Nice to see an article at least mention this obvious point -

"When they talked about heroin they said, 'Don't do it' in the same way they said, 'Don't do pot - it's bad,' " Schmitz said teens and young adults told researchers.


Been saying it for years, if you tell people all drugs are bad, then they try pot (or something else mostly harmless), suddenly all the actual useful warnings you gave about heroin and cocaine go out the window too. It's like crying wolf.

SevenizGud: FTFA:
The drug addict is your own kid

Uhm, no. There are no abject losers in my family.

I have a plan that will drastically cut down on both drug use and crime. Publish an ad that talks of a new opiate substitute sponsored by the government. Show up and score some hits of quality h-ness. Everyone who shows up gets shot.

I'm tired of us throwing away our time and effort on scum. There are plenty of people out there who are not cancers on society who could use some help.

Spoken like a true scumbag. Enjoy your myopia and paranoid fantasy world.

well they have to do SOMETHING with all the extra heroin that has been flooding the market since the US 'liberated' the Afghani poppy fields from the Taliban!

Not to mention shooting is about 10x as efficient as snorting. It just makes sense.

Addiction is a medical issue, the idiots who make this a criminal one are the ones profiting from full prisons and 'drug treatment' programs.

Its bullshiat.

KimNorth: "Jack Riley, special agent in charge of the Chicago office of the DEA, said heroin-pushing Mexican cartels are strongly tied to Chicago street gangs."

There is a huge illegal population in Naperville and the kids of Mexican cartel members and the kid brothers of gang members attend the schools where they push this by giving free blunts laced with it then when the kids come back for more as they are hooked they got-em. This is at least what is happening in California.

I can guarantee you they arent giving away blunts laced with h. H is very expensive. The kids probably have a friend that tried h and had fun, so now they want to try it too. Since most kids suck at long term thinking they do it a few times and then they are hooked. The whole drug dealers lacing weed with other drugs and try it onceand you're hooked for life memes are simply drug war paranoia/propoganda.

"While some are introduced to heroin as a way to come off their cocaine or crack high, or through other drugs, the user base is increasingly young adults, like Patrianakos, who come to heroin after developing a dependency on prescription pain-killers such as Vicodin and OxyContin. "

Sad how the feds have no issues with Doctors prescribing opiates for pain management but get all Gestapo should they do the same with cannabis.

Opiates - can help manage pain, requires extensive processing, creates physical dependency, risk of overdose death, legal.

Cannabis - can help manage pain, requires no processing, creates no physical dependency, no risk of overdose death, illegal.

Makes sense, in a fark kind of way I guess.

"Jack Riley, special agent in charge of the Chicago office of the DEA, said heroin-pushing Mexican cartels are strongly tied to Chicago street gangs."

There is a huge illegal population in Naperville and the kids of Mexican cartel members and the kid brothers of gang members attend the schools where they push this by giving free blunts laced with it then when the kids come back for more as they are hooked they got-em. This is at least what is happening in California.

A lot of addicts probably would rather not live their lives chasing drugs to stay outta withdrawals. Unfortunately rehab is uber expensive. We need to follow Portugals example and decriminalize all drugs and focus spending on rehab and education as opposed to imprisonment, interdiction and eradication.

One Bad Apple: "They call it an epidemic now. That means white folks are doing it.

Y'all remember? Y'all used to drive through our neighborhoods and shiat and go, "Oh, look at that. Isn't that terrible. Then you'd get home, right, and your 14-year-old'd be farked up, and you'd go, "OH MY GOD! IT'S AN EPIDEMIC!"

Maybe next time you see black people in trouble, you'll help"

This. War on Drugs is racist (obvious tag)

Heroin use among suburban youth was old news back in the late 90's when rich kids started dying of over-doses in Plano.


Also FTA:
Jack Riley, special agent in charge of the Chicago office of the DEA, said heroin-pushing Mexican cartels are strongly tied to Chicago street gangs.

Today's heroin is a different product than 30 years ago, he said.



Uh huh. Now where have we heard all that before?

This is where the government's prior use of drug propaganda is going to come back and blast them right in the ass.
The above quoted statement could be 100 percent true. I don't know heroin, and I'm certainly not condoning its use or saying it's not dangerous. But because that was the same thing they said about pot and that was %110 bullsh(!)t, I'm inclined not to believe the statement on face value based on past misrepresentations. And as these kids grow up and experiment with alcohol, tobacco, and MJ, they too will see that these people were full of shiat and lied to them. In turn that may discount the warning to the point where others aren't dissuaded from trying heroin too.

More powerful, user-friendly heroin

Isn't that just oxycodone?

Riche: Something I just don't see discussed, and I'm curious about:

Any farkers willing to share what it feels like on a good heroin high? If so many are killing themselves over it then the experience must be pretty damn awesome.

I don't plan on trying heroin because I might be one of those who likes it too much, and I have too much to live for to fark it all up now.

But if your life totally sucks and probably is not going to get better, then why NOT take some substance that brings you MASSIVE amounts of pleasure for some number of months or years until an early death comes? Living a few years in something like constant orgasm seems to me a lot better than decades of pain, misery, lonliness and poverty.

Same thing if you had terminal cancer or some other hopeless medical situation. Why not go out feeling awesome?

I understand a few countries provide rooms for those who seem determined to drink/drug themselves to death so they can at least be off the streets and not bothering others. Maybe that's not a bad idea.

It beats any meat injection. That beats any farking cock in the world.

/so I've heard

remember the real *PROBLEM* is the addiction to violence and being mean.
this is what we talk about when we refer to ALCOHOLISM OR DRUG ADDICTION

nice people aren't labeled drug addicts.
even if they do take a substance on a regular basis. like oxycontin

snocone: nmemkha: Look, I can go into any pharmacy in America and buy enough Tylenol to kill myself several times over. Americans routinely become addicted to cigarettes, caffeine, alcohol, etc. and things are all freely available and relatively cheap.

How would that be any different than selling me a big bottle of Oxycontin?

PROFIT.
Controling the supply of opiates is an ancient cash flow.
Right there w/ prostitution and banking.
And the cash must flow.

what about the spice?

Its not a war on drugs, its a war on people.

How many times do you have to be told this before you all get it?

The War on Drugs has failed in almost every way. They got it though, a total war against drugs and anyone involved with them. You can't even get treated for drug addiction without having to jump through hoops set up during the War on Drugs. Methadone therapy? Drive 50 miles every single day to get your daily dose, pay them $100, wait in line for four hours. Be terrified when the clinic is shut down randomly for 'inspection' on some days, causing you to miss a dose and start feeling rotten. Get into real actual therapy where you can take your monthly allotment home, get told by the docs that you've reached the maximum they can prescribe and you're cut off with two days left of supply and that you're just going to have to tough out the three months of withdrawals without the benefit of tapering. Also you get to pay about $5k+ for everything. Now seek out illegal drugs just to keep the withdrawals from being too hard to bear, and eventually say fark it because you know you can get heroin mostly hassle free for cheap and hey you can just treat your addiction with heroin.

None of this happened to me, but it happened to people I knew. They're mostly still on drugs, the ones that are still alive that is. The War on Drugs isn't a war against drugs at all, it is a war against people. They don't simply take your drugs and let you go, they take your drugs, throw you in jail, take your belongings, kill your dog, kidnap your kid, shiat on your chest, and then make it to where you can never get a decent job ever again. This is if you get caught with a joint.

nmemkha: offmymeds: nmemkha: Look, I can go into any pharmacy in America and buy enough Tylenol to kill myself several times over. Americans routinely become addicted to cigarettes, caffeine, alcohol, etc. and things are all freely available and relatively cheap.

How would that be any different than selling me a big bottle of Oxycontin?

Cigarettes, caffeine and alcohol aren't controlled substances. Oxycontin is.

Does circular reasoning make you dizzy?

So you're saying Oxycontin should be available as an over-the-counter product, available to anyone? How long have you suffered from brain damage?

SevenizGud: ChubbyTiger: See where Oxy is being done now, see where heroin will be in a few years. One really is the gateway to the other.

And 100% of those who did Oxy, previously had eaten carrots. Stop carrots - the mother of all gateay drugs.

Cute. The epidemiology is pretty clear. Similar (apparently) high - they are both opiates - and while one is easy to score, it's expensive. Heroin is cheap, though tougher to get. If you're addicted to oxy to the point where you're really spending a ton on it, you need a cheaper high. Hence the move to heroin.

/carrots only lead to quaaludes

GIS krokodil

Haven't they been saying this for years?

What I didn't know that I learned from the article was that apparently, dope didn't used to come in powder form back in the day. They said that it means you don't have to use a needle anymore...but did you ever? Black tar could just as easily have been free-based. You couldn't snort it, but you certainly could smoke it. And it being in powder form now only makes shooting easier. No one starts WANTING to use a needle...it's the natural progression of addiction after you've been snorting a bundle or two a day and start getting nose bleeds and clogged sinuses.

Communist_Manifesto: A lot of addicts probably would rather not live their lives chasing drugs to stay outta withdrawals. Unfortunately rehab is uber expensive. We need to follow Portugals example and decriminalize all drugs and focus spending on rehab and education as opposed to imprisonment, interdiction and eradication.

Then the Mexican Cartel that pushes this shiat would just shoot up all these rehabs and behead the rehab doctors like they do in Mexico.

snocone: Communist_Manifesto: A lot of addicts probably would rather not live their lives chasing drugs to stay outta withdrawals. Unfortunately rehab is uber expensive. We need to follow Portugals example and decriminalize all drugs and focus spending on rehab and education as opposed to imprisonment, interdiction and eradication.

Have not crunched the numbers, but what if we were to wean Big Law Enforcement off the Drug War money and channel it to Big Medicine to treat all of our users? Same rich guys get the dough eventually.

We do have all that new health insurance lying around, and if a POUS can name pot as a Schedule I Drug, he could gertainly name use as an illness and mandate treatment.

/naaa, never mind, just build more prisons

I dont care as much about who profits from treatment, I just want to give people a chance to get off that shiat. I have made mistakes in my life (not getting addicted or anything) and I have been given a second chance. Everyone is a fark up in some regard. I just think this is an area where a little common sense and compassion could go a long way to solving the problem.

I always rely on the lame stream media to get the real dope on drugs because they have been so truthful in the past. According to them I should have been dead 40 years ago when I started smoking pot.

FTFA:
The drug addict is your own kid

Uhm, no. There are no abject losers in my family.

I have a plan that will drastically cut down on both drug use and crime. Publish an ad that talks of a new opiate substitute sponsored by the government. Show up and score some hits of quality h-ness. Everyone who shows up gets shot.

I'm tired of us throwing away our time and effort on scum. There are plenty of people out there who are not cancers on society who could use some help.

See where Oxy is being done now, see where heroin will be in a few years. One really is the gateway to the other.

Wow, that article was straight up boilerplate War on Drugs bullshait. Only when it comes to illegal drugs that it is seen as a bad thing that the product is "cleaner," and "purer." Yeah, it would be so much better if it was laced with cyanide or something. Yeesh.

white people problems

Silk Road

Kinda makes my blunt seem rather harmless.