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2012-07-22 06:27:06 PM

YodaBlues: the original statement about budget problems don't really hold water.


yes it does.
 
2012-07-22 06:36:00 PM
Is it too late for a Red Son reboot?
 
2012-07-22 06:44:11 PM

Lou Cypher: No. Superman isn't dark and somber, he's mostly light and cartoonish. The first two Christopher Reeve movies got the tone correct, he's not Batman with godlike powers.


What Superman was in the comic books wasn't all that interesting. In fact, he may have been the most boring hero of all of them.

That being said, there's a whole ton of Nietzsche-esque issues that one could explore with the Superman character that just has never been fleshed out. I really would like to see a movie with no villain at all. But rather explore society's realistic reactions to Superman.
 
2012-07-22 07:08:59 PM

imgod2u: I really would like to see a movie with no villain at all. But rather explore society's realistic reactions to Superman.


Superman would be seen as a threat to every power institution on Earth because no human rules could apply to him. People in power like to call the shots, and having somebody around that they could not control or make laws for would be very unsettling to them no matter how harmless he is. Paranoia is a very common trait among the upper echelons of most hierarchies.

They would probably ask him to leave the planet.
 
2012-07-22 07:10:09 PM

imgod2u: Lou Cypher: No. Superman isn't dark and somber, he's mostly light and cartoonish. The first two Christopher Reeve movies got the tone correct, he's not Batman with godlike powers.

What Superman was in the comic books wasn't all that interesting. In fact, he may have been the most boring hero of all of them.

That being said, there's a whole ton of Nietzsche-esque issues that one could explore with the Superman character that just has never been fleshed out. I really would like to see a movie with no villain at all. But rather explore society's realistic reactions to Superman.


media.tumblr.com

No matter how much he'd try to stop it, there would be a cult of Superman.
 
2012-07-22 07:18:50 PM

Ishkur: YodaBlues: the original statement about budget problems don't really hold water.

yes it does.


...dude, seriously? you're arguing over quest for peace? Ok, here's the dilly dipstick: dude comments they wanted to do Bizarro, but didn't because budget problems prevented them from doing Bizarro, yet that isn't the case, since they filmed the scenes (or a character obviously based on Bizarro if you will) and cut them. I never implied they didn't have budget problems, only that those problems had nothing to do with why Bizarro wasn't in Quest for Peace. Holy crap, your thick. And you just made me argue over Superman IV: The Quest for Peace, which makes Superman III look like House Party 2.

/I may have confused pop culture references in there...
 
2012-07-22 07:26:47 PM

Ishkur: imgod2u: I really would like to see a movie with no villain at all. But rather explore society's realistic reactions to Superman.

Superman would be seen as a threat to every power institution on Earth because no human rules could apply to him. People in power like to call the shots, and having somebody around that they could not control or make laws for would be very unsettling to them no matter how harmless he is. Paranoia is a very common trait among the upper echelons of most hierarchies.

They would probably ask him to leave the planet.


Superman IV had the kernel of a good movie within it. Of course, the Watchmen adaptation pretty much did it.
 
2012-07-22 07:32:30 PM

YodaBlues: dude comments they wanted to do Bizarro, but didn't because budget problems prevented them from doing Bizarro


Oh, I see your confusion. No, I didn't say that budget problems prevented them from doing Bizarro. I said an early proposal was Bizarro, and then the suits, and script changes, and also budget problems, yadda yadda..... all separate issues. The film was a clusterfark. Nothing worked. Reeve disowned it.

So you misunderstood. That's okay. It happens. Just don't be a douche about it.
 
2012-07-22 07:38:35 PM

Ishkur: YodaBlues: dude comments they wanted to do Bizarro, but didn't because budget problems prevented them from doing Bizarro

Oh, I see your confusion. No, I didn't say that budget problems prevented them from doing Bizarro. I said an early proposal was Bizarro, and then the suits, and script changes, and also budget problems, yadda yadda..... all separate issues. The film was a clusterfark. Nothing worked. Reeve disowned it.

So you misunderstood. That's okay. It happens. Just don't be a douche about it.


...No, no this fark. We aren't allowed to leave this amicably. I demand you insult me or punch my cat or something...that's how these things go dammit!

/may have spent too much time on the politics tab.
 
2012-07-22 07:48:18 PM

YodaBlues: ...No, no this fark. We aren't allowed to leave this amicably. I demand you insult me or punch my cat or something...that's how these things go dammit!


Oh...well, in that case:

fark YOU FOR FORCING ME TO DEFEND SUPERMAN IV, you leftist socialist treebagging secret muslim freeper derper NAZI jew rightwing communist psycho tyrant progressive objectivist moonbat sheeple!!!
 
2012-07-22 07:54:04 PM

fusillade762: I've lost count of the number of trailers that used the music from "Aliens".


You know it's Oscarbait if the trailer features the end credits music from either The Shawshank Redemption or Cast Away.
 
2012-07-22 08:02:13 PM

1. Put snakes on plane: Wings can create contrails, but you got me on how this is supposed to work. Maybe there is a factual explanation for it, but it doesn't look right, does it?


No they don't. Wings can create visible vortices or low pressure vapor. Both of which immediately dissipate once the pressure differentials that formed them diffuse. That's what makes the trans-sonic shock cone visible, and why it vanishes so quickly. Votices, like those that come from wingtips, flaps or flap track fairings persist longer due to the tight core of air circulation in them, but have a distinctive spiral shape to them. They are not what are being represented in the teaser.

Contrails are a manifestation of the rapid freezing of water vapor in engine exhaust. To form, they need particulate mater, such as burned fuel, to cling to. They can only be formed by combustion engines.

...So, either supes has rocket boots, ate a Chipotle before flying... or Hollywood doesn't understand the flashy CGI bits.
 
2012-07-22 08:05:37 PM

Click Click D'oh: 1. Put snakes on plane: Wings can create contrails, but you got me on how this is supposed to work. Maybe there is a factual explanation for it, but it doesn't look right, does it?

No they don't. Wings can create visible vortices or low pressure vapor. Both of which immediately dissipate once the pressure differentials that formed them diffuse. That's what makes the trans-sonic shock cone visible, and why it vanishes so quickly. Votices, like those that come from wingtips, flaps or flap track fairings persist longer due to the tight core of air circulation in them, but have a distinctive spiral shape to them. They are not what are being represented in the teaser.

Contrails are a manifestation of the rapid freezing of water vapor in engine exhaust. To form, they need particulate mater, such as burned fuel, to cling to. They can only be formed by combustion engines.

...So, either supes has rocket boots, ate a Chipotle before flying... or Hollywood doesn't understand the flashy CGI bits.


Sure, but put this together with the understanding that we don't know what enables Superman to fly, and you can begin to speculate about various remarkable features of the Superman anus and why he wears his underwear on top of his clothes.
 
2012-07-22 08:07:45 PM

Ishkur: imgod2u: I really would like to see a movie with no villain at all. But rather explore society's realistic reactions to Superman.

Superman would be seen as a threat to every power institution on Earth because no human rules could apply to him. People in power like to call the shots, and having somebody around that they could not control or make laws for would be very unsettling to them no matter how harmless he is. Paranoia is a very common trait among the upper echelons of most hierarchies.

They would probably ask him to leave the planet.


I'd like a movie that was like X-Men but where humans aren't really a threat. Instead of grieving with Superman -- since he's invincible -- we see him attempt to help humanity, only to be scorned and ultimately exiled. Very biblical.
 
2012-07-22 08:24:04 PM
Dear Hollywood, we have it boarded for you, sub in any villain that's a flying brick, and FILM THIS

A Superman/Shazam movie has the potential to be the greatest super hero movie EVER.

/Wish Bruce Timm and Paul Dini could do REAL movies.
 
2012-07-22 08:29:28 PM

Funbags: Is it too late for a Red Son reboot?


Or True Brit. "Why couldnt you be a bicycle repair man!?"
 
2012-07-22 08:35:33 PM

Pslightly Psycho: Dear Hollywood, we have it boarded for you, sub in any villain that's a flying brick, and FILM THIS

A Superman/Shazam movie has the potential to be the greatest super hero movie EVER.

/Wish Bruce Timm and Paul Dini could do REAL movies.


:( Mask of the Phantasm was a box office bomb, despite being a great Batman movie. Still, audiences could go for this...
 
2012-07-22 08:42:09 PM

RoyBatty: Click Click D'oh: 1. Put snakes on plane: Wings can create contrails, but you got me on how this is supposed to work. Maybe there is a factual explanation for it, but it doesn't look right, does it?

No they don't. Wings can create visible vortices or low pressure vapor. Both of which immediately dissipate once the pressure differentials that formed them diffuse. That's what makes the trans-sonic shock cone visible, and why it vanishes so quickly. Votices, like those that come from wingtips, flaps or flap track fairings persist longer due to the tight core of air circulation in them, but have a distinctive spiral shape to them. They are not what are being represented in the teaser.

Contrails are a manifestation of the rapid freezing of water vapor in engine exhaust. To form, they need particulate mater, such as burned fuel, to cling to. They can only be formed by combustion engines.

...So, either supes has rocket boots, ate a Chipotle before flying... or Hollywood doesn't understand the flashy CGI bits.

Sure, but put this together with the understanding that we don't know what enables Superman to fly, and you can begin to speculate about various remarkable features of the Superman anus and why he wears his underwear on top of his clothes.


So...Superman may be an airbender?
 
2012-07-22 08:49:05 PM

Dalek Caan's doomed mistress: Pelvic Splanchnic Ganglion: MBK: What a shiatty, shiatty teaser.

If they turn Superman into a dark, brooding hero...they deserve the POS that movie will be.

It will be a POS anyway. Superman is a crappy character.

Which is why you focus on the villain, not Superman. A Darkseid movie wouldn't sell well because he's not a familiar character, but slap 'Superman' on the title and make the movie about Darkseid...

Unfortunately I doubt Snyder has done anything as fun as that. Hopefully not another lame Lex Luthor movie, though.


I agree 100% whole heartedly. I've been wanting them to do a Darkseid movie forever. He's the perfect adversary. Enough f*cking real estate plans. Give him a god to battle. And Darkseid done right with today's CGI would be chilling.
 
2012-07-22 09:07:38 PM

Ishkur: YodaBlues: ...No, no this fark. We aren't allowed to leave this amicably. I demand you insult me or punch my cat or something...that's how these things go dammit!

Oh...well, in that case:

fark YOU FOR FORCING ME TO DEFEND SUPERMAN IV, you leftist socialist treebagging secret muslim freeper derper NAZI jew rightwing communist psycho tyrant progressive objectivist moonbat sheeple!!!


You forgot Vegan Carnivore Green Nuclear Oil Wind Power lover
 
2012-07-22 09:16:45 PM
Hank Henshaw would be a decent villain if they included his FF-gone-wrong inspired origin. All his astronaut crew gaining horrible powers that kill them and he blames it all on the alien who interfered. And now he's suicidal, and can't die.

Lobo would be interesting. Some Comedy, lots of action potential.

Ultraman or Bizarro could be terrifying if done well. I don't mean something as far gone as the violence in Miracleman, but imagine Superman in a panic trying to get the bull out of the china shop, so to speak.

Kalibak could lead to Apokolips.

The very best way to make a superman movie is to root him firmly in the DC Universe. Other heroes exist in metropolis, and his example shows everyone the way for the modern age.
 
2012-07-22 09:24:51 PM
Props for the music, which is from The Fellowship of the Ring.

/Give them a moment, for pity's sake....
 
2012-07-22 09:28:10 PM
I thought it was awesome.

/gave me goosebumps
 
2012-07-22 09:49:38 PM

Lost Thought 00: MBK: What a shiatty, shiatty teaser.

If they turn Superman into a dark, brooding hero...they deserve the POS that movie will be.

I too much prefer the "blast my way out of a volcano with my laser vision, even though the lava couldn't hurt me anyways" version of superman.


This. Superman is the polar opposite of Batman; try to make him dark and brooding and...you basically FUBARed the whole movie.
 
2012-07-22 09:54:42 PM

Ishkur: imgod2u: I really would like to see a movie with no villain at all. But rather explore society's realistic reactions to Superman.

Superman would be seen as a threat to every power institution on Earth because no human rules could apply to him. People in power like to call the shots, and having somebody around that they could not control or make laws for would be very unsettling to them no matter how harmless he is. Paranoia is a very common trait among the upper echelons of most hierarchies.

They would probably ask him to leave the planet.


The first problem any Superman movie would have that tried to include a realistic reaction to him is that he's an alien that looks 100% human. Even if he had no special powers that by itself would raise a whole host of scientific and religous issues that no movie yet has ever really touched. Instead there's been a blind cartoonish acceptance of him.

Governments of the world would look to sway him to their side, while at the same time trying to find a way to neutralize him or replicate his powers. No matter how benign Superman appears to be he would always be a potential threat. In the end world powers, including his adoptive country, would probably rather see him dead.
 
2012-07-22 11:13:04 PM
Here's what was shown at Comicon.

Link
 
2012-07-23 12:00:45 AM

Ishkur: YodaBlues: GRUNTS HIS DISAPPROVAL.

Fun fact: Nuclear Man was supposed to be Bizzaro. But then the suits got in the way, and there were budget problems.....


Actually, if you go on YouTube, there is footage cut from Superman IV showing a fight between Supes and a really shiatty clone of Kal-El (it wasn't called Bizzaro, nor was it dressed like the character). You can see that it was cut because it was just plain terrible.
 
2012-07-23 12:31:27 AM
Just tell me there's a Thanagarian Snare Beast somewhere in the film.
 
2012-07-23 12:33:55 AM

rocky_howard: Superman will have to chose being a Kryptonian God or being one of us. And these two teasers are foreshadowing that moral conflict.


This isn't going to be Ang Lee's The Hulk? Is it?
 
2012-07-23 12:37:58 AM

GreenAdder: Just tell me there's a Thanagarian Snare Beast somewhere in the film.


I own Watchmen and 300 on DVD, but i will go buy every Zach Snyder movie on Blu-ray if at some point in this Supes fights a giant spider, even if just for a second.
 
2012-07-23 12:41:53 AM

1. Put snakes on plane: Free Radical: /Ummm how the hell does Supes have contrails?

Wings can create contrails, but you got me on how this is supposed to work. Maybe there is a factual explanation for it, but it doesn't look right, does it?


No need to over-think this. Just enjoy it, as it looks cool as shiat.
 
2012-07-23 12:59:11 AM

Cyno01: GreenAdder: Just tell me there's a Thanagarian Snare Beast somewhere in the film.

I own Watchmen and 300 on DVD, but i will go buy every Zach Snyder movie on Blu-ray if at some point in this Supes fights a giant spider, even if just for a second.


And polar bears. Brainiac has to rassle some polar bears.
 
2012-07-23 01:29:26 AM

The All-Powerful Atheismo: bifford:
There's no such thing as a "crappy character".

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There are only crappy writers.

[usjf.net image 373x380]


Well, someone's pissed that the best known atheists are famous for slaughtering millions of their own and not written works by/about them...

cdn.counter-currents.comcdn5.ministryoftofu.com

/atheism: the religion of assholes
 
2012-07-23 01:42:04 AM
Looks like it might be pretty good to me. I just hope they don't spend 90 minutes on the Kent farm though.

I figure they hope to make this another trilogy-type thing, so I can see them wanting to start with Clark Kent's origins though. There are a lot of different Clark Kents (Smallville, Christopher Reeve, Dean Cain) and they all way different from each other, so they'll have to set a tone for this guy.

I am optimistic though, I like Superman.
 
2012-07-23 01:59:39 AM
I enjoyed it. It felt moral and inspiring.
 
2012-07-23 03:59:27 AM

Click Click D'oh: 1. Put snakes on plane: Wings can create contrails, but you got me on how this is supposed to work. Maybe there is a factual explanation for it, but it doesn't look right, does it?

No they don't. Wings can create visible vortices or low pressure vapor. Both of which immediately dissipate once the pressure differentials that formed them diffuse. That's what makes the trans-sonic shock cone visible, and why it vanishes so quickly. Votices, like those that come from wingtips, flaps or flap track fairings persist longer due to the tight core of air circulation in them, but have a distinctive spiral shape to them. They are not what are being represented in the teaser.

Contrails are a manifestation of the rapid freezing of water vapor in engine exhaust. To form, they need particulate mater, such as burned fuel, to cling to. They can only be formed by combustion engines.

...So, either supes has rocket boots, ate a Chipotle before flying... or Hollywood doesn't understand the flashy CGI bits.


Can't say that I know what a Kryptonian's internal body temp is, but it's likely to be higher than the temperature in the upper atmosphere and moreso with the friction of air passing over a body at supersonic speeds. Heat + Cold air = Condensation. Additionally:

From Wiki: Contrails (play /ˈkɒntreɪlz/; short for "condensation trails") or vapour trails are long thin artificial clouds that sometimes form behind aircraft. Their formation is most often triggered by the water vapour in the exhaust of aircraft engines, but can also be triggered by the changes in air pressure in wingtip vortices or in the air over the entire wing surface.[1]

Reality is unrealistic.
 
2012-07-23 05:34:06 AM

Lou Cypher: No. Superman isn't dark and somber, he's mostly light and cartoonish. The first two Christopher Reeve movies got the tone correct, he's not Batman with godlike powers.


I remember Batman fans complaining about the first Tim Burton movie for the same reason. "Batman is supposed to be fun!"
 
2012-07-23 09:13:26 AM

Owangotang: I desperately, desperately want this movie to be good.


^ THIS x 10001000 ^

I like Superman SO much more than Batman. I revert into an 11 year old kid when it comes to anything Supes.
 
2012-07-23 09:23:22 AM

Confabulat: Lou Cypher: No. Superman isn't dark and somber, he's mostly light and cartoonish. The first two Christopher Reeve movies got the tone correct, he's not Batman with godlike powers.

I remember Batman fans complaining about the first Tim Burton movie for the same reason. "Batman is supposed to be fun!"


You sound old.
 
2012-07-23 09:30:16 AM

eldritch2k4:
From Wiki: Contrails (play /ˈkɒntreɪlz/; short for "condensation trails") or vapour trails are long thin artificial clouds that sometimes form behind aircraft. Their formation is most often triggered by the water vapour in the exhaust of aircraft engines, but can also be triggered by the changes in air pressure in wingtip vortices or in the air over the entire wing surface.[1]


Wikipedia confusing two completely different phenomenon does not make them the same thing. Visible vortices and exhaust contrails are caused by completely different factors and don't resemble each other in appearance. Vortices are short duration phenomenon caused by air pressure differentials while exhaust contrails are caused by crystallized ice formed from water vapor freezing to particulate mater from combustion.

These are vortices: Clicky the Linky

Note the ones on the wingtip as well as the outboard flaps. Note mainly the semi-transparent nature, the curly shape and the distinctive ring structure that indicates air rotation in the vortex.

Note also in the picture the overwing vapor cloud, which Wikipedia also claims to be a contrail, but is formed by the same principle as visible vortices

These are exhaust contrails: Clicky the Linky

Notice the fluffy, non-tubular, non-structured appearance. Also note that the propagate in straight lines from the point of origin and don't twist like votices do.


Two completely separate phenomenon with two completely separate causes and structures. If Wiki is too stupid to think they are related, well, it's WIki... Over wing vapor dissipates immediately after the wing. They are non-persistent. Visible vortices dissipate immediately upon the vortex core deteriorating. Very rapidly. Exhaust contrails can persist for hundreds of miles.

The cone that appears around Supes is an accurate representation of a trans-sonic shock cone, though it's debatable if Supes has the aerodynamic structures to generate one or why he would be maintaining trans-sonic speeds... And the contrails are also an accurate depiction of exhaust contrails... except for the key problem, no exhaust for them to form in.
 
2012-07-23 10:44:39 AM

Click Click D'oh: Vortices are short duration phenomenon caused by air pressure differentials while exhaust contrails are caused by crystallized ice formed from water vapor freezing to particulate mater from combustion.


upload.wikimedia.org

"Me in particular whut?"
 
2012-07-23 10:51:00 AM

peterthx: The All-Powerful Atheismo: bifford:
There's no such thing as a "crappy character".

[i0.kym-cdn.com image 363x391]

There are only crappy writers.

[usjf.net image 373x380]

Well, someone's pissed that the best known atheists are famous for slaughtering millions of their own and not written works by/about them...

[cdn.counter-currents.com image 335x328][cdn5.ministryoftofu.com image 316x400]

/atheism: the religion of assholes


1/10. Way too obvious, wrong thread. Ten yard penalty, repeat first down.
 
2012-07-23 11:34:24 AM

Click Click D'oh: Two completely separate phenomenon with two completely separate causes and structures. If Wiki is too stupid to think they are related, well, it's WIki... Over wing vapor dissipates immediately after the wing. They are non-persistent. Visible vortices dissipate immediately upon the vortex core deteriorating. Very rapidly. Exhaust contrails can persist for hundreds of miles.

The cone that appears around Supes is an accurate representation of a trans-sonic shock cone, though it's debatable if Supes has the aerodynamic structures to generate one or why he would be maintaining trans-sonic speeds... And the contrails are also an accurate depiction of exhaust contrails... except for the key problem, no exhaust for them to form in.


Maybe Supes's repiratory rate when he flies is fast enough that he leaves a continuous stream of moisture from his breath. Of course if that is the case they should find a way to work a Camelback into his supersuit so he stays hydrated. And then they'd have to ignore that when he exits the atmosphere where he doesn't even have to breathe.
 
2012-07-23 11:42:25 AM

skinink: I saw a Superman trailer in the theater, and I wondered, "Superman leaves two contrails when he flies?" It was weird.
And I'm just tired of re-booted origin stories already. We just had a Superman movie not too long ago, and Spiderman's recent reboot wasn't even that good. I wish the studios would do the same thing they did with Ed Norton's version of "The Incredible Hulk" reboot and spend as little time as possible on where he came from, and just get on the story.


A movie that is the big debut of a superhero pretty much needs to be an origin story because it's their first and the audience needs to get to know these obscure characters (nobody knew who Iron Man was other than comic nerds).

Things get more iffy when it's an A-lister like Batman. Batman Begin's was really Batman's first proper origin movie, so that's OK, especially since the sequels build on it. Spider-Man has two origin movies now. Superman is about to get his second, and I agree it's pointless since everyone really does know it.
 
2012-07-23 12:32:08 PM

sexy-fetus: Why is superman hitch hiking?


Dunno... For the same reason God needs a starship, maybe?
 
2012-07-23 03:22:13 PM

edip1976: sexy-fetus: Why is superman hitch hiking?

Dunno... For the same reason God needs a starship, maybe?


Double-dumbass on you!
 
2012-07-23 04:11:39 PM

EZ1923: edip1976: sexy-fetus: Why is superman hitch hiking?

Dunno... For the same reason God needs a starship, maybe?

Double-dumbass on you!


Too much LDS?
 
2012-07-23 04:15:49 PM
Still doesn't fold as fast as this guy:

0.tqn.com
 
2012-07-23 04:23:07 PM
I feel like most of the anti-Superman opinions out there are mostly regurgitations from a small number of stand-up comedians ("How does he shave?!" "What, did half of Krypton fall on the Earth?!") and bloggers. The "He's boring!" and "He's a Boy Scout!" ones get me the most. There've been continuous stories about Superman since the 30s. Granted, not all were great, but there you go. It shows a lack of imagination to assume that because a character is powerful, he can't be challenged in interesting and compelling ways. Check out any of the recent animated stuff that features Superman for examples.

There's 3 ways to challenge Superman:

1) Depower him. This is what the movies do (Kryptonite), and everyone mostly knows Superman from the movies, so there you go.
2) Overpower him. The DC universe has gazillions of threats capable of simply beating the crap out of Superman. Zod, Brainiac, Darkseid, Bizarro, Doomsday, etc.
3) Make his power irrelevant. There's tons of ways to challenge Superman in ways that make his powers irrelevant. Mass invasions, anti-alien propaganda, politics (see: Lex Luthor for President), etc. Superman can't punch public opinion and can't take on the entire US Army without breaking his code.

Just because whatever comedian/blogger you're watching/reading can't come up with a way to make Superman interesting, that doesn't mean NO ONE can. These trailers (and the SDCC footage) make it seem that Snyder and his team are going the right way, making the story about Superman's code and decisions about what to do with his power. People forget that even with his powers, Superman's emotionally human in there, and thus, vulnerable.
 
2012-07-23 04:34:51 PM

ExcedrinHeadache: There's 3 ways to challenge Superman:


4) Make the next Superman movie a rom-com, where the enemy he has to defeat is his own awkwardness with women.
 
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