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2012-07-22 10:23:56 AM  
3 votes:
Terrence Malick directed a superhero movie?
2012-07-22 09:38:24 AM  
3 votes:
I want to do naughty, dirty, things to Henry Cavill. He makes my lady parts happy. I would watch him do pretty much anything...laundry included.
2012-07-22 03:24:31 PM  
2 votes:

Rent Party:

Like I said, if Banner were invincible, he wouldn't need to run. And the other villians created through the same technology wouldn't be able to die, either.


He runs because he wants to be left alone. Learn2Hulk.
2012-07-22 01:16:46 PM  
2 votes:

DamnYankees: Here's the way I would go with Superman - do it like M. Night did in Unbreakable.

Seriously, hear me out. What I loved about that movie was that the discovery that this guy was a superhero took an interesting shape. The fact that he had super-strength didn't make it easy for him to lift stuff - it just meant that his exertion did more. It's still hard for him to lift 200 pounds, just like it is for us, but he has the ability push himself even harder, maybe infinitely so. But in order for it to be believable, we in the audience need to feel the exertion. That's how it has to work.

So when Superman is running really fast or really long, he should definitely get winded. He should get incredibly farking tired. But he should also never actually stop running. It should just be incredibly painful, while he's still able to actually do it. That's the way the powers should work.


That's not Superman.

You can't ground Superman in "reality" like Nolan did with Batman. Superman is an alien, so all of the elements automatically become supernatural. If you take that away from Superman, he's somebody else entirely.
2012-07-22 01:14:13 PM  
2 votes:
Here's the way I would go with Superman - do it like M. Night did in Unbreakable.

Seriously, hear me out. What I loved about that movie was that the discovery that this guy was a superhero took an interesting shape. The fact that he had super-strength didn't make it easy for him to lift stuff - it just meant that his exertion did more. It's still hard for him to lift 200 pounds, just like it is for us, but he has the ability push himself even harder, maybe infinitely so. But in order for it to be believable, we in the audience need to feel the exertion. That's how it has to work.

So when Superman is running really fast or really long, he should definitely get winded. He should get incredibly farking tired. But he should also never actually stop running. It should just be incredibly painful, while he's still able to actually do it. That's the way the powers should work.
2012-07-22 11:12:56 AM  
2 votes:
Henry Cavill was great in the Tudors so it's nice to see him getting a prominent role. The good news is that this Superman movie can be nowhere near as bad as the last one
2012-07-22 09:51:00 AM  
2 votes:
2012-07-22 09:43:39 AM  
2 votes:

I saw a Superman trailer in the theater, and I wondered, "Superman leaves two contrails when he flies?" It was weird.


And I'm just tired of re-booted origin stories already. We just had a Superman movie not too long ago, and Spiderman's recent reboot wasn't even that good. I wish the studios would do the same thing they did with Ed Norton's version of "The Incredible Hulk" reboot and spend as little time as possible on where he came from, and just get on the story.

2012-07-22 09:20:01 AM  
2 votes:
It's a teaser you dummies... Not a full trailer.

Also, the little touch of having TWO teasers, one being a message from Jonathan Kent and the other a message from Jor-El, tells me that the producers/writers/directors are being really thorough with the details about Superman's personality and indicates the movie is going down the right road so far.

Superman will have to chose being a Kryptonian God or being one of us. And these two teasers are foreshadowing that moral conflict.
2012-07-22 05:38:19 AM  
2 votes:

Teknowaffle: And apparently doing a guest spot on Deadliest Catch


For the first 30 seconds I thought it was for a remake of The Perfect Storm.
2012-07-23 04:23:07 PM  
1 votes:
I feel like most of the anti-Superman opinions out there are mostly regurgitations from a small number of stand-up comedians ("How does he shave?!" "What, did half of Krypton fall on the Earth?!") and bloggers. The "He's boring!" and "He's a Boy Scout!" ones get me the most. There've been continuous stories about Superman since the 30s. Granted, not all were great, but there you go. It shows a lack of imagination to assume that because a character is powerful, he can't be challenged in interesting and compelling ways. Check out any of the recent animated stuff that features Superman for examples.

There's 3 ways to challenge Superman:

1) Depower him. This is what the movies do (Kryptonite), and everyone mostly knows Superman from the movies, so there you go.
2) Overpower him. The DC universe has gazillions of threats capable of simply beating the crap out of Superman. Zod, Brainiac, Darkseid, Bizarro, Doomsday, etc.
3) Make his power irrelevant. There's tons of ways to challenge Superman in ways that make his powers irrelevant. Mass invasions, anti-alien propaganda, politics (see: Lex Luthor for President), etc. Superman can't punch public opinion and can't take on the entire US Army without breaking his code.

Just because whatever comedian/blogger you're watching/reading can't come up with a way to make Superman interesting, that doesn't mean NO ONE can. These trailers (and the SDCC footage) make it seem that Snyder and his team are going the right way, making the story about Superman's code and decisions about what to do with his power. People forget that even with his powers, Superman's emotionally human in there, and thus, vulnerable.
2012-07-23 09:30:16 AM  
1 votes:

eldritch2k4:
From Wiki: Contrails (play /ˈkɒntreɪlz/; short for "condensation trails") or vapour trails are long thin artificial clouds that sometimes form behind aircraft. Their formation is most often triggered by the water vapour in the exhaust of aircraft engines, but can also be triggered by the changes in air pressure in wingtip vortices or in the air over the entire wing surface.[1]


Wikipedia confusing two completely different phenomenon does not make them the same thing. Visible vortices and exhaust contrails are caused by completely different factors and don't resemble each other in appearance. Vortices are short duration phenomenon caused by air pressure differentials while exhaust contrails are caused by crystallized ice formed from water vapor freezing to particulate mater from combustion.

These are vortices: Clicky the Linky

Note the ones on the wingtip as well as the outboard flaps. Note mainly the semi-transparent nature, the curly shape and the distinctive ring structure that indicates air rotation in the vortex.

Note also in the picture the overwing vapor cloud, which Wikipedia also claims to be a contrail, but is formed by the same principle as visible vortices

These are exhaust contrails: Clicky the Linky

Notice the fluffy, non-tubular, non-structured appearance. Also note that the propagate in straight lines from the point of origin and don't twist like votices do.


Two completely separate phenomenon with two completely separate causes and structures. If Wiki is too stupid to think they are related, well, it's WIki... Over wing vapor dissipates immediately after the wing. They are non-persistent. Visible vortices dissipate immediately upon the vortex core deteriorating. Very rapidly. Exhaust contrails can persist for hundreds of miles.

The cone that appears around Supes is an accurate representation of a trans-sonic shock cone, though it's debatable if Supes has the aerodynamic structures to generate one or why he would be maintaining trans-sonic speeds... And the contrails are also an accurate depiction of exhaust contrails... except for the key problem, no exhaust for them to form in.
2012-07-23 03:59:27 AM  
1 votes:

Click Click D'oh: 1. Put snakes on plane: Wings can create contrails, but you got me on how this is supposed to work. Maybe there is a factual explanation for it, but it doesn't look right, does it?

No they don't. Wings can create visible vortices or low pressure vapor. Both of which immediately dissipate once the pressure differentials that formed them diffuse. That's what makes the trans-sonic shock cone visible, and why it vanishes so quickly. Votices, like those that come from wingtips, flaps or flap track fairings persist longer due to the tight core of air circulation in them, but have a distinctive spiral shape to them. They are not what are being represented in the teaser.

Contrails are a manifestation of the rapid freezing of water vapor in engine exhaust. To form, they need particulate mater, such as burned fuel, to cling to. They can only be formed by combustion engines.

...So, either supes has rocket boots, ate a Chipotle before flying... or Hollywood doesn't understand the flashy CGI bits.


Can't say that I know what a Kryptonian's internal body temp is, but it's likely to be higher than the temperature in the upper atmosphere and moreso with the friction of air passing over a body at supersonic speeds. Heat + Cold air = Condensation. Additionally:

From Wiki: Contrails (play /ˈkɒntreɪlz/; short for "condensation trails") or vapour trails are long thin artificial clouds that sometimes form behind aircraft. Their formation is most often triggered by the water vapour in the exhaust of aircraft engines, but can also be triggered by the changes in air pressure in wingtip vortices or in the air over the entire wing surface.[1]

Reality is unrealistic.
2012-07-23 01:59:39 AM  
1 votes:
I enjoyed it. It felt moral and inspiring.
2012-07-23 01:29:26 AM  
1 votes:

The All-Powerful Atheismo: bifford:
There's no such thing as a "crappy character".

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There are only crappy writers.

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Well, someone's pissed that the best known atheists are famous for slaughtering millions of their own and not written works by/about them...

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/atheism: the religion of assholes
2012-07-22 06:27:06 PM  
1 votes:

YodaBlues: the original statement about budget problems don't really hold water.


yes it does.
2012-07-22 05:54:04 PM  
1 votes:
They should have Superman just doing his thing helping people, not stopping crimes as much, just helping out, with fires, earthquakes and disasters.
Show the side of him that Ennis showed in his Superman/Hitman crossover, the man who can't save everyone and takes it very personally when he fails.
Keep a villain, have the epic final fight we know is coming but instead of the crime fighting montage they always have in Superman movies have a superhero montage of just saving people, because that's what Superman does.
2012-07-22 01:58:25 PM  
1 votes:

DamnYankees: LegacyDL: I swear Hollywood needs to stop doing Superman origin movies

Unless I'm missing something, this would be the...second one. It's not like they do this every two years.


Yeah, it's been over 30 years since Reeve first donned the cape, but the gist of LegacyDL's post is well-taken. Some lesser superheroes might need their origins told, or even retold. Superman is a universally recognized character, though, like Sherlock Holmes and Mickey Mouse. There's simply no need.
2012-07-22 01:57:48 PM  
1 votes:

DamnYankees: LegacyDL: I swear Hollywood needs to stop doing Superman origin movies

Unless I'm missing something, this would be the...second one. It's not like they do this every two years.


But my point is that basically Superman is a world renown figure in pop culture. We don't need a movie establishing how he left Krypton, came to Earth and became its savior. Anyone can redirect the same sequence of events over and over but they could at least make the movie original in doing so. Superman Returns tried that (and I applaud them for it) but essentially I believe in my humble opinion it's safe to assume that everyone knows about how Superman started out.
2012-07-22 01:31:42 PM  
1 votes:

Erix: DamnYankees: mhd: DamnYankees: Maybe, but there's a reason Superman has always been hard to do on film - his powers are farking absurd and make for very bad storytelling. It's hard to tell stories about what is essentially a god and have any drama.

Erm, Thor?

And Thor was probably the weakest of the Marvel movies, partly for that reason. But at least Thor was equally matched in the film by other gods.

It wasn't terrible, but I think what saved it was the fact that they introduced a whole world beyond earth, so at least it had some novel stuff going on.


I thought Thor was fine on it's own, but the one big issue I had with Avengers was exactly what you state. Other than Thor, all of those super heros and villains are pretty much mortal. Add in Thor and now all of a sudden you're dealing with something else entirely. It just didn't fit right.
2012-07-22 01:30:41 PM  
1 votes:

NeoCortex42: bifford: Pelvic Splanchnic Ganglion: MBK: What a shiatty, shiatty teaser.

It will be a POS anyway. Superman is a crappy character.

There's no such thing as a "crappy character". There are only crappy writers. Batman was not well-respected by the general public before Batman Begins. I'm hoping The Man of Steel can do the same for Superman.

I think the problem with Superman is in having a worthwhile villain. Batman has to out-think and out-plan his opponents. He only has his training and gadgets to rely on. Superman can just punch anybody really hard. He constantly has to be de-powered just to draw the stories out.


Well that's a problem when you live in a world made of cardboard.
2012-07-22 01:28:12 PM  
1 votes:

Erix: DamnYankees: mhd: DamnYankees: Maybe, but there's a reason Superman has always been hard to do on film - his powers are farking absurd and make for very bad storytelling. It's hard to tell stories about what is essentially a god and have any drama.

Erm, Thor?

And Thor was probably the weakest of the Marvel movies, partly for that reason. But at least Thor was equally matched in the film by other gods.

It wasn't terrible, but I think what saved it was the fact that they introduced a whole world beyond earth, so at least it had some novel stuff going on.


And it was knowingly campy and over the top - the way Thor, Odin and Loki was acted tonally fit their level of power. Superman isn't that way. He has to behave with the temperament of a normal person, but be a god. It's incongruous.
2012-07-22 01:25:13 PM  
1 votes:

mhd: DamnYankees: Maybe, but there's a reason Superman has always been hard to do on film - his powers are farking absurd and make for very bad storytelling. It's hard to tell stories about what is essentially a god and have any drama.

Erm, Thor?


Yeah, but to do the Thor movie they had to depower him, as is the usual way of dealing with overpowered superheros. Avengers pitted him against another god and an entire army of alien-robot things. That would probably require more setup than they'd be able to manage in a movie that's already retelling the origin story, like this Superman does.
2012-07-22 01:24:56 PM  
1 votes:

mhd: DamnYankees: Maybe, but there's a reason Superman has always been hard to do on film - his powers are farking absurd and make for very bad storytelling. It's hard to tell stories about what is essentially a god and have any drama.

Erm, Thor?


And Thor was probably the weakest of the Marvel movies, partly for that reason. But at least Thor was equally matched in the film by other gods.
2012-07-22 01:17:34 PM  
1 votes:

captainmaxthedestroyer: That's not Superman.

You can't ground Superman in "reality" like Nolan did with Batman. Superman is an alien, so all of the elements automatically become supernatural. If you take that away from Superman, he's somebody else entirely.


Maybe, but there's a reason Superman has always been hard to do on film - his powers are farking absurd and make for very bad storytelling. It's hard to tell stories about what is essentially a god and have any drama.
2012-07-22 01:02:36 PM  
1 votes:

NeoCortex42: I think the problem with Superman is in having a worthwhile villain. Batman has to out-think and out-plan his opponents. He only has his training and gadgets to rely on. Superman can just punch anybody really hard. He constantly has to be de-powered just to draw the stories out.


That's the point of Superman. His only limits are moral ones that he imposes on himself. His constant struggle is to inspire people without terrifying them, guide them without ruling them. He could kill Lex Luthor any time he wanted to, but that would violate his ideals.
2012-07-22 12:58:09 PM  
1 votes:

NathanAllen: Superman is unable to keep a relationship because plain and simple women with crushed pelvises tend to crawl away as rapidly as possible.


Speaking of which, I wonder if he farks Lois in this one.
2012-07-22 12:41:41 PM  
1 votes:

shoegaze99: One of the Three Musketeers, Zorro, maybe Captain Marvel, The Shadow (overcoat, not a cape, but close enough for kids).


That would be hilarious, since Captain Marvel (the Fawcett Comics guy) was something of a Superman knock-off, enough so that DC sued Fawcett for copyright infringement and settled out of court.
2012-07-22 12:24:23 PM  
1 votes:

Pelvic Splanchnic Ganglion: MBK: What a shiatty, shiatty teaser.

If they turn Superman into a dark, brooding hero...they deserve the POS that movie will be.

It will be a POS anyway. Superman is a crappy character.


Obligatory.............
2012-07-22 12:24:00 PM  
1 votes:
I think next time DC wants to reboot a movie property, like Superman or Batman, they need to end the last film in the series with Superboy just showing up and punching the film stock into oblivion. That would be the greatest post-credits scene ever.
mhd
2012-07-22 12:23:11 PM  
1 votes:
One silly issue: The teaser shows young Clark running around with his cape. Considering that most kids do that to play Superman, who is he imitating?
2012-07-22 11:39:41 AM  
1 votes:

devildog123: could someone who does tell me when Superman became a commercial fisherman?


Well, I don't know about commercial...

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and he should be depowered though I doubt they will. More powerful than a locomotive but not throwing skyscrapers around. Flight up to terminal velocity, barely supersonic with exhaustive effort. Bulletproof with bruising, not grenade-proof.

Strong, tough and flying. That's all you need.

/and mermaids.
2012-07-22 11:24:21 AM  
1 votes:

DrMcNinja: Looks like it's going to be all dark and meeehhhh *waves arms *. That's the problem I had with the other one. Well, besides it being all baby-dady drama angsty.

I always thought they should go retro with it, Sky commander/Fleischer studio style.

Anypoop, it didn't look horrible. I just hope it's not going to be a depressing shiat fest. Oh. And superman needs to beat the crap out of very large robots. Why can't they figure that out?!




Or a giant spider........
2012-07-22 11:19:46 AM  
1 votes:

DamnYankees: No idea if that's gonna be a good movie or not, but its a beautiful trailer.


WROOO . . . um, actually, that's about right.
2012-07-22 11:18:09 AM  
1 votes:

Pelvic Splanchnic Ganglion: MBK: What a shiatty, shiatty teaser.

If they turn Superman into a dark, brooding hero...they deserve the POS that movie will be.

It will be a POS anyway. Superman is a crappy character.


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2012-07-22 11:15:46 AM  
1 votes:

MBK: What a shiatty, shiatty teaser.



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2012-07-22 10:32:17 AM  
1 votes:

Free Radical: Had the same sentiment for Watchmen.


Watchmen was good, Sucker Punch on the other hand..
2012-07-22 10:03:43 AM  
1 votes:

skinink: I saw a Superman trailer in the theater, and I wondered, "Superman leaves two contrails when he flies?" It was weird.
And I'm just tired of re-booted origin stories already. We just had a Superman movie not too long ago, and Spiderman's recent reboot wasn't even that good. I wish the studios would do the same thing they did with Ed Norton's version of "The Incredible Hulk" reboot and spend as little time as possible on where he came from, and just get on the story.


Any future Superman reboot should have, at most, an opening montage like Watchmen. Devoting the entire first act or more to Superman's origin is pointless. Everybody knows the story at this point.

Has there been any leaks about possible villains?
2012-07-22 09:56:15 AM  
1 votes:
No idea if that's gonna be a good movie or not, but its a beautiful trailer.
2012-07-22 09:50:10 AM  
1 votes:

Pelvic Splanchnic Ganglion: MBK: What a shiatty, shiatty teaser.

If they turn Superman into a dark, brooding hero...they deserve the POS that movie will be.

It will be a POS anyway. Superman is a crappy character.


Which is why you focus on the villain, not Superman. A Darkseid movie wouldn't sell well because he's not a familiar character, but slap 'Superman' on the title and make the movie about Darkseid...

Unfortunately I doubt Snyder has done anything as fun as that. Hopefully not another lame Lex Luthor movie, though.
 
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