_O-Face: consider this: NeoCortex42: The reason for punishing the program is that it's not just the individual people that made this happen, but also the idea that the program should be placed above all else.

That idea has nothing to do with the students, fans and community. A kid who worked their ass off to get a scholarship to play football shouldn't have that taken away from them. A business owner who relies on the dollars brought in by football fans flooding the area shouldn't lose out on that revenue. A fan that likes to root for his team shouldn't have that enjoyment taken away from them. Fire everybody, levy fines and then let them move on and prepare for the 2012 football season.

Sandusky's family shouldn't have him taken away from him either blah blah blah.

Same fail, different thread. At least Carlos Mencia can steal new material.


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Don't you get it? All Penn State football has done is to try to MAKE YOU HAPPY. And this is what you do to it? The same thing happened with Bernie Madoff. He has children! Grandchildren! A loving wife! And all you wanna do is PUNISH ALL OF THEM by locking Bernie up in some jail. LEAVE PENN STATE FOOTBALL ALONE!
 
2012-07-22 12:04:02 PM  

consider this: A business owner who relies on the dollars brought in by football fans flooding the area shouldn't lose out on that revenue.


This is the dumbest goddamn argument I've seen in Penn State threads, and that's saying something.

I'll use little words, so maybe you'll understand. If we "think about local business", you're arguing that schools like Penn State and Auburn should be punished differently for infractions than, say, a USC or Texas. A business in Los Angeles doesn't really depend on USC football, and a restaurant in Austin will survive without Longhorns games. Therefore, a more stringent punishment should be on the table for those schools than ones in traditional "college towns" like State College or Auburn?

No. Penn State is not extra special, nor are those businesses. You set up your business model around a football program, you risk the football program going away.
 
2012-07-22 12:04:07 PM  

consider this: What a fine rebuttal you've made.


Look at all the farks I give about what you think.

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2012-07-22 12:04:34 PM  

consider this: What point is there in punishing the university or the football program? Fire everybody even remotely connected to this and move on with new leadership. There's no reason that the students, fans and community should suffer for this scandal.


If that's the case the NCAA loses whatever validity it had. Recruiting violations, including openly paying players pales in comparison to this. If you can't put a stop to the PSU football program after this then you may as well say no one will ever again get the death penalty and it is now open season for athletic departments to do anything and everything they want to do or need to do to land a recruit.
 
2012-07-22 12:07:07 PM  

Gonz: This is the dumbest goddamn argument I've seen in Penn State threads, and that's saying something.


Yes, pointing out the severe economic impact local businesses would face if the football program is suspended for a year or more is dumb.

Gonz: you're arguing that schools like Penn State and Auburn should be punished differently for infractions than, say, a USC or Texas.


USC and Texas didn't have their programs suspended, moron.
 
2012-07-22 12:07:33 PM  
You know what I find creepy? The fact that "Joe Paterno" is referred to by his name, "Joe Paterno", on every release by the "Joe Paterno" family. The latest press release by the family of "Joe Paterno", on the removal of the "Joe Paterno" Statue, mentions "Joe Paterno" as "Joe Paterno" 5 times in an 8 sentence statement. When Jay Paterno, son of "Joe Paterno", mentions his father "Joe Paterno", he refers to him as either "Joe" or "Joe Paterno".

I think that helps solidify the thinking that "Joe Paterno" is bigger than PSU or life in the eyes of "Joe Paterno" fans.

When I refer to my 85 year old father, I call him "Dad".

/Joe Paterno
 
2012-07-22 12:09:55 PM  
The Kobe rape trial was the final straw for me; no more athlete hero worship. I admire what they do, but not who they are, because I do not know who they are.

The Paterno situation is very hard for me to reconcile because from everything I've heard, he did help probably thousands of young men through his coaching and leadership. He also influenced millions over his long career, during which he set a very good public example of how a college football program should be run.

But...

The Freeh report concludes that his actions and inaction enabled a child molester to ruin several people's lives.

I think in the final analysis, the reason the statue and any other tributes to the man should come down is how this re-frames his philosophy. I was under the impression that Paterno was a highly principled person who espoused a "do the right thing, always" philosophy. But in reality, it was "do the right thing for the football program" philosophy. Running a good program with regards to recruitment and player management may have put him at a disadvantage to less scrupulous programs, but ultimately, it ensured that players who committed to Penn State wanted to be there and would play hard for him. So, in the long run, that would be good for the program.

Likewise, investigating Sandusky circa 1998 would've been terribly embarrassing for the program. I think those who are saying it would've further canonized Paterno as someone who prevented child molestation are looking at it in hindsight, ignoring how long a proper investigation would've taken, how many headlines would've been written about Penn State's program--all negative--during that time, and how large a black eye it would've been if the allegations couldn't have been proven. Even if it had gone to trial at the time, there's a chance Sandusky would've been acquitted. And then Paterno would've been a guy who threw his friend under the bus. So, looking at this through Paterno's filter of "do what's right for the program" makes it easier to see how an otherwise good person could harbor such a horrible, serial child predator. Sometimes we only see what we want to see, especially when it involves friends. This in no way exonerates Paterno's behavior, but I can see how such an ugly thing could've manifested itself.

So the statue comes down and hopefully other Paterno references, too. [i'mokaywiththis.jpg] But I'm still undecided on how the NCAA should punish the school. That's a much more complex issue, but I guess we'll see how they've decided to handle it tomorrow.
 
2012-07-22 12:13:15 PM  
www.omdoubleg.com

/ secure location
 
2012-07-22 12:13:41 PM  

consider this: Gonz: This is the dumbest goddamn argument I've seen in Penn State threads, and that's saying something.

Yes, pointing out the severe economic impact local businesses would face if the football program is suspended for a year or more is dumb.

Gonz: you're arguing that schools like Penn State and Auburn should be punished differently for infractions than, say, a USC or Texas.

USC and Texas didn't have their programs suspended, moron.


You complete idiot. You really are dumber than a bag of hammers, aren't you? Your entire argument is that "Happy Valley's economy needs 7 home games a year."

By your pathetic rationale, you're saying that there needs to be two different standards of discipline for NCAA member institutions, based on the population of their community (and stadium size, in a sense). This is patently absurd. If the actions of one program deserve a certain punishment, then they deserve that punishment, period. If it affects local business, well, collateral damage happens.

Penn State is not special.
 
2012-07-22 12:14:19 PM  

consider this: NeoCortex42: The reason for punishing the program is that it's not just the individual people that made this happen, but also the idea that the program should be placed above all else.

That idea has nothing to do with the students, fans and community. A kid who worked their ass off to get a scholarship to play football shouldn't have that taken away from them. A business owner who relies on the dollars brought in by football fans flooding the area shouldn't lose out on that revenue. A fan that likes to root for his team shouldn't have that enjoyment taken away from them. Fire everybody, levy fines and then let them move on and prepare for the 2012 football season.


You still aren't getting it. THIS is the exact reason it was allowed to happen. Besides, if the death penalty is levied, all athletes are given the penalty free option to transfer.
 
2012-07-22 12:16:06 PM  
consider this:

Yes, pointing out the severe economic impact local businesses would face if the football program is suspended for a year or more is dumb.

Hey, there's always Penn State basketball, baseball, swimming, wrestling, chess ...
 
2012-07-22 12:18:04 PM  

consider this: Jim_Tressel's_O-Face: Sandusky's family shouldn't have him taken away from him either blah blah blah.

What a fine rebuttal you've made.


It was a great rebuttal.

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2012-07-22 12:19:31 PM  

Freak: Penn Stater's losing their minds.


I wish I could squeeze more impotent rage out of those JoPa apologist farks.

Eat it, you farks.
 
2012-07-22 12:19:35 PM  

Mitch Taylor's Bro: The Kobe rape trial was the final straw for me; no more athlete hero worship. I admire what they do, but not who they are, because I do not know who they are.


I agree, for the most part. I'll make an exception for people like Cal Ripken, Jr. There are some athletes that can be a major player in the game as well as a class act outside of it. Nobody should be worshiped for the sole reason of being talented at throwing or hitting a ball particularly well. That has nothing to do with character.
 
2012-07-22 12:19:50 PM  

Gonz: You complete idiot. You really are dumber than a bag of hammers, aren't you? Your entire argument is that "Happy Valley's economy needs 7 home games a year."


My entire argument is that people in no way connected to or responsible for the sex abuse shouldn't have their lives thrown upside down by the NCAA.

Keep up with the name calling though, it really helps your arguments.
 
2012-07-22 12:20:14 PM  

Mr. Coffee Nerves: Taking it down is the right thing to do, and taking it down at a time inconvenient to student rioting is the right thing to do.

Some media outlets here in PA are screaming about the timing being "another cover-up" -- only because they don't have cameras on-site.


The media is right - a Meigs Field type incident happened.

A place in Hell has been reserved for those involved with removing the statue and covering its removal up.

Hopefully a sane and less fever-pitched administration puts the statue back and apologizes for its removal.
 
2012-07-22 12:21:28 PM  

consider this: Yes, pointing out the severe economic impact local businesses would face if the football program is suspended for a year or more is dumb.


You know what? The more I think about it, the more I actually agree with you here. We should point out the severe economic impact.

I want businesses in State College to go under. I want to see people lose their personal fortunes. I want to see widespread economic devastation, of the type where the survivors pray that they be allowed to move to Detroit.

Maybe... just maybe... if we get that, then some of the people in Penn State would finally say "hey, maybe building a cult of personality around Joe Paterno wasn't the best idea, since JoePa was willing to do bad things to protect the program." Because, apparently, nothing else will get that message through their skulls.
 
2012-07-22 12:22:10 PM  

consider this: My entire argument is that people in no way connected to or responsible for the sex abuse shouldn't have their lives thrown upside down by the NCAA.


The school was responsible. And the blame for whatever the punishment is falls completely on them. If they didn't want others to suffer, they shouldn't have done what they did.
 
2012-07-22 12:22:37 PM  
'And while it is possible that they' (the media) 'may end up being "right" about their seemingly insatiable desire to destroy Paterno's reputation, if that indeed turns out to be the case it will be due far more to pure luck than to actual credible journalism.'

I'm not defending the horrific and despicable acts of Jerry Sandusky and all whom are involved in the cover up. But, the seething hate for Paterno perpetrated by the news media is scary. This story is a cash cow for these media outlets with increased viewership and circulation. In many cases, the general public is taking opinions put out by so called "media figureheads" as fact.

(By the way, can the Freeh report be used in a criminal trial? How about a civil one? I'm asking because I don't have a legal background. Several news articles seems to indicate that it's not admissible, but isn't there an opportunity to set legal precedent?)

As a Penn State alumnus, I want the whole truth. That truth may show that Paterno stated over and over to "keep it quiet' or "cover it up". It may also show that he really didn't know the extent of the crimes committed by Jerry Sandusky.

Imagine that someone in your family was "prosecuted" by the media without investigating and reporting all of the facts. How would you deal with it? Wouldn't you fund your own investigation, if you could afford it? The Paterno Family may not like what is uncovered, but at least we will be closer to the truth.

In the meantime, how many victims will refuse to come forward because of the media circus created in the interest of sucking in advertising dollars? Wouldn't the possibility over a victim's face plastered on TVs, magazines, and newspapers all over the world keep some victims from coming forward? That would be a shame.

Anyway, here is the Link to the article that contains the above quote.
 
2012-07-22 12:23:19 PM  

fonebone77: Joe reputation deserves to be destroyed. Everyone involved that covered it up should go to prison.

Having said that. You jackasses who are using this as a soap box to preach your disdain for sports and its fans are just as twisted as the PSU fans sticking up for these people. We get it. You hate anything but sitting around your local (non starbucks cause thats too mainstream) coffeehouse sipping your double sugar chocolate vanilla toffee coffee bashing everyone that is beneath you.


Actually, i think it might be possible to relegate sports to some reasonable middle ground, where it is the object of neither disdain nor adulation, but simply a fun, wholesome activity that we don't attach earth-shaking importance to.
But I suppose that's just crazy talk.
 
2012-07-22 12:23:23 PM  

consider this: moron.


consider this: Keep up with the name calling though, it really helps your arguments.


You've got to be a Penn State fan, to show hypocrisy like this.
 
2012-07-22 12:23:24 PM  

dmorack: As a Penn State alumnus, I want the whole truth. That truth may show that Paterno stated over and over to "keep it quiet' or "cover it up". It may also show that he really didn't know the extent of the crimes committed by Jerry Sandusky.


The reading the farking Freeh report.
 
2012-07-22 12:23:52 PM  
WhyteRaven74: he school was responsible. And the blame for whatever the punishment is falls completely on them. If they didn't want others to suffer, they shouldn't have done what they did.

THIS. Not only were they complacent in the abuse, they worked to actively cover it up.

fark JoePa, and fark Penn State.
 
2012-07-22 12:24:32 PM  
Gonz: consider this: moron.

consider this: Keep up with the name calling though, it really helps your arguments.

You've got to be a Penn State fan, to show hypocrisy like this.


He's a troll. Check out the join date.
 
2012-07-22 12:24:41 PM  

consider this: Gonz: You complete idiot. You really are dumber than a bag of hammers, aren't you? Your entire argument is that "Happy Valley's economy needs 7 home games a year."

My entire argument is that people in no way connected to or responsible for the sex abuse shouldn't have their lives thrown upside down by the NCAA.

Keep up with the name calling though, it really helps your arguments.


You know what we say to that? Shiat happens. You base a business on the local widget factory and the CEO uses the factory to sell 1/10th of his stuff to terrorists, do we just say"but the locals" when said factory gets shut down for supporting terrorism putting everyone out of a job?

Same goes here. You base a business on the success of the football team, that's your own damn fault, and I say that as someone who supports Ohio State and feels we got the correct punishment.
 
2012-07-22 12:24:50 PM  
All of this is moot anyways, word is out that the NCAA will not be suspending the football program. Nice to see that they have more common sense than a lot of other people.
 
2012-07-22 12:25:11 PM  

Gonz: consider this: Yes, pointing out the severe economic impact local businesses would face if the football program is suspended for a year or more is dumb.

You know what? The more I think about it, the more I actually agree with you here. We should point out the severe economic impact.

I want businesses in State College to go under. I want to see people lose their personal fortunes. I want to see widespread economic devastation, of the type where the survivors pray that they be allowed to move to Detroit.

Maybe... just maybe... if we get that, then some of the people in Penn State would finally say "hey, maybe building a cult of personality around Joe Paterno wasn't the best idea, since JoePa was willing to do bad things to protect the program." Because, apparently, nothing else will get that message through their skulls.


I like your point. It's disgusting to read what some Penn State folks are saying because of their denial. That woman in the quote I provided earlier was wearing a Joe Paterno T-shirt even though Joe Paterno is a child rape facilitator. They don't get it. Instead of jumping on news vans to protest Paterno's firing, they should have been in front of Sandusky's house, letting him know what they think of him.
 
2012-07-22 12:25:23 PM  

Trocadero


Anonymous sources claim "the Death Penalty might be preferable." Uh, I don't think they get what the point of the Death Penalty in this circumstance is supposed to accomplish. Even if they make Penn St football god awful terrible for years, it won't matter, b/c the football religious zealots will still be around and coming out for games.


I thought the whole point of the "death penalty" was that there would be no games: the entire football program would be shut down for some length of time.
 
2012-07-22 12:25:34 PM  

consider this: Gonz: You complete idiot. You really are dumber than a bag of hammers, aren't you? Your entire argument is that "Happy Valley's economy needs 7 home games a year."

My entire argument is that people in no way connected to or responsible for the sex abuse shouldn't have their lives thrown upside down by the NCAA.

Keep up with the name calling though, it really helps your arguments.


I hear you. I felt the same way about oven manufacturers after the allied forces took out the Nazi's.

Poor helpless oven manufacturers.
 
2012-07-22 12:25:48 PM  

sethstorm: Mr. Coffee Nerves: Taking it down is the right thing to do, and taking it down at a time inconvenient to student rioting is the right thing to do.

Some media outlets here in PA are screaming about the timing being "another cover-up" -- only because they don't have cameras on-site.

The media is right - a Meigs Field type incident happened.

A place in Hell has been reserved for those involved with removing the statue and covering its removal up.

Hopefully a sane and less fever-pitched administration puts the statue back and apologizes for its removal.


I was wondering when you were going to show up. Cheers, mate!

peterjsullivan.files.wordpress.com

(Ignore the elephant, this is a non-partisan issue but I'm too damn lazy to photoshop it out.)
 
2012-07-22 12:25:55 PM  
dmorack:

As a Penn State alumnus, I want the whole truth.

sbrownehr.com
 
2012-07-22 12:26:52 PM  
About damn time...Should have been removed about an hour after the Freeh report came out. Take his name off the Library & the change the flavor names at the Creamery while you're at it.

It doesn't matter how much JoePa did for the school, when it came time to live up to his own rhetoric, Joe proved that hollow words were not as important as THE PROGRAM.

The fools still worshiping Saint Joe are the proof that big time football needs to go away for a while. When you hide & enable a pedophile for over a decade, you should be an object of derision, not a rallying point for imbeciles.

FOOTBALL is not as important as BOY RAPE , no matter how much gold it adds to the PSU coffers.

Remove ALL the trustees who were in place over that time, they could only be trusted to not ask too many questions. PROSECUTE EVERYONE involved with the cover-up & sentence them to a real prison like Graterford if convicted.


WE ARE..disillusioned & disgusted
 
2012-07-22 12:27:49 PM  

gimmegimme: Mean Daddy: This doesn't strike anyone of being Leninesque and I don't mean John Lennon. Remove people from pictures, official records etc.

Unfortunately, Paterno's legacy will live on for decades in the mental trauma caused by the rape he facilitated. Don't worry. Paterno will be remembered for all of the damage he did to the victims, Penn State and human dignity.


I'd love it if sports announcers had the temerity to introduce him as "Joe Paterno, child-rape enabler and football coach" from now on.

I'd also like them to try his farking corpse for perjury so he has a posthumous felony related to this.

But then again, football.
 
2012-07-22 12:28:01 PM  

sethstorm: Mr. Coffee Nerves: Taking it down is the right thing to do, and taking it down at a time inconvenient to student rioting is the right thing to do.

Some media outlets here in PA are screaming about the timing being "another cover-up" -- only because they don't have cameras on-site.

The media is right - a Meigs Field type incident happened.

A place in Hell has been reserved for those involved with removing the statue and covering its removal up.

Hopefully a sane and less fever-pitched administration puts the statue back and apologizes for its removal.


Why are you condemning the people who DIDN'T facilitate and pay a serial child rapist? Why don't you instead condemn those who DID facilitate and compensate a serial child rapist?
 
2012-07-22 12:28:25 PM  

FriarReb98: You people need farking lives, or a bj, or a shiatload of sedatives and therapy. None of you would have the balls to go up to a Penn State fan or football player and say half the shiat you're saying in person.

Go ahead, hate on me. I'm done with this thread.


Folding like a ten-year-old in a PSU shower, FriarReb98 flounces off into the sunset.
 
2012-07-22 12:28:57 PM  

WhyteRaven74: dmorack: As a Penn State alumnus, I want the whole truth. That truth may show that Paterno stated over and over to "keep it quiet' or "cover it up". It may also show that he really didn't know the extent of the crimes committed by Jerry Sandusky.

The reading the farking Freeh report.


Try reading the article linked in my comment. You missed my point.
 
2012-07-22 12:29:33 PM  
Nananana.

Nananana.

Hey hey.

Goodbyeeeee.

/Goodbye and good riddiance
 
2012-07-22 12:29:51 PM  
One of the Sandusky jurors said that removing the statue was the wrong thing to do.
 
2012-07-22 12:30:08 PM  

Fear the Clam: FriarReb98: You people need farking lives, or a bj, or a shiatload of sedatives and therapy. None of you would have the balls to go up to a Penn State fan or football player and say half the shiat you're saying in person.

Go ahead, hate on me. I'm done with this thread.

Folding like a ten-year-old in a PSU shower, FriarReb98 flounces off into the sunset.


There's a ten-year-old on the PSU shower? Let me call my dad...

Okay, you know what? I'll call my boss in a few days. I don't want to ruin his weekend.
 
2012-07-22 12:30:09 PM  
Penn State Football: Too big to fail.
 
2012-07-22 12:31:10 PM  

OKObserver: The NCAA death penalty against Penn State is gaining traction. The penalty, I believe, will eliminate their football program for at least one year, maybe more. This would only be the 2nd time it's ever been done.


Guntram Shatterhand: Pappas: If the reports of "unprecedented action" are right, that would mean the punishment against Penn State would be more far reaching than the death penalty handed down to SMU in the 80s:

-One season cancelled, including practices (they were allowed to play away games to keep from punishing other schools, but elected not to)
-Bowl and TV ban
-Major loss in scholarships and restrictions on the number of coaches hired
-Recruiting restrictions

The ban on SMU effectively crippled their program (and, some argue, their conference), to a point where the NCAA actually said later that they regretted being so harsh. But SMUs violations, while egregious and systemic, were of the "paying players to play" variety. Systemic child molestation, including an untold number of employees covering it up, from the President to the janitorial staff, could easily warrant stronger action.

/I'm OK with this

I bet the Penn State football program will be a memory on Monday. Examples must be made, and I wouldn't be surprised if this is the kind of shiat that bans a football program for a century or two.


At least the players can transfer (I hope). Unfortunately, a lot of them won't have the cash or ability to unless they can keep their scholarships.

The local economy is about to have a really harsh shafting. Hate it for the mom and pop stores in the area, it's going to hit them hard.
 
2012-07-22 12:31:35 PM  
To all penn state fans:

The longer and louder you scream your butthurt about receiving ANY sort of institutional punishment for a culture that places football before the welfare of children, the more you make the rest of realize that YES penn state has a "culture problem" and that YES you guys need to be punished heavily because you JUST DON'T SEEM TO FARKIN GET IT.
 
2012-07-22 12:32:30 PM  
 
2012-07-22 12:32:48 PM  

Gonz: consider this: Yes, pointing out the severe economic impact local businesses would face if the football program is suspended for a year or more is dumb.


I want businesses in State College to go under. I want to see people lose their personal fortunes. I want to see widespread economic devastation, of the type where the survivors pray that they be allowed to move to Detroit.

Maybe... just maybe... if we get that, then some of the people in Penn State would finally say "hey, maybe building a cult of personality around Joe Paterno wasn't the best idea, since JoePa was willing to do bad things to protect the program." Because, apparently, nothing else will get that message through their skulls.


The only thing that needs to go through anything is something that results in one less rabid anti-Paterno activist.
 
2012-07-22 12:33:08 PM  

dmorack: Try reading the article linked in my comment. You missed my point.


I just did, and it's garbage. Paterno brought it all on himself by actions and decisions. And no one is trying to destroy his reputation, he destroyed it himself.
 
2012-07-22 12:34:29 PM  

sethstorm: The only thing that needs to go through anything is something that results in one less rabid anti-Paterno activist.


You're defending a man who did the indefensible. Nothing else he did in his life means a damn thing now.
 
2012-07-22 12:34:30 PM  

sethstorm: Gonz: consider this: Yes, pointing out the severe economic impact local businesses would face if the football program is suspended for a year or more is dumb.


I want businesses in State College to go under. I want to see people lose their personal fortunes. I want to see widespread economic devastation, of the type where the survivors pray that they be allowed to move to Detroit.

Maybe... just maybe... if we get that, then some of the people in Penn State would finally say "hey, maybe building a cult of personality around Joe Paterno wasn't the best idea, since JoePa was willing to do bad things to protect the program." Because, apparently, nothing else will get that message through their skulls.

The only thing that needs to go through anything is something that results in one less rabid anti-Paterno activist.


Why aren't you an anti-Paterno activist? Do you support his actions in facilitating child rape and making sure the child rapist got a cash bonus and continued use of the rape facilities?
 
2012-07-22 12:34:48 PM  

NeoCortex42: Mitch Taylor's Bro: The Kobe rape trial was the final straw for me; no more athlete hero worship. I admire what they do, but not who they are, because I do not know who they are.

I agree, for the most part. I'll make an exception for people like Cal Ripken, Jr. There are some athletes that can be a major player in the game as well as a class act outside of it. Nobody should be worshiped for the sole reason of being talented at throwing or hitting a ball particularly well. That has nothing to do with character.


I can appreciate the fact that he always showed up for work, and played the game very well, but not much more. Why? Because I don't know him. All I know of him is what I've read...and sports journalists are known to straddle the truth, with one foot in idolization and the other in demonization.

I mean, based on what I've read over the years, I kind of admired Joe Paterno for the way I thought he ran the Penn State program. Then, when a deeper truth is revealed, it all comes tumbling down.

So even Cal Ripkin Jr. doesn't get a pass from me. If for some strange reason we become BFFs, that may change. But I seriously doubt that will happen :-)
 
2012-07-22 12:35:12 PM  

WizardofToast: Nananana.

Nananana.

Hey hey.

Goodbyeeeee.

/Goodbye and good riddiance


..to you rabid activists.
 
2012-07-22 12:35:41 PM  
24.media.tumblr.com

It's my estimation that every man ever got a statue made of him was one kind of sommbiatch or another.
Ain't about you, Jayne. It's about what they need.
 
2012-07-22 12:35:44 PM  
I'm setting my expectations low. The death penalty won't be meted out. NCAA loses more than it gains in that scenario.

NCAA will profit greatly off of any televised Penn State game this season, people will tune in who do not normally tune in because of all of the media attention. What better way to capitalize on this than by handing down an unprecedented punishment where all revenues that would normally go to Penn State via football are instead diverted either to the victims, a child abuse awareness program, or both? NCAA gets to look like the hero, righting a wrong, and Penn State gets to keep its' too-precious BIG TIME COLLEGE FOOTBALL.

Meanwhile not a single thing will have been done to address the real problem, the fact that BIG TIME COLLEGE FOOTBALL cultures move people to act in its' defense even when it means allowing child rape.
 
2012-07-22 12:36:23 PM  

zomega: The local economy is about to have a really harsh shafting. Hate it for the mom and pop stores in the area, it's going to hit them hard.


I feel a little less sympathetic for them considering what happened to the first victim. This is obviously a community problem as much as an institutional one, as the institution got the community to buy into the football program almost at a religious level. Not every single person in the State College area is to blame for blindly supporting their program, but when you have a community-wide misappropriation of priorities, economic impact isn't a viable defense.
 
2012-07-22 12:36:46 PM  

sethstorm: ..to you rabid activists.


Be happy I have no say in what the NCAA does, or come tomorrow morning the all time winningest football coach in NCAA Div 1A history would be Bobbie Bowden.
 
2012-07-22 12:36:47 PM  

consider this: All of this is moot anyways, word is out that the NCAA will not be suspending the football program. Nice to see that they have more common sense than a lot of other people.


Word is also out that the penalty may be such that they wish they got the death penalty.

/don't really care either way - it's football
//what matters is: will Penn State institute the kinds of institutional reforms (including but not limited to football) that will keep shiat like this from repeating.
///In reaction to removing the statue, one trustee said: "People want to kick Joe's bones, it's outrageous." Interesting.
 
2012-07-22 12:36:55 PM  

Mitch Taylor's Bro: NeoCortex42: Mitch Taylor's Bro: The Kobe rape trial was the final straw for me; no more athlete hero worship. I admire what they do, but not who they are, because I do not know who they are.

I agree, for the most part. I'll make an exception for people like Cal Ripken, Jr. There are some athletes that can be a major player in the game as well as a class act outside of it. Nobody should be worshiped for the sole reason of being talented at throwing or hitting a ball particularly well. That has nothing to do with character.

I can appreciate the fact that he always showed up for work, and played the game very well, but not much more. Why? Because I don't know him. All I know of him is what I've read...and sports journalists are known to straddle the truth, with one foot in idolization and the other in demonization.

I mean, based on what I've read over the years, I kind of admired Joe Paterno for the way I thought he ran the Penn State program. Then, when a deeper truth is revealed, it all comes tumbling down.

So even Cal Ripkin Jr. doesn't get a pass from me. If for some strange reason we become BFFs, that may change. But I seriously doubt that will happen :-)


I admire Ripken a great deal. He has always done a lot for baseball. If I found out that he facilitated serial child rape, I would think he's a piece of garbage and that the Orioles should take down his statue.
 
2012-07-22 12:37:50 PM  

veedeevadeevoodee: consider this:

Yes, pointing out the severe economic impact local businesses would face if the football program is suspended for a year or more is dumb.

Hey, there's always Penn State basketball, baseball, swimming, wrestling, chess ...


If the university can't survive on academics, then it really shouldn't be a farking university in the first place.

If the town falls apart, remove the university's accreditation, and spend the money on a university that can run itself.
 
2012-07-22 12:38:39 PM  

consider this: What point is there in punishing the university or the football program? Fire everybody even remotely connected to this and move on with new leadership. There's no reason that the students, fans and community should suffer for this scandal.


Oftentimes the only treatment for cancer is to cut it out. The PSU football program, administration, and cult-like fans, and community are a cancer on decent society. They are not reasonable actors in this, so fairly drastic action must be taken. PSU earned this by endorsing child rapist(s? -there is an ongoing investigation for the Second Mile donors) for decades. They earned this. It's a pity these ignorant fools can not accept reality, but it is what it is.
 
2012-07-22 12:39:56 PM  

UNC_Samurai: This is obviously a community problem as much as an institutional one


Oh bullshiat it is. This is one of the stupidest damn things I've seen posted about this story. People being big fans of college football has not a goddamn thing to do with a few assholes deciding to turn a blind eye to what Sandusky was doing.

You want us to believe that the thinking of those in power was that if they went public with the information they had, it would have destroyed the football program. That's complete and utter crap.
 
2012-07-22 12:41:51 PM  

gimmegimme: Gonz: consider this: Yes, pointing out the severe economic impact local businesses would face if the football program is suspended for a year or more is dumb.

You know what? The more I think about it, the more I actually agree with you here. We should point out the severe economic impact.

I want businesses in State College to go under. I want to see people lose their personal fortunes. I want to see widespread economic devastation, of the type where the survivors pray that they be allowed to move to Detroit.

Maybe... just maybe... if we get that, then some of the people in Penn State would finally say "hey, maybe building a cult of personality around Joe Paterno wasn't the best idea, since JoePa was willing to do bad things to protect the program." Because, apparently, nothing else will get that message through their skulls.

I like your point. It's disgusting to read what some Penn State folks are saying because of their denial. That woman in the quote I provided earlier was wearing a Joe Paterno T-shirt even though Joe Paterno is a child rape facilitator. They don't get it. Instead of jumping on news vans to protest Paterno's firing, they should have been in front of Sandusky's house, letting him know what they think of him.


Thanking him for his awesome coaching of the linebackers? Cheering his love of children, and gifts to the community?

Hey, you said what THEY think of him, not a group of sane people.
 
2012-07-22 12:42:00 PM  

Wile_E._Quixote: Now if they could just remove Sandusky as permanently.

/...and some students are still defending him?
//Not even defending, just claiming he doesnt deserve this.
///They're right - he deserved none of these smears


FTFY.

Now if they could remove the rabid anti-Paterno folks as permanently and put them in a secure location away from the public. Wouldnt need to remove the statue at all.
 
2012-07-22 12:43:26 PM  

sethstorm: Wile_E._Quixote: Now if they could just remove Sandusky as permanently.

/...and some students are still defending him?
//Not even defending, just claiming he doesnt deserve this.
///They're right - he deserved none of these smears

FTFY.

Now if they could remove the rabid anti-Paterno folks as permanently and put them in a secure location away from the public. Wouldnt need to remove the statue at all.


Why aren't you an anti-Paterno activist? Do you support his actions in facilitating child rape and making sure the child rapist got a cash bonus and continued use of the rape facilities?
 
2012-07-22 12:44:51 PM  

consider this: UNC_Samurai: This is obviously a community problem as much as an institutional one

Oh bullshiat it is. This is one of the stupidest damn things I've seen posted about this story. People being big fans of college football has not a goddamn thing to do with a few assholes deciding to turn a blind eye to what Sandusky was doing.

You want us to believe that the thinking of those in power was that if they went public with the information they had, it would have destroyed the football program. That's complete and utter crap.


So what's the other choice? "They covered up to protect their donations"?

Saying penn state was covering it up to protect the moralistic illusion they had built around football, rather than penn state was covering up to protect their money, seems to be giving the benefit of any moral doubt to penn state.

/Joe Pa covered it up cuz he was worried about his paycheck.
//see?
 
2012-07-22 12:47:27 PM  

consider this: UNC_Samurai: This is obviously a community problem as much as an institutional one

Oh bullshiat it is. This is one of the stupidest damn things I've seen posted about this story. People being big fans of college football has not a goddamn thing to do with a few assholes deciding to turn a blind eye to what Sandusky was doing.

You want us to believe that the thinking of those in power was that if they went public with the information they had, it would have destroyed the football program. That's complete and utter crap.

the boy's extreme fear, along with anonymous threats delivered by telephone and letter after his name was linked to the investigation, set in motion elaborate plans by Clinton County, Pa., youth authorities to relocate the victim and his mother if their safety was put at risk.


Your attempts at trolling are finding about as successful as Courtney Brown's NFL career. Go back to using whatever alt got people in the Politics Tab more riled up.
 
2012-07-22 12:48:11 PM  
 
2012-07-22 12:49:09 PM  
consider this:

You want us to believe that the thinking of those in power was that if they went public with the information they had, it would have destroyed the football program. That's complete and utter crap.

dorrys.com

/ your fear betrays you ... fear that tomorrow, your beloved football program will get hammered with punishment the likes we've never seen
// oh, and [hemad.jpg]
 
2012-07-22 12:49:25 PM  

UNC_Samurai: Your attempts at trolling are finding about as successful as Courtney Brown's NFL career.


media.cleveland.com
 
2012-07-22 12:49:31 PM  

consider this: UNC_Samurai: This is obviously a community problem as much as an institutional one

Oh bullshiat it is. This is one of the stupidest damn things I've seen posted about this story. People being big fans of college football has not a goddamn thing to do with a few assholes deciding to turn a blind eye to what Sandusky was doing.



"When the first of Jerry Sandusky's victims came forward about his abuse, members of his own community called him a liar, in effect re-victimizing him. He first spoke of the abuse to school personnel who actually told him to think about the allegations he was making. The principal of his Central Mountain High School, Karen Probst, and vice principal Steve Turchetta discouraged the victim's mother from calling authorities to investigate.
Eventually, the victim was ostracized to the point where he had to transfer schools to get away from the bullying he faced. His classmates, teachers and community all claimed it was his fault that Joe Paterno, Penn State's football coach, was fired. They labeled him a liar and blamed him for the scandal. Telling a victim that you don't believe them is the worst thing you can do."

Link

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2012-07-22 12:49:51 PM  

sethstorm: Oftentimes the only treatment for cancer is to cut it out. This can be done by removing opponents of Paterno from any position of power or influence to cause extrajudicial things like covered-up statue removals. It's a pity these rabid fools that oppose Paterno (and oppose justice) can not accept reality, but it is what it is.


you're the one opposed to justice
 
2012-07-22 12:50:09 PM  

UNC_Samurai: consider this: UNC_Samurai: This is obviously a community problem as much as an institutional one

Oh bullshiat it is. This is one of the stupidest damn things I've seen posted about this story. People being big fans of college football has not a goddamn thing to do with a few assholes deciding to turn a blind eye to what Sandusky was doing.

You want us to believe that the thinking of those in power was that if they went public with the information they had, it would have destroyed the football program. That's complete and utter crap.

the boy's extreme fear, along with anonymous threats delivered by telephone and letter after his name was linked to the investigation, set in motion elaborate plans by Clinton County, Pa., youth authorities to relocate the victim and his mother if their safety was put at risk.

Your attempts at trolling are finding about as successful as Courtney Brown's NFL career. Go back to using whatever alt got people in the Politics Tab more riled up.


Sports: Like the politics tab, but with training wheels.
 
2012-07-22 12:50:33 PM  
Say whatever bad things you want about Penn State fans, but at least they support child rape a lot.
 
2012-07-22 12:51:02 PM  

jso2897: fonebone77: Joe reputation deserves to be destroyed. Everyone involved that covered it up should go to prison.

Having said that. You jackasses who are using this as a soap box to preach your disdain for sports and its fans are just as twisted as the PSU fans sticking up for these people. We get it. You hate anything but sitting around your local (non starbucks cause thats too mainstream) coffeehouse sipping your double sugar chocolate vanilla toffee coffee bashing everyone that is beneath you.

Actually, i think it might be possible to relegate sports to some reasonable middle ground, where it is the object of neither disdain nor adulation, but simply a fun, wholesome activity that we don't attach earth-shaking importance to.
But I suppose that's just crazy talk.


Which is what it is for the vast majority of fans. Sure, there are extremists, but there are extremists in everything. I get excited during games and i hate when my team loses, but thats as far as it goes. The expectation seems to be that penn state fans all should feel responsible and that is total bs in my opinion. Im an OU fan. Should i feel responsible for what barry switzer allowed some of his players to do?
 
2012-07-22 12:52:07 PM  

jaytkay: Say whatever bad things you want about Penn State fans, but at least they support child rape a lot.


True, true. If it's one thing that Paterno taught his men, it's that you need to have your priorities straight and keep the health of the institution above everything else.
 
2012-07-22 12:52:53 PM  
Dig up JoePa's bones and defecate on his chest.

Scumbag Joe - may you burn in hell.
 
2012-07-22 12:55:17 PM  

Vodka Zombie: PunGent: Vodka Zombie: PunGent: Yeah...I don't know about anyone else, but I wouldn't be defending the coverup of a death, either.

You've obviously never seen Road House.

Err...been quite awhile...remind me?

The end. Everyone's dead, and the cops ask if anyone saw anything.

No one did.


Ah, gotcha...in my defense, I don't think I've seen that all the way through since it was in the theaters...

Anyway, ya, covering up dead guys is OK in my book in very limited circumstances, how about that?
 
2012-07-22 12:56:40 PM  

gimmegimme: Why aren't you an anti-Paterno activist? Do you support his actions in facilitating child rape and making sure the child rapist got a cash bonus and continued use of the rape facilities?


I believe in this thing called justice, which was already served. You believe in an insatiable and rabid rage. Justice was served well before Penn State's president went all Meigs Field on the statue.

This covert & extrajudicial statue removal should cause some heads to roll until the statue is restored. If you want anything done, swap out the integrity with a large plaque of his more that good football record.

All this anti-Paterno stuff sounds like people are using every excuse under the sun to get back at PSU for some unrelated and insignificant grievance of their own.
 
2012-07-22 12:57:30 PM  
Rape Finger needed to be taken down. Now they need their scholarships taken away and the right to play for 5 years. That would be a start.
 
2012-07-22 12:57:34 PM  

UNC_Samurai: Your attempts at trolling are finding about as successful as Courtney Brown's NFL career.


alltheragefaces.com
 
2012-07-22 12:58:52 PM  

sethstorm: gimmegimme: Why aren't you an anti-Paterno activist? Do you support his actions in facilitating child rape and making sure the child rapist got a cash bonus and continued use of the rape facilities?

I believe in this thing called justice, which was already served. You believe in an insatiable and rabid rage. Justice was served well before Penn State's president went all Meigs Field on the statue.

This covert & extrajudicial statue removal should cause some heads to roll until the statue is restored. If you want anything done, swap out the integrity with a large plaque of his more that good football record.

All this anti-Paterno stuff sounds like people are using every excuse under the sun to get back at PSU for some unrelated and insignificant grievance of their own.


Justice? I don't remember Joe Paterno going to jail for facilitating child rape.

Why are you using the past tense with respect to "justice"? The Penn State administration is still going to be tried and will likely go to jail. The college and the Pedoterno estate have not yet faced their civil suits. Penn State fans are going to hear an awful lot of abuse for years to come.

You are in denial. Very little about this case is over and you're going to be "suffering" for a very long time.
 
2012-07-22 12:59:44 PM  

sethstorm: gimmegimme: Why aren't you an anti-Paterno activist? Do you support his actions in facilitating child rape and making sure the child rapist got a cash bonus and continued use of the rape facilities?

I believe in this thing called justice, which was already served. You believe in an insatiable and rabid rage. Justice was served well before Penn State's president went all Meigs Field on the statue.

This covert & extrajudicial statue removal should cause some heads to roll until the statue is restored. If you want anything done, swap out the integrity with a large plaque of his more that good football record.

All this anti-Paterno stuff sounds like people are using every excuse under the sun to get back at PSU for some unrelated and insignificant grievance of their own.


Let me ask you; what if Parerno has a losing record? Would you defend him as much? His record of helping thousands of football players become men has forever become tainted and washed away by the unforgivable blind eye he turned to those in need for the sake of "protecting the program"
 
2012-07-22 01:00:43 PM  

sethstorm: Wile_E._Quixote: Now if they could just remove Sandusky as permanently.

/...and some students are still defending him?
//Not even defending, just claiming he doesnt deserve this.
///They're right - he deserved none of these smears

FTFY.

Now if they could remove the rabid anti-Paterno folks as permanently and put them in a secure location away from the public. Wouldnt need to remove the statue at all.


You'd have a pretty small percentage of the public left. Outside of the Penn State area, there is no support for that position.
Society's main interest in "punishments" is the future deterrence of the behavior in question. Simply punishing a few guilty individuals in this situation does nothing. The program continues, the money keeps rolling in - and the lesson is, if you win, nobody cares. And there is no incentive for the next bunch in charge to not do the same thing.
I would rather give the message "Do, or conceal, these things, and your precious "program" will become history - you will have no honor, no glory - and no program".
That might serve as a deterrent. And deterring this sort of behavior is worlds of magnitude more important than preserving a sports program.
 
2012-07-22 01:00:54 PM  

jayphat: sethstorm: gimmegimme: Why aren't you an anti-Paterno activist? Do you support his actions in facilitating child rape and making sure the child rapist got a cash bonus and continued use of the rape facilities?

I believe in this thing called justice, which was already served. You believe in an insatiable and rabid rage. Justice was served well before Penn State's president went all Meigs Field on the statue.

This covert & extrajudicial statue removal should cause some heads to roll until the statue is restored. If you want anything done, swap out the integrity with a large plaque of his more that good football record.

All this anti-Paterno stuff sounds like people are using every excuse under the sun to get back at PSU for some unrelated and insignificant grievance of their own.

Let me ask you; what if Parerno has a losing record? Would you defend him as much? His record of helping thousands of football players become men has forever become tainted and washed away by the unforgivable blind eye he turned to those in need for the sake of "protecting the program"


I just love how sethstorm thinks "facilitating serial child rape" qualifies as "every excuse under the sun."
 
2012-07-22 01:01:04 PM  
The Penn State administration is still going to be tried and will likely go to jail.

Who's up on the block next? I am totally lost. Besides McQueary
 
2012-07-22 01:01:06 PM  

sethstorm: which was already served


Per the Freeh report, Paterno insisted football players be disciplined differently from all other Penn State students. That's a violation of a rather big NCAA rule. The athletic department went along with that, knowing full well it's against the rules. That's a lack of institutional control. And the NCAA hasn't dealt with that issue yet. Or any other NCAA rules infractions.
 
2012-07-22 01:02:09 PM  

gimmegimme: You are in denial. Very little about this case is over and you're going to be "suffering" for a very long time.


Ain't it the truth? Every time I empty my bottle of Tears of Impotent Rage, he fills it right back up. You want a shot? '12 is proving itself a good vintage.
 
2012-07-22 01:02:40 PM  

jayphat: sethstorm: gimmegimme: Why aren't you an anti-Paterno activist? Do you support his actions in facilitating child rape and making sure the child rapist got a cash bonus and continued use of the rape facilities?

I believe in this thing called justice, which was already served. You believe in an insatiable and rabid rage. Justice was served well before Penn State's president went all Meigs Field on the statue.

This covert & extrajudicial statue removal should cause some heads to roll until the statue is restored. If you want anything done, swap out the integrity with a large plaque of his more that good football record.

All this anti-Paterno stuff sounds like people are using every excuse under the sun to get back at PSU for some unrelated and insignificant grievance of their own.

Let me ask you; what if Parerno has a losing record? Would you defend him as much? His record of helping thousands of football players become men has forever become tainted and washed away by the unforgivable blind eye he turned to those in need for the sake of "protecting the program"


What, you think the fact that he murdered two people should overshadow OJ's 2000 yard season? The courts have taken care of OJ - ignoring his remarkable accomplishments is just ugly vengeance.
 
2012-07-22 01:03:14 PM  

WhyteRaven74: sethstorm: Oftentimes the only treatment for cancer is to cut it out. This can be done by removing opponents of Paterno from any position of power or influence to cause extrajudicial things like covered-up statue removals. It's a pity these rabid fools that oppose Paterno (and oppose justice) can not accept reality, but it is what it is.

you're the one opposed to justice


Justice was served in court. This Sunday was not justice.

Justice will be served by removing the people that removed the statue, completed by a replacement of the statue.
 
2012-07-22 01:03:24 PM  

jayphat: sethstorm: gimmegimme: Why aren't you an anti-Paterno activist? Do you support his actions in facilitating child rape and making sure the child rapist got a cash bonus and continued use of the rape facilities?

I believe in this thing called justice, which was already served. You believe in an insatiable and rabid rage. Justice was served well before Penn State's president went all Meigs Field on the statue.

This covert & extrajudicial statue removal should cause some heads to roll until the statue is restored. If you want anything done, swap out the integrity with a large plaque of his more that good football record.

All this anti-Paterno stuff sounds like people are using every excuse under the sun to get back at PSU for some unrelated and insignificant grievance of their own.

Let me ask you; what if Parerno has a losing record? Would you defend him as much? His record of helping thousands of football players become men has forever become tainted and washed away by the unforgivable blind eye he turned to those in need for the sake of "protecting the program"


I would hardly describe Paterno as a "great" coach. He had the same job for thirty years, that doesn't make him great. Hell, for the past couple of years it was pretty clear he couldn't really understand what was going on down on the field. They might as well have had dead uncle Bernie up in the booth if they wanted a figurehead.
 
2012-07-22 01:04:20 PM  

zomega: Who's up on the block next?


Curley and Schulz. I fully expect Curley's trial to be a comedy goldmine. Spanier by all rights should be indicted any day now.
 
2012-07-22 01:04:45 PM  

sethstorm: Justice was served in court.


Not for Penn State's rules infractions. Like violating the rule about treating all athletes equally with the student body.
 
2012-07-22 01:04:49 PM  

AliceBToklasLives: jayphat: sethstorm: gimmegimme: Why aren't you an anti-Paterno activist? Do you support his actions in facilitating child rape and making sure the child rapist got a cash bonus and continued use of the rape facilities?

I believe in this thing called justice, which was already served. You believe in an insatiable and rabid rage. Justice was served well before Penn State's president went all Meigs Field on the statue.

This covert & extrajudicial statue removal should cause some heads to roll until the statue is restored. If you want anything done, swap out the integrity with a large plaque of his more that good football record.

All this anti-Paterno stuff sounds like people are using every excuse under the sun to get back at PSU for some unrelated and insignificant grievance of their own.

Let me ask you; what if Parerno has a losing record? Would you defend him as much? His record of helping thousands of football players become men has forever become tainted and washed away by the unforgivable blind eye he turned to those in need for the sake of "protecting the program"

What, you think the fact that he murdered two people should overshadow OJ's 2000 yard season? The courts have taken care of OJ - ignoring his remarkable accomplishments is just ugly vengeance.


If he murdered two people during the middle of said 2000 yard season, fark yes. Wipe that biatch clean.
 
2012-07-22 01:04:50 PM  

sethstorm: WhyteRaven74: sethstorm: Oftentimes the only treatment for cancer is to cut it out. This can be done by removing opponents of Paterno from any position of power or influence to cause extrajudicial things like covered-up statue removals. It's a pity these rabid fools that oppose Paterno (and oppose justice) can not accept reality, but it is what it is.

you're the one opposed to justice

Justice was served in court. This Sunday was not justice.

Justice will be served by removing the people that removed the statue, completed by a replacement of the statue.


Why do you use the past tense with "justice," considering all of the legal and NCAA problems the college is going to have for years, if not decades?
 
2012-07-22 01:07:35 PM  

consider this: NeoCortex42: The reason for punishing the program is that it's not just the individual people that made this happen, but also the idea that the program should be placed above all else.

That idea has nothing to do with the students, fans and community. A kid who worked their ass off to get a scholarship to play football shouldn't have that taken away from them. A business owner who relies on the dollars brought in by football fans flooding the area shouldn't lose out on that revenue. A fan that likes to root for his team shouldn't have that enjoyment taken away from them. Fire everybody, levy fines and then let them move on and prepare for the 2012 football season. Because, really, who cares that a few kids got raped by an old man and the university power structure covered it up to preserve all the stuff I just talked about. It's football, guys!


FTFY
 
2012-07-22 01:09:28 PM  

pd2001: "When the first of Jerry Sandusky's victims came forward about his abuse, members of his own community called him a liar, in effect re-victimizing him. He first spoke of the abuse to school personnel who actually told him to think about the allegations he was making. The principal of his Central Mountain High School, Karen Probst, and vice principal Steve Turchetta discouraged the victim's mother from calling authorities to investigate.
Eventually, the victim was ostracized to the point where he had to transfer schools to get away from the bullying he faced. His classmates, teachers and community all claimed it was his fault that Joe Paterno, Penn State's football coach, was fired. They labeled him a liar and blamed him for the scandal. Telling a victim that you don't believe them is the worst thing you can do."


That, right there, is probably one of the things the NCAA is going to consider most in their punishment. They are rather big on evaluating the culture within AND surrounding an athletic program, and looking at how toxic things currently are at Penn State with regards to the school and the community, it's going to be a brutal punishment. And, they kind of deserve it.
 
2012-07-22 01:09:43 PM  

UNC_Samurai: zomega: The local economy is about to have a really harsh shafting. Hate it for the mom and pop stores in the area, it's going to hit them hard.

I feel a little less sympathetic for them considering what happened to the first victim. This is obviously a community problem as much as an institutional one, as the institution got the community to buy into the football program almost at a religious level. Not every single person in the State College area is to blame for blindly supporting their program, but when you have a community-wide misappropriation of priorities, economic impact isn't a viable defense.


FTA: "The child's identity spread rapidly through the community, the psychologist said, making him and his mother the target of harassment - and ultimately threats of harm - by locals upset that Sandusky had been dismissed from the school."

See, quotes like that tend to move me from the "I don't give a f*ck about college football" camp into the "turn college football stadiums into mass graves for the fans" camp.

/yes, I have a teensy problem with over-reaction
//why do you ask?
 
2012-07-22 01:10:37 PM  
I'm pretty sure that if this happened at my alma mater a few of the more resourceful chemistry students would have have melted it down with thermite several weeks ago.
 
2012-07-22 01:10:40 PM  
 
2012-07-22 01:12:01 PM  

Freak: Penn Stater's losing their minds.


One of them compared this to the French Revolution.
 
2012-07-22 01:14:36 PM  

veedeevadeevoodee: Play Of The Week FLASHBACK ... 2006 ... Joe Paterno poops his pants (video)


What are you doing here? Seriously, why are you on FARK right now, when you could be posting this fantastic material on some PSU message boards? You could cause some myocardial infarctions, get people's heads to literally explode!

JoooooooooPaaaaaaa!*POP*
 
2012-07-22 01:15:08 PM  
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2012-07-22 01:15:12 PM  

Need_MindBleach: Freak: Penn Stater's losing their minds.

One of them compared this to the French Revolution.


Nice to see someone was paying attention in European History class.
 
2012-07-22 01:15:18 PM  

fonebone77: jso2897: fonebone77: Joe reputation deserves to be destroyed. Everyone involved that covered it up should go to prison.

Having said that. You jackasses who are using this as a soap box to preach your disdain for sports and its fans are just as twisted as the PSU fans sticking up for these people. We get it. You hate anything but sitting around your local (non starbucks cause thats too mainstream) coffeehouse sipping your double sugar chocolate vanilla toffee coffee bashing everyone that is beneath you.

Actually, i think it might be possible to relegate sports to some reasonable middle ground, where it is the object of neither disdain nor adulation, but simply a fun, wholesome activity that we don't attach earth-shaking importance to.
But I suppose that's just crazy talk.

Which is what it is for the vast majority of fans. Sure, there are extremists, but there are extremists in everything. I get excited during games and i hate when my team loses, but thats as far as it goes. The expectation seems to be that penn state fans all should feel responsible and that is total bs in my opinion. Im an OU fan. Should i feel responsible for what barry switzer allowed some of his players to do?


Hmm. That sounds odd. I've never said anything like that, so i can't argue the point.
Sometimes, people who are associated with bad people suffer as a consequence.
The child of a criminal my lose their parent to the prison system, despite the fact that they had no part in that parents wrongdoing.
And the fans of a criminal sports program may lose their program for a while. It's too bad, but it is a pretty miniscule injustice in the context of what happened here. Beyond that, those fans need to develop a sense of proportion and perspective if they think that cancelling that program is some sort of injustice - that reflects a skewed moral view, and needs to be corrected.
The very fact that anybody looks upon sportsfans losing their entertainment as a significant matter in this context is worrisome in and of itself, if you ask me.
 
2012-07-22 01:18:06 PM  
born_yesterday:

What are you doing here?

l-userpic.livejournal.com

er, watching the Penn State apologists make asses of themselves ?
 
2012-07-22 01:20:01 PM  

veedeevadeevoodee: Play Of The Week FLASHBACK ... 2006 ... Joe Paterno poops his pants (video)


HAHAHA!

fronttowardsgamer.com
 
2012-07-22 01:21:11 PM  

gimmegimme:
Why are you using the past tense with respect to "justice"? The Penn State administration is still going to be tried and will likely go to jail. The college and the Paterno estate have not yet faced their civil suits. Penn State fans are going to hear an awful lot of abuse for years to come.

The past tense is when the justice happened with respect to anything involving Paterno.


zomega: Who's up on the block next? I am totally lost.


The people that removed the statue, replaced by people that will replace & guard the statue from defacement & removal.

gimmegimme: I just love derp."


Except that you want to connect something for which cannot be connected outside of your witch hunt.


JTOF: Welcome to my ignore list. Vomit all you want over the thread, but it's not landing on me.
 
2012-07-22 01:22:38 PM  

sethstorm: The past tense is when the justice happened with respect to anything involving Paterno.


You mean like violating a pretty major NCAA rule in regards to athlete discipline and the athletic department's going along with it?
 
2012-07-22 01:23:26 PM  

sethstorm: The people that removed the statue, replaced by people that will replace & guard the statue from defacement & removal.


JoePa doesn't deserve that statue any more. Anything he might have once stood for is gone, permanently.
 
2012-07-22 01:24:00 PM  

fonebone77: The expectation seems to be that penn state fans all should feel responsible


That isn't remotely true.

The expectation is that Penn State fans should understand their heroes did terrible things and should no longer be idolized.
 
2012-07-22 01:24:04 PM  

sethstorm: gimmegimme:
Why are you using the past tense with respect to "justice"? The Penn State administration is still going to be tried and will likely go to jail. The college and the Paterno estate have not yet faced their civil suits. Penn State fans are going to hear an awful lot of abuse for years to come.

The past tense is when the justice happened with respect to anything involving Paterno.


zomega: Who's up on the block next? I am totally lost.

The people that removed the statue, replaced by people that will replace & guard the statue from defacement & removal.

gimmegimme: I just love derp."

Except that you want to connect something for which cannot be connected outside of your witch hunt.


JTOF: Welcome to my ignore list. Vomit all you want over the thread, but it's not landing on me.


Fine. Treat me the same way Penn State treats child rape. I can take it.
 
2012-07-22 01:25:40 PM  

sethstorm: extrajudicial statue removal



Ummm, yeah, because it's THE LAW that Joe Paterno must have a statue.

lol
 
2012-07-22 01:27:24 PM  

jaytkay: fonebone77: The expectation seems to be that penn state fans all should feel responsible

That isn't remotely true.

The expectation is that Penn State fans should understand their heroes did terrible things and should no longer be idolized.


And that maybe grownups should look for their heroes somewhere besides the playing field.
 
2012-07-22 01:27:33 PM  

sethstorm: Welcome to my ignore list. Vomit all you want over the thread, but it's not landing on me.


i356.photobucket.com
 
2012-07-22 01:27:34 PM  

The_Homeless_Guy: I'm pretty sure that if this happened at my alma mater a few of the more resourceful chemistry students would have have melted it down with thermite several weeks ago.


....who would have to pay for a replacement statue and have a jailtime causing criminal recorrd.
 
2012-07-22 01:28:15 PM  

Mean Daddy: This doesn't strike anyone of being Leninesque and I don't mean John Lennon. Remove people from pictures, official records etc.


A) That was really more of a Stalin thing B) This is in no way similar; no one is pretending JoePa never existed. This is about making his legacy match his deeds. C) You people are farking deranged.
 
2012-07-22 01:28:38 PM  
LOL, from the Scout thread

After 34 years as a ticket holder and Honary Coach, I just ripped up my tickets and will never donate again. Can't believe we succumb to the pressure of the naysayers and not the the true fans who respect the school and support it. The BOT IS STILL SELLING US DOWN THE RIVER.
 
2012-07-22 01:28:59 PM  

sethstorm: The_Homeless_Guy: I'm pretty sure that if this happened at my alma mater a few of the more resourceful chemistry students would have have melted it down with thermite several weeks ago.

....who would have to pay for a replacement statue and have a jailtime causing criminal recorrd.


Why would Penn State rebuild a statue to honor a vile piece of shiat who facilitated child rape?
 
2012-07-22 01:29:11 PM  

gimmegimme: Fine. Treat me the same way Penn State treats child rape. I can take it.


He meant me, but oh snap. I should've used that line.
 
2012-07-22 01:30:17 PM  

december: After 34 years as a ticket holder and Honary Coach, I just ripped up my tickets and will never donate again. Can't believe we succumb to the pressure of the naysayers and not the the true fans who respect the school and support it.


Well look at that, things really are starting to clean up over there.
 
2012-07-22 01:31:06 PM  

december: After 34 years as a ticket holder and Honary Coach, I just ripped up my tickets and will never donate again. Can't believe we succumb to the pressure of the naysayers and not the the true fans who respect the school and support it. The BOT IS STILL SELLING US DOWN THE RIVER.


Someone tell him it was Paterno and a few others who sold them down the river because they preferred avoiding some controversy, that would've passed fairly quickly, instead of doing the right thing.
 
2012-07-22 01:31:22 PM  

malaktaus: Mean Daddy: This doesn't strike anyone of being Leninesque and I don't mean John Lennon. Remove people from pictures, official records etc.

A) That was really more of a Stalin thing B) This is in no way similar; no one is pretending JoePa never existed. This is about making his legacy match his deeds. C) You people are farking deranged.


+ many statues of, for example, LENIN, were removed. And not because Russians were pretending he never existed (although I sure they wish they could)
 
2012-07-22 01:32:20 PM  
My First Sergeant used to say, "you could get a thousand "at-a-boy's", but one "aww f*ck" makes them all go away." Sorry JoePa, but that is one big "aww f*ck"
 
2012-07-22 01:32:23 PM  
2012 Penn State Nittany Lions Football Schedule

September 1 Ohio U Home - Noon
September 8 Virginia Away - Noon
September 15 Navy Home - 3:30 PM
September 22 Temple Home
September 29 Illinois Away
October 6 Northwestern Home - Noon
October 13 Open
October 20 Iowa Away - 8PM
October 27 Ohio State Home - 6PM
November 3 Purdue Away
November 10 Nebraska Away
November 17 Indiana Home
November 24 Wisconsin Home
 
2012-07-22 01:32:36 PM  
Good! Now kill their football program.
 
2012-07-22 01:32:37 PM  

Satanic_Hamster: God I hate sports fans Republicans. Scum will defend anything if it's "their team."

 
2012-07-22 01:32:46 PM  

jaytkay: sethstorm: extrajudicial statue removal


Ummm, yeah, because it's THE LAW that Joe Paterno must have a statue.



No, the removal was based on some rabid people who would do better to be denied the removal.

Justice is what happened in court and what knocked Paterno out of office.
 
2012-07-22 01:34:22 PM  

sethstorm: No, the removal was based on some rabid people who would do better to be denied the removal.


Paterno doesn't deserve a statue. Is that really that hard to understand?

consider this: 2012 Penn State Nittany Lions Football Schedule


As of today, who knows what it'll be tomorrow.
 
2012-07-22 01:34:58 PM  

consider this: 2012 Penn State Nittany Lions Football Results

September 1 Ohio U FORFEIT
September 8 Virginia FORFEIT
September 15 Navy FORFEIT
September 22 Temple FORFEIT
September 29 Illinois FORFEIT
October 6 Northwestern FORFEIT
October 13 Open
October 20 Iowa FORFEIT
October 27 Ohio State FORFEIT
November 3 Purdue FORFEIT
November 10 Nebraska FORFEIT
November 17 Indiana FORFEIT
November 24 Wisconsin FORFEIT

 
2012-07-22 01:35:09 PM  

sethstorm: jaytkay: sethstorm: extrajudicial statue removal


Ummm, yeah, because it's THE LAW that Joe Paterno must have a statue.



No, the removal was based on some rabid people who would do better to be denied the removal.

Justice is what happened in court and what knocked Paterno out of office.


I'm just curious, what do you feel is the appropriate punishment for the Penn State football team here?
 
2012-07-22 01:35:40 PM  

consider this: 2012 Penn State Nittany Lions Football Schedule

September 1 Open
September 8 Open
September 15 Open
September 22 Open
September 29 Open
October 6 Open
October 13 Open
October 20 Open
October 27 Open
November 3 Open
November 10 Open
November 17 Open
November 24 Open


FTFY....hopefully
 
2012-07-22 01:35:44 PM  

jayphat: I'm just curious, what do you feel is the appropriate punishment for the Penn State football team here?


Go pour a very strong drink while you wait for the answer.
 
2012-07-22 01:35:51 PM  

Jim_Tressel's_O-Face: sethstorm: Mr. Coffee Nerves: Taking it down is the right thing to do, and taking it down at a time inconvenient to student rioting is the right thing to do.

Some media outlets here in PA are screaming about the timing being "another cover-up" -- only because they don't have cameras on-site.

The media is right - a Meigs Field type incident happened.

A place in Hell has been reserved for those involved with removing the statue and covering its removal up.

Hopefully a sane and less fever-pitched administration puts the statue back and apologizes for its removal.

I was wondering when you were going to show up. Cheers, mate!



(Ignore the elephant, this is a non-partisan issue but I'm too damn lazy to photoshop it out.)


Can you shop a Penn State logo over the elephant?
 
2012-07-22 01:37:15 PM  

sethstorm: jaytkay: sethstorm: extrajudicial statue removal


Ummm, yeah, because it's THE LAW that Joe Paterno must have a statue.



No, the removal was based on some rabid people who would do better to be denied the removal.

Justice is what happened in court and what knocked Paterno out of office.


Dude, you're acting like Moses just destroyed your golden calf.
 
2012-07-22 01:40:27 PM  

gimmegimme: sethstorm: The_Homeless_Guy: I'm pretty sure that if this happened at my alma mater a few of the more resourceful chemistry students would have have melted it down with thermite several weeks ago.

....who would have to pay for a replacement statue and have a jailtime causing criminal recorrd.

Why would Penn State rebuild a statue to honor a vile piece of shiat?


Because it is a statue of Paterno, not the statue of the trustees that removed it.
 
2012-07-22 01:40:43 PM  

WhyteRaven74: As of today, who knows what it'll be tomorrow.


It's already leaked that they won't be getting the "death penalty". Penn State football will open on September 1st, as it should.
 
2012-07-22 01:41:38 PM  

consider this: One of the Sandusky jurors said that removing the statue was the wrong thing to do.


The only actual thing I have to say on the score is at least it was the university that did it...and they probably did it the only way they could've done it without a riot happening.
 
2012-07-22 01:42:19 PM  

consider this: It's already leaked that they won't be getting the "death penalty".


Doesn't mean they'll get to keep their schedule as it exists. And the report is the punishment is unprecedented, something the likes of which has never been dealt before.

Penn State football will open on September 1st, as it should.

No it shouldn't.
 
2012-07-22 01:42:50 PM  

sethstorm: gimmegimme: sethstorm: The_Homeless_Guy: I'm pretty sure that if this happened at my alma mater a few of the more resourceful chemistry students would have have melted it down with thermite several weeks ago.

....who would have to pay for a replacement statue and have a jailtime causing criminal recorrd.

Why would Penn State rebuild a statue to honor a vile piece of shiat?

Because it is a statue of Paterno, not the statue of the trustees that removed it.


I am open-minded. What proof do you have that the Freeh report is incorrect and that Paterno did not actively facilitate child rape for over a decade?
 
2012-07-22 01:44:36 PM  

sethstorm: gimmegimme: sethstorm: The_Homeless_Guy: I'm pretty sure that if this happened at my alma mater a few of the more resourceful chemistry students would have have melted it down with thermite several weeks ago.

....who would have to pay for a replacement statue and have a jailtime causing criminal recorrd.

Why would Penn State rebuild a statue to honor a vile piece of shiat?

Because it is a statue of Paterno, not the statue of the trustees that removed it.


You do know Paterno covered up child rape right? You've had to have seen the emails saying "don't call the cops"

And I'd like to know what you feel the appropriate punishment for the foot program is here.
 
2012-07-22 01:45:01 PM  

born_yesterday: jayphat: sethstorm: gimmegimme: Why aren't you an anti-Paterno activist? Do you support his actions in facilitating child rape and making sure the child rapist got a cash bonus and continued use of the rape facilities?

I believe in this thing called justice, which was already served. You believe in an insatiable and rabid rage. Justice was served well before Penn State's president went all Meigs Field on the statue.

This covert & extrajudicial statue removal should cause some heads to roll until the statue is restored. If you want anything done, swap out the integrity with a large plaque of his more that good football record.

All this anti-Paterno stuff sounds like people are using every excuse under the sun to get back at PSU for some unrelated and insignificant grievance of their own.

Let me ask you; what if Parerno has a losing record? Would you defend him as much? His record of helping thousands of football players become men has forever become tainted and washed away by the unforgivable blind eye he turned to those in need for the sake of "protecting the program"

I would hardly describe Paterno as a "great" coach. He had the same job for thirty years, that doesn't make him great. Hell, for the past couple of years it was pretty clear he couldn't really understand what was going on down on the field. They might as well have had dead uncle Bernie up in the booth if they wanted a figurehead.


Yep. And when sportswriters would ask him about retiring/stepping down, he would get pretty testy with them.

Paterno was full of himself. Its easy to see how this all happened, and why it went on as long as it did.
 
2012-07-22 01:45:09 PM  

WhyteRaven74: Doesn't mean they'll get to keep their schedule as it exists.


Wait, what? If the program isn't being suspended, they'll play their 2012 schedule as it stands.
 
2012-07-22 01:45:39 PM  

Chafed Willi: It's just another crime being committed

Stopped reading there. I hope there's a follow-up thread telling me when all the idiots have gone home and the grown-ups have started talking.


That will only happen when the statue is restored and the people responsible for the removal fired.
 
2012-07-22 01:45:39 PM  

Nebulious: [24.media.tumblr.com image 270x385]

It's my estimation that every man ever got a statue made of him was one kind of sommbiatch or another.
Ain't about you, Jayne. It's about what they need.


...don't make no sense.
 
2012-07-22 01:46:05 PM  

sethstorm: gimmegimme: sethstorm: The_Homeless_Guy: I'm pretty sure that if this happened at my alma mater a few of the more resourceful chemistry students would have have melted it down with thermite several weeks ago.

....who would have to pay for a replacement statue and have a jailtime causing criminal recorrd.

Why would Penn State rebuild a statue to honor a vile piece of shiat?

Because it is a statue of Paterno, not the statue of the trustees that removed it.


Exactly. Why would they pay for a replacement statue of this piece of shiat?
 
2012-07-22 01:47:55 PM  

consider this: they'll play their 2012 schedule as it stands.


Not necessarily. Could be barred from playing home games or away games.
 
2012-07-22 01:49:08 PM  

consider this: WhyteRaven74: As of today, who knows what it'll be tomorrow.

It's already leaked that they won't be getting the "death penalty". Penn State football will open on September 1st, as it should.


Although another rumor says there will be no scholarships for 2013. Which might be worse than the death penalty.

/practical problem: practice starts in a week, school in a month. No time for players to transfer.
//of course they could just "red shirt" this year and focus on education - not the worst of all worlds
///BTW: Why not the (real) death penalty of Sandusky? Is that something we can agree on?
 
2012-07-22 01:50:06 PM  

consider this: Penn State football will open on September 1st, as it should.


With no scholarships.
 
2012-07-22 01:50:41 PM  
Funny how people are placing all the blame at the feet of Paterno solely because he's the most prominent figure related to the scandal. How many of you even know about the janitor that witnessed a boy being raped in the shower in 2000, told two other janitors about it, and then deceived not to say anything about it? How many of you know that Penn State conducted an investigation in 1998 and turned it over to the local police and child welfare, who then declined to press charges?
 
2012-07-22 01:51:16 PM  
decided
 
2012-07-22 01:51:59 PM  

jso2897: fonebone77: Joe reputation deserves to be destroyed. Everyone involved that covered it up should go to prison.

Having said that. You jackasses who are using this as a soap box to preach your disdain for sports and its fans are just as twisted as the PSU fans sticking up for these people. We get it. You hate anything but sitting around your local (non starbucks cause thats too mainstream) coffeehouse sipping your double sugar chocolate vanilla toffee coffee bashing everyone that is beneath you.

Actually, i think it might be possible to relegate sports to some reasonable middle ground, where it is the object of neither disdain nor adulation, but simply a fun, wholesome activity that we don't attach earth-shaking importance to.
But I suppose that's just crazy talk.


Not if the sport is wife-carrying.

Link
 
2012-07-22 01:52:46 PM  

WhyteRaven74: Not necessarily. Could be barred from playing home games or away games.


Not a chance of that happening.
 
2012-07-22 01:53:31 PM  

UNC_Samurai: I feel a little less sympathetic for them considering what happened to the first victim.


You do know that Lock Haven is about 45 minutes from State College is this the correct thing?
 
2012-07-22 01:53:35 PM  

consider this: How many of you even know about the janitor that witnessed a boy being raped in the shower in 2000, told two other janitors about it, and then deceived not to say anything about it?


The same guy who decided to say nothing about it because he didn't want to go up against Paterno? pfffthahahha

Don't you have anything better to do today? Where's skookum when we really need him?
 
2012-07-22 01:54:22 PM  

consider this: Funny how people are placing all the blame at the feet of Paterno solely because he's the most prominent figure related to the scandal. How many of you even know about the janitor that witnessed a boy being raped in the shower in 2000, told two other janitors about it, and then deceived not to say anything about it? How many of you know that Penn State conducted an investigation in 1998 and turned it over to the local police and child welfare, who then declined to press charges?


So your point is that the entire institution lost control? A region-wide desire to protect football at all costs made this scandal happen?

Sounds like a great argument for the death penalty. Thanks!
 
2012-07-22 01:54:44 PM  

AliceBToklasLives: Although another rumor says there will be no scholarships for 2013. Which might be worse than the death penalty.


The article I read on ESPN says that the sanctions might be so severe that the death penalty might have been preferable. I just hope they work something into the ruling that allows current players to transfer without having to sit out a season.
 
2012-07-22 01:55:50 PM  

consider this: Not a chance of that happening.


Yeah there is.
 
2012-07-22 01:56:36 PM  
upload.wikimedia.org

Have a seat, Penn State football.

/Hopefully this WILL happen, if the NCAA has any balls.
//Probably won't though
 
2012-07-22 01:57:14 PM  

sethstorm: gimmegimme: sethstorm: The_Homeless_Guy: I'm pretty sure that if this happened at my alma mater a few of the more resourceful chemistry students would have have melted it down with thermite several weeks ago.

....who would have to pay for a replacement statue and have a jailtime causing criminal recorrd.

Why would Penn State rebuild a statue to honor a vile piece of shiat?

Because it is a statue of Paterno, not the statue of the trustees that removed it.


This is obviously an immensely important issue to you, sethstorm. Instead of furiously typing at us you need to get out there and DO something.

Get a bullhorn and go to Penn State and rally the people to THE TRUTH!!1!!

/ Preferably in a Pedobear costume
 
2012-07-22 01:58:38 PM  

Jim_Tressel's_O-Face: The same guy who decided to say nothing about it because he didn't want to go up against Paterno?


That's a bullshiat excuse and you know it. The guy witnessed a rape and did nothing about it, that's on him, nobody else. He could have called 911 or reported it to the local police and chose not to do a goddamn thing about it.
 
2012-07-22 01:59:56 PM  

consider this: That's a bullshiat excuse and you know it.


No it's not. And if you bothered to read the Freeh report you'd see why it's not.
 
2012-07-22 02:01:40 PM  

consider this: Jim_Tressel's_O-Face: The same guy who decided to say nothing about it because he didn't want to go up against Paterno?

That's a bullshiat excuse and you know it. The guy witnessed a rape and did nothing about it, that's on him, nobody else. He could have called 911 or reported it to the local police and chose not to do a goddamn thing about it.


Just like Joe Paterno. I guess he had an impact on more than just his players.
 
2012-07-22 02:02:04 PM  

consider this: Funny how people are placing all the blame at the feet of Paterno solely because he's the most prominent figure related to the scandal. How many of you even know about the janitor that witnessed a boy being raped in the shower in 2000, told two other janitors about it, and then deceived not to say anything about it? How many of you know that Penn State conducted an investigation in 1998 and turned it over to the local police and child welfare, who then declined to press charges?


Paterno was in charge, idiot. Watch his interviews on Youtube. ANYTIME ANYONE questions that man on a hard level, he get really shatty with them really fast. NO ONE could cross that guy, and everyone that worked on that campus knew not to screw with him or his football program, no matter what one of the coaches was doing in the showers.
 
2012-07-22 02:02:25 PM  

consider this: Jim_Tressel's_O-Face: The same guy who decided to say nothing about it because he didn't want to go up against Paterno?

That's a bullshiat excuse and you know it. The guy witnessed a rape and did nothing about it, that's on him, nobody else. He could have called 911 or reported it to the local police and chose not to do a goddamn thing about it.


I just wish Penn State football had that kind of culture, one in which child rape is reported to the cops immediately and often! Hopefully, the program will take a time out until they prove they can prevent child rape from occurring in their showers.
 
2012-07-22 02:02:36 PM  

MBK: They should have taken the statue down Saddam Hussein style:

All the victims of Sandusky pull the statue down, then they take off their shoes and smack the statue.


If you ever see the photo with the wide-angle lens, the Iraqis around the statue are stage by the American Army.

www.informationclearinghouse.info

Much like Penn State, the Iraqis were not clamoring to pull down the statue.
www.informationclearinghouse.info

More Iraq war propaganda.
 
2012-07-22 02:06:15 PM  
I don't understand how the students could even question it. If they haven't read the Freeh report, they should. JoePa KNEW of the allegations in 1998, tried to cover up the other ones, and did NOTHING to discover or protect the victims. He put the program and it's reputation ahead of doing the right thing.
 
2012-07-22 02:06:19 PM  

WhyteRaven74: consider this: Not a chance of that happening.

Yeah there is.


Guys. It's 9:00 tomorrow morning. Surely we can wait that long.
 
2012-07-22 02:07:25 PM  

jso2897: WhyteRaven74: consider this: Not a chance of that happening.

Yeah there is.

Guys. It's 9:00 tomorrow morning. Surely we can wait that long.


This is Fark. We wait for no one before jumping to conclusions
 
2012-07-22 02:08:50 PM  

WhyteRaven74: No it's not. And if you bothered to read the Freeh report you'd see why it's not.


Paterno's position of prominence doesn't have a goddamn thing to do with a janitor witnessing a sexual assault and not reporting it to the police.
 
2012-07-22 02:10:19 PM  

slayer199: I don't understand how the students could even question it. If they haven't read the Freeh report, they should. JoePa KNEW of the allegations in 1998, tried to cover up the other ones, and did NOTHING to discover or protect the victims. He put the program and it's reputation ahead of doing the right thing.


The statue will be put back in its rightful place and those who removed it will go to a Mexican prison.

fc01.deviantart.net
 
2012-07-22 02:11:22 PM  

LS1Bird: Paterno was in charge, idiot.


Paterno was the football coach, moron. He reported to an athletic director who then reported to the university president.
 
2012-07-22 02:11:32 PM  

consider this: Paterno's position of prominence doesn't have a goddamn thing to do with a janitor witnessing a sexual assault and not reporting it to the police.


Actually it had everything to do with it.
 
2012-07-22 02:12:02 PM  

consider this: AliceBToklasLives: Although another rumor says there will be no scholarships for 2013. Which might be worse than the death penalty.

The article I read on ESPN says that the sanctions might be so severe that the death penalty might have been preferable. I just hope they work something into the ruling that allows current players to transfer without having to sit out a season.


I'm sure they will for next season, but it seems impractical for players to transfer at this point. Might be beneficial for freshmen (redshirting while kids get used to college is not the worst thing in the world) but will be tough on upper classmen. Another group PSU leaders have screwed.
 
2012-07-22 02:12:06 PM  

consider this: WhyteRaven74: No it's not. And if you bothered to read the Freeh report you'd see why it's not.

Paterno's position of prominence doesn't have a goddamn thing to do with a janitor witnessing a sexual assault and not reporting it to the police.


What was the problem with Penn State football that scores of people knew serial child rape was being committed in their showers and no one tried to stop it? That sounds to me like an institution that needs a time out.
 
2012-07-22 02:12:26 PM  

consider this: He reported to an athletic director who then reported to the university president.


This would be the same athletic director who knew Paterno was violating NCAA rules and did nothing about it. This was the same athletic director who made sure Paterno got his wish to sweep any issues with Sandusky under the rug.
 
2012-07-22 02:13:04 PM  

consider this: LS1Bird: Paterno was in charge, idiot.

Paterno was the football coach, moron. He reported to an athletic director who then reported to the university president.


You REALLY should read the Freeh report to see just how little that mattered.
 
2012-07-22 02:13:04 PM  

LS1Bird: consider this: Funny how people are placing all the blame at the feet of Paterno solely because he's the most prominent figure related to the scandal. How many of you even know about the janitor that witnessed a boy being raped in the shower in 2000, told two other janitors about it, and then deceived not to say anything about it? How many of you know that Penn State conducted an investigation in 1998 and turned it over to the local police and child welfare, who then declined to press charges?

Paterno was in charge, idiot. Watch his interviews on Youtube. ANYTIME ANYONE questions that man on a hard level, he get really shatty with them really fast. NO ONE could cross that guy, and everyone that worked on that campus knew not to screw with him or his football program, no matter what one of the coaches was doing in the showers.


I think you've got this dead on. Everything I've read indicates that this man was a god on campus. He was the silverback gorilla in charge of his troop, beating down anyone who dares challenge him for the job--and I'm using that comparison on purpose. This feels like base human instinct at work. The big man, the top dog, the chairman, the leader.

What was so amazing about Paterno that he was worshiped like this? Why did he get a statue and his name on the library? The man was a football coach. He wasn't a great teacher who trained scientists or politicians who went on to change the world in some way (for good or ill).
 
2012-07-22 02:14:19 PM  

JonBuck: LS1Bird: consider this: Funny how people are placing all the blame at the feet of Paterno solely because he's the most prominent figure related to the scandal. How many of you even know about the janitor that witnessed a boy being raped in the shower in 2000, told two other janitors about it, and then deceived not to say anything about it? How many of you know that Penn State conducted an investigation in 1998 and turned it over to the local police and child welfare, who then declined to press charges?

Paterno was in charge, idiot. Watch his interviews on Youtube. ANYTIME ANYONE questions that man on a hard level, he get really shatty with them really fast. NO ONE could cross that guy, and everyone that worked on that campus knew not to screw with him or his football program, no matter what one of the coaches was doing in the showers.

I think you've got this dead on. Everything I've read indicates that this man was a god on campus. He was the silverback gorilla in charge of his troop, beating down anyone who dares challenge him for the job--and I'm using that comparison on purpose. This feels like base human instinct at work. The big man, the top dog, the chairman, the leader.

What was so amazing about Paterno that he was worshiped like this? Why did he get a statue and his name on the library? The man was a football coach. He wasn't a great teacher who trained scientists or politicians who went on to change the world in some way (for good or ill).


Not to defend a subhuman piece of shiat, but didn't Paterno donate a ton of money to the library to get his name on it?
 
2012-07-22 02:14:51 PM  

WhyteRaven74: Actually it had everything to do with it.


Yes, Joe Pa was so intent on covering up the raping of young boys that he would have had one of his minions disappear those janitors if they came forward. I'm pretty sure that all 911 calls originating from the university were routed through Paterno's office before being sent to the police.
 
2012-07-22 02:16:00 PM  

zomega: But SMUs violations, while egregious and systemic, were of the "paying players to play" variety.


And included a former Texas Governor to boot! It was a very symbolic message to politicians.
 
2012-07-22 02:17:21 PM  

JonBuck: What was so amazing about Paterno that he was worshiped like this? Why did he get a statue and his name on the library? The man was a football coach. He wasn't a great teacher who trained scientists or politicians who went on to change the world in some way (for good or ill).


Why don't you look at all those national championship trophies, then ask why he was so powerful?!

Yeah, I don't get it either. He was a bitter, twisted buffoon of a man.

/"Come to Penn Schtate!"
 
2012-07-22 02:17:43 PM  

consider this: WhyteRaven74: Actually it had everything to do with it.

Yes, Joe Pa was so intent on covering up the raping of young boys that he would have had one of his minions disappear those janitors if they came forward. I'm pretty sure that all 911 calls originating from the university were routed through Paterno's office before being sent to the police.


Disappeared like Gricar? You don't seem to get it.
 
2012-07-22 02:18:08 PM  

WhyteRaven74: This would be the same athletic director who knew Paterno was violating NCAA rules and did nothing about it. This was the same athletic director who made sure Paterno got his wish to sweep any issues with Sandusky under the rug.


I guess you missed the part where Penn State conducted an investigation in 1998 and turned it over to the police and child welfare.
 
2012-07-22 02:18:46 PM  

gimmegimme: Not to defend a subhuman piece of shiat, but didn't Paterno donate a ton of money to the library to get his name on it?


Yes, and if Penn St. had any integrity, they would refund the Paterno Estate and remove his name.
 
2012-07-22 02:18:57 PM  

consider this: WhyteRaven74: Actually it had everything to do with it.

Yes, Joe Pa was so intent on covering up the raping of young boys that he would have had one of his minions disappear those janitors if they came forward. I'm pretty sure that all 911 calls originating from the university were routed through Paterno's office before being sent to the police.


Well, JoePa did make sure that his football players were subjected to a different kind of justice than the rest of the student body. Maybe you're onto something with that.
 
2012-07-22 02:19:52 PM  

gimmegimme: consider this: 2012 Penn State Nittany Lions Football Results

September 1 Ohio U FORFEIT
September 8 Virginia FORFEIT
September 15 Navy FORFEIT
September 22 Temple FORFEIT
September 29 Illinois FORFEIT
October 6 Northwestern FORFEIT
October 13 Open
October 20 Iowa FORFEIT
October 27 Ohio State FORFEIT
November 3 Purdue FORFEIT
November 10 Nebraska FORFEIT
November 17 Indiana FORFEIT
November 24 Wisconsin FORFEIT


You know, with that win, if Ohio takes down New Mexico State, they could run the table. Too bad the playoff is not until next year because as Vince would say, there's no chance in hell, they'd be in the BCS game.
 
2012-07-22 02:21:40 PM  

consider this: WhyteRaven74: Actually it had everything to do with it.

Yes, Joe Pa was so intent on covering up the raping of young boys that he would have had one of his minions disappear those janitors if they came forward. I'm pretty sure that all 911 calls originating from the university were routed through Paterno's office before being sent to the police.


What does one have to do with the other?

You are trying to argue that what JoePa did was any less heinous because someone else did something heinous. In what circular logical world are you living in. The man covered up child rape, for 14 years. The same JoePa that espoused integrity and honesty despite having his own more lenient punishment system in place for his football team. Are you really that dense?
 
2012-07-22 02:22:20 PM  
http://mbd.scout.com/mb.aspx?s=157&f=1395&t=9164578

"I believe its time for an alumni legal fund to refute and debunk this ridiculous narrative that the press, the Freeh Report, and the BOT has brought upon the PSU family, State College and the Paternos."

LOL.. farking psychos
 
2012-07-22 02:22:45 PM  

TheManofPA: gimmegimme: consider this: 2012 Penn State Nittany Lions Football Results

September 1 Ohio U FORFEIT
September 8 Virginia FORFEIT
September 15 Navy FORFEIT
September 22 Temple FORFEIT
September 29 Illinois FORFEIT
October 6 Northwestern FORFEIT
October 13 Open
October 20 Iowa FORFEIT
October 27 Ohio State FORFEIT
November 3 Purdue FORFEIT
November 10 Nebraska FORFEIT
November 17 Indiana FORFEIT
November 24 Wisconsin FORFEIT

You know, with that win, if Ohio takes down New Mexico State, they could run the table. Too bad the playoff is not until next year because as Vince would say, there's no chance in hell, they'd be in the BCS game.


Well, Ohio State isn't going to a bowl at all next year because of tattoos and autograph fees and a coverup. Penn State better get penalties that are far worse.
 
2012-07-22 02:22:48 PM  
BTW, you guys do realize consider this is a troll account right. I mean go look at his posts in other threads:
Link
 
2012-07-22 02:23:37 PM  

TheManofPA: BTW, you guys do realize consider this is a troll account right. I mean go look at his posts in other threads:
Link


I know; he started his account on July 1. I like fighting with people online.
 
2012-07-22 02:24:04 PM  

Pontious Pilates: Or, if he had simply acted appropriately back in '98, or whenever he first heard of Sandusky's... predelicitons, I think it would have been another feather in his cap, an example of Doing Things The Right Way.


Isn't this the man who successfully demanded that his football team should be exempt from all student disciplinary processes?
 
2012-07-22 02:24:14 PM  

Akuinnen: http://mbd.scout.com/mb.aspx?s=157&f=1395&t=9164578

"I believe its time for an alumni legal fund to refute and debunk this ridiculous narrative that the press, the Freeh Report, and the BOT has brought upon the PSU family, State College and the Paternos."

LOL.. farking psychos


I love it. I want the true faces of these psychopaths to be shown everywhere, all the time.

If this story wasn't receiving national attention, they'd be busy harassing the victims.
 
2012-07-22 02:24:16 PM  

dlp211: You are trying to argue that what JoePa did was any less heinous because someone else did something heinous.


The point I was making is that it's ridiculous to be tossing all the blame for this at Paterno when there were plenty of other people who were aware of what was going on, some of those having actually witnessed a rape.
 
2012-07-22 02:25:31 PM  

born_yesterday: Akuinnen: http://mbd.scout.com/mb.aspx?s=157&f=1395&t=9164578

"I believe its time for an alumni legal fund to refute and debunk this ridiculous narrative that the press, the Freeh Report, and the BOT has brought upon the PSU family, State College and the Paternos."

LOL.. farking psychos

I love it. I want the true faces of these psychopaths to be shown everywhere, all the time.

If this story wasn't receiving national attention, they'd be busy harassing the victims.


Too late.
 
2012-07-22 02:25:34 PM  
Here's a link to the Freeh Report. It's a long document, but read the Executive Summary to get the salient points.
 
2012-07-22 02:26:38 PM  

consider this: dlp211: You are trying to argue that what JoePa did was any less heinous because someone else did something heinous.

The point I was making is that it's ridiculous to be tossing all the blame for this at Paterno when there were plenty of other people who were aware of what was going on, some of those having actually witnessed a rape.


I am pretty sure that there are BOT members being tried as we speak. I am pretty sure the Sandusky has been found guilty. I am pretty sure that people were fired over this. Just because JoePa is the one getting all the attention today does not mean that others were not punished.

Also, when you are on top, you have the furthest to fall.
 
2012-07-22 02:27:55 PM  
From Charles Robinson:

Two sources with knowledge of the Penn State penalties said NCAA president Mark Emmert will announce Monday that he is personally sanctioning Penn State after receiving approval from the association's Division I Board of directors, which is comprised of 22 college presidents and chancellors. One source told Yahoo! Sports Emmert's sanctions will include a "multiple-year" bowl ban and "crippling" scholarship losses.

Link
 
2012-07-22 02:29:28 PM  

consider this: dlp211: You are trying to argue that what JoePa did was any less heinous because someone else did something heinous.

The point I was making is that it's ridiculous to be tossing all the blame for this at Paterno when there were plenty of other people who were aware of what was going on, some of those having actually witnessed a rape.


To be fair, nobody is idolizing those other people.
 
2012-07-22 02:32:09 PM  

Owangotang: Meanwhile not a single thing will have been done to address the real problem, the fact that BIG TIME COLLEGE FOOTBALL cultures move people to act in its' defense even when it means allowing child rape.


Yeah, really. The only time that's ok is when you make some good movies. College football? Nope.
 
2012-07-22 02:34:16 PM  

jayphat: To be fair, nobody is idolizing those other people.


They're also not receiving any of the scorn. Can you tell me the name of the university president, athletic director or janitor without searching the internet? Everybody knows Joe Paterno so it's easy to fling all the shiat at him.
 
2012-07-22 02:34:27 PM  

gimmegimme: TheManofPA: BTW, you guys do realize consider this is a troll account right. I mean go look at his posts in other threads:
Link

I know; he started his account on July 1. I like fighting with people online.


Hmm. Has anyone seen Christmas troll lately?
 
2012-07-22 02:34:44 PM  
fark yeah! Good on the PSU President to take it down! Rot in hell, Paterno.
 
TSD [TotalFark]
2012-07-22 02:36:12 PM  

consider this: Funny how people are placing all the blame at the feet of Paterno solely because he's the most prominent figure related to the scandal. How many of you even know about the janitor that witnessed a boy being raped in the shower in 2000, told two other janitors about it, and then deceived not to say anything about it? How many of you know that Penn State conducted an investigation in 1998 and turned it over to the local police and child welfare, who then declined to press charges?


That University OWNS the law in Centre County. You must be from another state.
 
2012-07-22 02:38:16 PM  

MisterLoki: From Charles Robinson:

Two sources with knowledge of the Penn State penalties said NCAA president Mark Emmert will announce Monday that he is personally sanctioning Penn State after receiving approval from the association's Division I Board of directors, which is comprised of 22 college presidents and chancellors. One source told Yahoo! Sports Emmert's sanctions will include a "multiple-year" bowl ban and "crippling" scholarship losses.

Link


Ohio State football | Free tattoos, Pryor's autograph fees, Tressel covering it up | Players in question suspended for five games, one player suspended for additional games, all 2010 wins vacated

Michigan basketball | Receiving tons of money from a booster | Forfeit of all games in which the four players in question appeared, players in question banned from associating with school.

USC | Reggie Bush and OJ Mayo received tons of money | Football team forced to vacate the final two wins of its 2004 national championship season, as well as all of its wins in 2005

Penn State football | At least a decade and a half of facilitating child rape, paying a serial child rape a cash bonus, failing to prevent the child rapist from continuing to rape children on campus, treating student athletes to a different judicial procedure than other students, a massive cover-up of the child rape that went right to the top, failure to control the institution | ?
 
2012-07-22 02:38:39 PM  

TSD: That University OWNS the law in Centre County.


That's bullshiat and you know it.
 
2012-07-22 02:39:14 PM  

MisterLoki: From Charles Robinson:

Two sources with knowledge of the Penn State penalties said NCAA president Mark Emmert will announce Monday that he is personally sanctioning Penn State after receiving approval from the association's Division I Board of directors, which is comprised of 22 college presidents and chancellors. One source told Yahoo! Sports Emmert's sanctions will include a "multiple-year" bowl ban and "crippling" scholarship losses.

Link


If they play football at PSU this season something is clearly very wrong. Scholarship losses, bowl-bans, it does not matter. They'll still play, the fans will still be zealots, and nothing will happen to punish the culture that created this coverup.
 
2012-07-22 02:45:24 PM  

Owangotang: the fans will still be zealots


Why do so many of you have a problem with college football fans being so passionate? I swear, some of you are more interested in seeing the fans being punished than the people responsible for allowing the abuse to take place.
 
2012-07-22 02:47:26 PM  

consider this: jayphat: To be fair, nobody is idolizing those other people.

They're also not receiving any of the scorn. Can you tell me the name of the university president, athletic director or janitor without searching the internet? Everybody knows Joe Paterno so it's easy to fling all the shiat at him.


Spanier, Schultz and Curly. To be fair I did read the Freeh report executive summary and some of the more interesting details. Though I don't know the janitors name, but again, when you are on top, you have the furthest to fall.
 
2012-07-22 02:49:27 PM  

consider this: Owangotang: the fans will still be zealots

Why do so many of you have a problem with college football fans being so passionate? I swear, some of you are more interested in seeing the fans being punished than the people responsible for allowing the abuse to take place.


What I think you fail to understand is that the rest of the country does not give a crap about the fans at all. They have nothing to do with the fact the school actively covered up the rapes to protect their money making machine. The machine needs to be biatch slapped beyond recognition for that.
 
2012-07-22 02:50:02 PM  

consider this: Owangotang: the fans will still be zealots

Why do so many of you have a problem with college football fans being so passionate? I swear, some of you are more interested in seeing the fans being punished than the people responsible for allowing the abuse to take place.


There is nothing wrong with being passionate, there is something wrong when you can't even look in the mirror and say, yea, my/our team dun goofed, we need/deserve to be punished.
 
2012-07-22 02:50:26 PM  

Steve McQueen's Motorcycle: consider this: Owangotang: the fans will still be zealots

Why do so many of you have a problem with college football fans being so passionate? I swear, some of you are more interested in seeing the fans being punished than the people responsible for allowing the abuse to take place.

What I think you fail to understand is that the rest of the country does not give a crap about the fans at all. They have nothing to do with the fact the school actively covered up the rapes to protect their money making machine. The machine needs to be biatch slapped beyond recognition for that.


What?!?!?! Why won't you think of the children...who may or may not get drunk and set things on fire tomorrow.
 
2012-07-22 02:50:40 PM  

dlp211: Spanier, Schultz and Curly.


Nyuk, nyuk, nyuk!
 
2012-07-22 02:52:32 PM  

consider this: Why do so many of you have a problem with college football fans being so passionate?


You know... I suppose hounding a victim of child rape into witness protection DOES require a certain amount of passion.

Anyway, yeah. They're passionate.
 
2012-07-22 02:52:36 PM  

dlp211: There is nothing wrong with being passionate, there is something wrong when you can't even look in the mirror and say, yea, my/our team dun goofed, we need/deserve to be punished.


Defending Joe Pa doesn't mean they're of the opinion that the university isn't deserving of punishment.
 
2012-07-22 02:53:03 PM  
One of the most fascinating things about powerful people like Paterno is the lengths they go to in order to cultivate a public image that is at odds with their true personas.

It's the same thing with a lot of Hollywood types who make public (self aggrandizing) displays of charity. Once you get these people behind closed doors, their true personalities reveal themselves. Vicious. Self-serving. Greedy.

We really should do a better job, all around, of not putting people up on pedestals simply because they attain a degree of conspicuous success. From my experience, those very same people are often repugnant human beings at their cores; capable of objectifying others in their pursuit of power.

Yes, there are successful people who manage to also be decent people, but this tends to be the exception and not the rule from what I've seen.
 
2012-07-22 02:53:39 PM  

Steve McQueen's Motorcycle: consider this: Owangotang: the fans will still be zealots

Why do so many of you have a problem with college football fans being so passionate? I swear, some of you are more interested in seeing the fans being punished than the people responsible for allowing the abuse to take place.

What I think you fail to understand is that the rest of the country does not give a crap about the fans at all. They have nothing to do with the fact the school actively covered up the rapes to protect their money making machine. The machine needs to be biatch slapped beyond recognition for that.


This. I have no desire to see Penn State's fans "punished" - but it's pretty evident that some of them need to be educated in the relative importance of things.
 
2012-07-22 02:53:50 PM  

Vodka Zombie: You know... I suppose hounding a victim of child rape into witness protection DOES require a certain amount of passion.


Was that the doing of a few idiots or the entire Penn State fan base?
 
2012-07-22 02:53:57 PM  

gimmegimme: Steve McQueen's Motorcycle: consider this: Owangotang: the fans will still be zealots

Why do so many of you have a problem with college football fans being so passionate? I swear, some of you are more interested in seeing the fans being punished than the people responsible for allowing the abuse to take place.

What I think you fail to understand is that the rest of the country does not give a crap about the fans at all. They have nothing to do with the fact the school actively covered up the rapes to protect their money making machine. The machine needs to be biatch slapped beyond recognition for that.

What?!?!?! Why won't you think of the children...who may or may not get drunk and set things on fire tomorrow.


God, I hope they riot. God, I hope they riot. I hope they're willing to die for JoPa. The true face of PSU culture shown, for all the world to see.

DO IT FOR JOEPA!!! DO IT FOR JOEPAAAAA!

BTW, what beneficial effects does rioting have on the local businesses you're so worried about, asshats?
 
2012-07-22 02:54:45 PM  

dlp211: consider this: Owangotang: the fans will still be zealots

Why do so many of you have a problem with college football fans being so passionate? I swear, some of you are more interested in seeing the fans being punished than the people responsible for allowing the abuse to take place.

There is nothing wrong with being passionate, there is something wrong when you can't even look in the mirror and say, yea, my/our team dun goofed, we need/deserve to be punished.


As a fan of Ohio State, I have no issues with receiving the punishment for the tattoos and Tressell covering it up. A lot of fans need to step up and admit as much when their team screws the pooch.

/don't understand the Miami U punishment for partying on a donors yacht with alcohol, hookers, and blow
 
TSD [TotalFark]
2012-07-22 02:55:03 PM  

consider this: TSD: That University OWNS the law in Centre County.

That's bullshiat and you know it.


Right. Living here for 50 years means I don't know the area and their cash pig. fark PSU, fark JoePa and fark their fans. It will be nice with no PSU traffic farking up the drive. Consider THAT.
 
2012-07-22 02:55:11 PM  

consider this: dlp211: There is nothing wrong with being passionate, there is something wrong when you can't even look in the mirror and say, yea, my/our team dun goofed, we need/deserve to be punished.

Defending Joe Pa doesn't mean they're of the opinion that the university isn't deserving of punishment.


Yeah. You're a troll.

No one can be that willfully dense naturally.
 
2012-07-22 02:56:20 PM  

consider this: Owangotang: the fans will still be zealots

Why do so many of you have a problem with college football fans being so passionate? I swear, some of you are more interested in seeing the fans being punished than the people responsible for allowing the abuse to take place.


The fans are a part of the culture. The culture is what enabled all of this to happen. Passion is one thing, zealotry quite another. The culture is what needs to be dealt with and bowl-bans/scholarship losses won't do it. They'll circle the wagons, claim an us-against-the-world mentality (already happening among the football players), and then when the games begin we'll hear and see bullshiat about "the healing beginning".

It's all just so sick.
 
2012-07-22 02:58:07 PM  

Vodka Zombie: Yeah. You're a troll.

No one can be that willfully dense naturally.


Lessee... blind defense of JoePa, account registered July 1st, certain other notorious trolling account has had comments removed and has not been seen since late June...

Jinkies, gang, we found an alt!
 
2012-07-22 02:58:39 PM  
I love how people say "This doesn't do anything to fix things. It doesn't help the victims!"

For one thing, there is no "fixing" this. Those people are scarred for life. But one thing we CAN do is to make sure they never have to see the person who turned a blind eye to their suffering permanently on smiling display anymore.
 
2012-07-22 02:58:44 PM  
CURB ALERT!
 
2012-07-22 03:00:59 PM  

sethstorm: That will only happen when the statue is restored and the people responsible for the removal fired.


I don't know who this guy is, but he is farking weird. Who the hell could be on the other side of child rape?
 
2012-07-22 03:01:43 PM  

TSD: consider this: TSD: That University OWNS the law in Centre County.

That's bullshiat and you know it.

Right. Living here for 50 years means I don't know the area and their cash pig. fark PSU, fark JoePa and fark their fans. It will be nice with no PSU traffic farking up the drive. Consider THAT.


What I can't figure out is how people let their sense of identity and self-worth get so wrapped in something like a sports team. This isn't just Penn State; I've seen it in several of the cities I've lived in; people who genuinely become despondent on the basis of whether or not the local team succeeds.

It borders on a form of mental illness as far as I'm concerned. Same goes for the whackjobs in Europe who riot over football games.
 
2012-07-22 03:02:44 PM  

consider this: Owangotang: the fans will still be zealots

Why do so many of you have a problem with college football fans being so passionate? I swear, some of you are more interested in seeing the fans being punished than the people responsible for allowing the abuse to take place.


When JoePa and Sandusky were caught with the involvement in this, it's understandable for someone to deny what is going on with their icon. If Shaq was caught running a meth lab and taking part in the child slave trade, I'd deny for awhile that the big guy I loved as a kid would have done it.

But you know what? When the facts keep rolling in, you have to accept that a good man was behind a very horrible thing. You move on. And right now we have idiots thinking Sandusky's arrest and the investigation into JoePa is either a conspiracy done by a rival team, faked outcries by the victims or infact shouldn't be even looked at because at all the good things the two did.
 
2012-07-22 03:04:17 PM  
This thread has gone from discussing the sex abuse scandal to.....

i45.tinypic.com
 
2012-07-22 03:04:49 PM  

Vodka Zombie: consider this: dlp211: There is nothing wrong with being passionate, there is something wrong when you can't even look in the mirror and say, yea, my/our team dun goofed, we need/deserve to be punished.

Defending Joe Pa doesn't mean they're of the opinion that the university isn't deserving of punishment.

Yeah. You're a troll.

No one can be that willfully dense naturally.


Well, duh. Check his profile and posting history.
 
2012-07-22 03:07:12 PM  
You know, calling somebody a troll because they're new here or because they have a different opinion than you is really immature.
 
TSD [TotalFark]
2012-07-22 03:11:15 PM  

consider this: This thread has gone from discussing the sex abuse scandal to.....

[i45.tinypic.com image 360x269]


go away troll.....use your other alt next time
 
2012-07-22 03:11:24 PM  

consider this: You know, calling somebody a troll because they're new here or because they have a different opinion than you is really immature.


Add standard troll response to being called out as a troll. Your the same guy that thinks service dogs are gonna piss in the aisle of an airplane.
 
2012-07-22 03:13:07 PM  

consider this: You know, calling somebody a troll because they're new here or because they have a different opinion than you is really immature.


home.roadrunner.com
 
2012-07-22 03:13:23 PM  

Jim_Tressel's_O-Face: gimmegimme: TheManofPA: BTW, you guys do realize consider this is a troll account right. I mean go look at his posts in other threads:
Link

I know; he started his account on July 1. I like fighting with people online.

Hmm. Has anyone seen Christmas troll lately?


It's Christmas in July?

gimmegimme: TheManofPA: BTW, you guys do realize consider this is a troll account right. I mean go look at his posts in other threads:
Link

I know; he started his account on July 1. I like fighting with people online.


Ah, ok, carry on.
 
2012-07-22 03:13:38 PM  

consider this: You know, calling somebody a troll because they're new here or because they have a different opinion than you is really immature.


Because nothing says maturity like trolling FARK for six months, getting banned, and having to roll up a new account.
 
2012-07-22 03:14:37 PM  

gimmegimme: ///Why the fark were people around the statue at dawn on a Sunday?


What day of the week do you have worship services? I thought Sunday was the usual day for such things.
 
2012-07-22 03:14:55 PM  

dlp211: Add standard troll response to being called out as a troll. Your the same guy that thinks service dogs are gonna piss in the aisle of an airplane.


If it makes it easier for you to sleep at night by calling everybody you disagree with a troll, then I guess you have to do what works.

The bottom line is that I don't believe that suspending the football program is an appropriate punishment and that Jo Pa is taking too much of the blame. Sorry that you're unable to process the fact that not everybody agrees with your position on the topic.
 
2012-07-22 03:15:38 PM  

Mitch Taylor's Bro: Likewise, investigating Sandusky circa 1998 would've been terribly embarrassing for the program. I think those who are saying it would've further canonized Paterno as someone who prevented child molestation are looking at it in hindsight, ignoring how long a proper investigation would've taken, how many headlines would've been written about Penn State's program--all negative--during that time, and how large a black eye it would've been if the allegations couldn't have been proven. Even if it had gone to trial at the time, there's a chance Sandusky would've been acquitted. And then Paterno would've been a guy who threw his friend under the bus. So, looking at this through Paterno's filter of "do what's right for the program" makes it easier to see how an otherwise good person could harbor such a horrible, serial child predator. Sometimes we only see what we want to see, especially when it involves friends. This in no way exonerates Paterno's behavior, but I can see how such an ugly thing could've manifested itself.


The problem is, Joe Paterno always talked about doing things the right way, being upstanding and moral, doing what is right. That was his whole persona: the "good guy" coach who might be gruff and rough sometimes on the field, but always did the right thing.

What is right isn't always what is popular.

Sometimes the right thing morally might not be the best thing for the program. There are more important things in life than College Football, like protecting children from known molesters.

Failure to realize that is why Joe Paterno is not seen as the morally upstanding paragon of a sports coach he tried to be remember that as, it is why he will go down in history as a morally questionable coach who hid behind a facade of respectability for decades while letting crimes slide to preserve the reputation of the team and school.
 
2012-07-22 03:19:48 PM  

Mitch Taylor's Bro: Likewise, investigating Sandusky circa 1998 would've been terribly embarrassing for the program.


Sandusky was investigated by the university in 1998 and that investigation was turned over to local authorities. They declined to press charges.
 
2012-07-22 03:22:47 PM  

consider this: If it makes it easier for you to sleep at night by calling everybody you disagree with a troll, then I guess you have to do what works.

The bottom line is that I don't believe that suspending the football program is an appropriate punishment and that Jo Pa is taking too much of the blame. Sorry that you're unable to process the fact that not everybody agrees with your position on the topic.


No, I am pretty sure that most everybody agrees with me on this topic, the only people that don't are Penn St. fans and trolls.
 
2012-07-22 03:22:54 PM  
Had to be done. Impossible anymore to argue that Penn State wasn't about one man while that statue was up.

Glad they kept his name on the library though; I think it's still appropriate to recognize Paterno's academic contributions.
 
2012-07-22 03:25:02 PM  

GoldSpider: Had to be done. Impossible anymore to argue that Penn State wasn't about one man while that statue was up.

Glad they kept his name on the library though; I think it's still appropriate to recognize Paterno's academic contributions.


You mean like protecting football players from getting in trouble so they won't be put on academic probation?
 
2012-07-22 03:25:26 PM  

dlp211: No, I am pretty sure that most everybody agrees with me on this topic, the only people that don't are Penn St. fans and trolls.


You're going to sleep well tonight.
 
2012-07-22 03:29:07 PM  
You know, in all of the talk about Joe Paterno facilitating child rape for decades, we've forgotten that he's a piece of shiat for another reason.

He threw his considerable support behind Rene Portland, an anti-gay piece of shiat who coached the women's basketball team.

"Fawn Yacker, who directed Training Rules, a 2007 documentary about Portland's homophobic policies for her players, wrote in Outsports Friday that Penn State head football coach Joe Paterno also had a hand in covering up Portland's abuse of team members. Portland openly endorsed rules against having out players until Penn State University passed an antidiscrimination policy in 1992. She continued to enforce the antigay rule, but her actions went underground until a complaint from a former player went public.

"Portland was able to wreak havoc on the lives of so many of her players while Paterno and the university did absolutely nothing to stop her," she wrote. Yacker added that Paterno hired her during his time as PSU's athletic director and supported Portland's rules against teammates engaging in relationships with each other and being out lesbians. He also backed Portland after student protests in 1986 and 1991 in reaction to homophobic remarks she made in the press."


My goodness, the man was a revolting monster. Did he have any morality at all?
 
2012-07-22 03:29:48 PM  

gimmegimme: GoldSpider: Had to be done. Impossible anymore to argue that Penn State wasn't about one man while that statue was up.

Glad they kept his name on the library though; I think it's still appropriate to recognize Paterno's academic contributions.

You mean like protecting football players from getting in trouble so they won't be put on academic probation?


I guess there's a difference between contributions and celebrations. A statue celebrates the man. A library with his name on it as a result of paying for it, well... I don't know. It's kind of his.
 
2012-07-22 03:32:00 PM  

Vodka Zombie: gimmegimme: GoldSpider: Had to be done. Impossible anymore to argue that Penn State wasn't about one man while that statue was up.

Glad they kept his name on the library though; I think it's still appropriate to recognize Paterno's academic contributions.

You mean like protecting football players from getting in trouble so they won't be put on academic probation?

I guess there's a difference between contributions and celebrations. A statue celebrates the man. A library with his name on it as a result of paying for it, well... I don't know. It's kind of his.


Would he have had the money to pay for it had the child rape coverup come out in 1999, 2000, 2001, 2002, 2003, 2004, 2005, 2006, 2007, 2008, 2009 or 2010?
 
2012-07-22 03:33:54 PM  

gimmegimme: consider this: 2012 Penn State Nittany Lions Football Results

September 1 Ohio U FORFEIT
September 8 Virginia FORFEIT
September 15 Navy FORFEIT
September 22 Temple FORFEIT
September 29 Illinois FORFEIT
October 6 Northwestern FORFEIT
October 13 Open
October 20 Iowa FORFEIT
October 27 Ohio State FORFEIT
November 3 Purdue FORFEIT
November 10 Nebraska FORFEIT
November 17 Indiana FORFEIT
November 24 Wisconsin FORFEIT


Aw hell naw. Make them forfeit the open too.
 
2012-07-22 03:35:22 PM  
Let his name remain on the library, it reminds the rest of the world what a Penn State degree is really worth.
 
2012-07-22 03:40:37 PM  

jfarkinB: topcon: I'd love to have that for my back yard, if they're not gonna use it anywhere else.

Me too. They recently ran sewer service out our way, and I'll be needing fill material for the septic tank.


I would simply rename the statue Todd and give it my own backstory, and decorate it with a lovely hat and coat.
 
2012-07-22 03:41:22 PM  

gimmegimme: Vodka Zombie: gimmegimme: GoldSpider: Had to be done. Impossible anymore to argue that Penn State wasn't about one man while that statue was up.

Glad they kept his name on the library though; I think it's still appropriate to recognize Paterno's academic contributions.

You mean like protecting football players from getting in trouble so they won't be put on academic probation?

I guess there's a difference between contributions and celebrations. A statue celebrates the man. A library with his name on it as a result of paying for it, well... I don't know. It's kind of his.

Would he have had the money to pay for it had the child rape coverup come out in 1999, 2000, 2001, 2002, 2003, 2004, 2005, 2006, 2007, 2008, 2009 or 2010?


Good point. As I said, I don't know what to do with the library. Sell the naming rights to Yuengling, and give the cash to Paterno's estate?
 
2012-07-22 03:43:06 PM  
Well, now that they've got that monument to infamy out of the way, what to do with the empty space? I know, let's inflame the thing even further! How about a group statuary to replace it, perhaps a nice shower scene.......sort of a "Laocoön Group" for Happy Valley.

My choice would be a simple plaque, viz:

What are the roots that clutch, what branches grow
Out of this stony rubbish? Son of man,
You cannot say, or guess, for you know only
A heap of broken images, where the sun beats,
And the dead tree gives no shelter, the cricket no relief,
And the dry stone no sound of water. Only
There is shadow under this red rock,
(Come in under the shadow of this red rock),
And I will show you something different from either
Your shadow at morning striding behind you
Or your shadow at evening rising to meet you;
I will show you fear in a handful of dust.
 
2012-07-22 03:45:01 PM  

topcon: jfarkinB: topcon: I'd love to have that for my back yard, if they're not gonna use it anywhere else.

Me too. They recently ran sewer service out our way, and I'll be needing fill material for the septic tank.

I would simply rename the statue Todd and give it my own backstory, and decorate it with a lovely hat and coat.


Pffft... In fifty years, it'll wind up on whatever incarnation of Antiques Roadshow is around, and the daughter of the cute girl who handles the sports memorabilia will probably tell you it's worth a few bucks.
 
2012-07-22 03:45:06 PM  

rico567: Well, now that they've got that monument to infamy out of the way, what to do with the empty space? I know, let's inflame the thing even further! How about a group statuary to replace it, perhaps a nice shower scene.......sort of a "Laocoön Group" for Happy Valley.

My choice would be a simple plaque, viz:

What are the roots that clutch, what branches grow
Out of this stony rubbish? Son of man,
You cannot say, or guess, for you know only
A heap of broken images, where the sun beats,
And the dead tree gives no shelter, the cricket no relief,
And the dry stone no sound of water. Only
There is shadow under this red rock,
(Come in under the shadow of this red rock),
And I will show you something different from either
Your shadow at morning striding behind you
Or your shadow at evening rising to meet you;
I will show you fear in a handful of dust.


Ozymandias

I met a traveller from an antique land
Who said: Two vast and trunkless legs of stone
Stand in the desart. Near them, on the sand,
Half sunk, a shattered visage lies, whose frown,
And wrinkled lip, and sneer of cold command,
Tell that its sculptor well those passions read
Which yet survive, stamped on these lifeless things,
The hand that mocked them and the heart that fed:
And on the pedestal these words appear:
"My name is Ozymandias, king of kings:
Look on my works, ye Mighty, and despair!"
Nothing beside remains. Round the decay
Of that colossal wreck, boundless and bare
The lone and level sands stretch far away.
 
2012-07-22 03:50:57 PM  

gimmegimme: rico567: Well, now that they've got that monument to infamy out of the way, what to do with the empty space? I know, let's inflame the thing even further! How about a group statuary to replace it, perhaps a nice shower scene.......sort of a "Laocoön Group" for Happy Valley.

My choice would be a simple plaque, viz:

What are the roots that clutch, what branches grow
Out of this stony rubbish? Son of man,
You cannot say, or guess, for you know only
A heap of broken images, where the sun beats,
And the dead tree gives no shelter, the cricket no relief,
And the dry stone no sound of water. Only
There is shadow under this red rock,
(Come in under the shadow of this red rock),
And I will show you something different from either
Your shadow at morning striding behind you
Or your shadow at evening rising to meet you;
I will show you fear in a handful of dust.

Ozymandias

I met a traveller from an antique land
Who said: Two vast and trunkless legs of stone
Stand in the desart. Near them, on the sand,
Half sunk, a shattered visage lies, whose frown,
And wrinkled lip, and sneer of cold command,
Tell that its sculptor well those passions read
Which yet survive, stamped on these lifeless things,
The hand that mocked them and the heart that fed:
And on the pedestal these words appear:
"My name is Ozymandias, king of kings:
Look on my works, ye Mighty, and despair!"
Nothing beside remains. Round the decay
Of that colossal wreck, boundless and bare
The lone and level sands stretch far away.


Dude, we're talkin' bout a university, not a place for book learnin'.

/and if there must be book learnin', multiple choice please, none of this literary crap
 
2012-07-22 03:55:21 PM  

AliceBToklasLives: gimmegimme: rico567: Well, now that they've got that monument to infamy out of the way, what to do with the empty space? I know, let's inflame the thing even further! How about a group statuary to replace it, perhaps a nice shower scene.......sort of a "Laocoön Group" for Happy Valley.

My choice would be a simple plaque, viz:

What are the roots that clutch, what branches grow
Out of this stony rubbish? Son of man,
You cannot say, or guess, for you know only
A heap of broken images, where the sun beats,
And the dead tree gives no shelter, the cricket no relief,
And the dry stone no sound of water. Only
There is shadow under this red rock,
(Come in under the shadow of this red rock),
And I will show you something different from either
Your shadow at morning striding behind you
Or your shadow at evening rising to meet you;
I will show you fear in a handful of dust.

Ozymandias

I met a traveller from an antique land
Who said: Two vast and trunkless legs of stone
Stand in the desart. Near them, on the sand,
Half sunk, a shattered visage lies, whose frown,
And wrinkled lip, and sneer of cold command,
Tell that its sculptor well those passions read
Which yet survive, stamped on these lifeless things,
The hand that mocked them and the heart that fed:
And on the pedestal these words appear:
"My name is Ozymandias, king of kings:
Look on my works, ye Mighty, and despair!"
Nothing beside remains. Round the decay
Of that colossal wreck, boundless and bare
The lone and level sands stretch far away.

Dude, we're talkin' bout a university, not a place for book learnin'.

/and if there must be book learnin', multiple choice please, none of this literary crap


What do you think he is, some kind of Republic farker? He wrote that post 35 minutes ago
 
2012-07-22 04:00:09 PM  
You can look it up on opensecrets.org. You have to provide the name, state, etc. because of their spam filter:

Link

JoePa contributed to two political candidates in 2008.

Joe Sestak, $1,000
Barack Obama, $250

A clear sign that Paterno was a political whore lacking any integrity and core values.
 
2012-07-22 04:00:12 PM  

gimmegimme: You mean like protecting football players from getting in trouble so they won't be put on academic probation?


You mean like how Paterno took his star wide receiver out of the '97 Citris Bowl over academic problems even though he was still academically eligible to play?
 
2012-07-22 04:03:03 PM  

GoldSpider: gimmegimme: You mean like protecting football players from getting in trouble so they won't be put on academic probation?

You mean like how Paterno took his star wide receiver out of the '97 Citris Bowl over academic problems even though he was still academically eligible to play?


Yes, yes. Hitler loved his dogs. Stalin would pat the children on their heads as he walked by. Alexander the Great would favor strangers with a showtune, if the mood struck him.
 
2012-07-22 04:08:07 PM  

gimmegimme: Yes, yes. Hitler loved his dogs. Stalin would pat the children on their heads as he walked by. Alexander the Great would favor strangers with a showtune, if the mood struck him.


The invitation to you to prove your assertion that Penn State/Paterno facilitated academic underachievement among the football team is still open.
 
2012-07-22 04:09:15 PM  

Doris D-Day: I live in PA where people who do not have college degrees have Penn State tattoos. It's creepy, really. Culty. The takedown is necessary.


Same here in Georgia, where every other mouthbreather with a GED has UGA crap all over their truck.

Which, honestly, is part of what makes the aftermath of this scandal so delicious for me - the crossover between these supporters and the Tea Party must be huge - enjoy. lol
 
2012-07-22 04:13:51 PM  

consider this: I guess you missed the part where Penn State conducted an investigation in 1998 and turned it over to the police and child welfare.


I'm talking about how Paterno insisted that he would discipline players his own way, meaning they were treated differently than other athletes at Penn State, which violates NCAA rules.
 
2012-07-22 04:14:41 PM  
GOOD.
 
2012-07-22 04:16:32 PM  

randomjsa:
This countries obsession with its organized sports has gone well past the point of reason and sanity.

I'm only sorry there's no such thing as a hell for this man to go to now that he's dead. I'm double damn sorry there's not one for Sandusky to go to.


I agree with randomjsa.

Wait a minute... I agree with randomjsa? fark...
 
2012-07-22 04:16:49 PM  

WhyteRaven74: I'm talking about how Paterno insisted that he would discipline players his own way, meaning they were treated differently than other athletes at Penn State, which violates NCAA rules.


What does that have to do with the sanctions being levied or blaming Paterno for covering up the abuse of children?
 
2012-07-22 04:19:36 PM  

Captain_Ballbeard: Doris D-Day: I live in PA where people who do not have college degrees have Penn State tattoos. It's creepy, really. Culty. The takedown is necessary.

Same here in Georgia, where every other mouthbreather with a GED has UGA crap all over their truck.

Which, honestly, is part of what makes the aftermath of this scandal so delicious for me - the crossover between these supporters and the Tea Party must be huge - enjoy. lol


I know one of those idiots. The guy went to college in Lousiana at some third rate university, but lives and dies by Georgia Bulldog games.

The best part? He grew up in Florida.

It makes my head spin.
 
2012-07-22 04:19:46 PM  

consider this: Owangotang: the fans will still be zealots

Why do so many of you have a problem with college football fans being so passionate? I swear, some of you are more interested in seeing the fans being punished than the people responsible for allowing the abuse to take place.


If this happened in Tuscaloosa not only would I not go to games, I would be ashamed to wear my colors in public. I'm as passionate an Alabama fan as you will find. I proudly own a personally autographef picture of Coach Bryant, and even call myself the team name on internet forums, but that would end the second I found out about the systematic institutionalized cover up for and the enabling of a child predator to use the football team and facilities to RAPE CHILDREN. I would campaign for the death penalty.

Why can't you idiots at Penn State and it's legion of apologists understand the gravity of this situation?
 
2012-07-22 04:19:55 PM  
Also, where's the proof that his discipline was more lenient than what others would have imposed? As somebody already pointed out, Paterno once held a star player out of a game as punishment when he had been ruled eligible to play.
 
2012-07-22 04:21:44 PM  

consider this: What does that have to do with the sanctions being levied or blaming Paterno for covering up the abuse of children?


You realize the NCAA is sanctioning Penn State for all their violations? It's not just the Sandusky issue that will be dealt with tomorrow, but all of their rules violations.
 
2012-07-22 04:21:44 PM  

GoldSpider: gimmegimme: Yes, yes. Hitler loved his dogs. Stalin would pat the children on their heads as he walked by. Alexander the Great would favor strangers with a showtune, if the mood struck him.

The invitation to you to prove your assertion that Penn State/Paterno facilitated academic underachievement among the football team is still open.


It's awfully hard to succeed in academics if you are on academic probation or are kicked out of school for breaking university rules. Joe Paterno made sure that his players were subject to a different law. His law. I posted this earlier.

Second, the logical conclusion of your thought is silly. Jerry Sandusky helped the players he didn't rape, didn't he? Sandusky taught them about life and how to play football and surely reinforced the importance of academics.

Third, when someone does something so wrong that they become a piece of shiat, all the good that they have done is wiped away. Why are you trying to look for the good in a man who had no morals and didn't give a shiat about anyone but himself and his legacy? A legacy, by the way, that is now in "secure storage."
 
2012-07-22 04:26:17 PM  

WhyteRaven74: You realize the NCAA is sanctioning Penn State for all their violations? It's not just the Sandusky issue that will be dealt with tomorrow, but all of their rules violations.


That's 100% incorrect. The ruling tomorrow is only in response to the Sandusky situation.
 
2012-07-22 04:32:02 PM  

consider this: That's 100% incorrect. The ruling tomorrow is only in response to the Sandusky situation.


Let's see, tomorrow they'll talk about a lack of institutional control. That covers not just Sandusky but at least part of their other violations. And they can't very well leave some violations to be dealt with later, the NCAA takes on everything at once.
 
2012-07-22 04:32:32 PM  

GoldSpider: gimmegimme: Yes, yes. Hitler loved his dogs. Stalin would pat the children on their heads as he walked by. Alexander the Great would favor strangers with a showtune, if the mood struck him.

The invitation to you to prove your assertion that Penn State/Paterno facilitated academic underachievement among the football team is still open.


FYI, your only supporter is a troll account and a lot of her stuff about treating the football players differently and changing the rules to make sure their offenses would count differently is covered in the Freeh report: Link

That's part of what is going to lead to bigger sanctions on Monday. Most of this stuff on her and being let go did come out last year.
 
2012-07-22 04:34:03 PM  

gimmegimme: Third, when someone does something so wrong that they become a piece of shiat, all the good that they have done is wiped away.


Life doesn't work in absolutes the way you seem to think it does. As bad as this is, it doesn't somehow reverse the impact he's had on the people he's directly influenced over the course of his career.
 
2012-07-22 04:35:11 PM  

consider this: WhyteRaven74: You realize the NCAA is sanctioning Penn State for all their violations? It's not just the Sandusky issue that will be dealt with tomorrow, but all of their rules violations.

That's 100% incorrect. The ruling tomorrow is only in response to the Sandusky situation.


Sports illustrated seems to disagree with you, saying the penalties are the results of the Freeh report.
 
2012-07-22 04:35:50 PM  

GoldSpider: gimmegimme: Third, when someone does something so wrong that they become a piece of shiat, all the good that they have done is wiped away.

Life doesn't work in absolutes the way you seem to think it does. As bad as this is, it doesn't somehow reverse the impact he's had on the people he's directly influenced over the course of his career.


Okay, okay. Fine. You've convinced me. Jerry Sandusky isn't a piece of shiat and we should recognize the great good he has done for hundreds, if not thousands, of people.
 
2012-07-22 04:38:11 PM  

TheManofPA: FYI, your only supporter is a troll account...


You seem to be under the impression I'm against the removal of the statue, despite my post to the contrary. Dare I ask what esteemed institution graduated you with such marginal reading comprehension skills?
 
2012-07-22 04:41:03 PM  

gimmegimme: Okay, okay. Fine. You've convinced me. Jerry Sandusky isn't a piece of shiat and we should recognize the great good he has done for hundreds, if not thousands, of people.


You weren't talking about Sandusky. Nevertheless, despite the horrible things Sandusky has done, there are people that have probably benefited from their association with him as well.

I'm sorry if that upsets you.
 
2012-07-22 04:41:53 PM  
Ok, got a question (because I don't understand the ranking system).

Say the NCAA does come down on PSU and they get the death penalty for a few years. Now, I know schedules are set up sometimes years in advance. What happens to the schools that were schedule to play them this season? Does this hurt them in the points system or would it just be like having another week off? Are the other schools allowed to schedule a new opponent or would they have to wait until next season at the earliest?

Thanks!
 
2012-07-22 04:42:35 PM  

GoldSpider: gimmegimme: Okay, okay. Fine. You've convinced me. Jerry Sandusky isn't a piece of shiat and we should recognize the great good he has done for hundreds, if not thousands, of people.

You weren't talking about Sandusky. Nevertheless, despite the horrible things Sandusky has done, there are people that have probably benefited from their association with him as well.

I'm sorry if that upsets you.


Yes, and Hitler used to bake delicious bundt cakes.
 
2012-07-22 04:44:12 PM  

The Ice Queen: Ok, got a question (because I don't understand the ranking system).

Say the NCAA does come down on PSU and they get the death penalty for a few years. Now, I know schedules are set up sometimes years in advance. What happens to the schools that were schedule to play them this season? Does this hurt them in the points system or would it just be like having another week off? Are the other schools allowed to schedule a new opponent or would they have to wait until next season at the earliest?

Thanks!


It's kind of unprecedented. I THINK they could reschedule them. I'm sure there's some little AA school they could pay to play against that would love to have a 1-A school come practice against them.
 
2012-07-22 04:45:11 PM  

Vodka Zombie: Yes, and Hitler used to bake delicious bundt cakes.


And your point...?
 
2012-07-22 04:49:52 PM  

GoldSpider: Vodka Zombie: Yes, and Hitler used to bake delicious bundt cakes.

And your point...?


That because someone does good for some people, it can't balance out for the atrocities that allowed/perpetrated against others.
 
2012-07-22 04:50:49 PM  

GoldSpider: TheManofPA: FYI, your only supporter is a troll account...

You seem to be under the impression I'm against the removal of the statue, despite my post to the contrary. Dare I ask what esteemed institution graduated you with such marginal reading comprehension skills?


Just giving you a headsup on the other poster and providing the link that you requested. Did my job well enough it seems.
 
2012-07-22 04:51:03 PM  

Cloudchaser Sakonige the Red Wolf: HectorSchwartz: Serves him right. Rot in hell, Joe.

Why is there so much hate being directed at Paterno and not the admins who also participated in the cover-up? And why wipe Paterno from the school's history, thus ignoring the good things he achieved?


The admins don't have statues...and they aren't treated as saints like JoePa. That's why. They are ALL enablers, but JoePa is the visible one.
 
2012-07-22 04:54:20 PM  
"It's just another crime being committed," Lamey said of the statue's removal.

True. Removing a statue is right up there with covering up the systematic, institutionalized ass-rape of little boys. I'm glad someone had the guts to put this in the correct perspective.
 
2012-07-22 04:56:54 PM  

FriarReb98: Lost Thought 00: No one was this extreme when a coach actively covered up when his star player murdered another teammate down in texas a while ago.

This. I'm fairly convinced that if this had happened at, say, Troy University (which would be fitting, if you ask me), no one would care half as much, and most wouldn't care at all. It's like the high profile of it has made it that much more trollbait or something.

I'm sure you'll all come hating down on me, saying I support kid rapists and those who cover them up, but I don't. (I'm also sure the preceding line will be edited from any and all quotes of me.) I just think people are getting far too wrapped up in this and just want to hate, scream and avenge, and don't care what has been done legally or otherwise to those involved. I mean, for Christ's sake, you're screaming about "getting" a dead man, a convicted felon and a bunch of people who have lost their jobs and credibility. They have absolutely nothing to do with the team anymore.

And hating on the fans? Apparently every last fan of Penn State is now a kiddy-diddler in the minds of you trolls. Hell, for all I know, by just posting this I've now farked twelve kids myself in your minds. I'm also pretty convinced you'd also want to support those at your personal alma maters that weren't involved in something like this too, and not feel the slightest bit hypocritical about it.

You people need farking lives, or a bj, or a shiatload of sedatives and therapy. None of you would have the balls to go up to a Penn State fan or football player and say half the shiat you're saying in person.

Go ahead, hate on me. I'm done with this thread.


Who pissed in FriarReb's Cheerio's this morning? Some people just have no farking reading comprehension skills and are just too farking sensitive for their own good.
 
2012-07-22 04:57:49 PM  

jso2897: They're still keeping his name on the library. They really don't get it.


No, that's cool. It's to remind people of the importance of keeping quiet.

/Not my joke - heard it here. Bears repeating, though.
 
2012-07-22 04:58:16 PM  

jayphat: That because someone does good for some people, it can't balance out for the atrocities that allowed/perpetrated against others.


I agree, it doesn't work like that either. The weight that is given to the good vs. the bad, respectively, is a matter of opinion. For myself, it's an easy call that Sandusky's evils (to say nothing of what we don't yet know) outweigh his positive contributions. With regards to Paterno, I think it's a tougher call, even though my opinions of him have evolved as we learned more about his involvement. For now I will have to be content with knowing that he has done a lot of good things over his life and career, and one really horrible thing.
 
2012-07-22 04:59:39 PM  

GoldSpider: jayphat: That because someone does good for some people, it can't balance out for the atrocities that allowed/perpetrated against others.

I agree, it doesn't work like that either. The weight that is given to the good vs. the bad, respectively, is a matter of opinion. For myself, it's an easy call that Sandusky's evils (to say nothing of what we don't yet know) outweigh his positive contributions. With regards to Paterno, I think it's a tougher call, even though my opinions of him have evolved as we learned more about his involvement. For now I will have to be content with knowing that he has done a lot of good things over his life and career, and one really horrible thing.


But what about all the GOOD things Hitler did?
 
2012-07-22 05:01:23 PM  

GoldSpider: The weight that is given to the good vs. the bad, respectively, is a matter of opinion


Indeed - and your opinion is wrong.
 
2012-07-22 05:01:53 PM  
I'm going to say some obvious things but this Penn State thing has disturbed me to a level I rarely go to. The school not only failed itself then and the community, it continues to. No one in the administration seems to realize that their measures need to be dramatic and public. Your University enabled decades of child rape in the name of football wins. Jesus, get it together. If Penn State wants ANY return to credibility they have to stop all the hand wringing and pending case nonsense. Fix it. Make it quick, devastating, and high profile. Act like you're adults for once in the past 30 years.
 
2012-07-22 05:05:04 PM  

Bigger Leftist Intarweb Schlong: But what about all the GOOD things Hitler did?


You guys comparing Paterno to Hitler, and telling *US* to get some perspective, are just adorable.
 
2012-07-22 05:06:50 PM  

GoldSpider: Bigger Leftist Intarweb Schlong: But what about all the GOOD things Hitler did?

You guys comparing Paterno to Hitler, and telling *US* to get some perspective, are just adorable.


You're being sillypants again. We're pointing out that just because someone does a good thing doesn't outweigh the terrible evil they visit upon the world.

//Jeffrey Dahmer would always put a dollar in the Salvation Army kettle.
 
2012-07-22 05:13:32 PM  

gimmegimme: You're being sillypants again. We're pointing out that just because someone does a good thing doesn't outweigh the terrible evil they visit upon the world.


What exactly did Paterno do or fail to do? The only proven incident that he was involved in was when Mike McCreary reported an incident to him in 2001 and he did nothing but report it to his supervisors. Paterno's claim was that he wasn't sure what to do so decided to let somebody else deal with it. In hindsight, he says he wishes that he had done more.

Some of you are talking as if Paterno was in the shower, holding the feet of the victims.
 
2012-07-22 05:14:34 PM  

consider this: What exactly did Paterno do or fail to do?


Let's see, he made sure no one touched Sandusky, lied to a grand jury, broke NCAA rules beyond anything to do with the Sandusky situation.
 
2012-07-22 05:15:25 PM  

gimmegimme: We're pointing out that just because someone does a good thing doesn't outweigh the terrible evil they visit upon the world.


And all I'm saying is that deciding where that balance is is a matter of each's own opinion. If you really want to believe that Paterno's good/evil ratio compares to Hitler, the fact that I disagree doesn't mean I can stop you from believing that.
 
2012-07-22 05:16:58 PM  

consider this: What exactly did Paterno do or fail to do? The only proven incident that he was involved in was when Mike McCreary reported an incident to him in 2001 and he did nothing but report it to his supervisors. Paterno's claim was that he wasn't sure what to do so decided to let somebody else deal with it. In hindsight, he says he wishes that he had done more.


Looks like someone didn't read the Freeh report. You aren't doing your cause any good, you know. For your sake, I hope you're trolling.
 
2012-07-22 05:17:20 PM  

consider this: Also, where's the proof that his discipline was more lenient than what others would have imposed? As somebody already pointed out, Paterno once held a star player out of a game as punishment when he had been ruled eligible to play.


Link

A former Penn State official charged with enforcing discipline at the school said Tuesday that Joe Paterno's players got in trouble more often than other students, and got special treatment compared to non-athletes.

Vicky Triponey, who resigned her post as the university's standards and conduct officer in 2007, confirmed that she sent a 2005 email to then-president Graham Spanier and others in which she expressed her concerns about how Penn State handled discipline cases involving football players. The Wall Street Journal published excerpts from the email on Tuesday.

Paterno "is insistent he knows best how to discipline his players ... and their status as a student when they commit violations of our standards should NOT be our concern ... and I think he was saying we should treat football players different from other students in this regard," Triponey wrote in the Aug. 12, 2005, email.

"Coach Paterno would rather we NOT inform the public when a football player is found responsible for committing a serious violation of the law and/or our student code," she wrote, "despite any moral or legal obligation to do so."


...

Interviewed by The Associated Press at her Charleston home, Triponey said that throughout her tenure at Penn State there was "an ongoing debate" over who should deal with misconduct by football players.

Her 2005 email was sent the day after a heated meeting in which Paterno complained about the discipline process.

"He knew better than anyone how to discipline them. We wanted to show him the (disciplinary) data and suggest that 'Well, whatever it is we're doing, it's not working.' They're getting into trouble at a greater rate than they should. We wanted to find a way to address that," she said. "The meeting ended up being a one-sided conversation with the coach talking about his frustrations, his anger, his not being happy with the way we were running the system."


...

She told the AP that pressure to go easier on football players increased as her tenure went on.

"Many times, (because of) the pressure placed on us by the president or the football coach, eventually, we would end up doing sanctions that were not what another student would've got," she said. "It was much less. It was adapted to try to accommodate the concerns of the coach."


/white-knighting for Paterno
//with a 3-week-old-account
///plenty of bites
 
2012-07-22 05:18:20 PM  

WhyteRaven74: Let's see, he made sure no one touched Sandusky, lied to a grand jury, broke NCAA rules beyond anything to do with the Sandusky situation.


Made sure nobody touched Sandusky - flat out lie and not in the report
Lied to a grand jury - no evidence of this
Broke NCAA rules - speculation

There's one email in regards to the 1998 incident where somebody stated that "coach wants to know" the current status of the Sandusky investigation but that's in no way proof that Paterno knew about the incident.
 
2012-07-22 05:19:44 PM  

GoldSpider: gimmegimme: We're pointing out that just because someone does a good thing doesn't outweigh the terrible evil they visit upon the world.

And all I'm saying is that deciding where that balance is is a matter of each's own opinion. If you really want to believe that Paterno's good/evil ratio compares to Hitler, the fact that I disagree doesn't mean I can stop you from believing that.


Unfortunately, subtlety and reason don't work with the JoePa defenders. If they did, they wouldn't be defending JoePa.
 
2012-07-22 05:21:26 PM  

consider this: Broke NCAA rules - speculation


No it's not. There is documented evidence Paterno insisted on football players being disciplined how he wanted, which is a violation of NCAA rules.

Lied to a grand jury - no evidence of this

He told the grand jury he had no awareness of what was going on with Sandusky. That is patently false.

flat out lie and not in the report

Actually it's pretty much the whole reason the report exists.
 
2012-07-22 05:21:28 PM  

GoldSpider: Looks like someone didn't read the Freeh report. You aren't doing your cause any good, you know. For your sake, I hope you're trolling.


I've been browsing it for the last hour or so. There's nothing in it that says Paterno was aware of other incidents or that he in any way covered up or hindered the investigation. Since you seem to be so familiar with it, perhaps you can point those things out to me.
 
2012-07-22 05:22:14 PM  
Wow, people are still defending this farker?! Can we put these people in a "Forced Sterilization" group with holocaust deniers, truthers, birthers, etc.
 
2012-07-22 05:22:41 PM  

WhyteRaven74: He told the grand jury he had no awareness of what was going on with Sandusky. That is patently false.


He told the grand jury he wasn't aware of any incidents other than the one in 2001. He also said that there may have been talk about a rumor of another incident but couldn't remember.

I thought you read the report? You obviously haven't.
 
2012-07-22 05:23:06 PM  

consider this: WhyteRaven74: Let's see, he made sure no one touched Sandusky, lied to a grand jury, broke NCAA rules beyond anything to do with the Sandusky situation.

Made sure nobody touched Sandusky - flat out lie and not in the report
Lied to a grand jury - no evidence of this
Broke NCAA rules - speculation

There's one email in regards to the 1998 incident where somebody stated that "coach wants to know" the current status of the Sandusky investigation but that's in no way proof that Paterno knew about the incident.


Jesus you need to read the Freeh report. There is mounds of evidence to support some of the things stated.
 
2012-07-22 05:23:44 PM  

vrax: Wow, people are still defending this farker?! Can we put these people in a "Forced Sterilization" group with holocaust deniers, truthers, birthers, etc.


Hey, stop being mean to Joe Arpaio. He gives his mailman ten dollars every Christmas.
 
2012-07-22 05:29:14 PM  
marclombardi.files.wordpress.com

/ argue all you want ... there will be HELL to pay tomorrow
 
2012-07-22 05:31:31 PM  

consider this: WhyteRaven74: He told the grand jury he had no awareness of what was going on with Sandusky. That is patently false.

He told the grand jury he wasn't aware of any incidents other than the one in 2001. He also said that there may have been talk about a rumor of another incident but couldn't remember.

I thought you read the report? You obviously haven't.


Emails uncovered by Freeh's investigation revealed that Paterno had lied to the grand jury on at least two occasions: first, when testifying that he was unaware of any possible child abuse by Sandusky prior to the 2001 Lasch shower rape, and second, in claiming that he had only once spoken to Tim Curley about the 2001 incident. Emails uncovered by Freeh's team showed Paterno had, in fact, closely followed an earlier 1998 investigation about possible child molestation by Sandusky. In 2001, while Paterno claimed his only discussion regarding McQueary's report to him about Sandusky in the Lasch showers was with Curley immediately following the incident, subsequent emails revealed he had engaged in additional conversations with Curley pressuring him (and Schultz and Spanier) not to report the rape to police.

In addition, the report said that even after Sandusky's retirement in 1999 Paterno, Schultz, Spanier and Curley "empowered Sandusky to attract potential victims to the campus and football events by allowing him to have continued, unrestricted and unsupervised access to the University's facilities and affiliation with the University's prominent football program."
 
2012-07-22 05:31:58 PM  

jayphat: Jesus you need to read the Freeh report. There is mounds of evidence to support some of the things stated.


I've been reading it, you obviously haven't. If you want to prove me wrong, please provide specific citations of evidence against Paterno other than his actions in regards to the the 2001 incident.
 
2012-07-22 05:32:20 PM  

FriarReb98: I'm also pretty convinced you'd also want to support those at your personal alma maters that weren't involved in something like this too, and not feel the slightest bit hypocritical about it.


No.

Just, no.

I'm a Toledo Rocket to the core. If there were ever a case of systemic abuse and enabling of such abuse here, I'd be in line calling for the program to burn. I've seen 12 seasons of Toledo football, lots of memories I cherish, but it would all be tainted beyond reclamation if something like this became linked to it.
 
2012-07-22 05:33:28 PM  

consider this: jayphat: Jesus you need to read the Freeh report. There is mounds of evidence to support some of the things stated.

I've been reading it, you obviously haven't. If you want to prove me wrong, please provide specific citations of evidence against Paterno other than his actions in regards to the the 2001 incident.


Jesus christ. Its +500 pages long and I'm on my phone. Find it yourself. Plenty of people have given you exerts already.
 
2012-07-22 05:36:47 PM  
 
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2012-07-22 05:40:31 PM  
blog.zap2it.com

/ he looks skeerd
 
2012-07-22 05:43:03 PM  
Taking the statue down at least gives the impression that at least some people at Penn State are embarrassed or horrified by what's happened. Obviously, some people in power are feeling the revulsion the rest of us feel.
 
2012-07-22 05:43:43 PM  
blog.zap2it.com
They took away the wall people, Bobby. They erased them!
This is just like Paris in the time of The Terror.
 
2012-07-22 05:55:12 PM  
BTW per ESPN Penn State has said that they won't protest any punishment put out by the NCAA. And according to ESPN's source, the death penalty is at play, the source indicated that bowl bans and loss of scholarships are possible, but what the actual punishment is, the source doesn't know.
 
2012-07-22 05:57:19 PM  

MyToeHurts: I don't get it. 'movin' again'? Did he move somewhere before? Is it some obscure reference to Sandusky?


He is dead. Moving at all would be moving again.
 
2012-07-22 05:58:19 PM  
Sheesh....does not anybody in State College PA get it?

I just can't get over the Penn St / Joe Paterno apologists in threads all over the internet and interviews on TV. It is like they just cannot get it into their heads that the entire program is damaged and has to go....clean sweep. Even that Board of Trustees with their over intellectualized press conference replete with just about every clichéd corporate aphorism and feigned look of concern while talking about "the future" and all that crap. How about the present and just stop trying to pick and choose who or what is at fault?

It is going to suck for the entire area and yeah, some people are going to lose out and unfairly so, but the entire foundation of the program and the infection it created for the university leave very few areas unaffected. I am not suggesting that everyone participated or even knew what was going on. However, when everything was coming up roses, nobody complained and reaped the benefits of the uptime. Now it is time to share in the downtime.

The system is broken, top to bottom, front to back. It needs a ground up rebuild, not a series of band-aids that cover up the festering sores. Maybe not forever, but there needs to be a total reset to get an honest evaluation of just how bad things are.
 
2012-07-22 06:02:58 PM  

consider this: WhyteRaven74: Let's see, he made sure no one touched Sandusky, lied to a grand jury, broke NCAA rules beyond anything to do with the Sandusky situation.

Made sure nobody touched Sandusky - flat out lie and not in the report
Lied to a grand jury - no evidence of this
Broke NCAA rules - speculation

There's one email in regards to the 1998 incident where somebody stated that "coach wants to know" the current status of the Sandusky investigation but that's in no way proof that Paterno knew about the incident.


Clearly and obviously you are wrong. The Freeh report makes clear that Paterno knew about the 1998 incident with Sandusky and inquired about where things stood. When asked if he had any knowledge of the 1998 incident when testifying under oath in front of the grand jury, Paterno said no. He lied to grand jury and if he was alive today he would be indicted for perjury.
 
2012-07-22 06:10:14 PM  

consider this: Mitch Taylor's Bro: Likewise, investigating Sandusky circa 1998 would've been terribly embarrassing for the program.

Sandusky was investigated by the university in 1998 and that investigation was turned over to local authorities. They declined to press charges.


maybe not enough evidence then...but obviously enough went on sine then that it should have been re reported. The police may have failed a bit in this too, for all we know. But it sure looks like a lot of pretty serious stuff was never reported to authorites.
 
2012-07-22 06:12:31 PM  

Atypical Person Reading Fark: Taking the statue down at least gives the impression that at least some people at Penn State are embarrassed or horrified by what's happened. Obviously, some people in power are feeling the revulsion the rest of us feel.


Or the prez knows that statue would have been destroyed the night after he announced it was staying up, and 24x7 security wasn't worth the money..
 
2012-07-22 06:23:34 PM  

gimmegimme: TheManofPA: gimmegimme: consider this: 2012 Penn State Nittany Lions Football Results

September 1 Ohio U FORFEIT
September 8 Virginia FORFEIT
September 15 Navy FORFEIT
September 22 Temple FORFEIT
September 29 Illinois FORFEIT
October 6 Northwestern FORFEIT
October 13 Open
October 20 Iowa FORFEIT
October 27 Ohio State FORFEIT
November 3 Purdue FORFEIT
November 10 Nebraska FORFEIT
November 17 Indiana FORFEIT
November 24 Wisconsin FORFEIT

You know, with that win, if Ohio takes down New Mexico State, they could run the table. Too bad the playoff is not until next year because as Vince would say, there's no chance in hell, they'd be in the BCS game.

Well, Ohio State isn't going to a bowl at all next year because of tattoos and autograph fees and a coverup. Penn State better get penalties that are far worse.


You do realize he was talking about OHIO, not Ohio State. First game on the schedule, September 1.
 
2012-07-22 06:24:47 PM  

GoldSpider: gimmegimme: Third, when someone does something so wrong that they become a piece of shiat, all the good that they have done is wiped away.

Life doesn't work in absolutes the way you seem to think it does. As bad as this is, it doesn't somehow reverse the impact he's had on the people he's directly influenced over the course of his career.


Did he make the trains run on time?
 
2012-07-22 06:27:10 PM  

JonBuck: Here's a link to the Freeh Report. It's a long document, but read the Executive Summary to get the salient points.


Now who else other than Paterno (and staff) would stand to benefit if Sandusky was to not be prosecuted in 1998?

The short story
The longer one
 
2012-07-22 06:29:01 PM  

Creeping Malaise: gimmegimme: TheManofPA: gimmegimme: consider this: 2012 Penn State Nittany Lions Football Results

September 1 Ohio U FORFEIT
September 8 Virginia FORFEIT
September 15 Navy FORFEIT
September 22 Temple FORFEIT
September 29 Illinois FORFEIT
October 6 Northwestern FORFEIT
October 13 Open
October 20 Iowa FORFEIT
October 27 Ohio State FORFEIT
November 3 Purdue FORFEIT
November 10 Nebraska FORFEIT
November 17 Indiana FORFEIT
November 24 Wisconsin FORFEIT

You know, with that win, if Ohio takes down New Mexico State, they could run the table. Too bad the playoff is not until next year because as Vince would say, there's no chance in hell, they'd be in the BCS game.

Well, Ohio State isn't going to a bowl at all next year because of tattoos and autograph fees and a coverup. Penn State better get penalties that are far worse.

You do realize he was talking about OHIO, not Ohio State. First game on the schedule, September 1.


Yes, I am aware he was talking about OHIO. That's why I qualified my statement by referring to "Ohio State." As a Buckeye, I am well within my rights to have called the school "THE Ohio State University," but I only find the appellation necessary in official instances.
 
2012-07-22 06:29:28 PM  
Also associated with huddled masses and rapists:
www.freefoto.com
 
2012-07-22 06:31:25 PM  

dlp211: Emails uncovered by Freeh's investigation revealed that Paterno had lied to the grand jury on at least two occasions: first, when testifying that he was unaware of any possible child abuse by Sandusky prior to the 2001 Lasch shower rape, and second, in claiming that he had only once spoken to Tim Curley about the 2001 incident. Emails uncovered by Freeh's team showed Paterno had, in fact, closely followed an earlier 1998 investigation about possible child molestation by Sandusky. In 2001, while Paterno claimed his only discussion regarding McQueary's report to him about Sandusky in the Lasch showers was with Curley immediately following the incident, subsequent emails revealed he had engaged in additional conversations with Curley pressuring him (and Schultz and Spanier) not to report the rape to police.


The email being referenced here is one in which somebody claimed that Paterno was interested in an update on the 1998 investigation. You do understand how that's not proof that Paterno actually knew about the investigation, right?

There are no emails to or from Paterno that indicate that he was aware of any incident other than the one in 2001.
 
2012-07-22 06:35:10 PM  

sethstorm: JonBuck: Here's a link to the Freeh Report. It's a long document, but read the Executive Summary to get the salient points.

Now who else other than Paterno (and staff) would stand to benefit if Sandusky was to not be prosecuted in 1998?

The short story
The longer one


Yea, from the comments of "The Short Story":

When I was a law clerk for a criminal judge, we used to get letters from inmates professing their innocence and why everyone but them were to blame for their being in jail. They would point to a small fact here, a fleeting remark there, such as the police officer did not stop me for drugs, he said it was speeding but I was only 5 mph over the limit and others were going much faster than me. The inmate would never address (much less recognize) the fact that he had a huge bag of cocaine on the passenger side seat, clearly visible to anyone looking in the window. And, just like Arubass' "columns" the letters would go on for pages, pointing to "facts", which taken separately or together never overcame the fact that drugs were on the seat.

What anyone else did or did not do does not mitigate what we now know Joe et al did and did NOT do. End of story. And, the Freeh report does not insulate the school from liability, if anything, it provides a basis for it as all these actors did what they did (and did not do) while working at and for the University in their capacities as school employees.
 
2012-07-22 06:36:33 PM  

octopied: maybe not enough evidence then...but obviously enough went on sine then that it should have been re reported. The police may have failed a bit in this too, for all we know. But it sure looks like a lot of pretty serious stuff was never reported to authorites.


I agree that incidents should have been reported to police and even that Paterno should have done more than pass the buck in 2001 even though he hadn't directly witnessed any abuse. I'll even say that the university was right for removing him as head coach.

Speaking of reporting incidents to police, why did none of the parents go to the police? The ones that were aware of something going on went to the campus police instead of local authorities. Even if they felt that was the best move, why didn't they follow up with the police when their complaints went nowhere?

Also, this entire mess could have been cleared up in 2000 if the janitor who witnessed a rape taking place had reported it to police. How many additional children were abused because of his silence?
 
2012-07-22 06:39:01 PM  

consider this: dlp211: Emails uncovered by Freeh's investigation revealed that Paterno had lied to the grand jury on at least two occasions: first, when testifying that he was unaware of any possible child abuse by Sandusky prior to the 2001 Lasch shower rape, and second, in claiming that he had only once spoken to Tim Curley about the 2001 incident. Emails uncovered by Freeh's team showed Paterno had, in fact, closely followed an earlier 1998 investigation about possible child molestation by Sandusky. In 2001, while Paterno claimed his only discussion regarding McQueary's report to him about Sandusky in the Lasch showers was with Curley immediately following the incident, subsequent emails revealed he had engaged in additional conversations with Curley pressuring him (and Schultz and Spanier) not to report the rape to police.

The email being referenced here is one in which somebody claimed that Paterno was interested in an update on the 1998 investigation. You do understand how that's not proof that Paterno actually knew about the investigation, right?

There are no emails to or from Paterno that indicate that he was aware of any incident other than the one in 2001.


Oh boy are you retarded? Seriously, did someone get in President N0bama's magic time machine and go back and write in an email that Paterno was interested in an investigation that he had no knowledge of? Why the hell would someone write that Paterno wanted an update in an email in 1998 unless he wanted a freakin' update?
 
2012-07-22 06:42:31 PM  

consider this: octopied: maybe not enough evidence then...but obviously enough went on sine then that it should have been re reported. The police may have failed a bit in this too, for all we know. But it sure looks like a lot of pretty serious stuff was never reported to authorites.

I agree that incidents should have been reported to police and even that Paterno should have done more than pass the buck in 2001 even though he hadn't directly witnessed any abuse. I'll even say that the university was right for removing him as head coach.

Speaking of reporting incidents to police, why did none of the parents go to the police? The ones that were aware of something going on went to the campus police instead of local authorities. Even if they felt that was the best move, why didn't they follow up with the police when their complaints went nowhere?

Also, this entire mess could have been cleared up in 2000 if the janitor who witnessed a rape taking place had reported it to police. How many additional children were abused because of his silence?


I just wrote this in the comment before yours, but I will repost for clarity.

When I was a law clerk for a criminal judge, we used to get letters from inmates professing their innocence and why everyone but them were to blame for their being in jail. They would point to a small fact here, a fleeting remark there, such as the police officer did not stop me for drugs, he said it was speeding but I was only 5 mph over the limit and others were going much faster than me. The inmate would never address (much less recognize) the fact that he had a huge bag of cocaine on the passenger side seat, clearly visible to anyone looking in the window. And, just like Arubass' "columns" the letters would go on for pages, pointing to "facts", which taken separately or together never overcame the fact that drugs were on the seat.

What anyone else did or did not do does not mitigate what we now know Joe et al did and did NOT do. End of story. And, the Freeh report does not insulate the school from liability, if anything, it provides a basis for it as all these actors did what they did (and did not do) while working at and for the University in their capacities as school employees.


A janitor is and was not one of, if not the, most powerful man at Penn St. At least one of the parents did go to the authorities. Do none of you take 10 minutes to read something before you comment on it?
 
2012-07-22 06:43:05 PM  

dlp211: Oh boy are you retarded? Seriously, did someone get in President N0bama's magic time machine and go back and write in an email that Paterno was interested in an investigation that he had no knowledge of? Why the hell would someone write that Paterno wanted an update in an email in 1998 unless he wanted a freakin' update?


I've often claimed that my boss was interested in something as a way of getting a faster response from somebody, it's one of the oldest tricks in the book.
 
2012-07-22 06:48:23 PM  
Dear everyone: sports are great! As entertainment. As soon as you treat them like a way of life, you run the risk of someday ending up like the psychopaths at Penn State, upset because of a farking statue instead of SERIAL CHILD RAPES.
 
2012-07-22 06:50:12 PM  

consider this: octopied: maybe not enough evidence then...but obviously enough went on sine then that it should have been re reported. The police may have failed a bit in this too, for all we know. But it sure looks like a lot of pretty serious stuff was never reported to authorites.

I agree that incidents should have been reported to police and even that Paterno should have done more than pass the buck in 2001 even though he hadn't directly witnessed any abuse. I'll even say that the university was right for removing him as head coach.

Speaking of reporting incidents to police, why did none of the parents go to the police? The ones that were aware of something going on went to the campus police instead of local authorities. Even if they felt that was the best move, why didn't they follow up with the police when their complaints went nowhere?

Also, this entire mess could have been cleared up in 2000 if the janitor who witnessed a rape taking place had reported it to police. How many additional children were abused because of his silence?


The 1998 incident was reported to the police. That's where this whole cover-up began.

And 2000 - exactly! It was all the janitor's fault - even though the Freeh Report specifically mentioned the janitor didn't want to say anything because he was afraid to be fired - but still, pass the blame around, right?

Did you even read the report?
 
2012-07-22 06:52:36 PM  

gimmegimme: Well, Ohio State isn't going to a bowl at all next year because of tattoos and autograph fees and a coverup. Penn State better get penalties that are far worse.

You do realize he was talking about OHIO, not Ohio State. First game on the schedule, September 1.

Yes, I am aware he was talking about OHIO. That's why I qualified my statement by referring to "Ohio State." As a Buckeye, I am well within my rights to have called the school "THE Ohio State University," but I only find the appellation necessary in official instances.


Ok. Didn't realize you were a Buckeye. A lot of commentators on here get confused since TSUN now calls tOSU "OHIO". I've got my tickets for the Cal game. No place better than the 'Shoe on a Saturday.
 
2012-07-22 06:55:57 PM  

MyToeHurts: I don't get it. 'movin' again'? Did he move somewhere before? Is it some obscure reference to Sandusky?


Normally, dead people don't move.
 
2012-07-22 06:56:21 PM  

sethstorm: JonBuck: Here's a link to the Freeh Report. It's a long document, but read the Executive Summary to get the salient points.

Now who else other than Paterno (and staff) would stand to benefit if Sandusky was to not be prosecuted in 1998?

The short story
The longer one


I see what your getting at, but it doesn't work. I don't doubt for one minute that there are people who knew at the charities, too.

But how does that mitigate, reduce, or otherwise change the fact that Paterno (who ran the school like a personal fiefdom) and the administrators (Paterno's lapdogs) knew about it as well and still covered it up, for their own reasons?

Here's a hint: it doesn't.

/I wish you guys had left up the statue
//That way the whole world would be reminded of how farking crazy you guys are.
 
2012-07-22 06:57:41 PM  

J Bag: And 2000 - exactly! It was all the janitor's fault - even though the Freeh Report specifically mentioned the janitor didn't want to say anything because he was afraid to be fired - but still, pass the blame around, right?


So if the janitor would have called 911 and reported a rape taking place, he would have been fired and the police would have covered it up? That's just goddamn ridiculous and I'd hope you were smart enough to understand that.

Not reporting the rape of a child is inexcusable and that janitor is as responsible for the continued abuse as anybody else.
 
2012-07-22 06:59:55 PM  

BarkingUnicorn: Atypical Person Reading Fark: Taking the statue down at least gives the impression that at least some people at Penn State are embarrassed or horrified by what's happened. Obviously, some people in power are feeling the revulsion the rest of us feel.

Or the prez knows that statue would have been destroyed the night after he announced it was staying up, and 24x7 security wasn't worth the money..


True. One would like to think so. I know that if I had to walk by that statue every day and I had any power to take it down, I would, sheer personal revulsion.
 
2012-07-22 07:00:11 PM  

Creeping Malaise: gimmegimme: Well, Ohio State isn't going to a bowl at all next year because of tattoos and autograph fees and a coverup. Penn State better get penalties that are far worse.

You do realize he was talking about OHIO, not Ohio State. First game on the schedule, September 1.

Yes, I am aware he was talking about OHIO. That's why I qualified my statement by referring to "Ohio State." As a Buckeye, I am well within my rights to have called the school "THE Ohio State University," but I only find the appellation necessary in official instances.

Ok. Didn't realize you were a Buckeye. A lot of commentators on here get confused since TSUN now calls tOSU "OHIO". I've got my tickets for the Cal game. No place better than the 'Shoe on a Saturday.


Brady Hoke (as I'm sure you know) has been calling Ohio State "Ohio," as though that will make us mad. It really doesn't.

And I love the 'Shoe, too. I was at the Penn State game in 2009, when we lost in those last seconds. Guess what? Thanks to Joe Paterno, we didn't really lose that night! Check the record books starting tomorrow.
 
2012-07-22 07:00:28 PM  

consider this: J Bag: And 2000 - exactly! It was all the janitor's fault - even though the Freeh Report specifically mentioned the janitor didn't want to say anything because he was afraid to be fired - but still, pass the blame around, right?

So if the janitor would have called 911 and reported a rape taking place, he would have been fired and the police would have covered it up? That's just goddamn ridiculous and I'd hope you were smart enough to understand that.

Not reporting the rape of a child is inexcusable and that janitor is as responsible for the continued abuse as anybody else.


Yup. Doesn't make JoPa any less culpable, though. What was your point again?
 
2012-07-22 07:00:57 PM  

gimmegimme: Guntram Shatterhand: gblive: It would be nice if the NCAA announcement on Monday includes the requirement that Paterno's and Sandusky's names / likeness must be removed from any structure on campus and from the sponsorship of any campus event.

I hope so. And honestly, I find it hard that there's no legalese around naming buildings so that a university is on the hook when something like this goes down. Seems incredibly short-sighted. Then again, Penn State could probably have Paterno's family try to sue over the endowment and wait them out. I don't think the family is going to be flush with cash considering the civil suits have yet to begin.

As I recall, JoePa negotiated his last contract when he knew he was dying and the walls were coming down and made sure his estate got millions of bucks. True, those millions will eventually go to Paterno's victims.


I highly doubt it. JoePa did not "create" any victims. He enabled the victimizer which is an entirely different thing. Not sure how much his estate would suffer from that. Probably not much.
 
2012-07-22 07:02:14 PM  

GoldSpider: gimmegimme: We're pointing out that just because someone does a good thing doesn't outweigh the terrible evil they visit upon the world.

And all I'm saying is that deciding where that balance is is a matter of each's own opinion. If you really want to believe that Paterno's good/evil ratio compares to Hitler, the fact that I disagree doesn't mean I can stop you from believing that.


I don't know, I'm fairly sure a couple or so decades of aiding and abetting child rape pretty much wipes out any good you might have done during the course of your life.
 
2012-07-22 07:02:54 PM  
My two cents worth:

Winning isn't everything and when you make it everything, you end up with nothing.

There were bets to be made, games to be fixed and, apparently, little boys that needed to be raped and Joe Pa chose winning by protecting his program over doing the right thing.
 
2012-07-22 07:04:50 PM  

ArdRi6: A local sport's bar could buy it so those who still support him can drink toasts to their hero.


NAMBLA could buy it and use it as a mascot at their conventions.
 
2012-07-22 07:05:46 PM  

consider this: Speaking of reporting incidents to police, why did none of the parents go to the police? The ones that were aware of something going on went to the campus police instead of local authorities. Even if they felt that was the best move, why didn't they follow up with the police when their complaints went nowhere?

Also, this entire mess could have been cleared up in 2000 if the janitor who witnessed a rape taking place had reported it to police. How many additional children were abused because of his silence?


You are so right about this... The kids parents are the ones to blame.

I think that they should also remove the statue of the janitor from the campus immediately! I will not rest until this is done.
 
2012-07-22 07:08:10 PM  

consider this: J Bag: And 2000 - exactly! It was all the janitor's fault - even though the Freeh Report specifically mentioned the janitor didn't want to say anything because he was afraid to be fired - but still, pass the blame around, right?

So if the janitor would have called 911 and reported a rape taking place, he would have been fired and the police would have covered it up? That's just goddamn ridiculous and I'd hope you were smart enough to understand that.

Not reporting the rape of a child is inexcusable and that janitor is as responsible for the continued abuse as anybody else.


It's funny you say, "that's just goddamn ridiculous" as if the idea is a cover-up is unfathomable, because that's exactly what happened in 1998. The police were notified about a child rape in 1998 and the incident was covered up.

If the police didn't believe A VICTIM OF THE ACTUAL RAPE, why would they believe some lowly janitor?
 
2012-07-22 07:10:44 PM  

sethstorm: Wile_E._Quixote: Now if they could just remove Sandusky as permanently.

/...and some students are still defending him?
//Not even defending, just claiming he doesnt deserve this.
///They're right - he deserved none of these smears

FTFY.

Now if they could remove the rabid anti-Paterno folks as permanently and put them in a secure location away from the public. Wouldnt need to remove the statue at all.


OK, seriously. Why do you have such a hard time understanding that people are mad at a person who knew child rape was occurring and did nothing to stop it? What about that is so difficult?

I don't really have a dog in this fight. I'm not a fan of football, but I don't hate it either. It's just not my thing. The fact that other people DO like football does not bother me.

But child-rape DOES bother me. I don't doubt Joe Paterno did some good works in his life and was a positive influence on many people. But he also committed a serious sin of omission: he knew a terrible thing was happening, and he did NOTHING to stop it.

No matter how good of a person he was beyond that, his reputation will always carry that stain. And remember this: HE put the stain there. Not anybody else.
 
2012-07-22 07:10:56 PM  

J Bag: consider this: J Bag: And 2000 - exactly! It was all the janitor's fault - even though the Freeh Report specifically mentioned the janitor didn't want to say anything because he was afraid to be fired - but still, pass the blame around, right?

So if the janitor would have called 911 and reported a rape taking place, he would have been fired and the police would have covered it up? That's just goddamn ridiculous and I'd hope you were smart enough t