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ZAZ [TotalFark]
2012-07-21 08:22:38 PM
Judge Dee McDonald admonished everyone at the hearing not to speak about what happened in court or about the crime... David Marburger, an Ohio media law specialist, said Dietrich should have tried to get the courts to vacate the gag order rather than simply violating it.

The "what happened in court" part is the big problem. Judges can issue gag orders about evidence and juvenile criminal cases. By complaining about the process and the plea deal she talked about non-public information. If she had just said Ralph the rapist raped me, without complaining about the court proceedings or prosecutor, the judge would have a much harder time holding her in contempt.
 
2012-07-21 08:24:30 PM
Judges are dicks.
 
2012-07-21 08:32:05 PM
These teens farked her and photographed her without consent.

If there was any time that the child pornography laws should be enforced, this is it. Not sexting, this.
 
2012-07-21 08:32:45 PM
I'll bet the Judge decides the penalty based on the finances and social status of the parents as well as political ties.
 
2012-07-21 08:36:41 PM

cman: These teens farked her and photographed her without consent.

If there was any time that the child pornography laws should be enforced, this is it. Not sexting, this.


If she was passed out she didn't give onsent.

AbbeySomeone: I'll bet the Judge decides the penalty based on the finances and social status of the parents as well as political ties.


This sums it up.
 
2012-07-21 08:45:10 PM
tweeting their names in violation of a court order.

Judges don't like it when you disobey their orders.
 
2012-07-21 08:45:55 PM
See that's where she went wrong. Once you name your rapist it only makes it that much harder to let them go
 
2012-07-21 08:50:30 PM
The court made that "gag" agreement, not her.
The only way they could find her guilty, is if she said something that was only revealed in court.
However, she knew their names long before the hearing.

Besides, didn't they already "out" themselves when they released the pictures?
She is merely repeating common public knowledge.

And yes, THIS is the time that kiddie porn laws shut be enforced in full.
They weren't just possessing, or downloading, they were MANUFACTURING it (using violence) for dissemination to the public.

That hardly seems fair when there are people doing 75 years in prison for simple possession.
 
2012-07-21 08:57:28 PM

AbbeySomeone: cman: These teens farked her and photographed her without consent.

If there was any time that the child pornography laws should be enforced, this is it. Not sexting, this.

If she was passed out she didn't give onsent.

AbbeySomeone: I'll bet the Judge decides the penalty based on the finances and social status of the parents as well as political ties.

This sums it up.


Do you always make a point of agreeing with yourself?
 
2012-07-21 09:00:43 PM

TommyymmoT: The court made that "gag" agreement, not her.
The only way they could find her guilty, is if she said something that was only revealed in court.
However, she knew their names long before the hearing.

Besides, didn't they already "out" themselves when they released the pictures?
She is merely repeating common public knowledge.

And yes, THIS is the time that kiddie porn laws shut be enforced in full.
They weren't just possessing, or downloading, they were MANUFACTURING it (using violence) for dissemination to the public.

That hardly seems fair when there are people doing 75 years in prison for simple possession.


This, this and THIS. The pricks outed themselves, shamed her, and are getting what she is referring to as a slap on the wrist. She's upset, so she outed them and complained about the decision - did she specifically say what the decision was? No. She used their names.

I'm sorry, but the judge had no business ordering the gag in the first place. Now she's been raped literally and metaphorically.
 
2012-07-21 09:04:08 PM

TommyymmoT: The court made that "gag" agreement, not her.
The only way they could find her guilty, is if she said something that was only revealed in court.
However, she knew their names long before the hearing.

Besides, didn't they already "out" themselves when they released the pictures?
She is merely repeating common public knowledge.

And yes, THIS is the time that kiddie porn laws shut be enforced in full.
They weren't just possessing, or downloading, they were MANUFACTURING it (using violence) for dissemination to the public.

That hardly seems fair when there are people doing 75 years in prison for simple possession.


It was a juvenile hearing where the identity of the accused is generally not a public matter. I'd agree with you if it was normal adult court, and certainly don't disagree with the sentiment.
 
2012-07-21 09:09:58 PM
I'd toss her in jail too. You don't get to take justice in your own hands.
 
2012-07-21 09:13:00 PM

GAT_00: I'd toss her in jail too. You don't get to take justice in your own hands.


I just agree with gat as well.

I do feel bad for her, but the judge ordered it. She could take it up the chain, but she went all out. This is why we have the court system we have in place, to ensure that fark ups don't happen.
 
2012-07-21 09:16:13 PM

cman: GAT_00: I'd toss her in jail too. You don't get to take justice in your own hands.

I must agree with gat as well.

I do feel bad for her, but the judge ordered it. She could take it up the chain, but she went all out. This is why we have the court system we have in place, to ensure that fark ups don't happen.


Damn iPad keyboard
 
2012-07-21 09:16:57 PM

cman: She could take it up the chain, but she went all out.


Victims often are allowed to give testimony with no value other than attempting to shame the jury into a guilty verdict and the plea bargain would have to be approved by the prosecutor, and since those are often elected officials, they are more than willing to demand incredibly harsh plea bargains so they don't appear soft on crime.

Taking such a weak plea bargain suggests the prosecutor has no real conviction that she's a victim.
 
2012-07-21 09:20:07 PM

GAT_00: cman: She could take it up the chain, but she went all out.

Victims often are allowed to give testimony with no value other than attempting to shame the jury into a guilty verdict and the plea bargain would have to be approved by the prosecutor, and since those are often elected officials, they are more than willing to demand incredibly harsh plea bargains so they don't appear soft on crime.

Taking such a weak plea bargain suggests the prosecutor has no real conviction that she's a victim.


That could be so. It could also be that the DA might be blaming the victim for putting herself in that situation.
 
2012-07-21 09:20:36 PM

Dead for Tax Reasons: See that's where she went wrong. Once you name your rapist it only makes it that much harder to let them go


...can I have the window seat?
 
2012-07-21 09:22:26 PM

cman: GAT_00: cman: She could take it up the chain, but she went all out.

Victims often are allowed to give testimony with no value other than attempting to shame the jury into a guilty verdict and the plea bargain would have to be approved by the prosecutor, and since those are often elected officials, they are more than willing to demand incredibly harsh plea bargains so they don't appear soft on crime.

Taking such a weak plea bargain suggests the prosecutor has no real conviction that she's a victim.

That could be so. It could also be that the DA might be blaming the victim for putting herself in that situation.


It's in Kentucky, so there's a good chance they blame the girl.
 
2012-07-21 09:25:38 PM

RedPhoenix122: cman: GAT_00: cman: She could take it up the chain, but she went all out.

Victims often are allowed to give testimony with no value other than attempting to shame the jury into a guilty verdict and the plea bargain would have to be approved by the prosecutor, and since those are often elected officials, they are more than willing to demand incredibly harsh plea bargains so they don't appear soft on crime.

Taking such a weak plea bargain suggests the prosecutor has no real conviction that she's a victim.

That could be so. It could also be that the DA might be blaming the victim for putting herself in that situation.

It's in Kentucky, so there's a good chance they blame the girl.


This is true.
 
2012-07-21 09:32:36 PM
"You were born with a vulva. It's your fault!"

We live in a society where girls and women are told to not get raped. Not in a society where we tell boys and men not to rape.

The U.S. is a curious place.
 
2012-07-21 09:32:50 PM
First, the judge has not yet accepted the plea deal, and he doesn't have to.

Second, the defense has requested a contempt hearing but the judge has yet to respond to that request. He doesn't have to hold a hearing.

Third, the judge may find her in contempt but simply admonish her. He doesn't have to jail her.
 
2012-07-21 09:54:16 PM

Lsherm: Do you always make a point of agreeing with yourself?


Someone forgot which alt they were logged in as.
 
2012-07-21 10:16:46 PM

vernonFL: tweeting their names in violation of a court order.

Judges don't like it when you disobey their orders.


The court order was a little broad v. the actual law, from another link.
 
2012-07-21 10:21:28 PM

GAT_00: I'd toss her in jail too. You don't get to take justice in your own hands.


Dude did you catch your girlfriend with your best friend, dad, mom? You have been an increasing grumpy farker the last week or two...
 
2012-07-21 10:23:39 PM

sno man: GAT_00: I'd toss her in jail too. You don't get to take justice in your own hands.

Dude did you catch your girlfriend with your best friend, dad, mom? You have been an increasing grumpy farker the last week or two...


No, they're the ones who helped him with the net to catch her in the first place.
 
2012-07-21 11:01:23 PM

sno man: the last week or two...


Indeed. And less rational than usual.
 
2012-07-21 11:05:16 PM

2wolves: sno man: the last week or two...

Indeed. And less rational than usual.


To be honest, I have not noticed any change. GAT_00 has always been a principled man who is highly rational. Sure, we all have our brain farts, but GAT isnt in one of them right now.
 
2012-07-21 11:05:44 PM
She must not have any male relatives who are real men.
 
2012-07-21 11:11:34 PM

cman: 2wolves: sno man: the last week or two...

Indeed. And less rational than usual.

To be honest, I have not noticed any change. GAT_00 has always been a principled man who is highly rational. Sure, we all have our brain farts, but GAT isnt in one of them right now.


Well thanks.

And he's right with this. While we may view the light sentence as repugnant, to say it is right for her take the law into her own hands just because we disagree with the sentence is wrong and a slippery slope. What's more, since I would say the same thing for many other cases, to not say the same here would be hypocritical, and I hate hypocrisy.

Also, I'm more than a little pissed about yet another freedom rampage, which might be attributing to my mood.
 
2012-07-21 11:18:36 PM

GAT_00: cman: 2wolves: sno man: the last week or two...

Indeed. And less rational than usual.

To be honest, I have not noticed any change. GAT_00 has always been a principled man who is highly rational. Sure, we all have our brain farts, but GAT isnt in one of them right now.

Well thanks.

And he's right with this. While we may view the light sentence as repugnant, to say it is right for her take the law into her own hands just because we disagree with the sentence is wrong and a slippery slope. What's more, since I would say the same thing for many other cases, to not say the same here would be hypocritical, and I hate hypocrisy.

Also, I'm more than a little pissed about yet another freedom rampage, which might be attributing to my mood.


This stays in this thread: I find socialists more respectable over other Liberals. Its not that I like their issues, its that they are highly principled people who just want a good nation.
 
2012-07-21 11:23:31 PM

GAT_00: cman: She could take it up the chain, but she went all out.

Victims often are allowed to give testimony with no value other than attempting to shame the jury into a guilty verdict and the plea bargain would have to be approved by the prosecutor, and since those are often elected officials, they are more than willing to demand incredibly harsh plea bargains so they don't appear soft on crime.

Taking such a weak plea bargain suggests the prosecutor has no real conviction that she's a victim.


We don't know what the deal is. All we know is that victim thinks it's too lenient, so it's probably not the death penalty.
 
2012-07-21 11:24:49 PM

cman: This stays in this thread: I find socialists more respectable over other Liberals. Its not that I like their issues, its that they are highly principled people who just want a good nation.


I promise to never hold that against you.

BarkingUnicorn: We don't know what the deal is.


Hmm, good point.
 
2012-07-21 11:24:52 PM

GAT_00: Well thanks.

And he's right with this. While we may view the light sentence as repugnant, to say it is right for her take the law into her own hands just because we disagree with the sentence is wrong and a slippery slope. What's more, since I would say the same thing for many other cases, to not say the same here would be hypocritical, and I hate hypocrisy.

Also, I'm more than a little pissed about yet another freedom rampage, which might be attributing to my mood.


She didn't take the law into her own hands. She was displeased by the plea, and voiced her displeasure publicly in order to draw attention to it. That should be her right, especially since she (from the sounds of it) didn't actually use confidential information.
 
2012-07-21 11:25:44 PM

Exception Collection: She didn't take the law into her own hands.


She released the names, kept undisclosed by the court, of her attackers.
 
2012-07-21 11:27:18 PM

cman: GAT_00: cman: 2wolves: sno man: the last week or two...

Indeed. And less rational than usual.

To be honest, I have not noticed any change. GAT_00 has always been a principled man who is highly rational. Sure, we all have our brain farts, but GAT isnt in one of them right now.

Well thanks.

And he's right with this. While we may view the light sentence as repugnant, to say it is right for her take the law into her own hands just because we disagree with the sentence is wrong and a slippery slope. What's more, since I would say the same thing for many other cases, to not say the same here would be hypocritical, and I hate hypocrisy.

Also, I'm more than a little pissed about yet another freedom rampage, which might be attributing to my mood.

This stays in this thread: I find socialists more respectable over other Liberals. Its not that I like their issues, its that they are highly principled people who just want a good nation.


Whoever your new friend is (hope it's not Gat's GF, but whatever...) I like what they are doing for you
 
2012-07-21 11:32:20 PM

sno man: cman: GAT_00: cman: 2wolves: sno man: the last week or two...

Indeed. And less rational than usual.

To be honest, I have not noticed any change. GAT_00 has always been a principled man who is highly rational. Sure, we all have our brain farts, but GAT isnt in one of them right now.

Well thanks.

And he's right with this. While we may view the light sentence as repugnant, to say it is right for her take the law into her own hands just because we disagree with the sentence is wrong and a slippery slope. What's more, since I would say the same thing for many other cases, to not say the same here would be hypocritical, and I hate hypocrisy.

Also, I'm more than a little pissed about yet another freedom rampage, which might be attributing to my mood.

This stays in this thread: I find socialists more respectable over other Liberals. Its not that I like their issues, its that they are highly principled people who just want a good nation.

Whoever your new friend is (hope it's not Gat's GF, but whatever...) I like what they are doing for you


Actually, even when I was a Republican I still respected them more. As I said, its not about issues; it is about personalities. Socialists stick to their guns. They refuse to compromise many of their core beliefs.
 
2012-07-21 11:34:19 PM

cman: sno man: cman: GAT_00: cman: 2wolves: sno man: the last week or two...

Indeed. And less rational than usual.

To be honest, I have not noticed any change. GAT_00 has always been a principled man who is highly rational. Sure, we all have our brain farts, but GAT isnt in one of them right now.

Well thanks.

And he's right with this. While we may view the light sentence as repugnant, to say it is right for her take the law into her own hands just because we disagree with the sentence is wrong and a slippery slope. What's more, since I would say the same thing for many other cases, to not say the same here would be hypocritical, and I hate hypocrisy.

Also, I'm more than a little pissed about yet another freedom rampage, which might be attributing to my mood.

This stays in this thread: I find socialists more respectable over other Liberals. Its not that I like their issues, its that they are highly principled people who just want a good nation.

Whoever your new friend is (hope it's not Gat's GF, but whatever...) I like what they are doing for you

Actually, even when I was a Republican I still respected them more. As I said, its not about issues; it is about personalities. Socialists stick to their guns. They refuse to compromise many of their core beliefs.


Well that's clearly not me because I'm well known as a compromiser.
 
2012-07-21 11:34:37 PM
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2012-07-21 11:36:31 PM

GAT_00: cman: sno man: cman: GAT_00: cman: 2wolves: sno man: the last week or two...

Indeed. And less rational than usual.

To be honest, I have not noticed any change. GAT_00 has always been a principled man who is highly rational. Sure, we all have our brain farts, but GAT isnt in one of them right now.

Well thanks.

And he's right with this. While we may view the light sentence as repugnant, to say it is right for her take the law into her own hands just because we disagree with the sentence is wrong and a slippery slope. What's more, since I would say the same thing for many other cases, to not say the same here would be hypocritical, and I hate hypocrisy.

Also, I'm more than a little pissed about yet another freedom rampage, which might be attributing to my mood.

This stays in this thread: I find socialists more respectable over other Liberals. Its not that I like their issues, its that they are highly principled people who just want a good nation.

Whoever your new friend is (hope it's not Gat's GF, but whatever...) I like what they are doing for you

Actually, even when I was a Republican I still respected them more. As I said, its not about issues; it is about personalities. Socialists stick to their guns. They refuse to compromise many of their core beliefs.

Well that's clearly not me because I'm well known as a compromiser.


You are for government healthcare, right? That is your ultimate goal. You want nothing less than that. That is your core belief
 
2012-07-21 11:38:31 PM

GAT_00: Exception Collection: She didn't take the law into her own hands.

She released the names, kept undisclosed by the court, of her attackers.


*gasp* She made a statement of fact about a traumatizing event that happened in her life? How horrible!

Seriously. Naming people that attacked you should never, ever be banned. Someone ELSE naming them? I can see that as being a potential issue if they are underage. But the victim? She should have the right to scream their names from the rooftops if she wants to.
 
2012-07-21 11:44:47 PM

cman: GAT_00: cman: sno man: cman: GAT_00: cman: 2wolves: sno man: the last week or two...

Indeed. And less rational than usual.

To be honest, I have not noticed any change. GAT_00 has always been a principled man who is highly rational. Sure, we all have our brain farts, but GAT isnt in one of them right now.

Well thanks.

And he's right with this. While we may view the light sentence as repugnant, to say it is right for her take the law into her own hands just because we disagree with the sentence is wrong and a slippery slope. What's more, since I would say the same thing for many other cases, to not say the same here would be hypocritical, and I hate hypocrisy.

Also, I'm more than a little pissed about yet another freedom rampage, which might be attributing to my mood.

This stays in this thread: I find socialists more respectable over other Liberals. Its not that I like their issues, its that they are highly principled people who just want a good nation.

Whoever your new friend is (hope it's not Gat's GF, but whatever...) I like what they are doing for you

Actually, even when I was a Republican I still respected them more. As I said, its not about issues; it is about personalities. Socialists stick to their guns. They refuse to compromise many of their core beliefs.

Well that's clearly not me because I'm well known as a compromiser.

You are for government healthcare, right? That is your ultimate goal. You want nothing less than that. That is your core belief


you say that like it's a bad thing...
 
2012-07-21 11:46:32 PM

2wolves: We live in a society where girls and women are told to not get raped. Not in a society where we tell boys and men not to rape.


Men get told not to rape here all the time. Usually as it occurs.
 
2012-07-21 11:47:21 PM
I would like to apologize for the stupidity of my state. That's all I have to say.
 
2012-07-21 11:48:01 PM

Exception Collection: GAT_00: Exception Collection: She didn't take the law into her own hands.

She released the names, kept undisclosed by the court, of her attackers.

*gasp* She made a statement of fact about a traumatizing event that happened in her life? How horrible!

Seriously. Naming people that attacked you should never, ever be banned. Someone ELSE naming them? I can see that as being a potential issue if they are underage. But the victim? She should have the right to scream their names from the rooftops if she wants to.


Unless the court says otherwise, which it did.

cman: You are for government healthcare, right?


Aww, I was hoping for a beer up nose comment.

And define 'government' healthcare. I don't really see a reason to go to the British model, but yes I think single-payer is the best solution. That way people who want private insurance can use it within the country. I see little reason to be rid of private insurance, just make it so people aren't reliant on it.

I wouldn't say I have a single overriding issue though. I have like 5 things that I think are #1 issues. There is simply too much farked up with the way we run this country to focus solely on one. Health care, spiraling budgets, the criminal justice system, workers rights, personal rights, getting religion out of everything, making elections fair...

I can't say that one of them is really that much a higher priority than the others.
 
2012-07-21 11:50:16 PM
Considering she named her attackers instead of going "Samuel L Jackson" on them. I think the judge should just shut the fark up.
 
2012-07-21 11:50:45 PM

2wolves: "You were born with a vulva. It's your fault!"

We live in a society where girls and women are told to not get raped. Not in a society where we tell boys and men not to rape.

The U.S. is a curious place.


THIS.

/Is more than slightly pissed off about some of the shiat that passes as 'culture'
//English majors get to watch certain idiots pretend that telling boys 'save the princess = sex' is a good thing and then throw up their hands when the obvious happens.
 
2012-07-21 11:51:25 PM
Donnchadha: It was a juvenile hearing where the identity of the accused is generally not a public matter. I'd agree with you if it was normal adult court, and certainly don't disagree with the sentiment.

This. Sorry, but it's hard to feel outraged here when the girl violated a judges order, and tweeted the names of the accused in Juvenile court.

She didn't go to jail for naming her attackers. She went to jail for violating a court order and making the names of minors in a Juvenile court case public.Submitter brilliantly trolled you all.
 
2012-07-21 11:51:35 PM
Nice war propaganda, subby. Are you are christian fundamentalist or jewish?
 
2012-07-21 11:53:29 PM

sno man: cman: GAT_00: cman: sno man: cman: GAT_00: cman: 2wolves: sno man: the last week or two...

Indeed. And less rational than usual.

To be honest, I have not noticed any change. GAT_00 has always been a principled man who is highly rational. Sure, we all have our brain farts, but GAT isnt in one of them right now.

Well thanks.

And he's right with this. While we may view the light sentence as repugnant, to say it is right for her take the law into her own hands just because we disagree with the sentence is wrong and a slippery slope. What's more, since I would say the same thing for many other cases, to not say the same here would be hypocritical, and I hate hypocrisy.

Also, I'm more than a little pissed about yet another freedom rampage, which might be attributing to my mood.

This stays in this thread: I find socialists more respectable over other Liberals. Its not that I like their issues, its that they are highly principled people who just want a good nation.

Whoever your new friend is (hope it's not Gat's GF, but whatever...) I like what they are doing for you

Actually, even when I was a Republican I still respected them more. As I said, its not about issues; it is about personalities. Socialists stick to their guns. They refuse to compromise many of their core beliefs.

Well that's clearly not me because I'm well known as a compromiser.

You are for government healthcare, right? That is your ultimate goal. You want nothing less than that. That is your core belief

you say that like it's a bad thing...


The fark does any of that have to do with tfa? Anyways we're all not mouth breathing troglodytes in KY and why does it even matter if she named them,besides the gag order,because depending on if they were convicted as juveniles or adults they will be on the Kentucky sex offender registry unless not being on the registry was part of the plea bargain.
 
2012-07-21 11:57:13 PM
Civil suit their asses then hiund them so that they can never own anything of value. People (by which I mean women of all ages) need to understand that if they pass out someone's more than likely gonna fark 'em, but that's wrong and these lads need to be made to understand that.
 
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