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(CNN)   Fonzi's decision to NOT open Colorado shooter's apartment door after hearing loud music saved her life. AAAAAAAAAAYYYYYYYYYY   (cnn.com) divider line 129
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2012-07-21 07:02:11 PM
Got to upvote this just coinkydink. Aaaaaaaay
 
2012-07-21 07:03:53 PM
She should have banged on the door. Maybe the music would have stopped.

/scary how much worse this whole thing could have been geez
 
2012-07-21 07:10:15 PM
Tip: Deciding not to barge into someone else's apartment uninvited is always a good idea.
 
2012-07-21 08:59:49 PM
Or her decision to open the door while he was still in there, and set off the explosion could have saved 12 lives.

Just sayin'
 
2012-07-21 09:47:41 PM

Thoguh: Or her decision to open the door while he was still in there, and set off the explosion could have saved 12 lives.

Just sayin'


He was already in custody at that point. Dumbass.
 
2012-07-21 09:48:52 PM

Thoguh: Or her decision to open the door while he was still in there, and set off the explosion could have saved 12 lives.

Just sayin'


Presumably if he was smart enough to set up viable booby traps, he was smart enough to not set anything up to go off before he left.
 
2012-07-21 09:49:22 PM
Subby? I think you dropped this,
img1.fark.net
 
2012-07-21 09:51:16 PM

Thoguh: Or her decision to open the door while he was still in there, and set off the explosion could have saved 12 lives.

Just sayin'


Yes, this was a dumb comment. Even for Fark.
 
2012-07-21 09:56:50 PM

This About That: Pro Tip: Deciding not to barge into someone else's apartment uninvited is always a good idea.


FTFY.

Anyway, I read earlier that the music in question that was blaring was techno. So obviously the media is going to call for a ban on electronic music.
 
2012-07-21 09:56:53 PM
Why was she checking to see if she could open the door?
 
2012-07-21 09:57:12 PM
Good call. Now we find out what crazy shiat is on his computer.
 
2012-07-21 09:58:45 PM

generallyso: Why was she checking to see if she could open the door?


So she could go in and turn off the music since he apparently wasn't there?
 
2012-07-21 09:59:54 PM
funny how if I wanted to buy tens of thousands rounds of ammo. numerous assault weapons,gas grenades,body armor etc it wouldn't throw up a red flag to the govt.
but if I want to buy over 30 tablets of asthma medicine at a time it's impossible. and I have to show i.d., it comes from behind the pharmacists counter and I have to sign for it.

thanks NRA and GOP for keeping us safe.
 
2012-07-21 10:01:33 PM
It's safer to jump over a shark tank on water skis than opening a headbanger's door.
 
2012-07-21 10:04:32 PM

Tyranicle: Good call. Now we find out what crazy shiat is on his computer.


this guy was crazy but he appears to be fairly intelligent. he might have taken the hard drive out and disposed of it.
 
2012-07-21 10:05:42 PM
It's what Mr. C woulda done.

AAAAYYYYYYYYYY
 
2012-07-21 10:06:41 PM

Hobodeluxe: funny how if I wanted to buy tens of thousands rounds of ammo. numerous assault weapons,gas grenades,body armor etc it wouldn't throw up a red flag to the govt.
but if I want to buy over 30 tablets of asthma medicine at a time it's impossible. and I have to show i.d., it comes from behind the pharmacists counter and I have to sign for it.

thanks NRA and GOP for keeping us safe.


If only he had tried to bring nail clippers or a bottle of water onto an airplane, he might have been stopped.
 
2012-07-21 10:07:37 PM
You can't just say stuff like "thousands of rounds of ammo".

Normal people who use guns legally will go through thousands of rounds of ammo eventually. They may buy a lot at once if they find a deal.

Not a big deal.
 
2012-07-21 10:07:58 PM
The music stopped about 1 a.m. But within two hours, a SWAT team had kicked down the back door of the building and was banging on residents' doors, telling them to get out as soon as possible

calling the building's super would be too much work
 
2012-07-21 10:10:09 PM

Hobodeluxe: funny how if I wanted to buy tens of thousands rounds of ammo. numerous assault weapons,gas grenades,body armor etc it wouldn't throw up a red flag to the govt.
but if I want to buy over 30 tablets of asthma medicine at a time it's impossible. and I have to show i.d., it comes from behind the pharmacists counter and I have to sign for it.

thanks NRA and GOP for keeping us safe.


Why does the government need to be shown a red flag for what is currently normal activity? The US is more armed than the Chinese, Indian (call center people) and Russian armies combined. Hoarding meth making tabs is much more suspicious and obvious of illegal activity.
 
2012-07-21 10:11:47 PM
I wonder how often that young woman is asked if she wants to sit on it?
 
2012-07-21 10:12:48 PM
Man, this guy really took Limbaugh's Bane comments waaay too far. farking chill dude. The character has been around since the early 90's.

i.huffpost.com
i3.kym-cdn.com
cdn2.mamapop.com
www.myfacewhen.net
www.mobygames.com
 
2012-07-21 10:14:01 PM

Hobodeluxe: funny how if I wanted to buy tens of thousands rounds of ammo. numerous assault weapons,gas grenades,body armor etc it wouldn't throw up a red flag to the govt.
but if I want to buy over 30 tablets of asthma medicine at a time it's impossible. and I have to show i.d., it comes from behind the pharmacists counter and I have to sign for it.

thanks NRA and GOP for keeping us safe.


I've got some bad news for you....
 
2012-07-21 10:14:14 PM
I'm guessing here:

I think he wanted to destroy any evidence in his apartment, but I wonder if his larger plan was to create one hell of a diversion just before the pre-planned time he was going to open fire at the theater. Sounds like he wanted every cop, firefighter and EMT to be at one location, unable to respond quickly to what he was planning at the theater.
 
2012-07-21 10:15:11 PM
This story has officially jumped the shark.
 
2012-07-21 10:15:54 PM
So the mass murderer was also a nerd.
 
2012-07-21 10:15:59 PM
Quite frankly, if she had barged into a strangers home uninvited, she would have got her just desserts. It called breaking and entering.
 
2012-07-21 10:16:13 PM

Tyranicle: The US is more armed than the Chinese, Indian (call center people) and Russian armies combined


And you want to live under the rules of those countries? Ask them about their quality of life and if most of them wouldn't trade places with you.

/you don't have to worry about a stranger shooting you, the government will run over you with a tank or shoot your ass behind a building
 
2012-07-21 10:16:32 PM

Glitchwerks: Anyway, I read earlier that the music in question that was blaring was techno. So obviously the media is going to call for a ban on electronic music.


Ya don't need to ban it,just live in a city with noise ordinances. Where I live it's like from before 9am and after 9pm if you're a noisy dick you're getting a fine.
 
2012-07-21 10:16:35 PM

wxboy: Thoguh: Or her decision to open the door while he was still in there, and set off the explosion could have saved 12 lives.

Just sayin'

Presumably if he was smart enough to set up viable booby traps, he was smart enough to not set anything up to go off before he left.


It was on a timer.
 
2012-07-21 10:16:51 PM

Devolving_Spud: I'm guessing here:

I think he wanted to destroy any evidence in his apartment, but I wonder if his larger plan was to create one hell of a diversion just before the pre-planned time he was going to open fire at the theater. Sounds like he wanted every cop, firefighter and EMT to be at one location, unable to respond quickly to what he was planning at the theater.


Maybe. I think it was, I may end up dead or captured. Let's ensure that I can kill every.last.mother.farker.I.can.
 
2012-07-21 10:16:58 PM
Fonzi and her boyfriend have been staying with relatives since being evacuated. "We were considering moving prior to this, so maybe this is the push that we needed," she said.

Oh c'mon, what are the chances the next neighbor will be another homicidal maniac?
 
2012-07-21 10:17:35 PM
Dick Van Dyke would have entered the premises and tripped over the bomb.
 
2012-07-21 10:17:41 PM

Glitchwerks: This About That: Pro Tip: Deciding not to barge into someone else's apartment uninvited is always a good idea.

FTFY.

Anyway, I read earlier that the music in question that was blaring was techno. So obviously the media is going to call for a ban on electronic music.


Good.
 
2012-07-21 10:17:42 PM

Glitchwerks: This About That: Pro Tip: Deciding not to barge into someone else's apartment uninvited is always a good idea.

FTFY.

Anyway, I read earlier that the music in question that was blaring was techno. So obviously the media is going to call for a ban on electronic music.


Can it be a ban on Skrillex, please let it be a ban on Skrillex.
 
2012-07-21 10:19:24 PM

hbk72777: And you want to live under the rules of those countries? Ask them about their quality of life and if most of them wouldn't trade places with you.


Our quality of life isn't due to that fact that millions of frightened paranoid wankers "need" to keep an arsenal at home.

/ Unless maybe you work in the firearms industry I guess
 
2012-07-21 10:23:33 PM

acad1228: Glitchwerks: This About That: Pro Tip: Deciding not to barge into someone else's apartment uninvited is always a good idea.

FTFY.

Anyway, I read earlier that the music in question that was blaring was techno. So obviously the media is going to call for a ban on electronic music.

Good.


Ehhhhhh! Sit on it!
 
2012-07-21 10:24:43 PM
Why the hell would anyone think that it's ever okay to go into someone else's apartment and screw with their stuff? Why would it even start to enter their minds that this would be okay?
 
2012-07-21 10:25:45 PM
The only thing I don't understand about any of this.. Why do you think he told the police his place was rigged like this? Believe me, I'm glad he did because no one else needed to die but I did find myself wondering why he decided to spill the beans.. Last minute change of heart?
 
2012-07-21 10:25:59 PM

Hobodeluxe: funny how if I wanted to buy tens of thousands rounds of ammo. numerous assault weapons,gas grenades,body armor etc it wouldn't throw up a red flag to the govt.
but if I want to buy over 30 tablets of asthma medicine at a time it's impossible. and I have to show i.d., it comes from behind the pharmacists counter and I have to sign for it.

thanks NRA and GOP for keeping us safe.


Wow. What a dumbass.

And I thought the as*hole that didn't RTFA was an idiot.
 
2012-07-21 10:26:15 PM

Hobodeluxe: funny how if I wanted to buy tens of thousands rounds of ammo. numerous assault weapons,gas grenades,body armor etc it wouldn't throw up a red flag to the govt.
but if I want to buy over 30 tablets of asthma medicine at a time it's impossible. and I have to show i.d., it comes from behind the pharmacists counter and I have to sign for it.

thanks NRA and GOP for keeping us safe.


There is some truth in this.

Want to buy a 50 pound bag of ammonium nitrate to fertilize your garden? Show some ID and sign your name on the dotted line because you just might be the next Timothy McVeigh.

Want to withdraw $10,000 or more from your bank account one day? Sure, go ahead, but your bank will report it to the government under the Bank Secrecy Act because you just might be in the Mafia or an Al Queda supporter.

Not to mention all of the TSA checks to buy a ticket and get on a plane.
 
2012-07-21 10:26:46 PM

hbk72777: Tyranicle: The US is more armed than the Chinese, Indian (call center people) and Russian armies combined

And you want to live under the rules of those countries? Ask them about their quality of life and if most of them wouldn't trade places with you.

/you don't have to worry about a stranger shooting you, the government will run over you with a tank or shoot your ass behind a building


I keep my ass behind my front. Safer that way.
 
2012-07-21 10:27:03 PM

hbk72777: Tyranicle: The US is more armed than the Chinese, Indian (call center people) and Russian armies combined

And you want to live under the rules of those countries? Ask them about their quality of life and if most of them wouldn't trade places with you.

/you don't have to worry about a stranger shooting you, the government will run over you with a tank or shoot your ass behind a building


what a bizarre response to what he wrote...
 
2012-07-21 10:28:28 PM
Has there been any confirmation on which song was playing? All I've read so far is that it was a "techno" song and that it was set on repeat.

If I had to venture an uninformed guess, it would be "Bangarang" by Skrillex. Just based off of recent popularity, the associated gunophile video, and the shooter's apparent dickishness. That shiat's annoying.

Yeah, yeah, dubstep vs techno comparisons, blah, blah, blah....
 
2012-07-21 10:28:40 PM

hbk72777: Tyranicle: The US is more armed than the Chinese, Indian (call center people) and Russian armies combined

And you want to live under the rules of those countries? Ask them about their quality of life and if most of them wouldn't trade places with you.

/you don't have to worry about a stranger shooting you, the government will run over you with a tank or shoot your ass behind a building


I agree 100% with you and I believe that if Aurora was a right to carry town we wouldn't be having a discussion about twelve innocent lives lost. Granted, not every spree shooter booby traps his apartment either. Nonetheless, if more citizens were given the right to carry, the less incidents like this will happen.
 
2012-07-21 10:29:57 PM

fusillade762: Fonzi and her boyfriend have been staying with relatives since being evacuated. "We were considering moving prior to this, so maybe this is the push that we needed," she said.

Oh c'mon, what are the chances the next neighbor will be another homicidal maniac?


What I want to know is when Fonzi got a sex change...
 
2012-07-21 10:33:14 PM

generallyso: Why was she checking to see if she could open the door?


In her defense, he was playing the Mortal Kombat motion picture theme song on a loop.
 
2012-07-21 10:37:32 PM

studebaker hoch: You can't just say stuff like "thousands of rounds of ammo".

Normal people who use guns legally will go through thousands of rounds of ammo eventually. They may buy a lot at once if they find a deal.

Not a big deal.


Besides, the "Obama's gonna take your guns!!!" whargarble in the past few years has caused massive buying and stockpiling of ammo. Who would notice one lunatic buying up bunches of ammo amongst all the others in the Derp Brigade?.
 
2012-07-21 10:38:40 PM

Hobodeluxe: funny how if I wanted to buy tens of thousands rounds of ammo. numerous assault weapons,gas grenades,body armor etc it wouldn't throw up a red flag to the govt.
but if I want to buy over 30 tablets of asthma medicine at a time it's impossible. and I have to show i.d., it comes from behind the pharmacists counter and I have to sign for it.

thanks NRA and GOP for keeping us safe.


Ammo numbering in the thousands isn't going to do you much good unless you have a sophisticated machine gun and a couple of guys to help you carry the boxes.
 
2012-07-21 10:39:39 PM

Roook: She should have banged on the door. Maybe the music would have stopped.

/scary how much worse this whole thing could have been geez


yeah. why did he tell the police his apartment had these traps? that seems really odd.
 
2012-07-21 10:41:05 PM
hbk72777: Tyranicle: The US is more armed than the Chinese, Indian (call center people) and Russian armies combined

And you want to live under the rules of those countries? Ask them about their quality of life and if most of them wouldn't trade places with you.

/you don't have to worry about a stranger shooting you, the government will run over you with a tank or shoot your ass behind a building



oh have you been to china lately? Its quickly becoming america v2.0. and america is becoming a communist hellhole. go figure.

what i want to know is what SSRIs this guy was on, and whether or not he was ever in the military.
 
2012-07-21 10:41:50 PM
 
2012-07-21 10:43:00 PM

Hobodeluxe: funny how if I wanted to buy tens of thousands rounds of ammo. numerous assault weapons,gas grenades,body armor etc it wouldn't throw up a red flag to the govt.
but if I want to buy over 30 tablets of asthma medicine at a time it's impossible. and I have to show i.d., it comes from behind the pharmacists counter and I have to sign for it.

thanks NRA and GOP for keeping us safe.



So what's the point? This country will NEVER change. And it was 6000 rounds.But he only needed a couple hundred so who cares really? There's never going to be a rule that says you can't but 200 rounds of ammo. And there's NEVER going to be a rule that says you can't buy a gun a month.
 
2012-07-21 10:43:42 PM
i had to do that once to a neighbor a of my girlfriend. Music started blaring at level 11 at 2 in the in the morning. I knocked on the door, but it was open slightly.....weird. Knocked and knocked while holding the door knob so the door would not open anymore. Finally, just went into the house and turned the volume off. Weird night.
 
2012-07-21 10:44:03 PM

styckx: The only thing I don't understand about any of this.. Why do you think he told the police his place was rigged like this? Believe me, I'm glad he did because no one else needed to die but I did find myself wondering why he decided to spill the beans.. Last minute change of heart?


I wonder if he didn't warn them, but rather took credit. Perhaps he told them he was responsible for the explosion at his apartment, thinking that it had occurred? It might be interesting to hear exactly what he told the arresting officer.
 
2012-07-21 10:44:57 PM

tenpoundsofcheese: Roook: She should have banged on the door. Maybe the music would have stopped.

/scary how much worse this whole thing could have been geez

yeah. why did he tell the police his apartment had these traps? that seems really odd.


Crazy people do crazy things tpoc. I bet all his neighbors collectively shiat their pants when they were told about the apt being booby trapped to explode.
 
2012-07-21 10:47:34 PM

Tyranicle: I agree 100% with you and I believe that if Aurora was a right to carry town we wouldn't be having a discussion about twelve innocent lives lost. Granted, not every spree shooter booby traps his apartment either. Nonetheless, if more citizens were given the right to carry, the less incidents like this will happen.


Colorado is a CCW state and is very pro-gun. The shooter was wearing full body armor, so shooting back at him wouldn't have done shiat.
 
2012-07-21 10:51:47 PM

Tyranicle: hbk72777: Tyranicle: The US is more armed than the Chinese, Indian (call center people) and Russian armies combined

And you want to live under the rules of those countries? Ask them about their quality of life and if most of them wouldn't trade places with you.

/you don't have to worry about a stranger shooting you, the government will run over you with a tank or shoot your ass behind a building

I agree 100% with you and I believe that if Aurora was a right to carry town we wouldn't be having a discussion about twelve innocent lives lost. Granted, not every spree shooter booby traps his apartment either. Nonetheless, if more citizens were given the right to carry, the less incidents like this will happen.


Well if it was a right to carry town and even one person had your mindset there would have been even more people dead because an idiot like you would have started shooting at the asshole in a dark, crowded, smoke filled theater with people while people were running panicked.
 
2012-07-21 10:54:51 PM
This incident has officially jumped the shark.
 
2012-07-21 10:57:00 PM

tenpoundsofcheese: Roook: She should have banged on the door. Maybe the music would have stopped.

/scary how much worse this whole thing could have been geez

yeah. why did he tell the police his apartment had these traps? that seems really odd.


Some men just want to watch the world burn.
 
2012-07-21 10:58:11 PM

Eirik: styckx: The only thing I don't understand about any of this.. Why do you think he told the police his place was rigged like this? Believe me, I'm glad he did because no one else needed to die but I did find myself wondering why he decided to spill the beans.. Last minute change of heart?

I wonder if he didn't warn them, but rather took credit. Perhaps he told them he was responsible for the explosion at his apartment, thinking that it had occurred? It might be interesting to hear exactly what he told the arresting officer.


Most reports state that the music was set on a timer so that it shut off at 1:00, just about the same time as he started shooting. The lady went back to bed after the music went off and was asleep when police evacuated the building. This guy seems to have planned for everything so to me this sounds like he had the timer to trigger the explosives if no one opened the door by 1:00, and that failed. I agree, once he was under arrest he was expecting his apartment to be destroyed or at least an inferno.
 
2012-07-21 11:00:42 PM

styckx: The only thing I don't understand about any of this.. Why do you think he told the police his place was rigged like this? Believe me, I'm glad he did because no one else needed to die but I did find myself wondering why he decided to spill the beans.. Last minute change of heart?


I ASSumed that he wanted to punish the police if he was killed
 
2012-07-21 11:02:03 PM

Devolving_Spud: I'm guessing here:

I think he wanted to destroy any evidence in his apartment, but I wonder if his larger plan was to create one hell of a diversion just before the pre-planned time he was going to open fire at the theater. Sounds like he wanted every cop, firefighter and EMT to be at one location, unable to respond quickly to what he was planning at the theater.


That sounds very logical, especially when you factor in that he timed the music to start blaring after he left the building and he apparently left his apartment door unlocked to make it easy for a cop (or a neighbor) to open it and start off the fireworks.
 
2012-07-21 11:02:32 PM

Devolving_Spud: I'm guessing here:

I think he wanted to destroy any evidence in his apartment, but I wonder if his larger plan was to create one hell of a diversion just before the pre-planned time he was going to open fire at the theater. Sounds like he wanted every cop, firefighter and EMT to be at one location, unable to respond quickly to what he was planning at the theater.


He wanted to cause a giant explosion and while calmly sitting in jail ala The Dark Knight

He even said he wanted to be called The Joker
 
2012-07-21 11:03:56 PM

jmr61: So what's the point? This country will NEVER change. And it was 6000 rounds.But he only needed a couple hundred so who cares really? There's never going to be a rule that says you can't but 200 rounds of ammo. And there's NEVER going to be a rule that says you can't buy a gun a month.


An interesting business idea - The Gun of the Month Club.

/Won't fly up here in Canada.
 
2012-07-21 11:04:36 PM

CraicBaby: Tyranicle: I agree 100% with you and I believe that if Aurora was a right to carry town we wouldn't be having a discussion about twelve innocent lives lost. Granted, not every spree shooter booby traps his apartment either. Nonetheless, if more citizens were given the right to carry, the less incidents like this will happen.

Colorado is a CCW state and is very pro-gun. The shooter was wearing full body armor, so shooting back at him wouldn't have done shiat.


You obviously don't possess Tyranicle's weapons skills, cool and calm demeanor under fire, Adonis-like looks and giant penis.
 
2012-07-21 11:06:54 PM

murrdy: Devolving_Spud: I'm guessing here:

I think he wanted to destroy any evidence in his apartment, but I wonder if his larger plan was to create one hell of a diversion just before the pre-planned time he was going to open fire at the theater. Sounds like he wanted every cop, firefighter and EMT to be at one location, unable to respond quickly to what he was planning at the theater.

He wanted to cause a giant explosion and while calmly sitting in jail ala The Dark Knight

He even said he wanted to be called The Joker


I think he told the police his apartment was rigged and also that another location was rigged, and they only had time to get to one place. Also, maybe he gave some people a detonator to the apartment and told them the people in that apartment had the detonator to THEIR apartment. Do you wanna know how he got these scars?
 
2012-07-21 11:07:31 PM

Musto: Most reports state that the music was set on a timer so that it shut off at 1:00, just about the same time as he started shooting. The lady went back to bed after the music went off and was asleep when police evacuated the building. This guy seems to have planned for everything so to me this sounds like he had the timer to trigger the explosives if no one opened the door by 1:00, and that failed. I agree, once he was under arrest he was expecting his apartment to be destroyed or at least an inferno.


TFA says she phoned in a complaint and they said they'd try to get an officer out there. No one showed up, so she phoned again a bit before 1am and they said they were in an emergency situation (the shooting) and couldn't send anyone out. So, he was shooting before the timer went off. I'm thinking he was hoping the cops would show up, trigger the explosives, and then be distracted while he was shooting. Though, nbothing explains why he just stopped shooting. Though, apparently, he tried to get into the theater 8 via the emergency exit after a couple girls ran in to escape, but a dude had the prescence of mind to block the door after the girls got in.
 
2012-07-21 11:07:56 PM

wantingout: whether or not he was ever in the military.


images.t-shirts.com
 
2012-07-21 11:08:14 PM

murrdy: Devolving_Spud: I'm guessing here:

I think he wanted to destroy any evidence in his apartment, but I wonder if his larger plan was to create one hell of a diversion just before the pre-planned time he was going to open fire at the theater. Sounds like he wanted every cop, firefighter and EMT to be at one location, unable to respond quickly to what he was planning at the theater.

He wanted to cause a giant explosion and while calmly sitting in jail ala The Dark Knight

He even said he wanted to be called The Joker


Well if he wanted that why did he tell the cops that his place was rigged? My guess is that after what he did at the movie he got hit with a heavy dose of remorse and didn't want anybody else to die. So if there was a chance his place wasn't already on fire he didn't want to send anybody else to their death.

Thinking about and planning to kill is easy, but actually going through with it and living with it is hard.
 
rka
2012-07-21 11:08:36 PM

styckx: The only thing I don't understand about any of this.. Why do you think he told the police his place was rigged like this? Believe me, I'm glad he did because no one else needed to die but I did find myself wondering why he decided to spill the beans.. Last minute change of heart?


Simply to let them know he could do it. Bragging.
 
2012-07-21 11:13:54 PM

ongbok: Tyranicle: hbk72777: Tyranicle: The US is more armed than the Chinese, Indian (call center people) and Russian armies combined

And you want to live under the rules of those countries? Ask them about their quality of life and if most of them wouldn't trade places with you.

/you don't have to worry about a stranger shooting you, the government will run over you with a tank or shoot your ass behind a building

I agree 100% with you and I believe that if Aurora was a right to carry town we wouldn't be having a discussion about twelve innocent lives lost. Granted, not every spree shooter booby traps his apartment either. Nonetheless, if more citizens were given the right to carry, the less incidents like this will happen.

Well if it was a right to carry town and even one person had your mindset there would have been even more people dead because an idiot like you would have started shooting at the asshole in a dark, crowded, smoke filled theater with people while people were running panicked.


My mindset? My minset would be to sit on my ass, ducked behind a seat, eating popcorn and slurping sugar water while twenty other motherf+ckers are pumping enough kinetic energy into the asshole to get a good headshot. I'm a pacifist.
 
2012-07-21 11:17:04 PM

Tyranicle: My mindset? My minset would be to sit on my ass, ducked behind a seat, eating popcorn and slurping sugar water while twenty other motherf+ckers are pumping enough kinetic energy into the asshole to get a good headshot. I'm a pacifist.


Except that he was wearing full ballistics gear and level IV body armor. He was clearly aware that CO is a CCW state, so he went for the highest level of protection just in case someone shot back.
 
2012-07-21 11:18:15 PM
Unless I missed it somewhere in the news, I wonder the reason he told the cops that his apartment was booby-trapped? From the reports, it sounded like he told them right after the shootings.

Was it guilt after knowing he just killed a bunch of people? Fear of getting into even more trouble?
Did they coerce it out of him?
 
2012-07-21 11:20:04 PM
All this "walking arsenal" crap is just news-speak crappola.

Anyone can commit mass murder with a six-shot revolver.

The problem in this case wasn't guns or ammo, it's the 9/11-level news hype going along with this story.

Obama should not have spoken on TV about the shooting. Flags should not be at half mast. The nation should not be shaken.

We should just say nothing, or if we do, say it at about one percent of the energy it's being given now.

If we can stop feeding these trolls, maybe they'll stop trolling.

They don't care if it's good or bad, as long as you're talking about them.

/let's stop.
 
2012-07-21 11:26:44 PM

CraicBaby: Tyranicle: My mindset? My minset would be to sit on my ass, ducked behind a seat, eating popcorn and slurping sugar water while twenty other motherf+ckers are pumping enough kinetic energy into the asshole to get a good headshot. I'm a pacifist.

Except that he was wearing full ballistics gear and level IV body armor. He was clearly aware that CO is a CCW state, so he went for the highest level of protection just in case someone shot back.


So what? Ban body armor? Like I said, a fully armed theater would knock him on his ass due to the kinetic energy from multiple bullets fired. The armed could then run up and give him a headshot.
 
2012-07-21 11:29:02 PM

ModernLuddite: Dick Van Dyke would have entered the premises and tripped over the bomb.


You never really know some neighbors, I guess.


If my wife was Mary Tyler Moore circa the Dick Van Dyke show, the trip wires would have already been activated by my moving those twin beds twice a night to give her a good farking.


i280.photobucket.com


"Not in my hair!"
 
2012-07-21 11:30:22 PM

studebaker hoch: If we can stop feeding these trolls, maybe they'll stop trolling.


In the history of the internet, has this actually been your experience?
 
2012-07-21 11:32:38 PM
He's definitely a gun nut. Whether that means left, right, or little wing remains to be seen.
 
2012-07-21 11:37:43 PM

zvoidx: Unless I missed it somewhere in the news, I wonder the reason he told the cops that his apartment was booby-trapped? From the reports, it sounded like he told them right after the shootings.

Was it guilt after knowing he just killed a bunch of people? Fear of getting into even more trouble?
Did they coerce it out of him?


Maybe he thought that he was so much smarter that he assumed they'd blow themselves up even if they knew, or he tried to mislead them by giving them bad info about disarming it?
 
2012-07-21 11:39:38 PM

Tyranicle: So what? Ban body armor? Like I said, a fully armed theater would knock him on his ass due to the kinetic energy from multiple bullets fired. The armed could then run up and give him a headshot.


Even through tear gas and smoke bombs? One of the first things you learn about gun safety is that you don't shoot if you can't clearly see your target. And I didn't say anything about banning anything.
 
2012-07-21 11:42:38 PM

Tyranicle: Like I said, a fully armed theater would knock him on his ass due to the kinetic energy from multiple bullets fired. The armed could then run up and give him a


What happens when the other people in the theater gets panicky over hearing gunshots? Humans do that you know,it's this weird thing called fight or flight. Wouldn't you think there would be some friendly fire casualties in that scenario? Also you don't aim for the farking head,you aim for center mass.
 
2012-07-21 11:42:44 PM
blog.wfmu.org
 
2012-07-21 11:44:14 PM

Tyranicle: So what? Ban body armor? Like I said, a fully armed theater would knock him on his ass due to the kinetic energy from multiple bullets fired. The armed could then run up and give him a headshot.


You're right. I'd feel pretty comfortable in a theater with dozens of other armed folks knowing that if somebody started shooting I could pick out who was shooting at the good guys and who was shooting at the bad guys by psychic magic and that they'd extend the same courtesy to me. Or are you living in a GI Joe world where the bad guys all have red lasers and the good guys all have blue?

Maybe one armed person or two could get lucky but a "fully armed theater"? I can't imagine that'd be anything but a bloodbath even more tragic than the one that occurred. At least that one would feature the black humor of a bunch of testosterone overdosing Rambo reenactors plugging each other because they wanted to be the hero that stopped the bad guy.
 
2012-07-21 11:47:16 PM

CraicBaby: Tyranicle: So what? Ban body armor? Like I said, a fully armed theater would knock him on his ass due to the kinetic energy from multiple bullets fired. The armed could then run up and give him a headshot.

Even through tear gas and smoke bombs? One of the first things you learn about gun safety is that you don't shoot if you can't clearly see your target. And I didn't say anything about banning anything.


And the kinetic energy wouldn't have knocked him down and out. Watch the video of the North Hollywood Shootout. Those guys were hit multiple times by the LAPD, and you can see the hits on video that don't even phase those guys.

I'm all for concealed carry and guns, but I don't think it would have made much of a difference here. You've got a surprise attack in a dark room with a movie playing though tear gas. It's possible someone with a weapon and some training might have managed to get a few shots off and changed the dynamic of what happened that night, but I have my doubts.
 
2012-07-21 11:48:16 PM
ei.marketwatch.com
 
2012-07-21 11:57:04 PM

davidphogan: zvoidx: Unless I missed it somewhere in the news, I wonder the reason he told the cops that his apartment was booby-trapped? From the reports, it sounded like he told them right after the shootings.

Was it guilt after knowing he just killed a bunch of people? Fear of getting into even more trouble?
Did they coerce it out of him?

Maybe he thought that he was so much smarter that he assumed they'd blow themselves up even if they knew, or he tried to mislead them by giving them bad info about disarming it?


I don't know, but that part of the story just sat there matter-of-factly and I was wondering why he suddenly cared enough to tell them about the traps when obviously he had no regard for human life at that point...

Perhaps the cops knew to ask questions like that while shouting with 20 guns pointed at him...
 
2012-07-21 11:59:13 PM

Hobodeluxe: funny how if I wanted to buy tens of thousands rounds of ammo. numerous assault weapons,gas grenades,body armor etc it wouldn't throw up a red flag to the govt.
but if I want to buy over 30 tablets of asthma medicine at a time it's impossible. and I have to show i.d., it comes from behind the pharmacists counter and I have to sign for it.

You're obviously not trying hard enough to get your asthma meds.
thanks NRA and GOP for keeping us safe.

 
2012-07-22 12:09:09 AM
 
2012-07-22 12:11:10 AM

ongbok: murrdy: Devolving_Spud: I'm guessing here:

I think he wanted to destroy any evidence in his apartment, but I wonder if his larger plan was to create one hell of a diversion just before the pre-planned time he was going to open fire at the theater. Sounds like he wanted every cop, firefighter and EMT to be at one location, unable to respond quickly to what he was planning at the theater.

He wanted to cause a giant explosion and while calmly sitting in jail ala The Dark Knight

He even said he wanted to be called The Joker

Well if he wanted that why did he tell the cops that his place was rigged? My guess is that after what he did at the movie he got hit with a heavy dose of remorse and didn't want anybody else to die. So if there was a chance his place wasn't already on fire he didn't want to send anybody else to their death.

Thinking about and planning to kill is easy, but actually going through with it and living with it is hard.




Obviously, you have pared the crazy from your FB page better than myself.


http://www.naturalnews.com/036536_James_Holmes_shooting_false_flag.ht m l


Not much more to say than...wow.
 
2012-07-22 12:11:13 AM
I've been out on my motorcycle and away from radios and TVs since this happened and have thankfully missed the constant conjecture and speculation of such an event. And the interspersed facts that tend to accidentally happen. I am grateful for missing it.

My heart goes out to the victims and especially their loved ones.
 
2012-07-22 12:12:01 AM
I wonder if he didn't warn them, but rather took credit. Perhaps he told them he was responsible for the explosion at his apartment, thinking that it had occurred? It might be interesting to hear exactly what he told the arresting officer.

Most reports state that the music was set on a timer so that it shut off at 1:00, just about the same time as he started shooting. The lady went back to bed after the music went off and was asleep when police evacuated the building. This guy seems to have planned for everything so to me this sounds like he had the timer to trigger the explosives if no one opened the door by 1:00, and that failed. I agree, once he was under arrest he was expecting his apartment to be destroyed or at least an inferno.



There was a Dragnet episode like that.
A racist white supremacist maniac had planted a bomb in a school that was scheduled to be integrated.
Sgt. Friday fooled the guy's ass by telling him that the time was 30 minutes ahead of the actual time.

Racist bozo started bragging and confessing to having planted the explosives.
Bomb was found. Disarmed. No one got hurt.

I could see a similar situation happening. Shooter rigs up his place to blow at 1 a.m., something fails and it doesn't go up.
Or he knows that they're going to find out where he lives real quick once he's in custody. So 10-20 minutes after he's arrested he brags about the dead officers. Except, he doesn't know that no one is dead.
 
2012-07-22 12:14:52 AM
My longstanding belief that anyone who listens to techno outside of the club is not to be trusted finally vindicated.

/I certainly would be exploded right know if in Ms Fonzis position. Blasting music at midnight in an apartment complex? I'm running up in there like Cosmo Kramer.
 
2012-07-22 12:16:33 AM
If this guy tries to plead insanity I will laugh my a*s off. According to CNN he was a "doctoral" student at University of Colorado. So there is no way he can claim insanity made him buy all those guns, ammo, chemicals and aerial shells. By the way i suspect its just a copycat crime. Do you think he just wanted to be famous for being infamous( and hated) just like Jared Loughner. Take a look at the current police photo of Holmes and you see the same batshiat crazy grin. Of course Holmes obviously put so much more planning into his horrible act.

/resists urge to bring up gun laws
 
2012-07-22 12:17:11 AM

Fiction Fan: I wonder if he didn't warn them, but rather took credit. Perhaps he told them he was responsible for the explosion at his apartment, thinking that it had occurred? It might be interesting to hear exactly what he told the arresting officer.

Most reports state that the music was set on a timer so that it shut off at 1:00, just about the same time as he started shooting. The lady went back to bed after the music went off and was asleep when police evacuated the building. This guy seems to have planned for everything so to me this sounds like he had the timer to trigger the explosives if no one opened the door by 1:00, and that failed. I agree, once he was under arrest he was expecting his apartment to be destroyed or at least an inferno.


There was a Dragnet episode like that.
A racist white supremacist maniac had planted a bomb in a school that was scheduled to be integrated.
Sgt. Friday fooled the guy's ass by telling him that the time was 30 minutes ahead of the actual time.

Racist bozo started bragging and confessing to having planted the explosives.
Bomb was found. Disarmed. No one got hurt.

I could see a similar situation happening. Shooter rigs up his place to blow at 1 a.m., something fails and it doesn't go up.
Or he knows that they're going to find out where he lives real quick once he's in custody. So 10-20 minutes after he's arrested he brags about the dead officers. Except, he doesn't know that no one is dead.


And when you get down to it, the only reason the explosives weren't triggered (assuming they're actual explosives) is because the Aurora PD didn't want to waste time responding to a noise complaint. If an officer had shown up when the chick first called it in, who knows what would have happened?
 
2012-07-22 12:24:43 AM
I'da been all 'yo Holmes!'
 
2012-07-22 12:25:08 AM

Zebby: So there is no way he can claim insanity made him buy all those guns, ammo, chemicals and aerial shells.


Well, if it turns out he has schizophrenia, his lawyer could make a case for an insanity plea. He's at the right age where it starts to pop up. However, schizophrenics tend to be disorganized, and he has clearly shown he is pretty organized as far as his planning. He may simply be an evil farkhead like the guy who shot up Virginia Tech. I'm sure his lawyer will still go for an insanity plea, but those almost never work. Just because someone is mentally ill, doesn't necessarily mean they fit the legal definition of insanity. He will undoubtedly undergo a myriad of psych evaluations leading up to the eventual trial, fir to see if he is fit to stand trial, and then likely to see if he fits the legal definition of insanity.
 
2012-07-22 12:26:07 AM

CraicBaby: Fiction Fan: I wonder if he didn't warn them, but rather took credit. Perhaps he told them he was responsible for the explosion at his apartment, thinking that it had occurred? It might be interesting to hear exactly what he told the arresting officer.

Most reports state that the music was set on a timer so that it shut off at 1:00, just about the same time as he started shooting. The lady went back to bed after the music went off and was asleep when police evacuated the building. This guy seems to have planned for everything so to me this sounds like he had the timer to trigger the explosives if no one opened the door by 1:00, and that failed. I agree, once he was under arrest he was expecting his apartment to be destroyed or at least an inferno.


There was a Dragnet episode like that.
A racist white supremacist maniac had planted a bomb in a school that was scheduled to be integrated.
Sgt. Friday fooled the guy's ass by telling him that the time was 30 minutes ahead of the actual time.

Racist bozo started bragging and confessing to having planted the explosives.
Bomb was found. Disarmed. No one got hurt.

I could see a similar situation happening. Shooter rigs up his place to blow at 1 a.m., something fails and it doesn't go up.
Or he knows that they're going to find out where he lives real quick once he's in custody. So 10-20 minutes after he's arrested he brags about the dead officers. Except, he doesn't know that no one is dead.

And when you get down to it, the only reason the explosives weren't triggered (assuming they're actual explosives) is because the Aurora PD didn't want to waste time responding to a noise complaint. If an officer had shown up when the chick first called it in, who knows what would have happened?


It just occurred to me, this is exactly what happened in Sweden. The killer set off a bomb near the seat of the government to draw in the police, then traveled to the camp to start the real killing he was interested in. Wonder if he was inspired by that?
 
2012-07-22 12:26:36 AM
Y'all, an important Faekism has been overlooked for TWO PAGES......Was she HOT???
 
2012-07-22 12:53:15 AM

CraicBaby: Zebby: So there is no way he can claim insanity made him buy all those guns, ammo, chemicals and aerial shells.

Well, if it turns out he has schizophrenia, his lawyer could make a case for an insanity plea. He's at the right age where it starts to pop up. However, schizophrenics tend to be disorganized, and he has clearly shown he is pretty organized as far as his planning. He may simply be an evil farkhead like the guy who shot up Virginia Tech. I'm sure his lawyer will still go for an insanity plea, but those almost never work. Just because someone is mentally ill, doesn't necessarily mean they fit the legal definition of insanity. He will undoubtedly undergo a myriad of psych evaluations leading up to the eventual trial, fir to see if he is fit to stand trial, and then likely to see if he fits the legal definition of insanity.


It could be one of the many things related to the same processes that cause schizophrenia to kick in. With some sort of bipolar related issues, the adrenalin rush may have kicked him around to a different personality which wasn't a homicidal maniac. This guy was about the same age as Breivik when he started his plan but he took far longer to execute his. Are we looking at two cases of psychopathic schizophrenia? There is also the case that someone who knows a bit about neurology might notice they have some issues and incorrectly self diagnose or become too paranoid to seek treatment or actively block it.
 
2012-07-22 12:59:33 AM

DON.MAC: It could be one of the many things related to the same processes that cause schizophrenia to kick in. With some sort of bipolar related issues, the adrenalin rush may have kicked him around to a different personality which wasn't a homicidal maniac. This guy was about the same age as Breivik when he started his plan but he took far longer to execute his. Are we looking at two cases of psychopathic schizophrenia? There is also the case that someone who knows a bit about neurology might notice they have some issues and incorrectly self diagnose or become too paranoid to seek treatment or actively block it.


Yeah, could be the reason he dropped out of his PhD program. He was pursuing a doctorate in neuroscience, so he obviously knew quite a bit about neurology. Maybe he recognized that he had some serious issues, so he got scared and dropped out.
 
2012-07-22 01:02:37 AM

Tyranicle: hbk72777: Tyranicle: The US is more armed than the Chinese, Indian (call center people) and Russian armies combined

And you want to live under the rules of those countries? Ask them about their quality of life and if most of them wouldn't trade places with you.

/you don't have to worry about a stranger shooting you, the government will run over you with a tank or shoot your ass behind a building

I agree 100% with you and I believe that if Aurora was a right to carry town we wouldn't be having a discussion about twelve innocent lives lost. Granted, not every spree shooter booby traps his apartment either. Nonetheless, if more citizens were given the right to carry, the less incidents like this will happen.


11/10
 
2012-07-22 01:06:39 AM
How the hell does a guy burst into a packed theater and only kill 12 people?
 
2012-07-22 01:11:30 AM

Zebby: If this guy tries to plead insanity I will laugh my a*s off. According to CNN he was a "doctoral" student at University of Colorado. So there is no way he can claim insanity made him buy all those guns, ammo, chemicals and aerial shells. By the way i suspect its just a copycat crime. Do you think he just wanted to be famous for being infamous( and hated) just like Jared Loughner. Take a look at the current police photo of Holmes and you see the same batshiat crazy grin. Of course Holmes obviously put so much more planning into his horrible act.

/resists urge to bring up gun laws


Have you ever heard the saying that there is a fine line between genius and insanity?
 
2012-07-22 01:13:42 AM

consider this: How the hell does a guy burst into a packed theater and only kill 12 people?


Bad aim. If he was military he would have killed more.

Just because you have a big gun doesn't mean you know how to shoot it properly.
 
2012-07-22 01:16:38 AM

consider this: How the hell does a guy burst into a packed theater and only kill 12 people?


I know, totally wasted opportunity. Wait what?
 
2012-07-22 01:17:53 AM

Abox: I'da been all 'yo Holmes!'


Smell you later?
 
2012-07-22 01:22:19 AM

consider this: How the hell does a guy burst into a packed theater and only kill 12 people?


He was untrained, hence his belief that his equipment was more important than his training and mindset.
 
2012-07-22 01:26:56 AM
I suppose we're all losers for coming to Fark at this time of night on a Saturday to express our ironically clandestine senses of humor, and especially for doing so in thread about a temporary, eventually forgettable and mostly unnoteworthy but tragic event in national history.</troll>
 
2012-07-22 01:31:34 AM
The poor woman probably hears these same lame Fonzi jokes every day.
 
2012-07-22 01:56:14 AM

generallyso: Why was she checking to see if she could open the door?


Because she's full of shiat? Probably heard about the explosives they found and wanted to be in the news, too.
 
2012-07-22 02:16:42 AM
It's been my experience that officers don't just barge into residences for complaints. I used to live in an apartment complex and the guy upstairs would physically and verbally assault his girlfriend/wife/babys mama/ etc. One night someone called in a complaint and the police officers were banging on the door for 3 hours straight. We could hear the residents upstairs moving around, but they never answered the door and eventually the police left.

Also, I don't buy this woman's story about turning the door knob and thinking twice. She mentioned later in the article that she had only seen him in passing, why the fark would she enter a strangers residence over a noise complaint about music.
 
2012-07-22 03:50:28 AM

CraicBaby: DON.MAC: It could be one of the many things related to the same processes that cause schizophrenia to kick in. With some sort of bipolar related issues, the adrenalin rush may have kicked him around to a different personality which wasn't a homicidal maniac. This guy was about the same age as Breivik when he started his plan but he took far longer to execute his. Are we looking at two cases of psychopathic schizophrenia? There is also the case that someone who knows a bit about neurology might notice they have some issues and incorrectly self diagnose or become too paranoid to seek treatment or actively block it.

Yeah, could be the reason he dropped out of his PhD program. He was pursuing a doctorate in neuroscience, so he obviously knew quite a bit about neurology. Maybe he recognized that he had some serious issues, so he got scared and dropped out.


He dropped out last month, he was planning this for atleast the last four months. I doubt he dropped out due to that. More likely he did not want any distractions.

Tyranicle: hbk72777: Tyranicle: The US is more armed than the Chinese, Indian (call center people) and Russian armies combined

And you want to live under the rules of those countries? Ask them about their quality of life and if most of them wouldn't trade places with you.

/you don't have to worry about a stranger shooting you, the government will run over you with a tank or shoot your ass behind a building

I agree 100% with you and I believe that if Aurora was a right to carry town we wouldn't be having a discussion about twelve innocent lives lost. Granted, not every spree shooter booby traps his apartment either. Nonetheless, if more citizens were given the right to carry, the less incidents like this will happen.


Except he was wearing a bullet proof vest and had set off tear gas bombs. Anyone with a gun would have likely shot someone else and or prolonged this shooting. Arming the population will not lessen incidents like this, it will only make the situation worse.

styckx: The only thing I don't understand about any of this.. Why do you think he told the police his place was rigged like this? Believe me, I'm glad he did because no one else needed to die but I did find myself wondering why he decided to spill the beans.. Last minute change of heart?


This was odd. Maybe he got antsy to find out if phase 2 went through? He attacked at about the same time he set the music to go off. There was a report that he got a call and then went outside. This could have been an alarm set on his phone.

Devolving_Spud: I'm guessing here:

I think he wanted to destroy any evidence in his apartment, but I wonder if his larger plan was to create one hell of a diversion just before the pre-planned time he was going to open fire at the theater. Sounds like he wanted every cop, firefighter and EMT to be at one location, unable to respond quickly to what he was planning at the theater.


Or having everyone at the theater, less people would be able to respond to his apartment blowing up.

Hobodeluxe: funny how if I wanted to buy tens of thousands rounds of ammo. numerous assault weapons,gas grenades,body armor etc it wouldn't throw up a red flag to the govt.
but if I want to buy over 30 tablets of asthma medicine at a time it's impossible. and I have to show i.d., it comes from behind the pharmacists counter and I have to sign for it.

thanks NRA and GOP for keeping us safe.


It is amazing what we so heavy regulate but let by through the back door.

Thoguh: Or her decision to open the door while he was still in there, and set off the explosion could have saved 12 lives.

Just sayin'


And killed many more when his phase 2 actually went through.
 
2012-07-22 04:19:33 AM

ultraholland: The music stopped about 1 a.m. But within two hours, a SWAT team had kicked down the back door of the building and was banging on residents' doors, telling them to get out as soon as possible

calling the building's super would be too much work


Not all apartment buildings have supers, let alone on-site managers.
 
2012-07-22 04:40:01 AM

Hobodeluxe: funny how if I wanted to buy tens of thousands rounds of ammo. numerous assault weapons,gas grenades,body armor etc it wouldn't throw up a red flag to the govt.
but if I want to buy over 30 tablets of asthma medicine at a time it's impossible. and I have to show i.d., it comes from behind the pharmacists counter and I have to sign for it.

thanks NRA and GOP for keeping us safe.


Shake n bake dude!!!!!
 
2012-07-22 04:40:58 AM

Tyranicle: CraicBaby: Tyranicle: My mindset? My minset would be to sit on my ass, ducked behind a seat, eating popcorn and slurping sugar water while twenty other motherf+ckers are pumping enough kinetic energy into the asshole to get a good headshot. I'm a pacifist.

Except that he was wearing full ballistics gear and level IV body armor. He was clearly aware that CO is a CCW state, so he went for the highest level of protection just in case someone shot back.

So what? Ban body armor? Like I said, a fully armed theater would knock him on his ass due to the kinetic energy from multiple bullets fired. The armed could then run up and give him a headshot.


You've got no concept of "kinetic energy" do you? I already told someone else to check out the North Hollywood bank shootout: Lots of cops shooting lots of guns at guy with body armor, and the robber wasn't even fazed. The cops were at the time using 9-mm, the most powerful firearm police could use at the time.

So unless your "fully armed" theater was all packing Magnum .357s and also didn't miss...no.
 
2012-07-22 05:13:25 AM

Glitchwerks: So obviously the media is going to call for a ban on electronic music.


So. A silver lining after all.
 
2012-07-22 08:38:27 AM

Bathia_Mapes: ultraholland: The music stopped about 1 a.m. But within two hours, a SWAT team had kicked down the back door of the building and was banging on residents' doors, telling them to get out as soon as possible

calling the building's super would be too much work

Not all apartment buildings have supers, let alone on-site managers.


Plus this:
Super: Hey everyone get out! There's a bomb!
People: Right, Charlie. (roll over)

OR 100 hundred police cars and fire trucks, sirens blaring, lights flashing: (Loudspeaker) EVACUATE THE BUILDING. THERE IS A BOMB.
People: See ya later! (cloud of dust)
 
2012-07-22 12:16:14 PM

Tyranicle: CraicBaby: Tyranicle: My mindset? My minset would be to sit on my ass, ducked behind a seat, eating popcorn and slurping sugar water while twenty other motherf+ckers are pumping enough kinetic energy into the asshole to get a good headshot. I'm a pacifist.

Except that he was wearing full ballistics gear and level IV body armor. He was clearly aware that CO is a CCW state, so he went for the highest level of protection just in case someone shot back.

So what? Ban body armor? Like I said, a fully armed theater would knock him on his ass due to the kinetic energy from multiple bullets fired. The armed could then run up and give him a headshot.


I'm in favor of gun rights, but a gun is just a tool, not a magic wand.

Even if everyone in the theater had a pistol on his hip, finger on the trigger, and the safety off...the casualty count would've been about the same.

Subtract a couple victims for the audience getting over their surprise in a few seconds and saving them from the gunman...and then add back in a couple, shot in the back by accident in all the confusion in the dark.
 
2012-07-22 12:18:27 PM

CraicBaby: Musto: Most reports state that the music was set on a timer so that it shut off at 1:00, just about the same time as he started shooting. The lady went back to bed after the music went off and was asleep when police evacuated the building. This guy seems to have planned for everything so to me this sounds like he had the timer to trigger the explosives if no one opened the door by 1:00, and that failed. I agree, once he was under arrest he was expecting his apartment to be destroyed or at least an inferno.

TFA says she phoned in a complaint and they said they'd try to get an officer out there. No one showed up, so she phoned again a bit before 1am and they said they were in an emergency situation (the shooting) and couldn't send anyone out. So, he was shooting before the timer went off. I'm thinking he was hoping the cops would show up, trigger the explosives, and then be distracted while he was shooting. Though, nbothing explains why he just stopped shooting. Though, apparently, he tried to get into the theater 8 via the emergency exit after a couple girls ran in to escape, but a dude had the prescence of mind to block the door after the girls got in.


He may also have just plain sucked at setting explosives. Wasn't like that was his field of grad studies, after all.
 
2012-07-22 02:32:35 PM
pivazena

studebaker hoch: If we can stop feeding these trolls, maybe they'll stop trolling.

In the history of the internet, has this actually been your experience?


Yes.

It's the only thing that works.
 
2012-07-22 03:26:58 PM

Musto: Eirik: styckx: The only thing I don't understand about any of this.. Why do you think he told the police his place was rigged like this? Believe me, I'm glad he did because no one else needed to die but I did find myself wondering why he decided to spill the beans.. Last minute change of heart?

I wonder if he didn't warn them, but rather took credit. Perhaps he told them he was responsible for the explosion at his apartment, thinking that it had occurred? It might be interesting to hear exactly what he told the arresting officer.

Most reports state that the music was set on a timer so that it shut off at 1:00, just about the same time as he started shooting. The lady went back to bed after the music went off and was asleep when police evacuated the building. This guy seems to have planned for everything so to me this sounds like he had the timer to trigger the explosives if no one opened the door by 1:00, and that failed. I agree, once he was under arrest he was expecting his apartment to be destroyed or at least an inferno.


So, in his case:


img1.fark.net
 
2012-07-22 03:37:06 PM
Fonzi got married?

Pinky Tuscadero does not approve.


/obscure
 
2012-07-22 04:09:48 PM

Foolkiller: Bathia_Mapes: ultraholland: The music stopped about 1 a.m. But within two hours, a SWAT team had kicked down the back door of the building and was banging on residents' doors, telling them to get out as soon as possible

calling the building's super would be too much work

Not all apartment buildings have supers, let alone on-site managers.

Plus this:
Super: Hey everyone get out! There's a bomb!
People: Right, Charlie. (roll over)

OR 100 hundred police cars and fire trucks, sirens blaring, lights flashing: (Loudspeaker) EVACUATE THE BUILDING. THERE IS A BOMB.
People: See ya later! (cloud of dust)


Yep,
 
2012-07-22 09:57:43 PM
he told them because he expected them to walk in the unlocked door his neighbor from beneath him found -- and decided not to open. He expected they'd all be blown to bits walking in unaware.

/did i mention he was a bit deranged?
//he probably ran out of time setting it all up and the studio would not push the release date back
/I was disappointed he did not protect his window, they just busted the glass -- a single wire through the glass could have provided a circuit that when broken would set the whole thing off.
//amateur
 
2012-07-22 10:01:59 PM

ongbok: Just because you have a big gun doesn't mean you know how to shoot it properly.


it did jam, i read, in one of the reports (probably from rapid constant fire -- the heat produced rapidly deformed the internal hardware of the gun and a pin somewhere misaligned) and he had to go for one of his back-up weapons.

/utterly ashamed that no person or group of persons bumrushed him down to disable his trigger finger
//even if you get shot on approach you have your momentum
/absolutely no one was carrying concealed; that is the larger problem
//ad significant numbers of civilians been armed he wouldn't have got half as far
/if you are shot in a bullet proof vest, it still hurts, it still knocks you off balance
//ashamed at humanity's stupid people; goddamn retards
/one CCLer, one off-duty cop could have saved the motherloving day
 
2012-07-22 10:44:35 PM
If he had shot up "Prometheus" there wouldn't be nearly the outrage.
 
2012-07-23 06:53:25 PM
Do you people have to turn every farking thread about the shooting into a gun debate? and this is to both sides of the argument. Seriously shut the hell up already! This one wasn't even about the shooting itself, but about that asshole's bombs.
And you aren't going to change each others' minds anyway. Quit the threadshiatting.
 
2012-07-23 10:02:11 PM
Screw_this_life

Do you people have to turn every farking thread about the shooting into a gun debate?

Both sides of the gun control debate pick these incidents up like a live fumble in the last 30 seconds of a tied Superbowl game.

There is serious money on both sides of this.
 
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