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2012-07-21 01:21:13 PM  
An opportunity for FARK to shape the republican platform?
Green light this now!
 
2012-07-21 01:41:35 PM  
Well, less hilarity and more thoughtfully reason. Which is nice.
 
2012-07-21 01:42:39 PM  
Reasonable, even.
 
2012-07-21 02:02:57 PM  
FTFA:

Remove "Pro-Life" from the Party Platform
It has been almost 40 years since Roe v. Wade, and regardless how we feel about it, it is firmly established as the law of the land. In my opinion, it is more important to save our country by preserving liberty (both economic and individual) than to dwell on the abortion issue. If we let our country be destroyed by the Democrats, the abortion issue will hardly matter anyway.

End All Subsidies
End all energy subsidies (especially oil and gas), because they act as barriers to innovation. This will eventually bring down the cost of energy. All forms of energy should be able to compete within the free market.

The Anti-War Party
Bring home the troops and eliminate most basis in foreign countries. Don't spread the military thin across the world. Declare war constitutionally through congress. Become the anti-war party.

800 bases in 120 foriegn nations is too costly and not needed
We are wasting so much on unneeded bases around the globe. Bring the troops and the associated funding back to the states.
We still have the best navy, submarines, long range missiles, stealth bombers and Marines.

Banning Indefinite Detentions
Proposed language:
"While we strongly support our military and our troops in harms way, we cannot allow the sacrifice of our essential liberties to an over reaching federal government. We support the U.S. District Court's ruling to block section 1021 of the 2012 National Defense Authorization Act (NDAA) that allowed for the indefinite military detention of US Citizens..."

Avoid the topic of Same-Sex Marriage
Unfortunately I know most in our party do not agree with me, but I believe that if we continue to push back against Same-Sex marriage it will cause immense damage to our party for years to come. Polls already show that most young-Republicans are either in favor of same-sex marriage or in general do not care about this specific issue.


It's not a bad start. Shedding the DERP might get me to come back to the Party, but right now, the Idiot Brigade and those who prey upon them are far too much in control...
 
2012-07-21 02:07:07 PM  
This is going to end up the worst possible combination of trolls, freepers and Paulestinians.
 
2012-07-21 02:37:59 PM  
Actually, most of those are tremendously good ideas for the GOP. I'm not a Republican, but that's precisely the sort of rational stuff that's been missing from their party for quite awhile.

Removing the pro-life and anti-same-sex marriage topics - while still holding the positions - would do them well with independents.

Seriously, I can honestly understand why someone is pro-life. We all have different opinions as to when life begins. But, yeah, drop it guys. The argument is moot.
 
2012-07-21 02:46:11 PM  

hubiestubert: Avoid the topic of Same-Sex Marriage


If we just dont talk about it, it will go away. HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH
Abstinence program for political issues.
ROFL
 
2012-07-21 02:51:07 PM  
Wow...a lot of these are great ideas. Thankfully, there's no chance in hell that the party can sell the ideas to their moronic followers.
 
2012-07-21 02:53:33 PM  

downstairs: Seriously, I can honestly understand why someone is pro-life. We all have different opinions as to when life begins. But, yeah, drop it guys. The argument is moot.


This. Pro-life is mostly a religious argument, and it's sad that it's almost completely fallen along Democrat and Republican lines. In theory it should have nothing to do with your political view.
 
2012-07-21 03:15:39 PM  

BSABSVR: This is going to end up the worst possible combination of trolls, freepers and Paulestinians.


Yeah. I checked the website and pretty much anyone can sign up, providing some basic info (name, dob, zip)
Who knows if they even check it.

I'm confused as to why they wouldn't at least limit this to registered Republicans. They must know they're inviting trouble.
 
2012-07-21 03:15:42 PM  

DeltaPunch: downstairs: Seriously, I can honestly understand why someone is pro-life. We all have different opinions as to when life begins. But, yeah, drop it guys. The argument is moot.

This. Pro-life is mostly a religious argument, and it's sad that it's almost completely fallen along Democrat and Republican lines. In theory it should have nothing to do with your political view.


Really, at its base its a scientific or philosophical issue. When does life begin? Its one of those questions we can't answer unless we put our own definition of "life" into the equation. But laws need definites. So I'm cool with saying the moment they're born for legal purposes. Or maybe at some obvious point in the pregnancy.

Either way, the legal argument is moot now. Just get over it, ya know.
 
2012-07-21 03:21:18 PM  
I don't think the elites who run the GOP are going to actually bother reading any of the ideas that get posted on that website....but I do applaud the effort of the party to hear what their rank and file think about how to fix things.
 
2012-07-21 03:26:57 PM  

Weaver95: I don't think the elites who run the GOP are going to actually bother reading any of the ideas that get posted on that website....but I do applaud the effort of the party to hear what their rank and file think about how to fix things.


I remember they tried something like this before, and it ended pretty badly. Sadly, I can't recall the particulars. I think Cantor was in charge of that little slice of fail that time around though.
 
2012-07-21 03:29:18 PM  

gimmegimme: Wow...a lot of these are great ideas. Thankfully, there's no chance in hell that the party can sell the ideas to their moronic followers.


Maybe if all the Libertarians snuck into the party they would be able to push out the retard brigade currently occupying the GOP.
 
2012-07-21 03:32:14 PM  

Vodka Zombie: Weaver95: I don't think the elites who run the GOP are going to actually bother reading any of the ideas that get posted on that website....but I do applaud the effort of the party to hear what their rank and file think about how to fix things.

I remember they tried something like this before, and it ended pretty badly. Sadly, I can't recall the particulars. I think Cantor was in charge of that little slice of fail that time around though.


backing away from a pro-life position? never happen. the evangelicals running the show at GOP central would rather see the Republican party destroyed than let go of the abortion issue.
 
2012-07-21 03:44:33 PM  

TsarTom: I'm confused as to why they wouldn't at least limit this to registered Republicans. They must know they're inviting trouble.


After the 'let's have a live webcam of petition signatures to stop Obamacare coming off the printer' debacle? No chance.
 
2012-07-21 03:47:12 PM  

gimmegimme: Wow...a lot of these are great ideas. Thankfully, there's no chance in hell that the party can sell the ideas to their moronic followers.


I'm thinking after the 2012 election the GOP has two options. They can consider modernizing their social stance so they can get with the times and welcome back the center people again. They are no doubt going to deal with fundamentalists standing against the tide but that happens with all political party changes. They could take the accurate libertarian stance of "More social liberties, but still conservative with economics" and not the college stoner Ayn Rand style libertarian stance "Fark you, got mine."

Or they can confirm to the fundamentalist stance and die out in a decade or two.
 
2012-07-21 03:48:07 PM  
I'm going through the 'most popular' section right now, and there is a whole lot of 'Audit The Fed' going on in there.
 
2012-07-21 03:53:13 PM  
single payer
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As retired military I have single payer health insurance from two pockets Medicare and Tricare. It works fine. The government never gets between me and my doctor. I avoid the death panels operated by the private health industry and the lack of competition among providers. It is the only way to bring down the cost nationally and we as Republicans should embrace single payer as a means of bring down costs, including needless overheads, and freeing up national income for other purposes
 
2012-07-21 03:53:27 PM  

Angry Monkey: gimmegimme: Wow...a lot of these are great ideas. Thankfully, there's no chance in hell that the party can sell the ideas to their moronic followers.

Maybe if all the Libertarians snuck into the party they would be able to push out the retard brigade currently occupying the GOP.


They would just move the derp down to the state level (see "The We the People Act").
 
2012-07-21 03:53:45 PM  
They didn't learn much from the last time they tried this, did they?

wonkette.com

"Well, if we only open to our own party members this time, it'll work. Right? Right?"
 
2012-07-21 03:56:29 PM  
Repealing Obamacare is Insufficient

There is a Constitutional crisis that would allow Obamacare to be upheld. Here is a Constitutional Amendment that would fix the damage done by the Obamacare decision and restore Constitutional limits to Federal power.

-----

Section 1 - Congressional power to regulate interstate commerce is limited to regulation of the channels of commerce, products or transactions that actually cross state lines, and persons while engaged in those transactions. Such regulations must apply equally to all states.

Section 2 - Congressional powers to tax or to spend for the general welfare are limited to the furtherance of a specifically enumerated Constitutional power of the Federal Government. "The general welfare" is not itself such a power.

Section 3 - Congressional powers to tax or to spend may not be conditioned on criteria that Congress does not otherwise have authority to regulate from among its specifically enumerated Constitutional powers.

Section 4 - Congress must adopt an annual budget, without which Federal expenditures may not be otherwise authorized, and which budget shall be, except during states of war declared by Congress, in balance each year between expense and revenue. During declared states of war, only expenditures expressly for the declared war may exceed budgeted revenue. When the United States carries any debt, the annual budget approved by Congress must have at least 10% fewer expenses than revenue, with the excess revenue appropriated to debt reduction.

Section 5 - Any tax on the citizens of the United States must be equally apportioned by State according to the census and collected by the states as they see fit. The Sixteenth Amendment to the United States Constitution is hereby repealed.

Section 6 - All pre-existing statutes or portions of statutes to the contrary will be void two years after final ratification of this Amendment.


/it has seven people seconding it
 
2012-07-21 03:56:33 PM  
I dunno -- these seem like provisions conservatives would support. Not sure what that has to do with the Republican Party.
 
2012-07-21 03:56:48 PM  
Just based off of the couple ideas listed, I would strongly consider voting for a party with that platform. But, since its the Republican party, it'll never happen, so I'll stick with voting for someone else.
 
2012-07-21 03:57:48 PM  
Where's Weedlord BonerHitler?
 
2012-07-21 03:58:41 PM  
Regarding abortion and gay marriage:

Those are the correct position to take, but we all know that the Party of Small Government will never relinquish their incessant legislation of morality.
 
2012-07-21 03:59:43 PM  
Kittypie070: Where's Weedlord BonerHitler?

conspiring with Gene Masseth
 
2012-07-21 04:00:24 PM  

Kittypie070: Where's Weedlord BonerHitler?


Sorry, I only respond to queries addressed to NippyVonBucktooth...

Gotta stay strong for my Mother's people, yo.
 
2012-07-21 04:00:34 PM  
I don't agree with getting rid of foreign military bases, though. I think they are costly, and I'm all for cutting back on military spending, but we need a military that is leaner, faster, and has the flexibility to respond to crises around the world. Plus, by spreading it out, it would make us less vulnerable and gives more countries a stake in any attack on us.
 
2012-07-21 04:02:27 PM  

WizardofToast: gimmegimme: Wow...a lot of these are great ideas. Thankfully, there's no chance in hell that the party can sell the ideas to their moronic followers.

I'm thinking after the 2012 election the GOP has two options. They can consider modernizing their social stance so they can get with the times and welcome back the center people again. They are no doubt going to deal with fundamentalists standing against the tide but that happens with all political party changes. They could take the accurate libertarian stance of "More social liberties, but still conservative with economics" and not the college stoner Ayn Rand style libertarian stance "Fark you, got mine."

Or they can confirm to the fundamentalist stance and die out in a decade or two.


That's much less likely to happen now that they've got Mittens. They view him as a centrist because of his past. A friend of mine is convinced that next time they'll run Santorum.
 
2012-07-21 04:03:58 PM  
...okay, so I'm counting five Cabinet departments (HUD, Energy, Education, Agriculture, Transportation), four agencies (IRS, FAA, TSA, EPA), and two amendments (16th, 17th) that these people want gone. And also there's nullification brought up.
 
2012-07-21 04:05:30 PM  
Seems like a great idea.
Just convinced that none of the common sense issues will ever enter the platform.
 
2012-07-21 04:06:42 PM  

SphericalTime: A friend of mine is convinced that next time they'll run Santorum.


Well, next time it's his turn, right?
 
2012-07-21 04:07:55 PM  
aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaah I'm still not gonna vote for them if they pseudoclean up their Thing.
 
2012-07-21 04:08:01 PM  

DeltaPunch: downstairs: Seriously, I can honestly understand why someone is pro-life. We all have different opinions as to when life begins. But, yeah, drop it guys. The argument is moot.

This. Pro-life is mostly a religious argument, and it's sad that it's almost completely fallen along Democrat and Republican lines. In theory it should have nothing to do with your political view.


This just in: People that don't believe in an invisible man in the sky tend to support a different political party than those that do. So sad.
 
2012-07-21 04:09:06 PM  

DeltaPunch: Pro-life is mostly a religious argument, and it's sad that


... it isn't backed up by the Christian Bible. It's a Catholic Church doctrine.

Genesis 2:7 "And God breathed into the form the breath of life and man became a living soul."

No breath, no soul, no person.
 
2012-07-21 04:10:04 PM  
Well ya know, these people could sit around wishing the GOP would do these things, or they could, you know, vote for the party that at least represents some of them.

But Republicans are stupid herd animals that crave authoritarians to tell them what to do, so that is probably beyond them.
 
2012-07-21 04:10:47 PM  
They're never going to throw their "Contract On America" out. It's pretty much their foundation.

Anyone who subscribes to those ideas and is still fiscally conservative -- there's plenty of room in the Democratic tent for that.
 
2012-07-21 04:12:09 PM  

Kittypie070: Where's Weedlord BonerHitler?


I don't remember the password to that account.
 
2012-07-21 04:12:25 PM  

gimmegimme: Wow...a lot of these are great ideas. Thankfully, there's no chance in hell that the party can sell the ideas to their moronic followers.


What do you mean, thankfully? This would be a better, much more functional nation if there was a serious, reasonable opposition party. As it is, we're given a choice between total mediocrity and batshyt insanity; if the Republicans got their shiat together the Democrats would be forced to up their game.
 
2012-07-21 04:15:10 PM  
natazha: DeltaPunch: Pro-life is mostly a religious argument, and it's sad that

... it isn't backed up by the Christian Bible. It's a Catholic Church doctrine.

Genesis 2:7 "And God breathed into the form the breath of life and man became a living soul."

No breath, no soul, no person.


LOTR: "...and into this Ring he poured his cruelty, his malice, and his will to dominate all life."

Seems as solid a foundation for politics based on fantasy.
 
2012-07-21 04:16:41 PM  

TsarTom: BSABSVR: This is going to end up the worst possible combination of trolls, freepers and Paulestinians.

Yeah. I checked the website and pretty much anyone can sign up, providing some basic info (name, dob, zip)
Who knows if they even check it.

I'm confused as to why they wouldn't at least limit this to registered Republicans. They must know they're inviting trouble.


Because they already know what the 15 registered republicans will say?
 
2012-07-21 04:17:08 PM  

mat catastrophe: They didn't learn much from the last time they tried this, did they?

[wonkette.com image 494x341]

"Well, if we only open to our own party members this time, it'll work. Right? Right?"


Is that real? I can't even think of a more succinct description of the modern GOP than "Truck Nutz for all!"

/Would be nice if they took some of the more sensible suggestions to heart...
 
2012-07-21 04:18:03 PM  

Weaver95: I don't think the elites who run the GOP are going to actually bother reading any of the ideas that get posted on that website....but I do applaud the effort of the party to hear what their rank and file think about how to fix things.


And when it's shown that the GOP platform had nothing to do with the open-sourced request for items on the platform, it will clearly show that the GOP is out of touch with their own members.
 
2012-07-21 04:19:40 PM  
Kind of shoots a hole in the theory that Republicans are evil barbarian retards.

I'll be standing by to move the No True Scotsman alert level to 11.
 
2012-07-21 04:19:47 PM  

Weaver95: Vodka Zombie: Weaver95: I don't think the elites who run the GOP are going to actually bother reading any of the ideas that get posted on that website....but I do applaud the effort of the party to hear what their rank and file think about how to fix things.

I remember they tried something like this before, and it ended pretty badly. Sadly, I can't recall the particulars. I think Cantor was in charge of that little slice of fail that time around though.

backing away from a pro-life position? never happen. the evangelicals running the show at GOP central would rather see the Republican party destroyed than let go of the abortion issue.


Being that Roe v Wade is one of the biggest money-making issues for the GOP, why would they want to actually reverse R v W and at the same time ignore the abortion issue?
 
2012-07-21 04:20:29 PM  

WizardofToast: gimmegimme: Wow...a lot of these are great ideas. Thankfully, there's no chance in hell that the party can sell the ideas to their moronic followers.

I'm thinking after the 2012 election the GOP has two options. They can consider modernizing their social stance so they can get with the times and welcome back the center people again. They are no doubt going to deal with fundamentalists standing against the tide but that happens with all political party changes. They could take the accurate libertarian stance of "More social liberties, but still conservative with economics" and not the college stoner Ayn Rand style libertarian stance "Fark you, got mine."

Or they can confirm to the fundamentalist stance and die out in a decade or two.


It's virtually guaranteed that they will pick the latter if Romney loses. Not only will the most singularly incompetent and evil person who will ever walk on this planet be president for a second term, but they will believe it happened because they were too conciliatory and compromising with the enemy. Evidence: while three out of four Obama voters plan on voting for him because they like him, one out of two Romney voters plan on voting for him because they hate Obama. They don't like Romney, but they would vote for a dendrophiliac toaster over Obama.
 
2012-07-21 04:20:50 PM  

malaktaus: gimmegimme: Wow...a lot of these are great ideas. Thankfully, there's no chance in hell that the party can sell the ideas to their moronic followers.

What do you mean, thankfully? This would be a better, much more functional nation if there was a serious, reasonable opposition party. As it is, we're given a choice between total mediocrity and batshyt insanity; if the Republicans got their shiat together the Democrats would be forced to up their game.


I say "thankfully" because voting for a Republican is a masochistic act for anyone who makes under a million bucks a year. The GOP seems unwilling or unable to purge the significant portion of crazy people in their increasingly smaller tent.
 
2012-07-21 04:20:52 PM  

Gosling: Repealing Obamacare is Insufficient

There is a Constitutional crisis that would allow Obamacare to be upheld. Here is a Constitutional Amendment that would fix the damage done by the Obamacare decision and restore Constitutional limits to Federal power.

-----

Section 1 - Congressional power to regulate interstate commerce is limited to regulation of the channels of commerce, products or transactions that actually cross state lines, and persons while engaged in those transactions. Such regulations must apply equally to all states.

Section 2 - Congressional powers to tax or to spend for the general welfare are limited to the furtherance of a specifically enumerated Constitutional power of the Federal Government. "The general welfare" is not itself such a power.

Section 3 - Congressional powers to tax or to spend may not be conditioned on criteria that Congress does not otherwise have authority to regulate from among its specifically enumerated Constitutional powers.

Section 4 - Congress must adopt an annual budget, without which Federal expenditures may not be otherwise authorized, and which budget shall be, except during states of war declared by Congress, in balance each year between expense and revenue. During declared states of war, only expenditures expressly for the declared war may exceed budgeted revenue. When the United States carries any debt, the annual budget approved by Congress must have at least 10% fewer expenses than revenue, with the excess revenue appropriated to debt reduction.

Section 5 - Any tax on the citizens of the United States must be equally apportioned by State according to the census and collected by the states as they see fit. The Sixteenth Amendment to the United States Constitution is hereby repealed.

Section 6 - All pre-existing statutes or portions of statutes to the contrary will be void two years after final ratification of this Amendment.

/it has seven people seconding it



What's wrong with this?
 
2012-07-21 04:23:41 PM  

paygun: Kind of shoots a hole in the theory that Republicans are evil barbarian retards.

I'll be standing by to move the No True Scotsman alert level to 11.


Anybody can post. Anybody.
 
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