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2012-07-21 12:35:09 PM  

Weaver95: paygun: He's trying (and failing) to make an argument for smaller government. Cool, now let's talk about abortion, gay marriage, the war on drugs, and separation of church and state. Still want to talk about smaller government?

or legalizing cannabis.

GOP: 'states rights! I want my local government to make abortion illegal 'cause STATES RIGHTS!'
average voter: 'so...if I get you right, then I can make file trading legal and cannabis can be sold over the counter?'
GOP: *twitch*
average voter: 'and gays can get married too, 'cause 'states rights' says so. hmm. I'm starting to like this 'states rights thing''
GOP: [gibber] *drool* [screaming] 'THAT'S NOT WHAT STATE'S RIGHTS MEANS YOU IGNORANT MORON!'
average voter: 'but...that's what...
GOP: [cuts off average voter]: 'NO NO NO NO NO! YOU DON'T UNNERSTAND! STFU COMMIE! STFU! i TELL YOU WHAT YOU DO! *I TELL YOU*, GET IT!?'
average voter: *blinks* 'i'm going to see about um...picking up the mail. you...uh, you stay here and i'll be back in a bit, ok?'
GOP: [breathing heavy] *muttering to self* 'he thinks HE knows about states' rights, I know about states rights 'cause i'm all ABOUT states rights, gotdamn commies is what they are...'


Pretty much this. Damn, Weaver, you're taking my jerb away. ;)

So why are these anti-government types voting Republican? The Republicans have been around for over a century, and are pretty much THE government. Therefore, the most ideologically honest thing for conservatives to do is not vote at all. I mean, are they creating the government that holds them down?

Yeah, I know: it doesn't fit the sad faux-revolutionary narrative that these sad, pathetic people want. It masks their real fascist beliefs that if only everything was forced to be like them--sad, angry, unfulfilled, and suffering from serious mental issues--than everything would be perfect just like it wasn't in the '50s/1776/whenever the fark utopia was here. But you would think that would bother these enormous pussies enough so their brains would start working.
 
2012-07-21 12:35:30 PM  

Glicky: hubiestubert: Everyone knows that State Universities don't do jack for anyone, nor do education grants.

Though I know you are being snarky, a brief CSB.

Before the completion of my state degree I was making $32k a year. 10 years after graduating, $120k. Good investment for the state or not?


Bad investment. If you hadn't gotten the degree, your employer could have hired 4 people for $32k instead of you for $120k. Why do you hate job creators?
 
2012-07-21 12:36:00 PM  
And people on the left wonder why they're accused of being in favor of an all-encompassing big government or treated as if they're anti-individual.

When given the chance you insult the individual and aggrandize gov't.
 
2012-07-21 12:36:04 PM  
This just in:

The GOP and its media machine are still retarded.
 
2012-07-21 12:39:16 PM  

mekki: Serious Question Time: When did the idea of "everything that is the private sector is and will forever be better than anything the government sector can offer" come into fruition? Because as we've seen this is lately, more times than not, not always the case.

If it was up to the private sector, we would be eating apples made from sawdust with NEW! and IMPROVED APPLE FLAVORING because it would be cheaper to produce than actual apples. It's the government that keeps the private sector in line.

And when the government sector does actual good, people always claim that it is the private sector at work. Hence, the protest signs of GOVERNMENT, HANDS OFF MY MEDICARE!

When did this idea form and how come it is so hard to shake?


It started around Reagan.

A lot of people agree with left-wing ideas and stances, but the left has COMPLETELY lost the battle over whether or not government is good.

When's the last time you even saw this question addressed from the left? Not addressed over an issue, like saying that Obamacare is good because it does X, Y, and Z.

When was the last time you saw anyone try to make a public argument that government is inherently necessary and helpful? Everything is "Obamacare is good even though it comes from the government!" Which assumes that government is most likely bad.
 
2012-07-21 12:40:21 PM  

Guntram Shatterhand: The Republicans have been around for over a century, and are pretty much THE government.


Wrong on both counts. The GOP is almost 200 years old. And for the past 80 years the Republicans were shut out of Congress for the bulk of it since the 1930s saw Democrats solidify their hold on Congress and keep it till the 1990s.
 
2012-07-21 12:40:29 PM  
What I really don't understand is this. The right wing says (in theory) that it wants a free and fair economic playing field that doesn't unfairly benefit special interests. At the same time, conservatives are actively facilitating corruption. They argue that a corporation - as a person - has a constitutional right to donate as much money as they want to support a candidate, and that these contributions shouldn't be made public, for fears of "demonizing" those corporations.

So to summarize: A for-profit corporation's sole purpose - by definition - is to make a profit. Free market principles dictate that corporations shouldn't get special benefits from the government, because that's the government interfering with the perfectly efficient free market.

But, corporations are equivalent to natural citizens (and presumably have interests identical to any natural citizen). Therefore, corporations have a constitutional right to lobby the government to do things. Since any given corporation exists in a competitive market, and its only purpose is to makea profit, that corporation will presumably lobby the government to pass laws that will increase that corporation's profits. Since money is speech (for some reason), the corporation is has a constitutional right to spend as much as it wants to promote candidates and laws that will benefit corporate profits.

Oh, and on a final note, a corporation that spends money to get a law that increases its profits passed shouldn't be required to disclose those expenditures. Making them do that would reveal what the corporation was up to (gaming the system to get an unfair advantage), and then it would be "vilified" by the public.


To summarize my post - the GOP's platform is to pay lip service to the "free market" without "government handouts," while actively doing everything within its power to protect the "right" of corporate special interests to secretly spend as much money as they want to get candidates in office to pass laws that will give them special government handouts, contrary to the free market.
 
2012-07-21 12:41:14 PM  

jjorsett: and TV host whose products' are trasmitted over public airway

You know, I never realized that the government actually created the electromagnetic spectrum. Thanks, government!

[i49.tinypic.com image 280x339]


Marconi's work was largely government subsidized. This is why the harnessing of the electromagnetic spectrum over
the airwaves remains publicly owned.

You must be homeschooled.
 
2012-07-21 12:41:20 PM  

Mrbogey: And people on the left wonder why they're accused of being in favor of an all-encompassing big government or treated as if they're anti-individual.

When given the chance you insult the individual and aggrandize gov't.


Hardly. This thread seems more to acknowledge the role of government and insult the defective individuals.
 
2012-07-21 12:42:34 PM  

Weaver95: GOP: 'states rights! I want my local government to make abortion illegal 'cause STATES RIGHTS!'
average voter: 'so...if I get you right, then I can make file trading legal and cannabis can be sold over the counter?'
GOP: *twitch*
average voter: 'and gays can get married too, 'cause 'states rights' says so. hmm. I'm starting to like this 'states rights thing''
GOP: [gibber] *drool* [screaming] 'THAT'S NOT WHAT STATE'S RIGHTS MEANS YOU IGNORANT MORON!'
average voter: 'but...that's what...
GOP: [cuts off average voter]: 'NO NO NO NO NO! YOU DON'T UNNERSTAND! STFU COMMIE! STFU! i TELL YOU WHAT YOU DO! *I TELL YOU*, GET IT!?'
average voter: *blinks* 'i'm going to see about um...picking up the mail. you...uh, you stay here and i'll be back in a bit, ok?'
GOP: [breathing heavy] *muttering to self* 'he thinks HE knows about states' rights, I know about states rights 'cause i'm all ABOUT states rights, gotdamn commies is what they are...'


Behold the strawman. Amazing how the easiest way to win an argument with Republicans is when you argue their side as well. Amazing.

That you don't realize how retarded your exchange with yourself is, is an indictment upon you.
 
2012-07-21 12:42:37 PM  

Dafatone: When was the last time you saw anyone try to make a public argument that government is inherently necessary and helpful? Everything is "Obamacare is good even though it comes from the government!" Which assumes that government is most likely bad.


You should read more of my posts. I get criticized for this point of view quite a bit. My favorite was the guy that used the $800 toilet seat as an example of government inefficiency - when the toilet seat was purchased from a private company!

I challenge anyone in this thread to show me something government is less efficient than private corporations at. Government doesn't have to take profit out of revenue, so with equivalent operating costs, government is always more efficient.
 
2012-07-21 12:42:49 PM  

Mrbogey: And people on the left wonder why they're accused of being in favor of an all-encompassing big government or treated as if they're anti-individual.

When given the chance you insult the individual and aggrandize gov't.


Oh, we're not insulting Bill O'Reilly. We're mocking him.

You too must be home schooled.
 
2012-07-21 12:43:48 PM  

Chummer45: What I really don't understand is this. The right wing says (in theory) that it wants a free and fair economic playing field that doesn't unfairly benefit special interests. At the same time, conservatives are actively facilitating corruption. They argue that a corporation - as a person - has a constitutional right to donate as much money as they want to support a candidate, and that these contributions shouldn't be made public, for fears of "demonizing" those corporations.

So to summarize: A for-profit corporation's sole purpose - by definition - is to make a profit. Free market principles dictate that corporations shouldn't get special benefits from the government, because that's the government interfering with the perfectly efficient free market.

But, corporations are equivalent to natural citizens (and presumably have interests identical to any natural citizen). Therefore, corporations have a constitutional right to lobby the government to do things. Since any given corporation exists in a competitive market, and its only purpose is to makea profit, that corporation will presumably lobby the government to pass laws that will increase that corporation's profits. Since money is speech (for some reason), the corporation is has a constitutional right to spend as much as it wants to promote candidates and laws that will benefit corporate profits.

Oh, and on a final note, a corporation that spends money to get a law that increases its profits passed shouldn't be required to disclose those expenditures. Making them do that would reveal what the corporation was up to (gaming the system to get an unfair advantage), and then it would be "vilified" by the public.


To summarize my post - the GOP's platform is to pay lip service to the "free market" without "government handouts," while actively doing everything within its power to protect the "right" of corporate special interests to secretly spend as much money as they want to get candidates in office to pass laws that will give them special government handouts, contrary to the free market.


Yes
 
2012-07-21 12:45:27 PM  

jjorsett: and TV host whose products' are trasmitted over public airway

You know, I never realized that the government actually created the electromagnetic spectrum. Thanks, government!

[i49.tinypic.com image 280x339]


The government gives structure to the airwaves so it's not unwieldy to fulfill your purposes in broadcasting. It's just like government regulation of public resources i.e. water, electricity, etc.
 
2012-07-21 12:45:41 PM  

heavymetal: These idiots just don't get it. While the specific service and/or product itself might be a product of their hard work, the infrastructure which provided the conditions and stability to allow it to prosper were provoded by the government. I think the biggest problem is like with good officiating in a sporting event, you just don't notice good governance. The instances of bad governance stand out like a sore thumb, but good governance is almost invisible. People in California notice the roving blackouts, but the people in the Tennessee Valley seem to be oblivious of the benefits the Tennessee Valley Authority provides and have provided them. In my city we have the TVA to provide affordable energy and make the Tennessee river navigable for commerce. We have a huge army base & NASA center providing thousands of jobs & millionsof dollars into te local economy basically shielding our local economy from the Bush recession. Yet listening to most locals (even the government workers), they are the most self-sufficient and bootstrappy people ever who don't need the government meddling in their lives.


They do get it, but what you fail to get is that we all paid for government. It belongs to all of us and by definition exists to benefit us.
 
2012-07-21 12:45:52 PM  

Hobodeluxe: Chummer45: It's impressive how much cognitive dissonance you need to believe that federal, state, and municipal governments only impede the "free market" and don't do anything to benefit it.

Business interests have cultivated this anti-government view brilliantly. By convincing a large number of people that "generally speaking, the government sucks at regulating the economy and only hinders business," they have an instant, standardized reason for opposing any regulation that either levels the playing field, or hurts their bottom line.

What's lost in the mix is that the people buying into this absurd, overgeneralized proposition tend to not even be conscious of the fact the fact that every facet of our economy is dependent on adequate government regulations, and the government providing adequate infrastructure, education, safety, and other public goods.

Only in this day and age, with this massive, ingrained cognitive dissonance, could half of the country be "outraged" that the president pointed that out. And the special interests will bark on, extolling the virtues of the free market and calling Obama a socialist, while at the same time they spend millions of dollars to elect candidates and lobby for laws or tax breaks that will unfairly benefit their business at the expense of the "free market."

unfortunately legislation is part of the free market. sold to the highest bidder.


Exactly. GOP voters and tea partiers are vote for a party that claims to be interested in "free markets," but is profoundly against passing laws to ensure that the market is efficiently regulated, free and fair to all participants. And is profoundly for unlimited, confidential campaign contributions so those at the top of the market can get candidates elected who will give them special treatment.
 
2012-07-21 12:45:56 PM  

rohar: Hardly. This thread seems more to acknowledge the role of government and insult the defective individuals.


Hey, when some people see a dog taking a crap on a sidewalk some, like myself, see crap. Others, like Divine, see a tasty brownie. I'm not surprised all you see are brownies in this thread.

Newsflash: Conservative see a proper need for gov't too. The straw men built in this thread not withstanding.
 
2012-07-21 12:46:05 PM  

paygun: mekki: Serious Question Time: When did the idea of "everything that is the private sector is and will forever be better than anything the government sector can offer" come into fruition?

It came about as an answer to "corporations are evil" which is equally retarded.


No, it came about as an answer to "Boy, the voters really hate our Republican asses after Watergate. What can we do to shift that hate away from ourselves?"
 
2012-07-21 12:48:01 PM  

tomWright: derp


Shhhh! Quiet, everybody!

Did any of you hear something? Just now?

No?

Must be my imagination.
 
2012-07-21 12:48:08 PM  

Mrbogey: And people on the left wonder why they're accused of being in favor of an all-encompassing big government or treated as if they're anti-individual.

When given the chance you insult the individual and aggrandize gov't.


It's funny to hear a fist-pounding, pants-pissing teabagger champion the "individual" when said teabagger wouldn't know how to wipe his own ass if it wasn't explained to him by

a) a Republican congress creep
b) the church
c) the Chamber of Commerce
d) a morbidly obese, pudding-seeking sociopath
e) someone who listens to the aforementioned sociopath, aka a "Dittohead"

Try thinking for yourself, chuckles. It opens you up to lots of new experiences.

The only negative thing you'll experience will be the stretching pain you'll feel as your head comes out of your ass.
 
2012-07-21 12:48:10 PM  

Mrbogey: That you don't realize how retarded your exchange with yourself is, is an indictment upon you.


You're also completely wrong, but I won't say why because then I'd have to defend it and to tell you the truth I've got nothing. But anyway you're completely wrong and I refuse to say why.
 
2012-07-21 12:49:13 PM  

Mrbogey: Newsflash: Conservative see a proper need for gov't too. The straw men built in this thread not withstanding.


www.backfirealley.com

"Yeah, you just keep right on thinking that."
 
2012-07-21 12:49:46 PM  
tomWright = the reason no one takes Libertarians seriously.
 
2012-07-21 12:49:48 PM  

HeartBurnKid: No, it came about as an answer to "Boy, the voters really hate our Republican asses after Watergate. What can we do to shift that hate away from ourselves?"


Well, one side is the good guys and one side is the bad guys. Everyone knows that.
 
2012-07-21 12:50:24 PM  

Dafatone: A lot of people agree with left-wing ideas and stances, but the left has COMPLETELY lost the battle over whether or not government is good.

When's the last time you even saw this question addressed from the left? Not addressed over an issue, like saying that Obamacare is good because it does X, Y, and Z.

When was the last time you saw anyone try to make a public argument that government is inherently necessary and helpful? Everything is "Obamacare is good even though it comes from the government!" Which assumes that government is most likely bad.


Military and the right
 
2012-07-21 12:50:37 PM  

Mrbogey: rohar: Hardly. This thread seems more to acknowledge the role of government and insult the defective individuals.

Hey, when some people see a dog taking a crap on a sidewalk some, like myself, see crap. Others, like Divine, see a tasty brownie. I'm not surprised all you see are brownies in this thread.

Newsflash: Conservative see a proper need for gov't too. The straw men built in this thread not withstanding.


I agree with you - but then, how does Citizens United make any sense? Profit-driven special interests should have the unfettered right to spend money to elect candidates, who will then presumably pass laws that will increase the profits of those private special interests?

True conservatives would want money out of politics and strict ethics rules, because that would avoid the situation where an elected official is improperly influenced to tinker with the "free market."

Instead, the GOP is taking conservatives down this idiotic path where they fool the people into thinking that a special interest making massive campaign contributions is not only not a problem, but is that special interest's god-given constitutional right, and that right is critical for a "free society" to thrive.
 
2012-07-21 12:51:14 PM  

Mrbogey: rohar: Hardly. This thread seems more to acknowledge the role of government and insult the defective individuals.

Hey, when some people see a dog taking a crap on a sidewalk some, like myself, see crap. Others, like Divine, see a tasty brownie. I'm not surprised all you see are brownies in this thread.

Newsflash: Conservative see a proper need for gov't too. The straw men built in this thread not withstanding.


The proper role of government being to enrich the wealthy, punish the poor, keep women from making basic decions and ensuring that gays are denied equal rights?
 
2012-07-21 12:51:16 PM  

Mrbogey: Newsflash: Conservative see a proper need for gov't too.


Well, besides convincing brown people that this isn't a country they want to live in, and enforcing the Christian faith on everyone else, what would that need be?
 
2012-07-21 12:51:38 PM  

hubiestubert: What most folks fail to realize that the "government" that they complain about so vociferously about are our employees. Doing what we ask them to do. With specific mandates and specific instructions. This government isn't imposed upon us by some outside source. It is by, of, and for the people.

The government IS us. All of us. It's supposed to enable us to succeed, because we keep asking it to do things to allow that. Clean air, clean water, safety net so old people don't die in the streets, food standards, keeping our kids out of work houses, no selling of citizens to other citizens, putting out fires, catching the guy who stole your car, supporting tech that isn't necessarily profitable, but is still important, keeping a supply of medicines that aren't necessarily needed now, but might be down the road.

Some folks really hate that.

But it doesn't keep them from using what they've paid for, or asking for more...



For the life of me I can't understand why this isn't blindingly obvious to most people. WE put people in office to represent US; WE get to remove people from office if they do things we don't like; WE set the agenda by telling our representatives what is important to us; WE all pay into this system of representation through taxes. At the scale of nation- and state-wide institutions, there is nothing designed to be more responsive to the broad swath of people's needs than government.

And yet, people (i.e. Republicans) talk about government as if it were some alien entity, just sort of hovering there detached from all human experience. They make it out to be some monolithic and malevolent force which must always be beaten down so we human beings can solve our problems on our own. And all the while, they go on about how awesome the Free Market is, because it supposedly makes corporations answerable to their consumers --but when was the last time your average Joe had any input about who would become the CEO?
 
2012-07-21 12:52:02 PM  
If you libtards will excuse me, I have to go win the Cold War by myself.
 
2012-07-21 12:52:25 PM  

Mrbogey: rohar: Hardly. This thread seems more to acknowledge the role of government and insult the defective individuals.

Hey, when some people see a dog taking a crap on a sidewalk some, like myself, see crap. Others, like Divine, see a tasty brownie. I'm not surprised all you see are brownies in this thread.

Newsflash: Conservative see a proper need for gov't too. The straw men built in this thread not withstanding.


Oh no, we clearly see you taking a crap all over this thread.
 
2012-07-21 12:53:40 PM  
Also, as Andrew Sullivan pointed out recently, every rightist's favorite quote from Reagan (peace be upon him) is incomplete. The full quote is "In this current crisis, government isn't the solution to the problem, government is the problem."

But, as Willard is trying to prove, plenty on the right are too stupid to deal with things like context and complete quotes.
 
2012-07-21 12:53:58 PM  

Mrbogey:

That you don't realize how retarded your exchange with yourself is, is an indictment upon you.


no, i'm illustrating a point...what I hear from the GOP is that they want 'states rights' right up until someone does something that they don't like, and then all the sudden the Republicans start crying for 'big government' regulation. If you want to take a stand for states' rights then accept that people WILL do things that aren't in line with an authoritarian central government and that there is nothing you can do about it.
 
2012-07-21 12:54:06 PM  

Chummer45: Instead, the GOP is taking conservatives down this idiotic path where they fool the people into thinking that a special interest making massive campaign contributions is not only not a problem, but is that special interest's god-given constitutional right, and that right is critical for a "free society" to thrive.


As usual, it's okay as long as our side is the one raising the most money. You're exactly right, it's clearly the opposite of a small government position. And as usual, it's sold to stupid people with truckloads of bullshiat.
 
2012-07-21 12:55:11 PM  

Weaver95: what I hear from the GOP is that they want 'states rights' right up until someone does something that they don't like


More specifically, unless it's a sin.
 
2012-07-21 12:56:46 PM  
For a group of people who claim to be all about 'personal freedom', the tea baggers and Republican shills seem to be very authoritarian in their approach to life. they want to be free by placing as many people in shackles as possible and then they expect us all to thank them for locking down society.
 
2012-07-21 12:57:57 PM  
O'Rielly: People can succeed without government. As examples: two athletes whose offices' were constructed with city bonds along with a singer and TV host whose products' are trasmitted over public airways


Government schooling failed you, dipshiatmitter.

Seriously, take some grammar lessons and learn how to spell.


Leftists are the dumbest people on the planet.
 
2012-07-21 12:58:25 PM  

paygun: Weaver95: what I hear from the GOP is that they want 'states rights' right up until someone does something that they don't like

More specifically, unless it's a sin.


I still can't find a way to reconcile a 'smaller/less invasive government' philosophy with a pro-life 'big government/shut it down forever' approach to controlling woman's health issues. you can't be both at the same time.
 
2012-07-21 12:59:13 PM  

HeartBurnKid: This is what you get when conservatives try to be funny.


"1/2 hour news hour" comes to mind

with similar cringing and wincing
 
2012-07-21 01:00:34 PM  

Crude:

Leftists are the dumbest people on the planet.


hmm. haven't seen this one before either.

lots of accounts like this one suddenly going live. dormant for a while, and only popping up recently.
 
2012-07-21 01:01:54 PM  

Weaver95: Crude:

Leftists are the dumbest people on the planet.

hmm. haven't seen this one before either.

lots of accounts like this one suddenly going live. dormant for a while, and only popping up recently.


I've been noticing that too. It's like Whack-A-Tard.

/At least my ignore list is getting fleshed out
 
2012-07-21 01:02:12 PM  

Weaver95: I still can't find a way to reconcile a 'smaller/less invasive government' philosophy with a pro-life 'big government/shut it down forever' approach to controlling woman's health issues. you can't be both at the same time.


There's no reason to look at it as some kind of ideological position. Obviously you can take positions on issues that are completely arbitrary as long as you can sell it with enough bullshiat. I know you listen to Limbaugh, that's what he does for a living.
 
2012-07-21 01:02:50 PM  

ox45tallboy: Dafatone: When was the last time you saw anyone try to make a public argument that government is inherently necessary and helpful? Everything is "Obamacare is good even though it comes from the government!" Which assumes that government is most likely bad.

You should read more of my posts. I get criticized for this point of view quite a bit. My favorite was the guy that used the $800 toilet seat as an example of government inefficiency - when the toilet seat was purchased from a private company!


I can't speak to the specific case of the $800 toilet seat, but I've noticed that sometimes what seems like wasteful spending is really a case where either there's no off-the-shelf product that does the job (and thus something has to be custom-developed), or the cheap product won't meet the needs of the government agency.

For example, I've spent the last few years working for a defense contractor that charges high prices and often receives no-bid contracts. On the surface, that sounds pretty wasteful, but we work on defense jobs that require very highly-skilled staff and high-quality technical solutions, and we ALWAYS deliver. If our customers gave one of our typical jobs to the lowest bidder, the final product would most likely not work correctly, or it would need to be rebooted several times a day, or otherwise would not be worth the investment.

I tend to think of it this way: if you're tuning up or repairing a bicycle, do you spend $3 for a brake wire that's going to break in 2 years, or do you spend $9 for a wire that will last 10 years? Even if the total cost of ownership comes out close to the same, sometimes having something that "just works" is worth paying extra up-front.
 
2012-07-21 01:03:05 PM  

Weaver95: Crude:

Leftists are the dumbest people on the planet.

hmm. haven't seen this one before either.

lots of accounts like this one suddenly going live. dormant for a while, and only popping up recently.


It's An Election Troll.
 
2012-07-21 01:03:47 PM  

Mearen: heavymetal: These idiots just don't get it. While the specific service and/or product itself might be a product of their hard work, the infrastructure which provided the conditions and stability to allow it to prosper were provoded by the government. I think the biggest problem is like with good officiating in a sporting event, you just don't notice good governance. The instances of bad governance stand out like a sore thumb, but good governance is almost invisible. People in California notice the roving blackouts, but the people in the Tennessee Valley seem to be oblivious of the benefits the Tennessee Valley Authority provides and have provided them. In my city we have the TVA to provide affordable energy and make the Tennessee river navigable for commerce. We have a huge army base & NASA center providing thousands of jobs & millionsof dollars into te local economy basically shielding our local economy from the Bush recession. Yet listening to most locals (even the government workers), they are the most self-sufficient and bootstrappy people ever who don't need the government meddling in their lives.

They do get it, but what you fail to get is that we all paid for government. It belongs to all of us and by definition exists to benefit us.


No, I understand that. You must fail at reading comprehension to even try to say I think that.

With that being said, no they don't get it. If they did they wouldn't be trying to slowly tear it all apart and destroy their livelihood and the system which underpins their success.
 
2012-07-21 01:04:37 PM  
 
2012-07-21 01:05:36 PM  

Snarcoleptic_Hoosier: Weaver95: Crude:

Leftists are the dumbest people on the planet.

hmm. haven't seen this one before either.

lots of accounts like this one suddenly going live. dormant for a while, and only popping up recently.

I've been noticing that too. It's like Whack-A-Tard.

/At least my ignore list is getting fleshed out


a lot of these accounts were created around august of 2007, active only up till the election, and then went dormant. Now they're being reactivated. it's a rather curious pattern of activity.
 
2012-07-21 01:06:20 PM  

DammitIForgotMyLogin: tomWright: Derp

You can thank the Government for the internet that you're currently posting on, and for the fact that your meds have been thoroughly somewhat tested and shown not to be likely to kill you at least 50% of the time, even if they might maim you in some way.

/speaking of which, I think it's time you took one of your pills again


FTFY
 
2012-07-21 01:06:34 PM  
wow, what the hell was that? satire? my 12 year old nephew can come up with better jokes than that.
 
2012-07-21 01:06:47 PM  

HeartBurnKid: This is what you get when conservatives try to be funny.


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"How many liberals does it take to screw in a light bulb?

Ten! Two to politicize it as an environmentalist issue, two to create a new government department of light bulb changing, and six to raise taxes on the job creators to pay for someone else to change it!"
 
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