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2012-07-22 12:52:59 PM
Such bloodthirsty death lust in this thread! The Reverend Jackson is saddened by your barbarism.
www.crossroadsfund.org
 
2012-07-22 01:12:07 PM

Giltric: I wonder if one of the persons of interest was an FBI agent......

Link

Where does a college kid get funding for all of the weapons, ammo and explosives, not to mention canisters of CS, and body armor?


Student loans?
 
2012-07-22 01:15:43 PM

Mr. Ekshun: Confabulat: Huh he was in the same bio-medical program and fled his apartment before the attack...

What exactly constitutes "fleeing" one's apartment? I mean, is it really different than "going somewhere else for a while"? Or is there a specific, universally-recognized procedure that I could perform every time I go to the store? Or every time I go on vacation....

Sources also say a picture of Holmes with red hair on an adult website is what Egan looked like when he was arrested.

Arrest ALL the gingers!


I assure you my wife and son were not involved (both gingers). Well, the kid is a bit dodgy but only 4 weeks old and has terrible aim unless he intends to pee on me during changing time. Of that is the case, haul his ass in.
 
2012-07-22 01:17:40 PM

Giltric: I wonder if one of the persons of interest was an FBI agent......

Link

Where does a college kid get funding for all of the weapons, ammo and explosives, not to mention canisters of CS, and body armor?


Just a guess, but possibly credit cards? Get as many as you can and max them out buying all the supplies you'll need knowing that you won't have to worry about paying them off because you'll either be dead or incarcerated for the rest of your life.
 
2012-07-22 01:17:56 PM

Giltric: Where does a college kid get funding for all of the weapons, ammo and explosives, not to mention canisters of CS, and body armor?


Student loans.
 
2012-07-22 01:35:44 PM
Second person of interest?

That black thing slithering up his spine, grabbing onto the back of his skull and whispering oily evil thoughts into his brainpan? That second person?

It's there, baby.
 
2012-07-22 01:36:02 PM

HotIgneous Intruder: HotIgneous Intruder: SB03-25

HotIgneous Intruder: Giltric: Link

Aurora

1. "Dangerous weapon" includes firearm
2. Revocation of license for furnishing a firearm to a minor or someone under the influence.
3. Window displays cannot include firearms with barrels less than 12 inches long.
4. Unlawful to carry concealed "dangerous weapon"
5. Unlawful to discharge firearms, unless by law enforcement on duty or on shooting range.
6. Unlawful to possess firearm while under the influence of intoxicant
7. Unlawful to have loaded firearm in motor vehicle.
8. Unlawful for a juvenile to possess a firearm.


Not sure if the link is BS...but it seems CCW was illegal in a municpality 20 miles from Columbine.

At the top of that link, it says:
In 2003, the state legislature and the governor deemed that the power to address gun violence in Colorado through laws SHALL NOT be in the domain of the affected communities,
rather it should rest only in the hands of the state. By this legislation (SB03-25),
all of the ordinances on this list have been declared unenforceable.

So there's that. But that's as of nine years ago. Things might have changed since then.
Anybody know?

In 2006, the Colorado supremes upheld the local laws.
Link: http://thefiringline.com/forums/showthread.php?t=212646


State still trumps local.

"Despite the changes over the past 13 years, Colorado law still prohibits local governments from restricting gun rights in several significant ways. Moreover, gun rights organizations have successfully fought other efforts to restrict access to guns, including blocking a University of Colorado rule prohibiting concealed weapons on campus."
 
2012-07-22 01:42:03 PM

CraicBaby: HotIgneous Intruder: HotIgneous Intruder: SB03-25

HotIgneous Intruder: Giltric: Link

Aurora

1. "Dangerous weapon" includes firearm
2. Revocation of license for furnishing a firearm to a minor or someone under the influence.
3. Window displays cannot include firearms with barrels less than 12 inches long.
4. Unlawful to carry concealed "dangerous weapon"
5. Unlawful to discharge firearms, unless by law enforcement on duty or on shooting range.
6. Unlawful to possess firearm while under the influence of intoxicant
7. Unlawful to have loaded firearm in motor vehicle.
8. Unlawful for a juvenile to possess a firearm.


Not sure if the link is BS...but it seems CCW was illegal in a municpality 20 miles from Columbine.

At the top of that link, it says:
In 2003, the state legislature and the governor deemed that the power to address gun violence in Colorado through laws SHALL NOT be in the domain of the affected communities,
rather it should rest only in the hands of the state. By this legislation (SB03-25),
all of the ordinances on this list have been declared unenforceable.

So there's that. But that's as of nine years ago. Things might have changed since then.
Anybody know?

In 2006, the Colorado supremes upheld the local laws.
Link: http://thefiringline.com/forums/showthread.php?t=212646

State still trumps local.

"Despite the changes over the past 13 years, Colorado law still prohibits local governments from restricting gun rights in several significant ways. Moreover, gun rights organizations have successfully fought other efforts to restrict access to guns, including blocking a University of Colorado rule prohibiting concealed weapons on campus."


Was there another case that overturned the 2006 ruling by the supreme court of colorado that allowed municipalities to override the state ? The article doesn;t mention anything about it.
 
2012-07-22 01:44:05 PM

Posh Naranek: [1.bp.blogspot.com image 400x255]


A fascinating conspiracy can be generated from this.

The released and later dismissed John Doe #2 from the Oklahoma City bombing just happens to resemble Jose Padilla, the guy arrested in 2002 and held for years as an enemy combatant.

It wouldn't surprise me one bit if Timothy McVeigh had help (and not just Terry Nichols).
 
2012-07-22 01:46:54 PM

CraicBaby: "Despite the changes over the past 13 years, Colorado law still prohibits local governments from restricting gun rights in several significant ways. Moreover, gun rights organizations have successfully fought other efforts to restrict access to guns, including blocking a University of Colorado rule prohibiting concealed weapons on campus."


I always love that the same people who complain about state preemption also happen to endorse federal laws that do that are effectively federal preemption.
 
2012-07-22 02:00:44 PM

Giltric: CraicBaby: HotIgneous Intruder: HotIgneous Intruder: SB03-25

HotIgneous Intruder: Giltric: Link

Aurora

1. "Dangerous weapon" includes firearm
2. Revocation of license for furnishing a firearm to a minor or someone under the influence.
3. Window displays cannot include firearms with barrels less than 12 inches long.
4. Unlawful to carry concealed "dangerous weapon"
5. Unlawful to discharge firearms, unless by law enforcement on duty or on shooting range.
6. Unlawful to possess firearm while under the influence of intoxicant
7. Unlawful to have loaded firearm in motor vehicle.
8. Unlawful for a juvenile to possess a firearm.


Not sure if the link is BS...but it seems CCW was illegal in a municpality 20 miles from Columbine.

At the top of that link, it says:
In 2003, the state legislature and the governor deemed that the power to address gun violence in Colorado through laws SHALL NOT be in the domain of the affected communities,
rather it should rest only in the hands of the state. By this legislation (SB03-25),
all of the ordinances on this list have been declared unenforceable.

So there's that. But that's as of nine years ago. Things might have changed since then.
Anybody know?

In 2006, the Colorado supremes upheld the local laws.
Link: http://thefiringline.com/forums/showthread.php?t=212646

State still trumps local.

"Despite the changes over the past 13 years, Colorado law still prohibits local governments from restricting gun rights in several significant ways. Moreover, gun rights organizations have successfully fought other efforts to restrict access to guns, including blocking a University of Colorado rule prohibiting concealed weapons on campus."

Was there another case that overturned the 2006 ruling by the supreme court of colorado that allowed municipalities to override the state ? The article doesn;t mention anything about it.




This is a great discussion and all, but I'd put money that most packing heat in that theater were not doing so legally either way. They were also most likely to busy shaitting themselves to do anything other than run.


//16-26 year olds packing heat are usually not doing so because they are brave individuals...
 
2012-07-22 02:01:35 PM

pedrop357: Posh Naranek: [1.bp.blogspot.com image 400x255]

A fascinating conspiracy can be generated from this.

The released and later dismissed John Doe #2 from the Oklahoma City bombing just happens to resemble Jose Padilla, the guy arrested in 2002 and held for years as an enemy combatant.

It wouldn't surprise me one bit if Timothy McVeigh had help (and not just Terry Nichols).


Yes and all that talk about someone helping Tim and Terry was labelled conspiracy theory.

Iraqi intel agents, Ryder truck at a military base, some guy or local gang/militia leader who was all set to talk being found bound and hung in his cell.......
 
2012-07-22 02:02:05 PM

SVenus: Harley


CTRL+F Harley Quinn

Leaving satisfied.
 
2012-07-22 02:29:48 PM

Walker: He got in thru the emergency exit by the screen. You can't open those doors from the outside. They only open from the inside. A witness says someone in the theater got a call or text, went out that same emergency exit, and shortly after the gunman came in. He obviously had help. The other guy probably propped the door open with something small. The gunman had planned this for months. Do you think he would leave it to chance that a patron would go out that exit and leave it propped open for him?


police are saying gunman bought a ticket, went in, left through the emergency exit, propped it open, geared up, came back in. no second person needed. could have just been an alarm on his phone to tell him it was time it his phone went off before.
 
2012-07-22 02:29:50 PM

italie: //16-26 year olds packing heat are usually not doing so because they are brave individuals...


blogs.seattleweekly.com
 
2012-07-22 02:34:54 PM

Giltric: Was there another case that overturned the 2006 ruling by the supreme court of colorado that allowed municipalities to override the state ? The article doesn;t mention anything about it.


There was a concealed carry law passed in 2011, so maybe that overturned it,
 
2012-07-22 02:48:27 PM

Callous: way south: doglover: Confabulat: Phoenix_M: If you're in a crowd of people and someone throws a smoke bomb/tear gas towards you a natural reaction is to throw it back.

That would definitely not be my natural reaction. My natural reaction would be to get as far out of the way of whatever it was as soon as possible. What sort of person naturally lobs hand grenades back at the enemy?

People who know the difference between being gassed for a long time or a short time.

Not to troll but:
The reason many suggest as to why potentially CCW carrying moviegoers didn't return fire was because the scene was dark and chaotic.
In this same setting, how do you find a grenade on the ground and how do you see where to throw it?

Simple, It will have a cloud of nasty gas coming out of it. And common sense will tell you that throwing it anywhere but here is better than leaving it here.


Possibly, but lets set up the scene the same way we did for the CCW argument:
The shooters intention was to create a kill zone by making people panicked and confused. Maybe he even intended to use the smoke as cover and moved to where it landed (hence the gasmask?).

dl.dropbox.com

So imagine a cloud like this, but indoors and pitch black with screaming people bumping into you. Your eyes are burning and one of those shadows is the murderer. If you tried to grab that can, assuming you were near it and assuming you could find it (and it didn't roll under the chairs), its likely you'd end up as another victim because that's the direction Holmes is coming from.

I'd wager that if there really was a CCW permit holder in that room, the chances are the crowd would have pushed him down or forced him out. The same would go for anyone trying to play hero. This guy put some thought into the situation he set and turning the tables on him inside the theater would have been near impossible.

/The best a CCW holder could have done was to fall back to a more open and lit area and hope the shooter came his way.
/If he came out he would have risked being shot by a CCW or any cops that happened by.
/Offhand it doesn't sound like that's what Holmes did.
 
2012-07-22 02:58:44 PM
Unlikely a CCW holder would have been able to do jack shiate against a dude in full riot gear...
 
2012-07-22 03:03:56 PM

Ayn Rand's Social Worker: Unlikely a CCW holder would have been able to do jack shiate against a dude in full riot gear...


Exactly. The North Hollywood guys were well-armored as well, and not even the SWAT team could stop stop with their standard arsenal. The cops had to go to gun stores and get some high-powered shiat to stop them. So, a CCW holder with a handgun wouldn't have been able to do shiat.
 
2012-07-22 03:33:47 PM
Look at that kids face. He doesn't have an agenda. He's not making a statement. He's just insane.

farkin' trippy.
 
2012-07-22 03:46:34 PM

Giltric: pedrop357: Posh Naranek: [1.bp.blogspot.com image 400x255]

A fascinating conspiracy can be generated from this.

The released and later dismissed John Doe #2 from the Oklahoma City bombing just happens to resemble Jose Padilla, the guy arrested in 2002 and held for years as an enemy combatant.

It wouldn't surprise me one bit if Timothy McVeigh had help (and not just Terry Nichols).

Yes and all that talk about someone helping Tim and Terry was labelled conspiracy theory.

Iraqi intel agents, Ryder truck at a military base, some guy or local gang/militia leader who was all set to talk being found bound and hung in his cell.......


My first thought, but wherever you want to go with it. This guy's everywhere:
rollingout.com
 
2012-07-22 03:49:21 PM

CraicBaby: Ayn Rand's Social Worker: Unlikely a CCW holder would have been able to do jack shiate against a dude in full riot gear...

Exactly. The North Hollywood guys were well-armored as well, and not even the SWAT team could stop stop with their standard arsenal. The cops had to go to gun stores and get some high-powered shiat to stop them. So, a CCW holder with a handgun wouldn't have been able to do shiat.


Not to mention if there was any in the crowd they probably did what everybody else did, shiat their pants and tried to get the hell out of there.
 
2012-07-22 04:10:57 PM

stuffer: police are saying gunman bought a ticket, went in, left through the emergency exit, propped it open, geared up, came back in. no second person needed. could have just been an alarm on his phone to tell him it was time it his phone went off before.


Exactly. Which makes it possible that the "someone opening the door from the inside" people remember is actually the shooter going OUT (and the timeline on the witness memory is just messed up due to mass confusion).

Same for cans coming from the back of the auditorium - if they were thrown, it could be people throwing them back as said earlier, otherwise if they're just "coming from" the back I wonder if they weren't just rolling downhill under the seats.

I would imagine the local authorities are going to be trying to interview anyone who even tangentially knew this guy in the past year, so I would not be surprised to hear of all sorts of "persons of interest," though it's doubtful any of them will end up in trouble. Even if someone did think the guy was a bit off, you gotta remember that the vast majority of people who seem "a bit off" never do anything. They'll probably find the people who sold him the weapons too, but without any sort of record and acting normal, why wouldn't they sell to him? (Unless some of the items are actually illegal - what was the gas, exactly?)
 
2012-07-22 04:20:38 PM
Do we, as a society, really have to put up with mass murders every year just so Tea Baggers get to hope for a chance to shoot an unarmed black kid?
 
2012-07-22 04:23:02 PM

itazurakko: They'll probably find the people who sold him the weapons too, but without any sort of record and acting normal, why wouldn't they sell to him? (Unless some of the items are actually illegal - what was the gas, exactly?)


The guns were purchased legally from sporting goods stores. Apparently, you can buy tear gas grenades over the internet, though I'm not sure about the legality. And the body armor can be bought over the internet as well. According to this article, the type of armor he used was pretty pricey, in the $2000-3000 range. And it's perfectly legal.
 
2012-07-22 04:34:31 PM

CraicBaby: itazurakko: They'll probably find the people who sold him the weapons too, but without any sort of record and acting normal, why wouldn't they sell to him? (Unless some of the items are actually illegal - what was the gas, exactly?)

The guns were purchased legally from sporting goods stores. Apparently, you can buy tear gas grenades over the internet, though I'm not sure about the legality. And the body armor can be bought over the internet as well. According to this article, the type of armor he used was pretty pricey, in the $2000-3000 range. And it's perfectly legal.


Although legal to own, it is not legal to commit a felony while wearing it. Nor is it legal to commit a felony with a firearm.

The justice system should really throw the book at this kid.

Maybe some politicians can come up with sentencing guidelines where extra time served in jail is added as a deterrent.
 
2012-07-22 04:43:44 PM
If somebody at a theater had their CCW we wouldn't be having this discussion. And by somebody, I mean Thomas Wayne.
 
2012-07-22 05:02:50 PM

way south: Callous: way south: doglover: Confabulat: Phoenix_M: If you're in a crowd of people and someone throws a smoke bomb/tear gas towards you a natural reaction is to throw it back.

That would definitely not be my natural reaction. My natural reaction would be to get as far out of the way of whatever it was as soon as possible. What sort of person naturally lobs hand grenades back at the enemy?

People who know the difference between being gassed for a long time or a short time.

Not to troll but:
The reason many suggest as to why potentially CCW carrying moviegoers didn't return fire was because the scene was dark and chaotic.
In this same setting, how do you find a grenade on the ground and how do you see where to throw it?

Simple, It will have a cloud of nasty gas coming out of it. And common sense will tell you that throwing it anywhere but here is better than leaving it here.

Possibly, but lets set up the scene the same way we did for the CCW argument:
The shooters intention was to create a kill zone by making people panicked and confused. Maybe he even intended to use the smoke as cover and moved to where it landed (hence the gasmask?).

[dl.dropbox.com image 500x302]

So imagine a cloud like this, but indoors and pitch black with screaming people bumping into you. Your eyes are burning and one of those shadows is the murderer. If you tried to grab that can, assuming you were near it and assuming you could find it (and it didn't roll under the chairs), its likely you'd end up as another victim because that's the direction Holmes is coming from.

I'd wager that if there really was a CCW permit holder in that room, the chances are the crowd would have pushed him down or forced him out. The same would go for anyone trying to play hero. This guy put some thought into the situation he set and turning the tables on him inside the theater would have been near impossible.

/The best a CCW holder could have done was to fall back to a more open and lit area and hope ...


Oh I wasn't saying it was going to change anything, but the canister is usually pretty easy to spot with a white cloud shooting out of it. And it's not at all unreasonable to think that one of the people in there would instinctively pick it up and throw it away from themselves. And I'm absolutely sure he used to it disorient and disable people as much as it could. He wore a gas mask so that the gas didn't prevent him from being able to shoot. And from there it was easy. The room was so crowded all he had to do was fire across it and he was almost guaranteed to hit someone.

Also the red flags I mentioned earlier are starting to show up.

Gun Club application rejected
 
2012-07-22 05:30:54 PM

way south: Callous: way south: doglover: Confabulat: Phoenix_M: If you're in a crowd of people and someone throws a smoke bomb/tear gas towards you a natural reaction is to throw it back.

That would definitely not be my natural reaction. My natural reaction would be to get as far out of the way of whatever it was as soon as possible. What sort of person naturally lobs hand grenades back at the enemy?

People who know the difference between being gassed for a long time or a short time.

Not to troll but:
The reason many suggest as to why potentially CCW carrying moviegoers didn't return fire was because the scene was dark and chaotic.
In this same setting, how do you find a grenade on the ground and how do you see where to throw it?

Simple, It will have a cloud of nasty gas coming out of it. And common sense will tell you that throwing it anywhere but here is better than leaving it here.

Possibly, but lets set up the scene the same way we did for the CCW argument:
The shooters intention was to create a kill zone by making people panicked and confused. Maybe he even intended to use the smoke as cover and moved to where it landed (hence the gasmask?).

[dl.dropbox.com image 500x302]

So imagine a cloud like this, but indoors and pitch black with screaming people bumping into you. Your eyes are burning and one of those shadows is the murderer. If you tried to grab that can, assuming you were near it and assuming you could find it (and it didn't roll under the chairs), its likely you'd end up as another victim because that's the direction Holmes is coming from.

I'd wager that if there really was a CCW permit holder in that room, the chances are the crowd would have pushed him down or forced him out. The same would go for anyone trying to play hero. This guy put some thought into the situation he set and turning the tables on him inside the theater would have been near impossible.

/The best a CCW holder could have done was to fall back to a more open and lit area and hope ...


The gas cloud would have given a hero time to duck away from friends, put on his costume, and then beat the living daylights out of the shooter. Well, if there was a skylight to drop through, anyway.
 
2012-07-22 05:36:38 PM
In Soviet Colorado, movie shoots you!
 
2012-07-22 05:41:14 PM
But why interrupt such great movie? I wonder if survivors asked for their money back.

Seriously, if you're going to ruin a Batman movie, wait until Joel Poomaker directs.
 
2012-07-22 05:55:49 PM

Callous: Also the red flags I mentioned earlier are starting to show up.

Gun Club application rejected


Yeah, this guy probably has been giving warning signs left and right, but it will take a bit for them all to filter out. He probably had an online presence, it just hasn't been noticed yet.
 
2012-07-22 06:01:17 PM

Anderson's Pooper: If somebody at a theater had their CCW we wouldn't be having this discussion. And by somebody, I mean Thomas Wayne.


i105.photobucket.com
 
2012-07-22 06:14:31 PM

davidphogan: Yeah, this guy probably has been giving warning signs left and right, but it will take a bit for them all to filter out. He probably had an online presence, it just hasn't been noticed yet.


I saw people posting a screenshot of his Adult Friend Finder page on Friday.
 
2012-07-22 06:21:09 PM
There was a guy on NPR News on Friday who flat out said the person in front of him opened the exit door and motioned for someone to come in. And someone did.
 
2012-07-22 06:31:27 PM

Dr.Zom: There was a guy on NPR News on Friday who flat out said the person in front of him opened the exit door and motioned for someone to come in. And someone did.


Every account I've read said he went out the door, pretending to take a phone call, and propped the door open.
 
2012-07-22 06:32:02 PM
is this the guy who held the door open in the movie theater?

dnrtfa
 
2012-07-22 07:42:08 PM
So, if we accept the single person/he propped the door open theory, I'm wondering - how long would it take a person to go outside to their nearby car, put on body armor and pick up his weapons? If he practiced?

Just curious.
 
2012-07-22 08:45:39 PM
Conspiracies tend to be for the simple-minded who can't comprehend the simple act. The simplest explanation is often the correct explanation. Lightning striking a tree, causing it to fall on your car is much more likely than someone planting explosives in a tree to make it look like lightning just so it would fall in your car, which was actually planned by your Jewish insurance agent in a bid to get out of paying for a wreck that was going to be caused the Illuminati on the behest of the lizard people.
 
Ral
2012-07-22 08:59:05 PM

BuzzBoy: I am still amazed at Americns almost anal fixation of "why did he do it ?" Who cares "why",......the fact remains, he DID do it. Execute him !


The "why" is relevant. It assists in understanding the psychology of people who do this. If we can understand it, maybe we can recognize the symptoms before someone actually becomes violent so we can treat them (and/or detain them for a psych evaluation).

The "why" here is not immediately obvious (as it is with bank robbery). Our understanding of what motivates this sort of crime is very limited. Although there may be many examples of such crimes that seem similar, we may find that they have very different underlying etiologies. For example, 50 years ago, "heart disease" was a single category. Now we recognize that there are many different ways the heart can fail, and they are not always related to one another. Identifying the correct one allows treatment.
 
2012-07-22 08:59:51 PM

Atypical Person Reading Fark: So, if we accept the single person/he propped the door open theory, I'm wondering - how long would it take a person to go outside to their nearby car, put on body armor and pick up his weapons? If he practiced?

Just curious.


10 minutes.

How far away was his car?
 
2012-07-22 09:43:55 PM

Giltric: 10 minutes.

How far away was his car?


From news photos of the exit and back door scene it seems he was parked right next to the emergency exit. I suppose they could have moved his car but I doubt they would if the investigation is still going on.
 
2012-07-22 09:45:16 PM
scotchcrotch In Soviet Colorado, movie shoots you! drive-ins make great internment camps...
movieactors.com

Captain_Ballbeard Do we, as a society, really have to put up with mass murders every year just so Tea Baggers Democrat Community Activists get to hope for a chance to shoot an unarmed black kid?
Link
FTFY, unless you was trollin', then 2/10
 
2012-07-22 10:06:17 PM

Ral: BuzzBoy: I am still amazed at Americns almost anal fixation of "why did he do it ?" Who cares "why",......the fact remains, he DID do it. Execute him !

The "why" is relevant. It assists in understanding the psychology of people who do this. If we can understand it, maybe we can recognize the symptoms before someone actually becomes violent so we can treat them (and/or detain them for a psych evaluation).

The "why" here is not immediately obvious (as it is with bank robbery). Our understanding of what motivates this sort of crime is very limited. Although there may be many examples of such crimes that seem similar, we may find that they have very different underlying etiologies. For example, 50 years ago, "heart disease" was a single category. Now we recognize that there are many different ways the heart can fail, and they are not always related to one another. Identifying the correct one allows treatment.


Regular people need to wonder why because they simply can't bear to think that someone would do this for no reason. This terrifies people but it is the truth. Either he had no reason or the reason he had is beyond the comprehension of sane people.
 
2012-07-22 11:04:43 PM

tankjr: Ral: BuzzBoy: I am still amazed at Americns almost anal fixation of "why did he do it ?" Who cares "why",......the fact remains, he DID do it. Execute him !

The "why" is relevant. It assists in understanding the psychology of people who do this. If we can understand it, maybe we can recognize the symptoms before someone actually becomes violent so we can treat them (and/or detain them for a psych evaluation).

The "why" here is not immediately obvious (as it is with bank robbery). Our understanding of what motivates this sort of crime is very limited. Although there may be many examples of such crimes that seem similar, we may find that they have very different underlying etiologies. For example, 50 years ago, "heart disease" was a single category. Now we recognize that there are many different ways the heart can fail, and they are not always related to one another. Identifying the correct one allows treatment.

Regular people need to wonder why because they simply can't bear to think that someone would do this for no reason. This terrifies people but it is the truth. Either he had no reason or the reason he had is beyond the comprehension of sane people.


I'm ok with executing the prick ASAP but yeah, it'd be beneficial to pick his brain for awhile before we fry his ass.
 
2012-07-22 11:47:02 PM

bigsteve3OOO: Happy Hours: MythDragon: As long as it was CS (do they even make capsaicin gas?) I wouldn't be that affected by it. I've been to the gas chamber so many times, that it doesn't bother me as bad. It is still irritating, but not near as bad the first time I ever went. In fact as we were prepping for my last deployment, we had to go the gas chamber. I got in with the first group, we went in, chilled for a bit, then everyone had to take off masks and head for the door. Since I was last in line, I was the last out. The first thing I did when I got out? Got in line for the second group and went through again. When I got in line for the 3rd group, my LT was in front of me. She asks "Didn't you already go through?" 'Twice' I said. She just stares at me for a second and says "You're a freak." 'I know, ma'am"

Then after everyone was done, here husband (also a LT) was talking about how little the gas bothered him. So I challenged him to see who could stay in the chamber the longest. He thought it would be a fun idea, and some other female thought she'd get in on the action, so into the chamber we went. The female stayed for about 10 seconds and ran out. After about a minute, the LT left. I stayed another 30 seconds, and walked out. The LT says "I couldn't hold my breath any longer" I just look at him an ask "You were holding your breath?"

Fun times.

Not sure if true or myth.

similar experience here. I found that if you take small controlled breaths instead of deep ones and blinked your eyes frequently, although still irritating it is tolerable. My drill SGT thought I was nuts when I stayed in to help the ones that were freaking out. I did however after a solid 2 min. in the gas blow a snot ball the size of a basketball out of my nose.


I have a slight scar that is indented on the side of my head and my mask never fit properly. Rather than get into details, let's just say that I learned the easiest way to clear out a full on sinus infection. It is amazing the crap you'll put up with to achieve a goal. Anyhow, the end result? I have no idea what I'd have done BUT I don't think I'd have been bothered by the gas at all. I'd like to think I'd chuck it towards the screen and cover a loved one as gas rises and my life has been pretty good and long enough but I may well have pissed my pants and thrown the annoying child behind me at the gunman.
 
2012-07-22 11:48:23 PM
Ouch... Sinks... *sighs* Sorry. I'm either retarded or inebriated or both. ;)
 
2012-07-23 12:55:04 AM
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2012-07-23 02:05:10 AM

FlyingJ:

Democrat Community Activists get to hope for a chance to shoot an unarmed black kid?
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FTFY, unless you was trollin', then 2/10



Are you on mind altering drugs right now?

I don't want to critique your comments if you're just really, really high and typing words more or less at random. So, what have you ingested, and how much? I need to know this before evaluating your comment.
 
2012-07-23 02:11:31 AM

StoPPeRmobile: italie: //16-26 year olds packing heat are usually not doing so because they are brave individuals...

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I probably should have clarified, being Fark 'n all...

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