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(Townhall)   O'Rielly: People can succeed without government. As examples: two athletes whose offices' were constructed with city bonds along with a singer and TV host whose products' are trasmitted over public airways   (townhall.com) divider line 381
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2012-07-21 11:34:40 AM
I've really tried hard to give Townhall.com a chance. Reading the narrative from another's perspective, getting a fresh take on the facts, that whole deal. It's so sad, tho. It is one fallacy after another, a continuous dahurr fest.

Not to mention it's got to be one of the most poorly designed sites ever.
 
2012-07-21 11:34:58 AM

cameroncrazy1984: DrBenway: Is incoherent raving guy still drunk from last night, or is he off to a particularly vigorous early start with the Bloody Marys this a.m.?

Why not both?


It's a combination of straw man and chicken-farking. A straw-chicken argument,if you will.
 
2012-07-21 11:37:24 AM
I wonder if he thought about the public parks that are maintained with government money that these athletes honed their skills on. Or the publicly funded leagues that these athletes played in that helped build their skills. Or the publicly funded arts programs that these actors and singers probably participated in that helped them to perfect their skills.

Do people like him ever think for more than 2 seconds before they spew shiat like this? Well, I guess he doesn't because he knows that his audience isn't going to stop and think for more than a second before they start regurgitating this mess.
 
2012-07-21 11:37:57 AM
I can't believe he closed with "And now you know the rest of the success story."

O'Rielly doesn't have nearly enough journalistic integrity to co-opt Paul Harvey's long time closing line and Paul Harvey would never have read such a hack piece to his audience.
 
2012-07-21 11:38:21 AM
thinkprogress.org

I think government should be run like a business: to make my people stinking rich!
 
2012-07-21 11:40:18 AM
i3.kym-cdn.com
 
2012-07-21 11:40:25 AM
Wow, the right-wingers sure are making the most of a misquote. The cognitive dissonance is amazing
 
2012-07-21 11:41:20 AM
Yeah, Bill, the government had nothing to do with that. The government had nothing to do with:
roads that these people used to get to training facilities
reliable foodstuffs and water sources that kept them healthy and allowed them to spend time training instead of hunting/gathering
police forces that allowed them to use their energy on things like training instead of constantly looking for roving barbarian hordes
electrical grid that delivered power for the equipment they use
the government research that brought the internet to life
the regulations on medical facilities and personnel that ensured they got taken care of once they were injured/sick
knowledge of medicine, medical practices, and techniques that came from government-funded research

Show me one person throughout all of history that has done it all on their own. If you even know about someone you think did it on their own, remember, some public resources were used to get that info to you, be it school, a library, the internet, whatever.
 
2012-07-21 11:42:55 AM

hubiestubert: What most folks fail to realize that the "government" that they complain about so vociferously about are our employees. Doing what we ask them to do. With specific mandates and specific instructions. This government isn't imposed upon us by some outside source. It is by, of, and for the people.

The government IS us. All of us. It's supposed to enable us to succeed, because we keep asking it to do things to allow that. Clean air, clean water, safety net so old people don't die in the streets, food standards, keeping our kids out of work houses, no selling of citizens to other citizens, putting out fires, catching the guy who stole your car, supporting tech that isn't necessarily profitable, but is still important, keeping a supply of medicines that aren't necessarily needed now, but might be down the road.

Some folks really hate that.

But it doesn't keep them from using what they've paid for, or asking for more...



Well said.

/ You've been a favorite for a long time, but that earned you a coveted "Green 1" spot, mister.
 
2012-07-21 11:47:07 AM

cameroncrazy1984: Marcus Aurelius: Have you noticed all the great ideas and enterprises coming out of low tax havens like Somalia and Afghanistan?

Well yeah. I mean, have you seen their regulations? There's ZERO government interference there. Business is booming!



media.cleveland.com

/TOTALLY see what you did there.
 
2012-07-21 11:49:09 AM

Weaver95: um....am I the only one who has no idea what the hell the point of that article was...?


Bill O'Rielly is unaware that the government consists of more than just politicians, so he is confused by Obama's reference to success in this country being dependent on services that the government provides. Based on this false assumption, he then makes the same bad joke five times in a row.

I would say that he is just pretending to not understand the role of government in our society in order to be outraged, but from previous statements that he has made I can only conclude that Bill O'Rielly is an idiot.
 
2012-07-21 11:50:42 AM
Yes, God knows professional sport is one of the best examples out there of the way industry can just spontaneously bloom and thrive in an anarchic environment. Well played Mr. O'Reilly and, as always, Smash The State!
 
2012-07-21 11:51:10 AM
"New York Mets pitcher R.A. Dickey was once a mediocre performer, but he became a star by perfecting the knuckleball. Word is that Nancy Pelosi took the pitcher aside and demonstrated just the right spin to put on his delivery."

Knuckleballs don't spin.
 
2012-07-21 11:53:12 AM
I guess it's possible for the extemely well paid to cry more about their taxes going up thanks to an agreement made 10 and then 2 years ago on deal slipped past PayGo only because there was a time limit on it, but I'm not sure how much different it would seem to the common person.
 
2012-07-21 11:53:35 AM
He's trying (and failing) to make an argument for smaller government. Cool, now let's talk about abortion, gay marriage, the war on drugs, and separation of church and state. Still want to talk about smaller government?
 
2012-07-21 11:54:14 AM
I see what you are getting at subby but....

retarded headline is still retarded
 
2012-07-21 11:56:01 AM
i0.kym-cdn.com
 
2012-07-21 11:56:25 AM

Big Man: "New York Mets pitcher R.A. Dickey was once a mediocre performer, but he became a star by perfecting the knuckleball. Word is that Nancy Pelosi took the pitcher aside and demonstrated just the right spin to put on his delivery."

Knuckleballs don't spin.


But Knuckleheads do

static01.mediaite.com
 
2012-07-21 11:56:31 AM

SquiggelyGrounders: I see what you are getting at subby but....

retarded headline is still retarded


And shame on you mods for drinking so early.
 
2012-07-21 11:59:18 AM

Don't Troll Me Bro!: Yeah, Bill, the government had nothing to do with that. The government had nothing to do with:
roads that these people used to get to training facilities
reliable foodstuffs and water sources that kept them healthy and allowed them to spend time training instead of hunting/gathering
police forces that allowed them to use their energy on things like training instead of constantly looking for roving barbarian hordes
electrical grid that delivered power for the equipment they use
the government research that brought the internet to life
the regulations on medical facilities and personnel that ensured they got taken care of once they were injured/sick
knowledge of medicine, medical practices, and techniques that came from government-funded research

Show me one person throughout all of history that has done it all on their own. If you even know about someone you think did it on their own, remember, some public resources were used to get that info to you, be it school, a library, the internet, whatever.


At first I was gonna suggest my great grandparents. None of these things existed when they started their farm in N.D. They were pretty much on their own. Then I remembered the farm started as a federal land grant same as most of the farms in flyover country.

/damn
//I gots nothin
 
2012-07-21 12:00:28 PM

scrumpox: cameroncrazy1984: DrBenway: Is incoherent raving guy still drunk from last night, or is he off to a particularly vigorous early start with the Bloody Marys this a.m.?

Why not both?

It's a combination of straw man and chicken-farking. A straw-chicken argument,if you will.


In his defense, after a few drinks that chicken looked right purty.


Big Man: "New York Mets pitcher R.A. Dickey was once a mediocre performer, but he became a star by perfecting the knuckleball. Word is that Nancy Pelosi took the pitcher aside and demonstrated just the right spin to put on his delivery."

Knuckleballs don't spin.


You didn't even need one of those giant mitts to catch that.
 
2012-07-21 12:03:54 PM

Big Man: "New York Mets pitcher R.A. Dickey was once a mediocre performer, but he became a star by perfecting the knuckleball. Word is that Nancy Pelosi took the pitcher aside and demonstrated just the right spin to put on his delivery."

Knuckleballs don't spin.


Heheheheheh.
 
2012-07-21 12:05:41 PM

hubiestubert: What most folks fail to realize that the "government" that they complain about so vociferously about are our employees.


I always struggle to try to explain to anti-government zealots that we are the government. Government isn't some alien entity that controls the country, we literally choose among our own citizens who will hold office in government. However flawed the system is it remains a government of and by the people (the for can be debated).

I'm trying to put it in therms they can understand. Perhaps this will work:

The government is not a witch. The government is you.
 
2012-07-21 12:06:17 PM
I didn't use your FDIC insurance, your copyright protection, your trademark protection, your laws that keep my corporation separate so I can't be sued, your roads, your fire department, your police protection, your laws the prevent grey market chinese knockoffs, your subsidies, your government backed small business loans, or any of your stupid free classes giving me tips to succeed.

I did it all by myself.
 
2012-07-21 12:06:18 PM

hubiestubert: Everyone knows that State Universities don't do jack for anyone, nor do education grants.


Though I know you are being snarky, a brief CSB.

Before the completion of my state degree I was making $32k a year. 10 years after graduating, $120k. Good investment for the state or not?
 
2012-07-21 12:07:45 PM
just like Joe Republican ...
Link
 
2012-07-21 12:10:07 PM

Cargo: tomWright: Prank Call of Cthulhu: tomWright: X! Yes! X created by the Y given to us by government. By all the Z given to us by government.
BRILLIANT! A brilliant plan, and just another example of the wonderful things government provides for us all.

We should all weep for joy for government.

0/10

No, that's not a trolling score, that's a score for your attempt at creating a new meme.

Memes! Yes, memes! Given to us by the government!

/Ok, maybe 1/10 since I just reused it.

See? Even memes are government provided, you have admitted it, I have won!


Could someone please explain to this assbox how humor works?


Humor is provided by the government, and therefore doesn't work, or something retarded like that.
 
2012-07-21 12:10:35 PM

tomWright: And food. some of the roads are provided by government so government provides food too.

And water. It falls through government provided air, so we would all die of thirst without government.

Oh, Oh, and the AIR ITSELF. It flows over government lands so we would all suffocate without it.

And gravity! why, without all that government land holding the planet together, we would all be floating amongst boulders and dust speeding through space to our very doom!

Thanks government, for making the planet and life as we know it possible at all. Gee, you sure are swell.


You know the internet was created using government money. So why not stop being a hypocrite and stop using it and make the world a better place.
 
2012-07-21 12:11:15 PM

paygun: He's trying (and failing) to make an argument for smaller government. Cool, now let's talk about abortion, gay marriage, the war on drugs, and separation of church and state. Still want to talk about smaller government?


or legalizing cannabis.

GOP: 'states rights! I want my local government to make abortion illegal 'cause STATES RIGHTS!'
average voter: 'so...if I get you right, then I can make file trading legal and cannabis can be sold over the counter?'
GOP: *twitch*
average voter: 'and gays can get married too, 'cause 'states rights' says so. hmm. I'm starting to like this 'states rights thing''
GOP: [gibber] *drool* [screaming] 'THAT'S NOT WHAT STATE'S RIGHTS MEANS YOU IGNORANT MORON!'
average voter: 'but...that's what...
GOP: [cuts off average voter]: 'NO NO NO NO NO! YOU DON'T UNNERSTAND! STFU COMMIE! STFU! i TELL YOU WHAT YOU DO! *I TELL YOU*, GET IT!?'
average voter: *blinks* 'i'm going to see about um...picking up the mail. you...uh, you stay here and i'll be back in a bit, ok?'
GOP: [breathing heavy] *muttering to self* 'he thinks HE knows about states' rights, I know about states rights 'cause i'm all ABOUT states rights, gotdamn commies is what they are...'
 
2012-07-21 12:12:04 PM

Glicky: Before the completion of my state degree I was making $32k a year. 10 years after graduating, $120k. Good investment for the state or not?


Well, depends on if your state has income taxes or not. Even if they don't I'm sure you live in a nicer house and are paying more in property taxes, not to mention sales taxes because you can buy more stuff.

If they do have an income tax, assuming you stay at least at your current income bracket, I'd say it was a good investment. It was also a good investment by the Federal government to either provide you with grants or subsidize your student loans, since you are also paying higher Federal income taxes.

I laugh at Tennessee for voting in a lottery rather than an income tax, in order to fund "education". I mean, taking lottery money and using it to teach children basic math, probability, and statistics is kind of self-defeating, isn't it?
 
2012-07-21 12:17:34 PM

Thrag: The government is not a witch. The government is you.


images.rcp.realclearpolitics.com
"Does that mean I'm not the solution, I'm the problem?"
 
2012-07-21 12:18:02 PM
Serious Question Time: When did the idea of "everything that is the private sector is and will forever be better than anything the government sector can offer" come into fruition? Because as we've seen this is lately, more times than not, not always the case.

If it was up to the private sector, we would be eating apples made from sawdust with NEW! and IMPROVED APPLE FLAVORING because it would be cheaper to produce than actual apples. It's the government that keeps the private sector in line.

And when the government sector does actual good, people always claim that it is the private sector at work. Hence, the protest signs of GOVERNMENT, HANDS OFF MY MEDICARE!

When did this idea form and how come it is so hard to shake?
 
2012-07-21 12:18:16 PM
I got a kick out of Romney paraphrasing Obama to say the exact same thing, thereby proving him wrong.
 
2012-07-21 12:21:13 PM
In the very near future manufactures are going to be facing a huge issue with 3D printers and hackers. They will be screaming for government help. Think the RIAA outrage multiplied by a billion. People are downloading your song? Yeah well, people our downloading our car.
 
2012-07-21 12:21:16 PM
Hey O'Reilly
Your show is beamed off of a satellite that was launched using govt facilities and equipment. made possible by decades of research and development using taxpayer money.
it runs along a cable supported by public works telephone poles. access to these poles are provided by publicly funded and maintained roads.
The fact that your building hasn't been overrun and burnt to the ground is because the NYPD protect your ass and that building.
Laws enforced by the judicial system paid for by tax dollars make sure you can go to sleep every night without worry.

so shut your freaking pie hole or move to Somalia you jackass.
 
2012-07-21 12:21:45 PM

mekki: Serious Question Time: When did the idea of "everything that is the private sector is and will forever be better than anything the government sector can offer" come into fruition?


It came about as an answer to "corporations are evil" which is equally retarded.
 
2012-07-21 12:22:14 PM

scrumpox: cameroncrazy1984: DrBenway: Is incoherent raving guy still drunk from last night, or is he off to a particularly vigorous early start with the Bloody Marys this a.m.?

Why not both?

It's a combination of straw man and chicken-farking. A straw-chicken argument,if you will.



You know know how every fallacy has a Latin name? We should refer to chicken-f*cking as pullum irrumabo.
 
2012-07-21 12:23:49 PM
Yeah? Well I went to public schools as a kid, then later joined the military and went on to college with my GI Bill benefits. Maybe once I get an SBA loan to get my ideas off the ground I'll be a millionaire and I'll employ other people who went to public schools. I might even use some technologies and techniques that were developed by federally funded research.

Know who did all that? ME. Suck it, libs.
 
2012-07-21 12:24:44 PM
That was exceptionally vacuous.
 
2012-07-21 12:25:10 PM
It's impressive how much cognitive dissonance you need to believe that federal, state, and municipal governments only impede the "free market" and don't do anything to benefit it.

Business interests have cultivated this anti-government view brilliantly. By convincing a large number of people that "generally speaking, the government sucks at regulating the economy and only hinders business," they have an instant, standardized reason for opposing any regulation that either levels the playing field, or hurts their bottom line.

What's lost in the mix is that the people buying into this absurd, overgeneralized proposition tend to not even be conscious of the fact the fact that every facet of our economy is dependent on adequate government regulations, and the government providing adequate infrastructure, education, safety, and other public goods.

Only in this day and age, with this massive, ingrained cognitive dissonance, could half of the country be "outraged" that the president pointed that out. And the special interests will bark on, extolling the virtues of the free market and calling Obama a socialist, while at the same time they spend millions of dollars to elect candidates and lobby for laws or tax breaks that will unfairly benefit their business at the expense of the "free market."
 
2012-07-21 12:27:08 PM

hubiestubert: What most folks fail to realize that the "government" that they complain about so vociferously about are our employees. Doing what we ask them to do. With specific mandates and specific instructions. This government isn't imposed upon us by some outside source. It is by, of, and for the people.

The government IS us. All of us. It's supposed to enable us to succeed, because we keep asking it to do things to allow that. Clean air, clean water, safety net so old people don't die in the streets, food standards, keeping our kids out of work houses, no selling of citizens to other citizens, putting out fires, catching the guy who stole your car, supporting tech that isn't necessarily profitable, but is still important, keeping a supply of medicines that aren't necessarily needed now, but might be down the road.

Some folks really hate that.

But it doesn't keep them from using what they've paid for, or asking for more...


Thanks. I'm stealing this.
 
2012-07-21 12:27:51 PM

Chummer45: It's impressive how much cognitive dissonance you need to believe that federal, state, and municipal governments only impede the "free market" and don't do anything to benefit it.

Business interests have cultivated this anti-government view brilliantly. By convincing a large number of people that "generally speaking, the government sucks at regulating the economy and only hinders business," they have an instant, standardized reason for opposing any regulation that either levels the playing field, or hurts their bottom line.

What's lost in the mix is that the people buying into this absurd, overgeneralized proposition tend to not even be conscious of the fact the fact that every facet of our economy is dependent on adequate government regulations, and the government providing adequate infrastructure, education, safety, and other public goods.

Only in this day and age, with this massive, ingrained cognitive dissonance, could half of the country be "outraged" that the president pointed that out. And the special interests will bark on, extolling the virtues of the free market and calling Obama a socialist, while at the same time they spend millions of dollars to elect candidates and lobby for laws or tax breaks that will unfairly benefit their business at the expense of the "free market."


unfortunately legislation is part of the free market. sold to the highest bidder.
 
2012-07-21 12:28:43 PM
Ok, is there SOME way we could get one of these buffoons to come do a Q&A on www.fark.com?

Is there? I know the answer. No. They are too afraid of not controlling the narrative much like our beloved threadshiatters here.

fark these people.
 
2012-07-21 12:32:06 PM
These idiots just don't get it. While the specific service and/or product itself might be a product of their hard work, the infrastructure which provided the conditions and stability to allow it to prosper were provoded by the government. I think the biggest problem is like with good officiating in a sporting event, you just don't notice good governance. The instances of bad governance stand out like a sore thumb, but good governance is almost invisible. People in California notice the roving blackouts, but the people in the Tennessee Valley seem to be oblivious of the benefits the Tennessee Valley Authority provides and have provided them. In my city we have the TVA to provide affordable energy and make the Tennessee river navigable for commerce. We have a huge army base & NASA center providing thousands of jobs & millionsof dollars into te local economy basically shielding our local economy from the Bush recession. Yet listening to most locals (even the government workers), they are the most self-sufficient and bootstrappy people ever who don't need the government meddling in their lives.
 
2012-07-21 12:32:20 PM

DirkValentine: Ok, is there SOME way we could get one of these buffoons to come do a Q&A on www.fark.com?


Tell them its a dinner party full of rich donors.
 
2012-07-21 12:33:13 PM
and TV host whose products' are trasmitted over public airway

You know, I never realized that the government actually created the electromagnetic spectrum. Thanks, government!

i49.tinypic.com
 
2012-07-21 12:33:13 PM
Perhaps' the submitter went to private schools' and this' is' where he learned punctuation skills'.
 
2012-07-21 12:33:39 PM
I find this a especially interesting view coming from an employee of Fox. I remember when that brand was the little fish in network broadcasting. Government regulations were the only thing that kep NBC, CBS, and ABC from just drowning out their signals or bulldozing them under UHF-style.
 
2012-07-21 12:33:45 PM

mekki: When did the idea of "everything that is the private sector is and will forever be better than anything the government sector can offer" come into fruition?


It kicked off somewhere in the 50s, but didn't really start to gain traction until the 80s.
 
2012-07-21 12:34:11 PM

DarwiOdrade: Cargo: tomWright: Prank Call of Cthulhu: tomWright: X! Yes! X created by the Y given to us by government. By all the Z given to us by government.
BRILLIANT! A brilliant plan, and just another example of the wonderful things government provides for us all.

We should all weep for joy for government.

0/10

No, that's not a trolling score, that's a score for your attempt at creating a new meme.

Memes! Yes, memes! Given to us by the government!

/Ok, maybe 1/10 since I just reused it.

See? Even memes are government provided, you have admitted it, I have won!


Could someone please explain to this assbox how humor works?

Humor is provided by the government, and therefore doesn't work, or something retarded like that.


Hmmm, good point. But maybe someone from either chamber of Congress--or better yet, the White House--could send him some pamphlets that would help him to better grasp th--

--wait a second! He got me!


/this little moment was not all that funny
//but, Christ, it was miles above anything this moran has been squawking about for the entire thread
///if you don't understand the things that your taxes and government do, please STFU and ask someone that can explain it to you
 
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