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(Northwest Ohio News)   Ohio driver; "Why am I being cited, officer?" Trooper; "Changing your radio station, and looking out your window. That will be $50.00"   (northwestohio.com) divider line 162
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2012-07-21 09:53:36 AM  

shinjitsuism: I just drove through Ohio, and wow do they deserve the FAIL award for roadwork. First of all, you come across a "Workzone" sign warning you about fines for speeding and what not, but they don't tell you when and where the work zone is. So you drive 10 miles without any signs and come across a "Left lane close merge right." So you merge Right, but the problem is that for the next 20 miles the damn left lane is open and there are no signs to merge. When you get to mile 20 it finally tells you to merge and closes off the lane... so you're stuck fighting with people trying to get out of that lane 20 miles after the first damn sign!!! What a farked system Ohio has for a workzone... so much fail


Of course Ohio fails , they voted for Kasich.
 
2012-07-21 09:55:21 AM  
Aren't you folks glad you voted Republican?!?! Can't you just taste the freedom in the air? Good thing you've got a two to one Republican/Democrat ratio going on down there or those pesky Democrats would be trying to tell you what you can and can't do all the time. No worries... Those Republicans totally have your back... I mean, hell... you put them in power for a damn good reason... wait... what was the reason again?
 
2012-07-21 09:58:21 AM  
Road Tax.
 
2012-07-21 09:59:39 AM  

JohnnyC: Aren't you folks glad you voted Republican?!?! Can't you just taste the freedom in the air? Good thing you've got a two to one Republican/Democrat ratio going on down there or those pesky Democrats would be trying to tell you what you can and can't do all the time. No worries... Those Republicans totally have your back... I mean, hell... you put them in power for a damn good reason... wait... what was the reason again?


Because as annoying as Republicans are, democrats are worse?
 
2012-07-21 10:03:13 AM  

Arcanum: JohnnyC: Aren't you folks glad you voted Republican?!?! Can't you just taste the freedom in the air? Good thing you've got a two to one Republican/Democrat ratio going on down there or those pesky Democrats would be trying to tell you what you can and can't do all the time. No worries... Those Republicans totally have your back... I mean, hell... you put them in power for a damn good reason... wait... what was the reason again?

Because as annoying as Republicans are, democrats are worse?


Neither is better than the other, they both suck.
/Independant
 
2012-07-21 10:06:30 AM  

Bomb Head Mohammed: why is a citty council determining motoring laws? This is american stupidity at its finest. Motoring laws should be set at the national level. NO EXCEPTIONS. If alaska wants to write special legislation because it snows there a lot, then they can appeal to the national level and have it written in, since alaska ain't the only place it snows.

The FAA is a shining model of bureaucratic efficiency, as is the UK DVLA, compared to the redneck, special interest, corrupt wasteland that is state and local government in the USA.

And for that matter, at what point will the USA upgrade its idiotic license plate system from that which the height of modernity in 1932?


City council? No. State? Yes. Federal government? Absolutely not. City councils are full of the people from high school who were the pettiest of the entire farking school. The less power they have the better. The states writing traffic laws foe their states I'm OK with so long as we all follow one uniform standard (i.e. traffic one direction on a side of the road is universal and doesn't vary state to state.) Federal government writing traffic laws for where I live? Yeah, we found that worked really well with a national speed limit.
 
2012-07-21 10:06:38 AM  

Bomb Head Mohammed: why is a citty council determining motoring laws? This is american stupidity at its finest. Motoring laws should be set at the national level. NO EXCEPTIONS. If alaska wants to write special legislation because it snows there a lot, then they can appeal to the national level and have it written in, since alaska ain't the only place it snows.

The FAA is a shining model of bureaucratic efficiency, as is the UK DVLA, compared to the redneck, special interest, corrupt wasteland that is state and local government in the USA.

And for that matter, at what point will the USA upgrade its idiotic license plate system from that which the height of modernity in 1932?


Why should the Federal Government set those laws? In the US, the Federal Government has the powers explicitly granted to it by the Constitution, and to move beyond those is a lengthy court battle to try to explain how new rules or powers fit under the previously established limits (witness the court case over the Affordable Care Act).

For example, they tried to dictate a national speed limit of 55 MPH for most of the 1970's and 1980's, it was hideously ineffective and hated. Among other reasons, in the Western US there are highways that are straight, flat, and level for many miles on end and there is no inherent safety hazard to travelling much faster, and the interstate highways system was engineered for the strain of faster travel.

Through economic and political pressure there are de facto standards on things like a minimum drinking age (21) and maximum legal blood alcohol level for driving (.08), but those are still state laws, and states could change them if they wished.

There is basically no political impetus for nationally standardized rules on things like distracted driving. No public outcry for more Federal regulations and people not begging the Government to regulate their lives even more.

This is opposed to the British system, where you can be cited for "anti social" behavior and basically dictate your behavior to you in any way they want or where squatters can take over your house while you're gone for the day and the police can't do anything to help, and you can be hit with a "superinjunction" over an issue where you can't even legally discuss the fact you've been ordered to do something by a court with legal counsel or your Member of Parliament.
 
2012-07-21 10:08:27 AM  

JohnnyC: Aren't you folks glad you voted Republican?!?! Can't you just taste the freedom in the air? Good thing you've got a two to one Republican/Democrat ratio going on down there or those pesky Democrats would be trying to tell you what you can and can't do all the time. No worries... Those Republicans totally have your back... I mean, hell... you put them in power for a damn good reason... wait... what was the reason again?


It is a city ordinance. Go sell crazy somewhere else, there are plenty of other threads in which it is appropriate.
 
2012-07-21 10:18:33 AM  

Lost Thought 00: How many motorcyclists will be killed by people afraid to check their blind spot because they assume people can see them?


Worked with a guy who drove his motorcycles as often as possible. He had a complete crash suit, and an attitude of "If you get in an accident on a motorcycle, it may not be your fault...but it's your fault for not paying close enough attention."
 
2012-07-21 10:20:02 AM  
Are they going to do anything about the scantily clad college freshmen sunning themselves by the road? I hope not.
 
2012-07-21 10:20:29 AM  

Lost Thought 00: How many motorcyclists will be killed by people afraid to check their blind spot?


What's a blind spot?
 
2012-07-21 10:21:13 AM  

fluffy2097: Put down your damn phone. Put down your makeup, put down your farking ipod, your burger, and your milkshake.

DRIVE YOUR farkING CAR.

/people who put makeup on while driving should be summery executed by the side of the road.
//Watched a biatch use the rumble strip on the side of the highway to do 75mph while applying mascara jut the other day.


That's probably what the city council person saw on his way to work. Pissed him off too, so he said "there oughta be a law!", someone reported it & now everybody's all *outrage!* about something that doesn't have a chance in hell of happening.

Kind of like that congressman or whatever that was pissed about too many previews when he went to the movie on time.

They're having a hard enough time enforcing clearly defined infractions, n/m some vague "he looked... wistful, your honor" bullshiat some dude pulled out of his ass.

No chance.

/outrage is fun
 
2012-07-21 10:26:01 AM  

Death_Poot: /I got pulled over and harassed back in my 20s for "smiling" at a DPS trooper once, I kid you not


Tell us the story please...
 
2012-07-21 10:32:03 AM  

Day_Old_Dutchie: MaudlinMutantMollusk: ♫ Well, keep your eyes on the road, your hands upon the wheel... ♫

Fred's having a great time in the back seat.

[img593.imageshack.us image 720x540]

Where's the other four?


The reference was to THE ROADHOUSE BLUES by the Doors. BUt I must say, your near miss is better than a hit, for SEVEN LITTLE GIRLS trumps the doors any day.
 
2012-07-21 10:34:35 AM  

Evil Mackerel: Arcanum: JohnnyC: Aren't you folks glad you voted Republican?!?! Can't you just taste the freedom in the air? Good thing you've got a two to one Republican/Democrat ratio going on down there or those pesky Democrats would be trying to tell you what you can and can't do all the time. No worries... Those Republicans totally have your back... I mean, hell... you put them in power for a damn good reason... wait... what was the reason again?

Because as annoying as Republicans are, democrats are worse?

Neither is better than the other, they both suck.
/Independant


Pretty much. Now-a-days, the line that seperates what is a Republian/Democrat as become blurred. They're just different shades of the same color

/Sick of both sides
 
2012-07-21 10:37:52 AM  

GORDON: It is a city ordinance. Go sell crazy somewhere else, there are plenty of other threads in which it is appropriate.


Richard A Edwards Bowling Green City Mayor
William J Herald Bowling Green City Council-at-Large
Mark Hollenbaugh Bowling Green City 1st Ward Council
Gregory W Robinette Bowling Green City 4th Ward Council
Crystal Thompson Bowling Green City 3rd Ward Council
Paul A Walker Jr Bowling Green City School District Board of Education


I guess you got me there. Only 4 out of 7 City Council members are Republicans... and the Mayor too, of course. Yeah... I'm just totally crazy talkin' here by saying this city ordinance had anything to do with Republicans. What was I thinking?
 
2012-07-21 10:38:06 AM  
Hey America, how's that dream?
 
2012-07-21 10:41:43 AM  

AbbeySomeone: I can agree with banning the use of the phone while driving, but looking out the side window? What if you're looking for a specific address at dat ass in the flouncy skirt?

FTFY

There MUST be exceptions.
 
2012-07-21 10:49:52 AM  
I wonder if this will make billboards illegal?
 
2012-07-21 10:57:12 AM  
I blame Obama.
 
2012-07-21 10:59:46 AM  

bingo the psych-o: I wonder if this will make billboards illegal?


I would start suing re-election campaigns for those distracting little signs first.

/your move, elected representatives of the city council
 
2012-07-21 11:05:34 AM  
I just don't see how a city ordinance, which is enforced entirely by the city police, is translated into the entire state of Ohio.

Trooper = Ohio State Highway Patrol
Police = City of Bowling Green Police

We all know BG SUcks, but don't equate the entire state with them.
 
2012-07-21 11:20:32 AM  
Step in the right direction.

http://www.sportbikes.net/forums/general-sportbikes/455413-wrecked-in t erstate.html

Seriously, I see this all the time. Every time I suit up, I wonder if today is my day.

(Text for those to lazy to click through)

"I work overnight, 1am to 10am, and have been using my bike to commute to work to help save with gas money. The ride is a couple miles from my house to the interstate and then another couple miles once I get off the interstate to my job. Since I'm trying to save money I cruise around 65 to 70mph.

So, I'm riding to work about 3 weeks ago and I don't remember much about the wreck until they were loading me up in the ambulance but the police report filled in the gaps pretty well for me. I was riding in the right lane and the girl was in the left lane traveling faster than me. She looked down and started playing with her cell phone, she put this in the police report, and swerved into my lane hitting me directly from behind. Her car actually ran on top of my bike because she had damage to the underside of her motor, oil pan, etc.

I was thrown from the bike and from the damage to my helmet and jacket I landed face first on the shoulder then slid on my right side until I came to a stop. The bike slid down the middle of the interstate and ripped the gas tank off which caught on fire.

I ended up with 5 fractured vertebra and a little bit of road rash on my knees and hip. I was very lucky as I have no spinal cord or nerve damage and do not require any back surgery. I'm stuck in a back brace for 3 - 4 months and have to go to physical therapy for that time as well. All in all I could have ended up a lot worse but my helmet, jacket, and gloves protected me from the waist up and my boots protected my feet and ankles. If I had had on a pair of protective jeans I might not have any rash at all.

Here are the pics of the bike at the junkyard after it was towed from the scene: "

And yes, ATTGATT. Sweat wipes off, road rash doesn't.
 
2012-07-21 11:37:51 AM  
Meanwhile, his boss was adjusting his radio and, well ....

all-funny.info

Karma. It is a biatch.
 
2012-07-21 11:41:16 AM  

Ohiofarker: Bomb Head Mohammed: why is a citty council determining motoring laws? This is american stupidity at its finest. Motoring laws should be set at the national level. NO EXCEPTIONS. If alaska wants to write special legislation because it snows there a lot, then they can appeal to the national level and have it written in, since alaska ain't the only place it snows.

The FAA is a shining model of bureaucratic efficiency, as is the UK DVLA, compared to the redneck, special interest, corrupt wasteland that is state and local government in the USA.

And for that matter, at what point will the USA upgrade its idiotic license plate system from that which the height of modernity in 1932?

Because the federal government had not been granted that authority by the constitution - in theory, at least. Those powers have been granted to the states. That has not seemed to stop them, or even slow them down, though.



They influence state laws through blackmail. We have seat belt laws, the .08 legal limit and other BS thanks to federal thugs threatening to withhold federal highway funding from the states if they don't pass the law they "recommend."
 
2012-07-21 11:45:15 AM  
destrip: Ohiofarker: Bomb Head Mohammed: why is a citty council determining motoring laws? This is american stupidity at its finest. Motoring laws should be set at the national level. NO EXCEPTIONS. If alaska wants to write special legislation because it snows there a lot, then they can appeal to the national level and have it written in, since alaska ain't the only place it snows.

The FAA is a shining model of bureaucratic efficiency, as is the UK DVLA, compared to the redneck, special interest, corrupt wasteland that is state and local government in the USA.

And for that matter, at what point will the USA upgrade its idiotic license plate system from that which the height of modernity in 1932?

Because the federal government had not been granted that authority by the constitution - in theory, at least. Those powers have been granted to the states. That has not seemed to stop them, or even slow them down, though.


They influence state laws through blackmail. We have seat belt laws, the .08 legal limit and other BS thanks to federal thugs threatening to withhold federal highway funding from the states if they don't pass the law they "recommend."

so, just to catch up all you states' rights Fark Independents: you are in the same boat with this redneck arguing that seat laws are a violation of his right and the south shall rise again and whatever the hell he's on about. good luck with that.
 
2012-07-21 11:46:41 AM  

bingo the psych-o: I wonder if this will make billboards illegal?


Yeah, especially those electronic ones that change every few seconds. Sometimes I find myself looking to see what the next ad is.
 
2012-07-21 11:50:24 AM  

Lost Thought 00: How many motorcyclists will be killed by people afraid to check their blind spot?


Like they care... Give you a ticket and make money if you look... give you a bigger ticket and various charges and court costs if you don't look and cause an injury or death. WIN WIN for them all the way. PROTECT (their wallets) AND SERVE (themselves)

Smurfme: I get detracted when see police hiding on the side of the road.


Good.. actually an EXCELLENT point!!! Wonder if you got about 10,000+ people to file (or repeatedly file) a $1 billion (no, not exaggerating) class action lawsuit for repeated entrapment and see how much money they make from the new "legalized theft law".
Think this would also apply to the asshat cops that like to tailgate drivers on the highway at 70MPH about a door-length behind their rear bumper for miles.
 
2012-07-21 11:51:10 AM  

mephisto6: fluffy2097: Put down your damn phone. Put down your makeup, put down your farking ipod, your burger, and your milkshake.

DRIVE YOUR farkING CAR.

/people who put makeup on while driving should be summery executed by the side of the road.
//Watched a biatch use the rumble strip on the side of the highway to do 75mph while applying mascara jut the other day.

That's probably what the city council person saw on his way to work. Pissed him off too, so he said "there oughta be a law!", someone reported it & now everybody's all *outrage!* about something that doesn't have a chance in hell of happening.

Kind of like that congressman or whatever that was pissed about too many previews when he went to the movie on time.

They're having a hard enough time enforcing clearly defined infractions, n/m some vague "he looked... wistful, your honor" bullshiat some dude pulled out of his ass.

No chance.

/outrage is fun


You need to lower your alcohol intake.
 
2012-07-21 11:51:34 AM  

destrip: bingo the psych-o: I wonder if this will make billboards illegal?

Yeah, especially those electronic ones that change every few seconds. Sometimes I find myself looking to see what the next ad is.


I can't wait to make money suing someone for distracting me while driving.
 
2012-07-21 12:03:08 PM  
Nice. Ohio is the place where they essentially want to make any after-market vehicle compartment in a car a felony because police couldn't immediately activate an electronic release system to a contraband drug compartment. They also want to outlaw land lines (typically requires warrants to tap them, unlike cells). Appears they're joining my home state in paranoid law-enforcement driven lunacy. All this surveillance and policing sure is helping the economy, isn't it?
 
ZAZ [TotalFark]
2012-07-21 12:06:11 PM  
That's the burning question the Bowling Green City Council faces as they introduced new distracted driving legislation to the community on Tuesday night.

Around here cities don't have the power to make up new rules of the road. They are delegated certain powers with well-defined boundaries. They can make streets one way, for example, subject to restrictions. They can not ban cell phone use because distracted driving is covered by state law and there is no room for local regulation.

Local driving rules should be limited to those that are clearly marked at the point where drivers need to know about them. No staring at sidewalk hotties is not such a rule.
 
ZAZ [TotalFark]
2012-07-21 12:09:00 PM  
krackpipe

I thought Indiana banned compartments in vehicles. Is it a general Midwestern rule?
 
2012-07-21 12:12:08 PM  

ZAZ: krackpipe

I thought Indiana banned compartments in vehicles. Is it a general Midwestern rule?


I don't know if it passed, but they tried hard...
 
2012-07-21 12:19:54 PM  
This sounds like a law that will be overturned as unconstitutionally vague.
 
2012-07-21 12:29:50 PM  
Meanwhile, you look over at the car diving next to you and see
media.syracuse.com

(Okay, this particular cop is parked, but I have seen cops playing on their laptops driving down the road.)
 
2012-07-21 12:38:55 PM  

fluffy2097: Put down your damn phone. Put down your makeup, put down your farking ipod, your burger, and your milkshake.

DRIVE YOUR farkING CAR.

/people who put makeup on while driving should be summery executed by the side of the road.
//Watched a biatch use the rumble strip on the side of the highway to do 75mph while applying mascara jut the other day.


Agreed. But I, for one, would prefer a wintery execution. Autumny would be nice, too.

/summarily
 
ZAZ [TotalFark]
2012-07-21 12:40:33 PM  
krackpipe

I checked Google (should have done that first) and found the secret compartment ban is one of those fashionable new laws that's spreading like plague.

The Illinois ban was invalidated by the state Supreme Court. "We reject the notion that the intent to conceal something from law enforcement officers necessarily entails illegal conduct." http://www.leagle.com/xmlResult.aspx?page=1&xmldoc=2008993888NE2d105_ 1 985.xml&docbase=CSLWAR3-2007-CURR&SizeDisp=7
 
2012-07-21 12:42:55 PM  
Don't know why this would surprise anyone. They've tried passing that law here in Maine, too.

Distracted via cell phone = bad. I'm OK with this law.
Distracted via texting = VERY bad. Quite OK with this.

But then I heard that even if you're talking hands-free on a cell phone, or in any other way distracted.

Kinda crazy. Pretty soon you'll only be legally allowed to drive in total silence with nobody else in the car lest you become distracted.
 
2012-07-21 12:47:33 PM  

xanadian: Pretty soon you'll only be legally allowed to drive in total silence with nobody else in the car lest you become distracted.


Husbands and boyfriends everywhere will be thrilled over a law like that.
 
2012-07-21 12:49:34 PM  

seelorq: fluffy2097: Put down your damn phone. Put down your makeup, put down your farking ipod, your burger, and your milkshake.

DRIVE YOUR farkING CAR.

/people who put makeup on while driving should be summery executed by the side of the road.
//Watched a biatch use the rumble strip on the side of the highway to do 75mph while applying mascara jut the other day.

Agreed. But I, for one, would prefer a wintery execution. Autumny would be nice, too.

/summarily


A springy execution would be HILARIOUS.
 
2012-07-21 01:09:49 PM  
Sweet ... this is just what I predicted ... first they said texting was illegal, then cell phone use, then GPS use, now no food and no radio ... ah, what do you know? Distracted driving is the new "kidnapping" for the media to exploit. Congrats you morons ...

/Moral outrage arguments never work ... when will you people learn ...
 
2012-07-21 01:11:15 PM  
Mr. Ouisch and I got stopped on the freeway in southern Illinois by a state trooper just recently, apparently for nothing as far as both of us can tell. We were driving a rental car (were on our way home at the end of a 6,000+ mile road trip) and suddenly Mr. Ouisch saw the lights in his mirror. We hadn't been speeding, or violated any other laws. Cop came to my side (passenger) since it was on the shoulder. He never asked to see either of our driver's licenses or car registration or insurance. Never asked our names. Commented upon approach "This is a rental car, huh?" "Yes." Then he asked to see the rental agreement, which I pulled from the glove box and handed him. *Then* he said "I noticed you slowed down when you first spotted me" (I guess before he lit us up). Mr. Ouisch said "Yeah, I probably did. Natural reaction, I guess." "Not always," cop replied, "Sometimes makes you look suspicious." (?!) He then asked us where we lived and I replied "BIrmingham, MI". (The rental car had Colorado plates.) "Where is that?" "Just north of Detroit," Mr. Ouisch replied. "That were you rented the car? In Birmingham?" It was a ridiculous question, seeing as he was looking at the rental agreement as he spoke and it contained all that info. He folded the agreement back up, handed it to me, and then asked "Y'all headed home now? Where you comin' from?" We explained that our ultimate destination had been Reno, for the Mensa gathering (hold the snark, thanks; we had to make a presentation there) but had turned the trip into our summer vacation. "Mensa? What's that?" "Um," I said, trying to phrase it without sounding like Sheldon Cooper, "It's sort of a high-IQ club." "Oh," he replied. "Never heard of it." (Mr. Ouisch was bracing himself at this point, because I'd ranted to him more than once after watching COPS "Did you know that in many states they won't accept a police officer for the academy if his IQ is 100 or over?! And they're handing those guys tasers?!" and he thought I was this close to making a smart-aleck remark to the cop about his own IQ)

Anyway, that was the end of the stop, no ticket, no real "warning" of any sort. Just the question about the rental car. Mr. Ouisch and I are pasty-white and middle-aged, so I don't think it was a matter of Driving While Being of Dark Complexion.Any guesses as to why the heck we were stopped? Certainly we're not the first folks who slowed down a tad when spotting a state patrol car behind them?
 
ZAZ [TotalFark]
2012-07-21 01:14:58 PM  
Ouisch

Drug runners use rental cars. If you were obeying the law you were obviously trying to avoid being pulled over. Drive 56 and they can pull you over for speeding. Drive 55 and they can pull you over for being unusually cautious around police. Same way if you look at a police officer you're worried and probably doing something illegal, and if you look away you're trying to hide your face and that's a sign of guilt.
 
2012-07-21 01:18:43 PM  

Evil Mackerel: Arcanum: JohnnyC: Aren't you folks glad you voted Republican?!?! Can't you just taste the freedom in the air? Good thing you've got a two to one Republican/Democrat ratio going on down there or those pesky Democrats would be trying to tell you what you can and can't do all the time. No worries... Those Republicans totally have your back... I mean, hell... you put them in power for a damn good reason... wait... what was the reason again?

Because as annoying as Republicans are, democrats are worse?

Neither is better than the other, they both suck.


Bingo.
 
2012-07-21 01:24:16 PM  
Living not far from the I-75 corridor, I've noticed the OSP is especially good at pulling over vehicles from Michigan with rims larger than 19".
 
2012-07-21 01:27:19 PM  

Smurfme: I get detracted when see police hiding on the side of the road.


a winnar is you.
 
2012-07-21 01:30:27 PM  
If they gave me a ticket under this kind of law, I'd tell the judge that after they take all the computers and radio's out of police cars, that I'll pay the ticket. Until then, they are just hypocritical jerks trying to steal my money, and if they want to rob me they'll have to do it the old fashioned way.

"No looking out the windows while you're driving". Brilliant plan, that. Heck, to make sure nobody looks out the windows, we should require that all windows be painted over, a nice solid black. That way there will be no risk that the driver might look outside his vehicle. Farking idiots.
 
2012-07-21 01:31:20 PM  

JuggleGeek: If they gave me a ticket under this kind of law, I'd tell the judge that after they take all the computers and radio's out of police cars, that I'll pay the ticket. Until then, they are just hypocritical jerks trying to steal my money, and if they want to rob me they'll have to do it the old fashioned way.

"No looking out the windows while you're driving". Brilliant plan, that. Heck, to make sure nobody looks out the windows, we should require that all windows be painted over, a nice solid black. That way there will be no risk that the driver might look outside his vehicle. Farking idiots.


What will be funny is your ass sitting in a jail cell for contempt.
 
2012-07-21 01:33:48 PM  

ZAZ: krackpipe

I checked Google (should have done that first) and found the secret compartment ban is one of those fashionable new laws that's spreading like plague.

The Illinois ban was invalidated by the state Supreme Court. "We reject the notion that the intent to conceal something from law enforcement officers necessarily entails illegal conduct." http://www.leagle.com/xmlResult.aspx?page=1&xmldoc=2008993888NE2d105_ 1 985.xml&docbase=CSLWAR3-2007-CURR&SizeDisp=7


Glad there's reason remaining at some point, even if it's downstream from the legislature. Not always the case. Meanwhile, sux that the legislature has turned into something that works against the interests of most of us, apparently just so they'll have talking points during their campaigns.
 
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