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2012-07-20 06:06:39 PM
For once, The Onion isn't amusing.
 
2012-07-20 06:12:14 PM
Sad and completely accurate
 
2012-07-20 06:12:16 PM

BarkingUnicorn: For once, The Onion isn't amusing.


Sometimes, being right isn't always funny.
 
2012-07-20 06:15:22 PM
Spot on.
 
2012-07-20 06:24:08 PM
They left out the part about the squadron of grief counselors who will be deployed to every school in the area, even though they're all on break and none of the kids were actually present at the shooting.
 
2012-07-20 06:28:03 PM
That and 5000 teddy bears, and pics of the victims in Ziploc bags festooning some nearby chain-link fence.
 
2012-07-20 06:29:51 PM

Contrabulous Flabtraption: Sad and completely accurate


Sadly, we all know the drill by now, what happens after a tragedy.
 
2012-07-20 06:30:57 PM
Yep.
 
2012-07-20 06:51:29 PM
I imagine people will be changing their twiiter and facebook avatars to something somber sometime between tonight and tomorrow morning.
 
2012-07-20 07:01:15 PM

Vodka Zombie: I imagine people will be changing their twiiter and facebook avatars to something somber sometime between tonight and tomorrow morning.


Repost this if you care about the murder victims

you insensitive bastards
 
ZAZ [TotalFark]
2012-07-20 07:11:40 PM
I often listen to CBS news on the radio driving home. It may be MSM, but it usually tells me something about what happened today and I can't safely read news online while driving. When anchorboy promised reaction from Obama and Romney during the third segment I realized there wasn't going to be anything else on the news but one five minute story dragged out to 30 minutes. And that made me irked at the shooter. TV news is like a shark. Behavior is built in at the instinctive level. Mass shooting = mass coverage. You don't hate sharks for being sharks. You kill them, if necessary, but without emotion. But the shooter had a brain. He had a choice. He should have known that he was going to displace real news. He could have spared us the media frenzy. For not doing that, he deserves the death penalty.
 
2012-07-20 08:53:26 PM

simplicimus: Contrabulous Flabtraption: Sad and completely accurate

Sadly, we all know the drill by now, what happens after a tragedy.


Well, it took them all of four hours to figure out what his middle name was. The first reports didn't have it, but sure enough every story today has it.
 
2012-07-20 09:03:25 PM
Knee jerk reactions left and right are already happening. AMC says no more costumes, masks, or fake weapons allowed. And people are saying they want metal detectors and nude scanners at theaters. Good thing I hardly go to the movies. This will make me go even less if they start searching me every time I walk thru the door. Crazy people are everywhere. If they want to hurt you they will. There's no amount of preventative measures that will prevent it. You could be caring a gun, but they can still shoot you in the back of the head without warning. Life comes with risk. If you don't want to take the risk seal yourself in a bunker.
 
2012-07-20 09:05:47 PM

Lsherm: simplicimus: Contrabulous Flabtraption: Sad and completely accurate

Sadly, we all know the drill by now, what happens after a tragedy.

Well, it took them all of four hours to figure out what his middle name was. The first reports didn't have it, but sure enough every story today has it.


Is his middle name, Wayne?
 
2012-07-20 09:07:42 PM
How long do we have to wait for metal detectors and pat downs at the movie theater?
 
2012-07-20 09:13:27 PM
Paging The Onion is prophetic to thread 7225049. The Onion is prophetic, please pick up the white courtesy phone.
 
2012-07-20 09:16:39 PM

Walker: Knee jerk reactions left and right are already happening. AMC says no more costumes, masks, or fake weapons allowed. And people are saying they want metal detectors and nude scanners at theaters. Good thing I hardly go to the movies. This will make me go even less if they start searching me every time I walk thru the door. Crazy people are everywhere. If they want to hurt you they will. There's no amount of preventative measures that will prevent it. You could be caring a gun, but they can still shoot you in the back of the head without warning. Life comes with risk. If you don't want to take the risk seal yourself in a bunker.


Seems reasonable to me.
 
2012-07-20 09:19:13 PM

Walker: If you don't want to take the risk seal yourself in a bunker.


There's still a risk there you'll end up with incurable Perineal Bunker-Rot...
 
2012-07-20 09:58:03 PM

FriarReb98: Paging The Onion is prophetic to thread 7225049. The Onion is prophetic, please pick up the white courtesy phone.


Not so much prophetic as just plain true... sadly, this isn't really satire in this day and age.
 
2012-07-20 10:18:22 PM

2xhelix: They left out the part about the squadron of grief counselors who will be deployed to every school in the area, even though they're all on break and none of the kids were actually present at the shooting.


THIS.

What did schools do before grief-counseling became all the rage? All I remember is my crabby history teacher one Monday morning saying "so Chris Dipshiat (not his real name) plowed his Trans-Am into a tree Saturday night while drunk as a skunk and he's dead. Who wants his desk?"

/adjusts belt-onion
 
ZAZ [TotalFark]
2012-07-20 10:26:40 PM
What did schools do before grief-counseling became all the rage?

A student in my grade died. There were about 30-40 in our class and 200-250 overall. The morning assembly the next day was a couple minutes longer to say a few words. I don't remember the details, except that I decided I didn't want a job that required me to call up parents and tell them their only child was dead. We spontaneously talked a bit about it in art class, for no particular reason. (I think it was art class.) And life went on for the rest of us.

Next school, a student died over winter or spring break. There was a somewhat longer talk during a school assembly. And again life went on.
 
2012-07-20 10:47:33 PM
On the surface, this might seem true but I don't really buy it. The clueless politicians say the same things, the idiot news reporters focus on the same things and regurgitate their uninspired musings so it seems the same but every community and city is different. New Yorkers respond differently than, say, people in a small town in Iowa would. I dunno.
 
2012-07-20 11:01:51 PM

dj_bigbird: BarkingUnicorn: For once, The Onion isn't amusing.

Sometimes, being right isn't always funny.


And being funny isn't always right.

right?
 
2012-07-20 11:03:03 PM
only skimmed the article so can someone tell me when the massive outcry for theater safety will start, and what time it ends? (I'm guessing 5-10 minutes after someone points out that a ticket will go up 50 cents..)
 
2012-07-20 11:37:58 PM
Hey, everyone who's spamming that ribbon-with-Batman-silhouette on Facebook. Knock it the fark off, there is nothing tackier and stupider
 
2012-07-20 11:38:07 PM
and if only every person would carry a gun or at least a bat.
 
2012-07-20 11:38:44 PM
Yes. It will no doubt play out in a way that perfectly reconfirms my political ideology. To the newspaper website comments sections!
 
2012-07-20 11:40:24 PM
This is so true it's not even funny. It tells something when an article from a satirical comedy tells more insight than any big 24h media.
 
2012-07-20 11:41:29 PM
Eh, the Onion article needs to address the coming facebook likes and shares and and tweets during the event
 
2012-07-20 11:43:37 PM

NickelP: Walker: Knee jerk reactions left and right are already happening. AMC says no more costumes, masks, or fake weapons allowed. And people are saying they want metal detectors and nude scanners at theaters. Good thing I hardly go to the movies. This will make me go even less if they start searching me every time I walk thru the door. Crazy people are everywhere. If they want to hurt you they will. There's no amount of preventative measures that will prevent it. You could be caring a gun, but they can still shoot you in the back of the head without warning. Life comes with risk. If you don't want to take the risk seal yourself in a bunker.

Seems reasonable to me.


This
 
2012-07-20 11:43:58 PM

Mark Ratner: How long do we have to wait for metal detectors and pat downs at the movie theater?


Old and Busted: Body scanners and pat-downs
New Hotness: Genia scanners
 
2012-07-20 11:44:31 PM

NickelP: Walker: Knee jerk reactions left and right are already happening. AMC says no more costumes, masks, or fake weapons allowed. And people are saying they want metal detectors and nude scanners at theaters. Good thing I hardly go to the movies. This will make me go even less if they start searching me every time I walk thru the door. Crazy people are everywhere. If they want to hurt you they will. There's no amount of preventative measures that will prevent it. You could be caring a gun, but they can still shoot you in the back of the head without warning. Life comes with risk. If you don't want to take the risk seal yourself in a bunker.

Seems reasonable to me.


As long as they still allow real weapons, I'm okay with this.
 
2012-07-20 11:45:19 PM

MisterTweak: only skimmed the article so can someone tell me when the massive outcry for theater safety will start, and what time it ends? (I'm guessing 5-10 minutes after someone points out that a ticket will go up 50 cents..)


God help the poor dumb bastard who attempts to sneak in through the back door of the theater for a free show. He'll get mob-murdered and we'll have a week of cable news segments on the "Heroes of the Cineplex."
 
2012-07-20 11:46:09 PM

Britney Spear's Speculum: Eh, the Onion article needs to address the coming facebook likes and shares and and tweets during the event


Instead of pointless likes and tweets, maybe give some money. It'll actually do something good: Link
 
2012-07-20 11:47:49 PM

MrHappyRotter: NickelP: Walker: Knee jerk reactions left and right are already happening. AMC says no more costumes, masks, or fake weapons allowed. And people are saying they want metal detectors and nude scanners at theaters. Good thing I hardly go to the movies. This will make me go even less if they start searching me every time I walk thru the door. Crazy people are everywhere. If they want to hurt you they will. There's no amount of preventative measures that will prevent it. You could be caring a gun, but they can still shoot you in the back of the head without warning. Life comes with risk. If you don't want to take the risk seal yourself in a bunker.

Seems reasonable to me.

As long as they still allow real weapons, I'm okay with this.


Chris Rock said it best: "Don't go to parties with metal detectors. Sure, it's safe inside, but what about those motherf*ckers waitin' outside with guns? They know you ain't got one."
 
2012-07-20 11:48:03 PM

rohar: Britney Spear's Speculum: Eh, the Onion article needs to address the coming facebook likes and shares and and tweets during the event

Instead of pointless likes and tweets, maybe give some money. It'll actually do something good: Link


Donny, you're out of your element.
 
2012-07-20 11:48:05 PM
Everyday The Onion gets less and less satirical, and it's completely unintentional.
 
2012-07-20 11:49:58 PM

BigJake: Hey, everyone who's spamming that ribbon-with-Batman-silhouette on Facebook. Knock it the fark off, there is nothing tackier and stupider


This and so much this
 
2012-07-20 11:50:12 PM
The nation's citizens also confirmed that, any time now, some religious figure or cable news personality will say something unbelievably insensitive about the tragic shooting

Anyone monitoring the 700 Club?
 
2012-07-20 11:50:36 PM
Oh, I get it. I try to be the Joker about all this, and I bomb. People think I'm just shooting myself in the foot, and a terrible person.

The Onion does it, and it's all a gas. You people just blow up with how good it is.

Damn you, double standards!
 
2012-07-20 11:52:05 PM
encrypted-tbn1.google.com

That's not funny...
 
2012-07-20 11:53:52 PM
The subject legally purchased four guns in the last 60 days at two different chain stores. He also purchased 6,000 rounds of various ammunition on the internet in addition to multiple magazines for the assault rifle, including a 100-round drum magazine.

you'd think that the ATF would have a red flag pop up if someone started rapidly loading up like this but no they can't. Thanks NRA
 
2012-07-20 11:54:04 PM
Why did the chicken cross the road?

The chicken didn't care, it was just as lonely as before.
 
2012-07-20 11:54:25 PM

Walker: Knee jerk reactions left and right are already happening. AMC says no more costumes, masks, or fake weapons allowed. And people are saying they want metal detectors and nude scanners at theaters. Good thing I hardly go to the movies. This will make me go even less if they start searching me every time I walk thru the door. Crazy people are everywhere. If they want to hurt you they will. There's no amount of preventative measures that will prevent it. You could be caring a gun, but they can still shoot you in the back of the head without warning. Life comes with risk. If you don't want to take the risk seal yourself in a bunker.


LOL even though the guy went through the side exits right? They'll probably only have them on the entrances.
 
2012-07-20 11:54:29 PM

NickelP: Seems reasonable to me.


It's not. It's letting him win.
 
2012-07-20 11:55:25 PM
Having a short memory is a blessing and a curse. We don't have thousand year old blood feuds which influence regional politics for generations, like the Old World. However, we also seem to be incapable of learning from our dumb mistakes, and are always caught by surprise when something truly horrible happens.
 
2012-07-20 11:56:34 PM
Hobodeluxe: The subject legally purchased four guns in the last 60 days at two different chain stores. He also purchased 6,000 rounds of various ammunition on the internet in addition to multiple magazines for the assault rifle, including a 100-round drum magazine.

you'd think that the ATF would have a red flag pop up if someone started rapidly loading up like this but no they can't. Thanks NRA


Of course not! That'd be one step closer towards letting the UN-Obama-Illuminati conspiracy get our guns!

Genju: Walker: Knee jerk reactions left and right are already happening. AMC says no more costumes, masks, or fake weapons allowed. And people are saying they want metal detectors and nude scanners at theaters. Good thing I hardly go to the movies. This will make me go even less if they start searching me every time I walk thru the door. Crazy people are everywhere. If they want to hurt you they will. There's no amount of preventative measures that will prevent it. You could be caring a gun, but they can still shoot you in the back of the head without warning. Life comes with risk. If you don't want to take the risk seal yourself in a bunker.

LOL even though the guy went through the side exits right? They'll probably only have them on the entrances.


He went in the theatre as a normal patron. He then exited through the fire escape, propped it open so it wouldn't lock him out, loaded up for bear, and went back in to kill people. Nothing they do will prevent that from happening.
 
2012-07-20 11:57:42 PM
You know what I've noticed? Nobody panics when things go "according to plan." Even if the plan is horrifying!

If, tomorrow, I tell the press that, like, a gang banger will get shot, or a truckload of soldiers will be blown up, nobody panics, because it's all "part of the plan". But when I say that one little movie theater will be shot up, well then everyone loses their minds!
 
2012-07-20 11:59:01 PM
Did you hear The Dark Knight was a comedy? Yeah, it had people rolling in the aisles.
 
2012-07-20 11:59:55 PM
It could have happened anywhere, at any time. There are 300 million people in this country, at any given time, at least one crack pot is planning is big scene for all to see. It's just the way it is. There's no politics that can stop this, there's no laws that can fix this, nothing can fix this. We can set up a utopia with a 100% employment rate, full access to preventative medical coverage (mental and physical), and a place where everyone actually lives their dreams...the fact of the matter is this shiat will still happen.

We can live in fear or we can live.

/there's nothing to see here, move along
 
2012-07-21 12:01:02 AM
Spot-on, Onion. I hate to say it, but yes.

Trocadero: Having a short memory is a blessing and a curse. We don't have thousand year old blood feuds which influence regional politics for generations, like the Old World. However, we also seem to be incapable of learning from our dumb mistakes, and are always caught by surprise when something truly horrible happens.


In all fairness, I don't think anyone outside those immediately impacted are surprised by this. There are 300 million people in this country, and some of them are mentally unstable and capable of horrible things. As for those in the theatre, nobody ever is truly prepared for this sort of thing, and there really is no way to prepare short of being in the military. So many people talk about what they would have done if they were there, but reality is we have no idea what we would do until the moment arrives.
 
2012-07-21 12:01:11 AM
I'm surprised Fark had the combat pressure suit ads up for so long today....
 
2012-07-21 12:01:20 AM
BigSnatch: You know what I've noticed? Nobody panics when things go "according to plan." Even if the plan is horrifying!

Of course, because we expect things like that to happen to certain groups of people.

BigSnatch: If, tomorrow, I tell the press that, like, a gang banger will get shot, or a truckload of soldiers will be blown up, nobody panics, because it's all "part of the plan".

Well, no one will care about the gang banger because he/she is completely worthless trash who will not be missed, and someone did society a favor by snuffing them. Being blown up is a part of a Soldier's occupational hazards. We expect things like this to happen.

BigSnatch: But when I say that one little movie theater will be shot up, well then everyone loses their minds!

Well, yeah. Your first thought when going to a movie theatre isn't going to be "Well, someone's going to walk in, and go postal on our screen."
 
2012-07-21 12:01:24 AM

Renowned transvestite sexologist: There's no politics that can stop this, there's no laws that can fix this, nothing can fix this.


So why doesn't it happen with such frequency in other western countries?
 
2012-07-21 12:02:03 AM
I was gonna post a "What, You mad bro?" caption of Charles Whitman, but then after deep personal reflection on this tragedy, I remembered that I'm way too lazy to do that.
 
2012-07-21 12:02:03 AM
The nation's citizens also confirmed that, any time now, some religious figure or cable news personality will say something unbelievably insensitive about the tragic shooting.

Too late.

"You know what really gets me, as a Christian, is to see the ongoing attacks on Judeo-Christian beliefs, and then some senseless crazy act of terror like this takes place," Gohmert said.


Walker: Knee jerk reactions left and right are already happening. AMC says no more costumes, masks, or fake weapons allowed. And people are saying they want metal detectors and nude scanners at theaters.


And the theaters will probably go along with it. You know, to prevent people from bringing their own snacks weapons.
 
2012-07-21 12:03:29 AM
Onion writes an article about it, and Fark links to it in 3...2...
 
2012-07-21 12:03:56 AM

ZAZ: I often listen to CBS news on the radio driving home. It may be MSM, but it usually tells me something about what happened today and I can't safely read news online while driving. When anchorboy promised reaction from Obama and Romney during the third segment I realized there wasn't going to be anything else on the news but one five minute story dragged out to 30 minutes. And that made me irked at the shooter. TV news is like a shark. Behavior is built in at the instinctive level. Mass shooting = mass coverage. You don't hate sharks for being sharks. You kill them, if necessary, but without emotion. But the shooter had a brain. He had a choice. He should have known that he was going to displace real news. He could have spared us the media frenzy. For not doing that, he deserves the death penalty.


Are you suggesting the next mass shooter should target the media instead of random civilians?

Because that sounds about right to me. They can ponder the effect on other media talking heads, interview one another's cameramen and on-the-spot reporters; and the rest of us can get on with our lives. Of course, the resulting black hole of suck will cause the media to implode forever, which also is not a bad thing.
 
2012-07-21 12:03:57 AM

whatshisname: So why doesn't it happen with such frequency in other western countries?


Their local crazies make bombs. Same result, different way of expressing it.
 
2012-07-21 12:04:04 AM

BronyMedic: BigSnatch: You know what I've noticed? Nobody panics when things go "according to plan." Even if the plan is horrifying!

Of course, because we expect things like that to happen to certain groups of people.

BigSnatch: If, tomorrow, I tell the press that, like, a gang banger will get shot, or a truckload of soldiers will be blown up, nobody panics, because it's all "part of the plan".

Well, no one will care about the gang banger because he/she is completely worthless trash who will not be missed, and someone did society a favor by snuffing them. Being blown up is a part of a Soldier's occupational hazards. We expect things like this to happen.

BigSnatch: But when I say that one little movie theater will be shot up, well then everyone loses their minds!

Well, yeah. Your first thought when going to a movie theatre isn't going to be "Well, someone's going to walk in, and go postal on our screen."


Have you seen "The Dark Knight?" If you have, that's a pretty good act you're pulling.
 
2012-07-21 12:04:28 AM

BronyMedic: Well, yeah. Your first thought when going to a movie theatre isn't going to be "Well, someone's going to walk in, and go postal on our screen."


A brony not getting it. That's weird
 
2012-07-21 12:04:34 AM

Lsherm: Well, it took them all of four hours to figure out what his middle name was. The first reports didn't have it, but sure enough every story today has it.


Wonder if that'll stick. Use of a middle name in media reports and eventually history books tends to be reserved for serial killers rather than mass murderers.
 
2012-07-21 12:04:42 AM

Hobodeluxe: The subject legally purchased four guns in the last 60 days at two different chain stores. He also purchased 6,000 rounds of various ammunition on the internet in addition to multiple magazines for the assault rifle, including a 100-round drum magazine.

you'd think that the ATF would have a red flag pop up if someone started rapidly loading up like this but no they can't. Thanks NRA


You've obviously not met about half the people in Spokane county.
 
2012-07-21 12:05:48 AM

rohar: You've obviously not met about half the people in Spokane county.


that's Spocompton to you
 
2012-07-21 12:05:58 AM

whatshisname: Renowned transvestite sexologist: There's no politics that can stop this, there's no laws that can fix this, nothing can fix this.

So why doesn't it happen with such frequency in other western countries?


Culture
 
2012-07-21 12:06:11 AM
I'm surprised I haven't seen any crying eagle Batman photoshops yet. You disappoint me, Fark.
 
2012-07-21 12:06:29 AM
ya know, MSNBC is on right now (wife choice) and they're repeatedly showing interviews with survivors and those who escaped this fuktwit.

Listening to these people tell numerous tales of heroically saving friends and unknown nearby moviegoers, I am heartened.
There IS hope for humanity.

It is my prayer that this dickhead gets to see these tales of ordinary people performing heroic acts in the face of his cowardly behavior...
over, and over and over again....intertwined with the mundane but very human tales of love lost and families destroyed

For the rest of his natural life.
 
2012-07-21 12:06:48 AM
The candle light vigils are the worst.
 
2012-07-21 12:07:56 AM
Don't Troll Me Bro!: BronyMedic: BigSnatch: You know what I've noticed? Nobody panics when things go "according to plan." Even if the plan is horrifying!

Of course, because we expect things like that to happen to certain groups of people.

BigSnatch: If, tomorrow, I tell the press that, like, a gang banger will get shot, or a truckload of soldiers will be blown up, nobody panics, because it's all "part of the plan".

Well, no one will care about the gang banger because he/she is completely worthless trash who will not be missed, and someone did society a favor by snuffing them. Being blown up is a part of a Soldier's occupational hazards. We expect things like this to happen.

BigSnatch: But when I say that one little movie theater will be shot up, well then everyone loses their minds!

Well, yeah. Your first thought when going to a movie theatre isn't going to be "Well, someone's going to walk in, and go postal on our screen."

Have you seen "The Dark Knight?" If you have, that's a pretty good act you're pulling.


What, about the gang bangers?

No, I really think that everyone should get a pass for killing bangers. Like, if you choose to be in a gang, you're basically wearing a sign that says "hunt me".

I also think that bangers killing bangers should also be legal. Give them marksmanship classes. That way they can shoot eachother, rather than the three year old riding her bike.

We could make a television show out of it. I mean, hell, we could take over the Biggest Loser, and have it showcase the fattest banger killed that day.

And, before you ask, I think it should transcend all races, creeds, religions, and nationalities. Cap a few David Dukes along with your Snoop Dogs.
 
2012-07-21 12:09:26 AM
FTA: "Oh, and here's another thing I hate I know," Brennen continued, "In exactly two weeks this will all be over and it will be like it never happened."

There's some wishful thinking, and the only thing that isn't true. This will drag on FOREVER, and is big enough to declare that this summer is officially Zimmerman/bath salts/Aurora summer. He didn't even have the kindness to shoot himself either, so now we're going to have to hear whatever crazy shiat he wants to spew, like the Norway killer.

/Seriously, WTF is it with Colorado people?
 
2012-07-21 12:09:36 AM

Walker: Knee jerk reactions left and right are already happening. AMC says no more costumes, masks, or fake weapons allowed. And people are saying they want metal detectors and nude scanners at theaters. Good thing I hardly go to the movies. This will make me go even less if they start searching me every time I walk thru the door. Crazy people are everywhere. If they want to hurt you they will. There's no amount of preventative measures that will prevent it. You could be caring a gun, but they can still shoot you in the back of the head without warning. Life comes with risk. If you don't want to take the risk seal yourself in a bunker.


I call BS. People are saying this? WHAT people are saying this?
 
2012-07-21 12:11:00 AM

Walker: Crazy people are everywhere. If they want to hurt you they will. There's no amount of preventative measures that will prevent it.


O RLY? You're honestly suggesting that if the USA had universal health-care with a preventative care focus and/or stopped criminalizing people with addiction problems and employed harm-reduction methods that these factors would have no impact on amount of violence, crime, and crazy out there?

Fat, drunk and stupid is no way to go through life, son...
 
2012-07-21 12:11:05 AM

drnugget: The candle light vigils are the worst.


Those and the stupid on site litter memorials that stick around for months if not forever.
 
2012-07-21 12:11:11 AM

Genju: Walker: Knee jerk reactions left and right are already happening. AMC says no more costumes, masks, or fake weapons allowed. And people are saying they want metal detectors and nude scanners at theaters. Good thing I hardly go to the movies. This will make me go even less if they start searching me every time I walk thru the door. Crazy people are everywhere. If they want to hurt you they will. There's no amount of preventative measures that will prevent it. You could be caring a gun, but they can still shoot you in the back of the head without warning. Life comes with risk. If you don't want to take the risk seal yourself in a bunker.

LOL even though the guy went through the side exits right? They'll probably only have them on the entrances.


It's like I said in one of the other threads on the subject -- Airport-style security theater would have done absolutely nothing to prevent this massacre (primarily because the metal detectors and cancer machines would all be at the main entrance and TriggerHappy McSmallDick went in through an emergency exit), but will be implemented because it makes middle-aged, middle-class, Middle America white people with mid-sized minivans feel safe.
 
2012-07-21 12:11:40 AM

Walker: Knee jerk reactions left and right are already happening. AMC says no more costumes, masks, or fake weapons allowed. And people are saying they want metal detectors and nude scanners at theaters. Good thing I hardly go to the movies. This will make me go even less if they start searching me every time I walk thru the door. Crazy people are everywhere. If they want to hurt you they will. There's no amount of preventative measures that will prevent it. You could be caring a gun, but they can still shoot you in the back of the head without warning. Life comes with risk. If you don't want to take the risk seal yourself in a bunker.


Are you being logical on the interwebz?!? :O
 
2012-07-21 12:12:24 AM
In my opinion, the ant-gun activists (with the exception of Bloomberg) will keep quiet regarding what happened. They're all too busy waiting and hoping Obama is re elected.

What activists will do is use this as an excuse to psychologically profile potential gun buyers. Probubly. After all, the gunman was a neuro scientist with no criminal history or apparent signs of physchological problems according to his friends.

Just my two cents.
 
2012-07-21 12:14:14 AM
memedepot.com
 
2012-07-21 12:15:12 AM
I got about half way but I couldn't finish reading the article. No, maybe it wasn't all that offensive but I'm afraid The Onion stepped in it this time.
farm6.staticflickr.com
 
2012-07-21 12:15:14 AM

King Something: Genju: Walker: Knee jerk reactions left and right are already happening. AMC says no more costumes, masks, or fake weapons allowed. And people are saying they want metal detectors and nude scanners at theaters. Good thing I hardly go to the movies. This will make me go even less if they start searching me every time I walk thru the door. Crazy people are everywhere. If they want to hurt you they will. There's no amount of preventative measures that will prevent it. You could be caring a gun, but they can still shoot you in the back of the head without warning. Life comes with risk. If you don't want to take the risk seal yourself in a bunker.

LOL even though the guy went through the side exits right? They'll probably only have them on the entrances.

It's like I said in one of the other threads on the subject -- Airport-style security theater would have done absolutely nothing to prevent this massacre (primarily because the metal detectors and cancer machines would all be at the main entrance and TriggerHappy McSmallDick went in through an emergency exit), but will be implemented because it makes middle-aged, middle-class, Middle America white people with mid-sized minivans feel safe.


I keep seeing this term used. Looks like lots of you haven't been to a theater out in fly over country recently. Almost all theaters have exit only doors next to the screens. They're not alarmed. They're there to allow the patrons to exit the theater quickly rather than everyone try and go back out the entrance at once creating a queue.
 
2012-07-21 12:15:34 AM
They missed the part where more of our freedoms are lost in the name of feeling safe. Yeah, fark you GOPers. You farking pussies.
 
2012-07-21 12:16:05 AM

Walker: Knee jerk reactions left and right are already happening. AMC says no more costumes, masks, or fake weapons allowed. And people are saying they want metal detectors and nude scanners at theaters. Good thing I hardly go to the movies. This will make me go even less if they start searching me every time I walk thru the door. Crazy people are everywhere. If they want to hurt you they will. There's no amount of preventative measures that will prevent it. You could be caring a gun, but they can still shoot you in the back of the head without warning. Life comes with risk. If you don't want to take the risk seal yourself in a bunker.


The thing about this is that it's going to be probably a one time thing with the theatre shooting (fingers crossed we don't get a copycat in the coming weeks). There is no terrorist organization that's dedicated to having a shootup at the movies. It's all from a lone nutcase. So all the security amps are not really necessary.
 
2012-07-21 12:16:17 AM

EngineerAU: Lsherm: Well, it took them all of four hours to figure out what his middle name was. The first reports didn't have it, but sure enough every story today has it.

Wonder if that'll stick. Use of a middle name in media reports and eventually history books tends to be reserved for serial killers rather than mass murderers.


It stuck for the UVA shooter and that idiot that shot Giffords, so I don't see why it won't stick this time. They follow a pattern. I'm serious - they didn't have the middle name in the stories yesterday, but try to find a story today that doesn't have it.

It makes me wonder what's going to happen when we get a serial killer/mass murderer who flat out doesn't have a middle name. They may invent a nickname and stick it in there.
 
2012-07-21 12:16:45 AM

mr smart the great: and if only every person would carry a gun or at least a bat.


Your comment reminded me that the Aurora mall used to be gang banger central. There used to be gang shootings in the parking lot all the time. I blame the mexican cartels for making black gangs obsolete. Back in the heyday of the Crips v. Bloods about 50 people in the theater would have shot back.
 
2012-07-21 12:16:52 AM
Why was he able to leave through an emergency exit without an alarm going off? And why was he able to prop open an emergency door? I couldn't prop open the door to my dorm without an alarm sounding, why are these just regular doors?

If an emergency exit is being used for emergencies then an alarm going off when propped isn't an issue since there's a god damn emergency. When the alarm goes off during your movie for no reason that should raise some suspicion in the security office.
 
2012-07-21 12:17:29 AM

WizardofToast: Walker: Knee jerk reactions left and right are already happening. AMC says no more costumes, masks, or fake weapons allowed. And people are saying they want metal detectors and nude scanners at theaters. Good thing I hardly go to the movies. This will make me go even less if they start searching me every time I walk thru the door. Crazy people are everywhere. If they want to hurt you they will. There's no amount of preventative measures that will prevent it. You could be caring a gun, but they can still shoot you in the back of the head without warning. Life comes with risk. If you don't want to take the risk seal yourself in a bunker.

The thing about this is that it's going to be probably a one time thing with the theatre shooting (fingers crossed we don't get a copycat in the coming weeks). There is no terrorist organization that's dedicated to having a shootup at the movies. It's all from a lone nutcase. So all the security amps are not really necessary.


Aryan Nations is regrouping and there's a lot of colored people that go to / are in movies.
 
2012-07-21 12:17:35 AM

BarkingUnicorn: For once, The Onion isn't amusing.


You mean like this?

Link

Brutal and brilliant satire. This article still brings a tear to my eye. It's really tough to read.
 
2012-07-21 12:17:39 AM
BronyMedic:
He went in the theatre as a normal patron. He then exited through the fire escape, propped it open so it wouldn't lock him out, loaded up for bear, and went back in to kill people. Nothing they do will prevent that from happening.

Or..... there could've been alarms or sensors on those doors.
Isn't that the simplest solution to prevent this in the future rather than TSA style patdowns?
I thought it was already this way in theaters to prevent folks from sneaking in.
 
2012-07-21 12:17:49 AM

Triumph: Old and Busted: Body scanners and pat-downs
New Hotness: Genia scanners


I'm not the only one who read this as "genitalia scanners," right? Right??
 
2012-07-21 12:17:58 AM

rohar: I keep seeing this term used. Looks like lots of you haven't been to a theater out in fly over country recently. Almost all theaters have exit only doors next to the screens. They're not alarmed. They're there to allow the patrons to exit the theater quickly rather than everyone try and go back out the entrance at once creating a queue.


They're there for fire safety. To save lives. Is that ironic? I don't even know anymore.
 
2012-07-21 12:18:29 AM

rohar: Hobodeluxe: The subject legally purchased four guns in the last 60 days at two different chain stores. He also purchased 6,000 rounds of various ammunition on the internet in addition to multiple magazines for the assault rifle, including a 100-round drum magazine.

you'd think that the ATF would have a red flag pop up if someone started rapidly loading up like this but no they can't. Thanks NRA

You've obviously not met about half the people in Spokane Stevens County.


FTFY

/Sorry about the correction (I usually hate it when people do that) but the really hardcore gun nuts are to the north of us.
//And thanks for reminding me about where I live. I was thinking of going to a movie this weekend.
///Don't own a gun.
 
2012-07-21 12:19:03 AM

EngineerAU: Lsherm: Well, it took them all of four hours to figure out what his middle name was. The first reports didn't have it, but sure enough every story today has it.

Wonder if that'll stick. Use of a middle name in media reports and eventually history books tends to be reserved for serial killers rather than mass murderers.


And assassins.
 
2012-07-21 12:20:14 AM

JerkyMeat: They missed the part where more of our freedoms are lost in the name of feeling safe. Yeah, fark you GOPers.


They're not the ones calling for more gun control though?
 
2012-07-21 12:20:55 AM

Hobodeluxe: The subject legally purchased four guns in the last 60 days at two different chain stores. He also purchased 6,000 rounds of various ammunition on the internet in addition to multiple magazines for the assault rifle, including a 100-round drum magazine.

you'd think that the ATF would have a red flag pop up if someone started rapidly loading up like this but no they can't. Thanks NRA US Constitution and the presumption of innocence


Fixed that for you.

I suppose we could try the pre-crime route. The ACLU should be OK with that, right?
 
2012-07-21 12:20:56 AM

drjekel_mrhyde: NickelP: Walker: Knee jerk reactions left and right are already happening. AMC says no more costumes, masks, or fake weapons allowed. And people are saying they want metal detectors and nude scanners at theaters. Good thing I hardly go to the movies. This will make me go even less if they start searching me every time I walk thru the door. Crazy people are everywhere. If they want to hurt you they will. There's no amount of preventative measures that will prevent it. You could be caring a gun, but they can still shoot you in the back of the head without warning. Life comes with risk. If you don't want to take the risk seal yourself in a bunker.

Seems reasonable to me.

This


Um, no. My best memory of one of the Star Wars prequels was the guy with the stormtrooper costume in line. This involved a mask and a fake gun. I refuse to accept changes everywhere because of a single event that almost never happens, and even if it happened every damn night, the odds of it affecting any particular moviegoer in any particular theater would still be astronomically low.
 
2012-07-21 12:21:29 AM

RanDomino: Did you hear The Dark Knight was a comedy? Yeah, it had people rolling in the aisles.


Boo
 
2012-07-21 12:22:31 AM

MacWizard: EngineerAU: Lsherm: Well, it took them all of four hours to figure out what his middle name was. The first reports didn't have it, but sure enough every story today has it.

Wonder if that'll stick. Use of a middle name in media reports and eventually history books tends to be reserved for serial killers rather than mass murderers.

And assassins.


Be afraid, very afraid.

;)
 
2012-07-21 12:24:08 AM
I know somebody who'll volunteer to screen patrons during showings of Disney films.
spacebison.com
 
2012-07-21 12:24:21 AM
The Onion forgot the part where screenings and press junkets are canceled for fear of similar attacks, and any movie with a scene remotely resembling a similar massacre is pulled immediately until the aforementioned waiting period where everything is forgotten expires.

By the way, happy Moon Landing Day for anybody wanting to remember something positive about humanity.

www.nasa.gov
 
2012-07-21 12:24:34 AM

Swoop1809: Why was he able to leave through an emergency exit without an alarm going off? And why was he able to prop open an emergency door? I couldn't prop open the door to my dorm without an alarm sounding, why are these just regular doors?

If an emergency exit is being used for emergencies then an alarm going off when propped isn't an issue since there's a god damn emergency. When the alarm goes off during your movie for no reason that should raise some suspicion in the security office.


Last time I was in a theater, the "emergency exit" didn't even have a door. It was an opening right next to the screen, and quite well lit, obviously a funnel to get people clear of the theater and out into the parking lot in an emergency. The outermost door may have been alarmed, but more likely not, and probably only had a pressure bar keeping it shut.

As a former security officer, I can tell you that a very high percentage of "emergency exits" not only don't have alarms on them, but those that do are ridiculously easy to defeat (a piece of tape or tinfoil will do it). Only exits in main areas are alarmed.
 
2012-07-21 12:25:01 AM

Indubitably: MacWizard: EngineerAU: Lsherm: Well, it took them all of four hours to figure out what his middle name was. The first reports didn't have it, but sure enough every story today has it.

Wonder if that'll stick. Use of a middle name in media reports and eventually history books tends to be reserved for serial killers rather than mass murderers.

And assassins.

Be afraid, very afraid.

;)


P.S. Love works, and violence does not; what else do you need to know? That is it.
 
2012-07-21 12:25:07 AM
As I said before, I find it hard to believe that anyone who has lived in the United States for more than five minutes would be surprised that occasionally murderous gunfire breaks out from time to time. This is the dark, seamy underbelly of bootstrappiness and freedums. We're a nation besotted with the Wild West.

Not saying it's bad, I'm basically saying if people want to have their guns and machismo, they'll have to eat it, too. And technically, there's a larger chance you'll get hit by lightning than by a rampaging gunman at the movies, even with costumes, fake guns and masks.
 
2012-07-21 12:26:15 AM

Aloy: FTA: "Oh, and here's another thing I hate I know," Brennen continued, "In exactly two weeks this will all be over and it will be like it never happened."

There's some wishful thinking, and the only thing that isn't true. This will drag on FOREVER, and is big enough to declare that this summer is officially Zimmerman/bath salts/Aurora summer. He didn't even have the kindness to shoot himself either, so now we're going to have to hear whatever crazy shiat he wants to spew, like the Norway killer.

/Seriously, WTF is it with Colorado people?


Hey this dick was a San Diego transplant. Don't lump him in with us. We do have a ton of derp in the form of mountain red necks and the colorado springs conservitards but this dick was not one of us.
 
2012-07-21 12:26:18 AM

amd1433: By the way, happy Moon Landing Day for anybody wanting to remember something positive about humanity.


Approves.
 
2012-07-21 12:29:08 AM
I was shaking my head over this article.

90-odd people die every day from car accidents, and I'll bet these folks still drive. 12 die in a movie theater and that means they're too unsafe.
 
2012-07-21 12:29:51 AM
amd1433: The Onion forgot the part where screenings and press junkets are canceled for fear of similar attacks, and any movie with a scene remotely resembling a similar massacre is pulled immediately until the aforementioned waiting period where everything is forgotten expires.

By the way, happy Moon Landing Day for anybody wanting to remember something positive about humanity.

[www.nasa.gov image 275x248]


Hahah, you believe we actually walked on the moon. Don't you know the radiation in space would instantly kill us! Keep being fooled by the Illuminati Reptillian overlords, fool. Everyone who isn't a sheeple knows the TRUTH.


/sadly, people actually believe this.
//BUZZ ALDRIN PUNCH! - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1wcrkxOgzhU
 
2012-07-21 12:30:16 AM
On the upside, I haven't seen a lot of people buying into the blamestorming that various media outlets and pundits have been pushing.

Whether it's blaming video games, moral decay, political extremism, religion, guns, or other scapegoats the general response I've seen has mostly been a big "FARK YOU" aimed right back at the BS peddlers.
 
2012-07-21 12:31:39 AM

Indubitably: Indubitably: MacWizard: EngineerAU: Lsherm: Well, it took them all of four hours to figure out what his middle name was. The first reports didn't have it, but sure enough every story today has it.

Wonder if that'll stick. Use of a middle name in media reports and eventually history books tends to be reserved for serial killers rather than mass murderers.

And assassins.

Be afraid, very afraid.

;)

P.S. Love works, and violence does not; what else do you need to know? That is it.


What about violent love?
 
2012-07-21 12:33:42 AM
It's almost like mass shootings happen nearly regularly in this country for some completely preventable reason.
 
2012-07-21 12:34:22 AM
When will Michael Moore be back in Colorado doing his next breathless documentary?
 
2012-07-21 12:34:52 AM

theorellior: As I said before, I find it hard to believe that anyone who has lived in the United States for more than five minutes would be surprised that occasionally murderous gunfire breaks out from time to time. This is the dark, seamy underbelly of bootstrappiness and freedums. We're a nation besotted with the Wild West.

Not saying it's bad, I'm basically saying if people want to have their guns and machismo, they'll have to eat it, too. And technically, there's a larger chance you'll someone will get hit by lightning than by a rampaging gunman at the movies, even with costumes, fake guns and masks.


FTFY

Sorry I don't go to the movies, just play around in lightning storms.

Chance of being hit by lightning: >0:1

Chance of being shot in a movie theatre: 0
 
2012-07-21 12:35:05 AM
This was a tragedy but theres 150+ countries that have it worse off
this was nothing compared to their hardships
 
2012-07-21 12:35:29 AM
Additionally, sources nationwide took no pleasure in confirming that some sort of video recording, written material, or disturbing photographs made by the shooter will be surfacing in about an hour or two.

Check:

i.huffpost.com
 
2012-07-21 12:37:08 AM
Yeah, we really don't need the Onion weighing in on this.

Fark them, those jerks.
 
2012-07-21 12:39:34 AM
When I heard there was a story about J. Holmes shooting a load at a theater, I assumed it was about Fred Willard.
 
2012-07-21 12:41:05 AM

GAT_00: It's almost like mass shootings happen nearly regularly in this country for some completely preventable reason.


Make the bullets cost $5,000 a piece?

/Chris Rock
//6,000 rounds of ammo bought in 2 months
///shakes head
 
2012-07-21 12:41:13 AM

amd1433: The Onion forgot the part where screenings and press junkets are canceled for fear of similar attacks, and any movie with a scene remotely resembling a similar massacre is pulled immediately until the aforementioned waiting period where everything is forgotten expires.

By the way, happy Moon Landing Day for anybody wanting to remember something positive about humanity.

[www.nasa.gov image 275x248]


Nice Boat.
 
2012-07-21 12:41:21 AM
They had a good idea with this one but needed to take it a step further to be amusing.

Observation: There's a very predictable cycle afterward with these types of events.

They pretty much just repeated their observation without twisting it into something funny.
 
2012-07-21 12:43:33 AM

BronyMedic: Hobodeluxe: The subject legally purchased four guns in the last 60 days at two different chain stores. He also purchased 6,000 rounds of various ammunition on the internet in addition to multiple magazines for the assault rifle, including a 100-round drum magazine.

you'd think that the ATF would have a red flag pop up if someone started rapidly loading up like this but no they can't. Thanks NRA

Of course not! That'd be one step closer towards letting the UN-Obama-Illuminati conspiracy get our guns!

Genju: Walker: Knee jerk reactions left and right are already happening. AMC says no more costumes, masks, or fake weapons allowed. And people are saying they want metal detectors and nude scanners at theaters. Good thing I hardly go to the movies. This will make me go even less if they start searching me every time I walk thru the door. Crazy people are everywhere. If they want to hurt you they will. There's no amount of preventative measures that will prevent it. You could be caring a gun, but they can still shoot you in the back of the head without warning. Life comes with risk. If you don't want to take the risk seal yourself in a bunker.

LOL even though the guy went through the side exits right? They'll probably only have them on the entrances.

He went in the theatre as a normal patron. He then exited through the fire escape, propped it open so it wouldn't lock him out, loaded up for bear, and went back in to kill people. Nothing they do will prevent that from happening.


Actually if the door set off an alarm if it was propped open too long someone would have checked on it and closed it. We have them at work lets off a high squeal. In a theater that would definately get someone's attention.
 
2012-07-21 12:45:28 AM

Wayne 985: I was shaking my head over this article.

90-odd people die every day from car accidents, and I'll bet these folks still drive. 12 die in a movie theater and that means they're too unsafe.


To be fair, most individual car accidents don't have a dozen fatalities and over fifty people injured. And the few that do have that many casualties are generally not deliberately caused by some guy who was probably butthurt that he couldn't get laid in med school.

/I am not sure of what the shooter's motive was or even if he had one; I'm just speculating
//it's not entirely an ass-pull on my part, since it's the reason that other guy shot up Virginia Tech
 
2012-07-21 12:46:55 AM
With scalpel-like precision, the American populace then went on to predict, to the minute, how long it will take for the media to swarm Aurora, CO, how long it will take for them to leave, and exactly when questions will be raised as to whether or not violence in movies and video games had something to do with the act

Interviewing people on the street, as if simply being a resident of Aurora, CO somehow makes your reaction relevant or informative. Never mind it's only a reaction to hearing the same news that we heard. "My sister works in the same building as someone who was in the theater who survived, so it struck us pretty close to home, I mean, that could have just as easily been my sister. Or me."
 
2012-07-21 12:47:10 AM

BronyMedic: He went in the theatre as a normal patron. He then exited through the fire escape, propped it open so it wouldn't lock him out, loaded up for bear, and went back in to kill people. Nothing they do will prevent that from happening.


Calls to lock fire exists so this can't happen again expected....
 
2012-07-21 12:47:12 AM
Who will counsel the grief counselors?
 
2012-07-21 12:51:03 AM

simplicimus: Contrabulous Flabtraption: Sad and completely accurate

Sadly, we all know the drill by now, what happens after a tragedy.


yeah, it's just like a game of russian roulette or Japanese roulette where the only questions are when, where, who and how of the event itself, and waiting to wait for the full picture to come together piece by piece.

It's sounding sort of like the norwegian guy, except he failed to set off his distraction. This guy's loud music didn't get the cops called, which he banked on to set off his apartment bomb and distract while he went shooting. Protip: get a burner phone and call in the complaint yourself in situations like this.
 
2012-07-21 12:52:25 AM
Strange thing, the media. When I was growing up, the Challenger explosion (1986) was a defining, Kennedy-type moment. Everyone remembers the circumstances - where they were, even what they were wearing.

Obviously this was the case with 9/11. On a more personal level, Katrina. And those are pretty much the stories that have defined my life, inasmuch as I remember even the smell of the room I was in when it went down. And

But now? What national tragedy do I pick? EVERYTHING is a farking NATIONAL tragedy with 24 straight hours of 'coverage,' interrupted sporadically by 45 seconds of hundreds of people dying in some other country we can't be arsed to care about (also five minutes of commercials). Not so long ago, people died all the time and we weren't spoon fed about it.

The single most depressing thing about the United States is our TV media. It truly is the root of damn near all our problems. Politics are hopelessly dramatized, serious crime is given weight based upon how appealing the victim is, and we're all worked into a frenzy about every goddamned thing - and if not we'll sex it up until we are sufficiently shocked or outraged.

America, you used to be cool.
 
2012-07-21 12:52:43 AM
...by 1:30 p.m. tomorrow the issue will have been politicized.

Wow, talk about an overestimate.
 
2012-07-21 12:54:52 AM

Walker: Knee jerk reactions left and right are already happening. AMC says no more costumes, masks, or fake weapons allowed. And people are saying they want metal detectors and nude scanners at theaters. Good thing I hardly go to the movies. This will make me go even less if they start searching me every time I walk thru the door. Crazy people are everywhere. If they want to hurt you they will. There's no amount of preventative measures that will prevent it. You could be caring a gun, but they can still shoot you in the back of the head without warning. Life comes with risk. If you don't want to take the risk seal yourself in a bunker.


Please, let the war on cosplay fanboys end before it begins! What would a con BE without Master Chief with an Assault Rifle?

I actually feel sorry for the studio here. This is definitely gonna put a damper on the release, and while studios are kinda evil, they didn't do anything to deserve this. $250M invested and a whole lot of work by a lot of people and there's no telling what kind of future it has now.
 
2012-07-21 12:54:57 AM
the article also forgot, of the tacky digital remembrances

i.imgur.com

i.imgur.com

i.imgur.com
 
2012-07-21 12:55:42 AM

stuffer: simplicimus: Contrabulous Flabtraption: Sad and completely accurate

Sadly, we all know the drill by now, what happens after a tragedy.

yeah, it's just like a game of russian roulette or Japanese roulette where the only questions are when, where, who and how of the event itself, and waiting to wait for the full picture to come together piece by piece.

It's sounding sort of like the norwegian guy, except he failed to set off his distraction. This guy's loud music didn't get the cops called, which he banked on to set off his apartment bomb and distract while he went shooting. Protip: get a burner phone and call in the complaint yourself in situations like this.


There was a 911 call to the cops about the music. Some poor neighboor almost went in when she noticed the door was unlocked.
 
2012-07-21 12:56:18 AM
img259.imageshack.us

O HAI GUISE! WAT IZ GOING ON IN DIS THREAD?

/pass the bath salts, plz
 
2012-07-21 12:57:57 AM

invictus2: the article also forgot, of the tacky digital remembrances

[i.imgur.com image 600x800]

[i.imgur.com image 540x720]

[i.imgur.com image 720x720]


permaban the facebook accounts of anyone who posts those imo
 
2012-07-21 01:00:06 AM
Sadly when I heard about this all I could think was violence has detached itself from sanity. School shooters ostensibly have been picked on or have some other grudge, Same goes with workplace violence. What did this guy have against movie theater patrons?

/The Onions article only makes me sad because it makes nonsense of a tragedy so soon.
 
2012-07-21 01:01:42 AM

King Something: Wayne 985: I was shaking my head over this article.

90-odd people die every day from car accidents, and I'll bet these folks still drive. 12 die in a movie theater and that means they're too unsafe.

To be fair, most individual car accidents don't have a dozen fatalities and over fifty people injured. And the few that do have that many casualties are generally not deliberately caused by some guy who was probably butthurt that he couldn't get laid in med school.

/I am not sure of what the shooter's motive was or even if he had one; I'm just speculating
//it's not entirely an ass-pull on my part, since it's the reason that other guy shot up Virginia Tech


Understood, but you've gotta keep in mind that what you're describing is sensationalism. I'm statistically more likely to be killed driving in to work tomorrow than I am watching a movie in a theater, but it's the sensationalism that is preventing other people from understanding that and behaving rationally.

Common sense precautions are one thing (not allowing masks or bags in a theater, keeping alert, etc), but it's silly to lock oneself away from life.
 
2012-07-21 01:02:39 AM

BarkingUnicorn: For once, The Onion isn't amusing.


Agree. Not even close to being funny.

/Too soon?
//No the Onion sucks right now.
 
2012-07-21 01:03:47 AM
I sense that most of this article was written years ago with Madlib type blanks.
 
2012-07-21 01:03:53 AM

RanDomino: Did you hear The Dark Knight was a comedy? Yeah, it had people rolling in the aisles.


Thank you for writing Leno's material for him for the night.
 
2012-07-21 01:04:33 AM
img31.imageshack.us
 
2012-07-21 01:06:06 AM

CreepyBasementGuy: BarkingUnicorn: For once, The Onion isn't amusing.

Agree. Not even close to being funny.

/Too soon?
//No the Onion sucks right now.


For being right? The Onion sucks? Or is America frkked?

The Onion...Spot on here. And it's goddam tragic that they are.
 
2012-07-21 01:10:19 AM

GAT_00: It's almost like mass shootings happen nearly regularly in this country for some completely preventable reason.


• July 20, 2012 Aurora, CO (12+ dead)
• July 20, 2012 Utoya, Norway (80 dead)
• Nov. 5, 2009 Ft, TX (13 dead)
• April 30, 2009 Baku, Azerbaijan (12 dead)
• March 10, 2009 Alabama (28 dead)
• Sept. 23, 2008 Kauhajoki, Finland (10 dead)
• Nov. 7, 2007 Tuusula, Finland (8 dead)
• April 16, 2007 VA Tech, Blacksburg, Va (32 dead)
• April 26, 2002 Erfut, Germany (13 dead)
• April 20, 1999 Litton, CO (12 dead)
• April 28, 1996 Tasmania, Australia (20 dead)
• March 13, 1996 Dunblane, Scotland (43 dead)
• Oct. 16, 1991 Killeen Texas (23 dead)
• June 18, 1990 Jacksonville, Fl (10 dead)

United States has a little over 5 people killed in this kind of mass shooting per year.

You are more likely to be killed falling out of your farking bed (450 people/year) than you are of being killed in a massacre by some crackpot(s) with guns. It seems really scary and important, but in the bigger picture, it's not.
 
2012-07-21 01:13:06 AM
Can't wait til some guy drives across the country and erects wooden crosses for the victims so we can make a family trip of walking past them.
 
2012-07-21 01:13:38 AM

Renowned transvestite sexologist: GAT_00: It's almost like mass shootings happen nearly regularly in this country for some completely preventable reason.

• July 20, 2012 Aurora, CO (12+ dead)
• July 20, 2012 Utoya, Norway (80 dead)
• Nov. 5, 2009 Ft, TX (13 dead)
• April 30, 2009 Baku, Azerbaijan (12 dead)
• March 10, 2009 Alabama (28 dead)
• Sept. 23, 2008 Kauhajoki, Finland (10 dead)
• Nov. 7, 2007 Tuusula, Finland (8 dead)
• April 16, 2007 VA Tech, Blacksburg, Va (32 dead)
• April 26, 2002 Erfut, Germany (13 dead)
• April 20, 1999 Litton, CO (12 dead)
• April 28, 1996 Tasmania, Australia (20 dead)
• March 13, 1996 Dunblane, Scotland (43 dead)
• Oct. 16, 1991 Killeen Texas (23 dead)
• June 18, 1990 Jacksonville, Fl (10 dead)

United States has a little over 5 people killed in this kind of mass shooting per year.

You are more likely to be killed falling out of your farking bed (450 people/year) than you are of being killed in a massacre by some crackpot(s) with guns. It seems really scary and important, but in the bigger picture, it's not.


Oh...fark you

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2012-07-21 01:14:42 AM

elguerodiablo: stuffer: simplicimus: Contrabulous Flabtraption: Sad and completely accurate

Sadly, we all know the drill by now, what happens after a tragedy.

yeah, it's just like a game of russian roulette or Japanese roulette where the only questions are when, where, who and how of the event itself, and waiting to wait for the full picture to come together piece by piece.

It's sounding sort of like the norwegian guy, except he failed to set off his distraction. This guy's loud music didn't get the cops called, which he banked on to set off his apartment bomb and distract while he went shooting. Protip: get a burner phone and call in the complaint yourself in situations like this.

There was a 911 call to the cops about the music. Some poor neighboor almost went in when she noticed the door was unlocked.


I guess the protip then would be to just put a bomb on a timer for your distraction. call the cops and try and get them there if you want to try and blow them up, but good distraction either way.
 
2012-07-21 01:17:00 AM

PanicMan: rohar: I keep seeing this term used. Looks like lots of you haven't been to a theater out in fly over country recently. Almost all theaters have exit only doors next to the screens. They're not alarmed. They're there to allow the patrons to exit the theater quickly rather than everyone try and go back out the entrance at once creating a queue.

They're there for fire safety. To save lives. Is that ironic? I don't even know anymore.


Well they probably did end up saving lives since they provided options for exit other than the entrance from the lobby.

I'm just guessing here, but I'm sure they're also not specifically "emergency" doors. They're certainly there for exit in case of emergency, but they're probably you standard additional exit doors that most theaters have that dump you out right to the parking lot. And because of that, they aren't alarmed.
 
2012-07-21 01:20:50 AM
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2012-07-21 01:21:23 AM
There is still a slight difference between this and the others. Normally the shooter's name is on the last bullet fired. The fact that the "suspect" is still alive, means there are a few new variables.
 
2012-07-21 01:22:09 AM

stuffer: elguerodiablo: stuffer: simplicimus: Contrabulous Flabtraption: Sad and completely accurate

Sadly, we all know the drill by now, what happens after a tragedy.

yeah, it's just like a game of russian roulette or Japanese roulette where the only questions are when, where, who and how of the event itself, and waiting to wait for the full picture to come together piece by piece.

It's sounding sort of like the norwegian guy, except he failed to set off his distraction. This guy's loud music didn't get the cops called, which he banked on to set off his apartment bomb and distract while he went shooting. Protip: get a burner phone and call in the complaint yourself in situations like this.

There was a 911 call to the cops about the music. Some poor neighboor almost went in when she noticed the door was unlocked.

I guess the protip then would be to just put a bomb on a timer for your distraction. call the cops and try and get them there if you want to try and blow them up, but good distraction either way.


Well as long as we get a good protip oit of this we all win.
 
2012-07-21 01:24:34 AM

Renowned transvestite sexologist: United States has a little over 5 people killed in this kind of mass shooting per year.


Well that's OK then!
 
2012-07-21 01:25:44 AM

RanDomino: Did you hear The Dark Knight was a comedy? Yeah, it had people rolling in the aisles.


I was laughing like crazy at this.
 
2012-07-21 01:25:47 AM

babtras: There is still a slight difference between this and the others. Normally the shooter's name is on the last bullet fired. The fact that the "suspect" is still alive, means there are a few new variables.


I'm not looking forward to the media being inundated by the trial. Granted I don't watch the cable "news" networks because of that sorta thing.
 
2012-07-21 01:30:47 AM

GAT_00: Renowned transvestite sexologist: United States has a little over 5 people killed in this kind of mass shooting per year.

Well that's OK then!


By that reasoning, 9/11 was just a statistical anomaly. No reason for concern.
 
2012-07-21 01:36:43 AM

whatshisname: GAT_00: Renowned transvestite sexologist: United States has a little over 5 people killed in this kind of mass shooting per year.

Well that's OK then!

By that reasoning, 9/11 was just a statistical anomaly. No reason for concern.


Yeah I mean how long has it been since the last Al-Qaeda attack on U.S. soil? Oh there hasn't been once since the first attack almost 11 years ago? Well obviously Homeland Security is doing their job. Exactly mofos!
 
2012-07-21 01:38:36 AM
Wow. The Onion abandons funny and hits a sad truth. Next news cycle!
 
2012-07-21 01:38:55 AM

babtras: There is still a slight difference between this and the others. Normally the shooter's name is on the last bullet fired. The fact that the "suspect" is still alive, means there are a few new variables.


Only that we'll get an extra 18 months of panic and hysteria as we go through his pretrial hearings, trial, sentencing, and post-sentencing analysis by the media talking heads.
 
2012-07-21 01:48:07 AM

Oneofthesedays: whatshisname: GAT_00: Renowned transvestite sexologist: United States has a little over 5 people killed in this kind of mass shooting per year.

Well that's OK then!

By that reasoning, 9/11 was just a statistical anomaly. No reason for concern.

Yeah I mean how long has it been since the last Al-Qaeda attack on U.S. soil? Oh there hasn't been once since the first attack almost 11 years ago? Well obviously Homeland Security is doing their job. Exactly mofos!


I thought it was because of all the magically charmed anti terrorism bracelets we all bought.
 
2012-07-21 01:48:27 AM

BronyMedic: Have you seen "The Dark Knight?" If you have, that's a pretty good act you're pulling.

What, about the gang bangers?

No, I really think that everyone should get a pass for killing bangers. Like, if you choose to be in a gang, you're basically wearing a sign that says "hunt me".

I also think that bangers killing bangers should also be legal. Give them marksmanship classes. That way they can shoot eachother, rather than the three year old riding her bike.

We could make a television show out of it. I mean, hell, we could take over the Biggest Loser, and have it showcase the fattest banger killed that day.

And, before you ask, I think it should transcend all races, creeds, religions, and nationalities. Cap a few David Dukes along with your Snoop Dogs.


I was honestly just asking if you had watched "The Dark Knight." That's what the person was referencing, and it seemed you didn't get that. I really wasn't insinuating anything.
 
2012-07-21 01:49:21 AM

GAT_00: Well that's OK then!


I didn't say it's Okay. I would love to have everyone last one of our brothers and sisters we lost to this maniac brought back from death. I also think it's important to have the national conversation about guns and violence from time to time. I'm just pointing out, in terms of actual measurable threats to our lives, maniacs going out on a big murder spree is pretty low on the list of things we are actually going to die from.

whatshisname: By that reasoning, 9/11 was just a statistical anomaly. No reason for concern.


It is a statistical anomaly and a national tragedy. I can be both. I am FAR more likely to die in a car accident than I am to die at the hands of a Islamic Terrorist. We can stop dropping bombs on clay huts and treat it as a intelligence and law enforcement issue without comprising our safety in any meaningful way.
 
2012-07-21 01:50:05 AM
Hope this doesn't end up making it difficult to carry a flask of alcohol into a theatre.

Most movies would be unbearable without a pint of Bacardi.
 
2012-07-21 01:50:37 AM

Gyrfalcon: babtras: There is still a slight difference between this and the others. Normally the shooter's name is on the last bullet fired. The fact that the "suspect" is still alive, means there are a few new variables.

Only that we'll get an extra 18 months of panic and hysteria as we go through his pretrial hearings, trial, sentencing, and post-sentencing analysis by the media talking heads.


I'm not the only one that abhors this shiat?!? Hey sponsors! Fark off!
 
2012-07-21 01:52:48 AM
I, for one, am sick and tired of the world 'alleged'.
 
2012-07-21 01:53:25 AM

Sid Deuces: Hope this doesn't end up making it difficult to carry a flask of alcohol into a theatre.

Most movies would be unbearable without a pint of Bacardi.


Pre-game. Depending on the length of the movie you may have to drink multiple shots immediately before the movie starts. :D
 
2012-07-21 01:54:28 AM
The Onion thing was pretty much spot on. I live in Castle Rock CO. 15 minutes away from Aurora. I think they were going more a condemnation of the media circus. I am just sad these young people lost thier lives or were maimed in this attack. I don't have kids but the mere thought of a policeman showing up at someones door at 3AM to say your kid is dead just breaks me up
 
2012-07-21 01:54:36 AM

Githerax: I, for one, am sick and tired of the world 'alleged'.


What are you alleging? ;D
 
2012-07-21 01:54:49 AM

Oneofthesedays: Sid Deuces: Hope this doesn't end up making it difficult to carry a flask of alcohol into a theatre.

Most movies would be unbearable without a pint of Bacardi.

Pre-game. Depending on the length of the movie you may have to drink multiple shots immediately before the movie starts. :D


This sounds like my plan before going to a night club and have to dance. :)
 
2012-07-21 01:55:04 AM

X-boxershorts: Oh...fark you


That's all you have? Not some argument to the contrary? In the aftermath of the Tucson shooting the anti-gun portion of the left was trying to ban high capacity magazines. It's not an irrational thing to be concerned with that subset of the left wanting to ban guns after these things. It always happens. Rachel Maddow (who I otherwise enjoy) spends weeks talking about how we should ban things because "if high capacity magazines didn't exist, someone could have tackled Loughner sooner".

So it is an on-going battle. It's not irrational to be defensive on this issue. Gun grabbers are still grabbing at guns.
 
2012-07-21 01:55:13 AM

Githerax: I, for one, am sick and tired of the world 'alleged'.


Well 'alleged' doesn't mean 'entirely confirmed'. I think we should check the grassy knoll.
 
2012-07-21 01:55:50 AM

Oneofthesedays: Gyrfalcon: babtras: There is still a slight difference between this and the others. Normally the shooter's name is on the last bullet fired. The fact that the "suspect" is still alive, means there are a few new variables.

Only that we'll get an extra 18 months of panic and hysteria as we go through his pretrial hearings, trial, sentencing, and post-sentencing analysis by the media talking heads.

I'm not the only one that abhors this shiat?!? Hey sponsors! Fark off!


I wish. If we have to have an OJ-style dissection (messy, sloppy, performed by amateur sous chefs) every single time we have a killer's trial, the advertisers should have to put all their funds directly into a victim's restitution pot.
 
2012-07-21 02:01:54 AM

ZipSplat: X-boxershorts: Oh...fark you

That's all you have? Not some argument to the contrary? In the aftermath of the Tucson shooting the anti-gun portion of the left was trying to ban high capacity magazines. It's not an irrational thing to be concerned with that subset of the left wanting to ban guns after these things. It always happens. Rachel Maddow (who I otherwise enjoy) spends weeks talking about how we should ban things because "if high capacity magazines didn't exist, someone could have tackled Loughner sooner".

So it is an on-going battle. It's not irrational to be defensive on this issue. Gun grabbers are still grabbing at guns.


It sounds like Rachel Maddow had a good point. I'm fine with gun ownership, but Jesus. Things should probably be a little more regulated and restricted when maniacs can buy those kind of weapons.
 
2012-07-21 02:04:07 AM

Wayne 985: ZipSplat: X-boxershorts: Oh...fark you

That's all you have? Not some argument to the contrary? In the aftermath of the Tucson shooting the anti-gun portion of the left was trying to ban high capacity magazines. It's not an irrational thing to be concerned with that subset of the left wanting to ban guns after these things. It always happens. Rachel Maddow (who I otherwise enjoy) spends weeks talking about how we should ban things because "if high capacity magazines didn't exist, someone could have tackled Loughner sooner".

So it is an on-going battle. It's not irrational to be defensive on this issue. Gun grabbers are still grabbing at guns.

It sounds like Rachel Maddow had a good point. I'm fine with gun ownership, but Jesus. Things should probably be a little more regulated and restricted when maniacs can buy those kind of weapons.


I would wholeheartedly agree if only we could easily differentiate between maniacs and "us" sane people. ;D
 
2012-07-21 02:04:50 AM
Sometimes, it seems like people have such incredibly hollow lives that they spend their days looking for that big break when they'll finally be victimized and traumatized like their heroes. And if it doesn't quite happen that way, well, dammit, they'll make it happen anyway, because it's that or the crushing monotony of everyday life.

/Live a little when you're young, you won't feel the need to chase every tragedy with dramatic flair.
 
2012-07-21 02:05:13 AM
I'm not sure what the point of owning assault weapons for civilians even is, other than you can buy it.
 
2012-07-21 02:05:37 AM

Wayne 985: It sounds like Rachel Maddow had a good point. I'm fine with gun ownership, but Jesus. Things should probably be a little more regulated and restricted when maniacs can buy those kind of weapons.


But then how will we defend ourselves when the government comes marching to force ObamaCare down our throats? durr
 
2012-07-21 02:06:19 AM

liquidsiphon: I'm not sure what the point of owning assault weapons for civilians even is, other than you can buy it.


They make me a patriot.
 
2012-07-21 02:06:48 AM

Wayne 985: ZipSplat: X-boxershorts: Oh...fark you

That's all you have? Not some argument to the contrary? In the aftermath of the Tucson shooting the anti-gun portion of the left was trying to ban high capacity magazines. It's not an irrational thing to be concerned with that subset of the left wanting to ban guns after these things. It always happens. Rachel Maddow (who I otherwise enjoy) spends weeks talking about how we should ban things because "if high capacity magazines didn't exist, someone could have tackled Loughner sooner".

So it is an on-going battle. It's not irrational to be defensive on this issue. Gun grabbers are still grabbing at guns.

It sounds like Rachel Maddow had a good point. I'm fine with gun ownership, but Jesus. Things should probably be a little more regulated and restricted when maniacs can buy those kind of weapons.


So you're saying something like a National healthcare plan where everyone can get metal health help and drugs if needed.
/It couldn't possibly be the type of society we're in that isolates people and makes them feel like outcast.
 
2012-07-21 02:07:05 AM
Even sadder is that this shooter knows exactly how this aftermath will play out.

/a trial, verdict, and sentencing within 30 days of today would fark up his timeline.
 
2012-07-21 02:07:41 AM

evil saltine: Wayne 985: It sounds like Rachel Maddow had a good point. I'm fine with gun ownership, but Jesus. Things should probably be a little more regulated and restricted when maniacs can buy those kind of weapons.

But then how will we defend ourselves when the government comes marching to force ObamaCare down our throats? durr


Lol. Let my flattop AR-15 destroy my ebil government's Apache! That's the ticket. Stupid 0bama.
 
2012-07-21 02:09:11 AM
The Onion. Goddamn national treasure. It's satire bitingly and sadly, not really, satire.
 
2012-07-21 02:09:22 AM

ZipSplat: X-boxershorts: Oh...fark you

That's all you have? Not some argument to the contrary? In the aftermath of the Tucson shooting the anti-gun portion of the left was trying to ban high capacity magazines. It's not an irrational thing to be concerned with that subset of the left wanting to ban guns after these things. It always happens. Rachel Maddow (who I otherwise enjoy) spends weeks talking about how we should ban things because "if high capacity magazines didn't exist, someone could have tackled Loughner sooner".

So it is an on-going battle. It's not irrational to be defensive on this issue. Gun grabbers are still grabbing at guns.


It's always interesting how things get re-framed. For instance, the Glock 17 was designed for a magazine that could hold 17 rounds (just a coincidence, not the derivation of its model number). Therefore, 17 rounds is a "normal capacity" magazine. How, then did it become "high capacity"?

That is the sort of thing that happens when one party says that something could never happen so it's not worth paying attention to. In the meantime someone re-frames the debate, cashes in on it, and you're left wondering what the hell just happened that you're now sucking hind tit.

It happens with everything and everybody, someone is always trying to set you up for something. With guns, however, people are wise to it thanks to the efforts of thousands of normal, law-abiding people who have been burned one time too many. Looks like we're up for another few rounds of it after this tragedy, too.
 
2012-07-21 02:11:39 AM

Wayne 985: It sounds like Rachel Maddow had a good point. I'm fine with gun ownership, but Jesus. Things should probably be a little more regulated and restricted when maniacs can buy those kind of weapons.


Drunk drivers kill FAR more people per capital per year than sociopathic mass murders do in the United States. Perspective, get some.

Unlike the person you were responding to, I'm okay with "Gun Control". I just believe that if you're going to an argument, don't make a weak and meaningless one. You're arguing from an emotional response, not reason.

If your going to make an argument for or against gun control, do it from the FULL stats on gun deaths in the United States. Then, make an argument for or against how a specific regulation will lower a measurable and preventable trend in gun deaths.

If the magazine is smaller, the person brings more guns that have full magazines. Sociopathic killers are kind of like that. I propose that as long as guns are legal in the United States, Sociopathic mass murders will continue to use them to kill a high number of people per incident no matter what regulations you put on gun sales.

If the gun is out of reach when your having an argument with your wife, you just may be less likely to kill her. That's an argument to be made.
 
2012-07-21 02:11:43 AM

whatshisname: GAT_00: Renowned transvestite sexologist: United States has a little over 5 people killed in this kind of mass shooting per year.

Well that's OK then!

By that reasoning, 9/11 was just a statistical anomaly. No reason for concern.


Correct. Now give me back my freedom to move about the country without being molested. And if Al Qaeda is such a threat, why is the West backing their efforts in Syria? Assad has chemical weapons and you want to let those guys get a hold of them? Great policy choice.
 
2012-07-21 02:14:31 AM

Wayne 985: It sounds like Rachel Maddow had a good point. I'm fine with gun ownership, but Jesus. Things should probably be a little more regulated and restricted when maniacs can buy those kind of weapons.


Like I said earlier, pre-crime is against the Constitution. I suppose we can change that if you'd like to, but you probably won't like how it works out. I understand that gulags aren't especially nice places.

That's really it. Either people can buy weapons with a clean record or they can't. This guy was clean as a whistle, so barring some future-seeing women floating in a pool there was nothing that could have stopped this short of an outright ban, bringing us back to that pesky Constitution again.

Innocence until guilt is proven. It's a biatch sometimes, but it's far better than the alternative.
 
2012-07-21 02:16:03 AM

elguerodiablo: Some poor neighboor almost went in when she noticed the door was unlocked.


I bet she was afraid she was going to walk in and find a dead body. I've read stories where neighbors hear loud music blasting, and they knock and no one answers, so they go inside and find someone dead on the floor. I bet that thought crossed her mind, so she decided not to open the door.
 
2012-07-21 02:22:11 AM

Wayne 985: It sounds like Rachel Maddow had a good point. I'm fine with gun ownership, but Jesus. Things should probably be a little more regulated and restricted when maniacs can buy those kind of weapons.


If Jared Loughner didn't have a high capacity magazine, what would be the next logical "could've banned" thing? And the next? And the next?

My belief is (as someone else mentioned) that we should have a reasonable healthcare system that fully treats people with mental illness, at the cost of the state. Banning shiat is dumb. It's a weak response that removes liberties from the hundreds of millions of people not even involved because of incidents that do not reflect general trends in behavior, and it has no end. Ban high capacity magazines. Did this guy in Colorado use high capacity mags? No? Ban whatever novel item he may have used.

When the Loughner incident happened, I was very angry at the left for using the event to try to ban guns instead of trying to improve our healthcare system. It's a profoundly stupid reaction from the left every time something like this happens to think that we need to take away everyone's toys instead of improve their living conditions.

These things don't happen in a vacuum. There are other variables in play. Almost every time people knew something wasn't right. In Loughner's case he was an actual schizophrenic. Despite all of the goddamn warning signs nobody got that motherfarker help other than to kick him out of school and say "see a shrink".

That is a much more valid and important issue than "OMG, ban the tools that crazy people use when they decide to kill people."
 
2012-07-21 02:23:08 AM

Renowned transvestite sexologist: Wayne 985: It sounds like Rachel Maddow had a good point. I'm fine with gun ownership, but Jesus. Things should probably be a little more regulated and restricted when maniacs can buy those kind of weapons.

Drunk drivers kill FAR more people per capital per year than sociopathic mass murders do in the United States. Perspective, get some.

Unlike the person you were responding to, I'm okay with "Gun Control". I just believe that if you're going to an argument, don't make a weak and meaningless one. You're arguing from an emotional response, not reason.

If your going to make an argument for or against gun control, do it from the FULL stats on gun deaths in the United States. Then, make an argument for or against how a specific regulation will lower a measurable and preventable trend in gun deaths.

If the magazine is smaller, the person brings more guns that have full magazines. Sociopathic killers are kind of like that. I propose that as long as guns are legal in the United States, Sociopathic mass murders will continue to use them to kill a high number of people per incident no matter what regulations you put on gun sales.

If the gun is out of reach when your having an argument with your wife, you just may be less likely to kill her. That's an argument to be made.


I just don't think you need to have high capacity magazines. What would be the use? If you are hunting you aren't going to fire 30+ rounds at a target. There's no point to high capacity magazines that I can think of. Not trying to mock or anything, I just don't see the point.
 
2012-07-21 02:26:18 AM

RanDomino: Did you hear The Dark Knight was a comedy? Yeah, it had people rolling in the aisles.


I nearly died laughing (at your quip).

/window seat, please
 
2012-07-21 02:29:00 AM
This must have been outrage at how silly Bane's and Batman's first fight was...

/windmill cookies
 
2012-07-21 02:32:34 AM

liquidsiphon: I just don't think you need to have high capacity magazines. What would be the use? If you are hunting you aren't going to fire 30+ rounds at a target. There's no point to high capacity magazines that I can think of. Not trying to mock or anything, I just don't see the point.


1) To not have to reload all the time for sport shooting.
2) To not have to reload all the time if you're killing people, which is what the 2nd Amendment's protection is intended for.

We live in a country that has as one of its founding principles the preservation of your ability to have a gun for the express reason of defending yourself or the country - which means killing other human beings.
 
2012-07-21 02:33:46 AM
I wonder what's going to happen with the theater? Nobody is going to want to go into the one where the shooting happened. But I doubt they'll do anything like tear the building down. Maybe they'll renovate the inside so it doesn't look the same. I think that's what they did at Columbine. They renovated the parts where the shootings took place.
 
2012-07-21 02:36:09 AM

liquidsiphon: I just don't think you need to have high capacity magazines. What would be the use? If you are hunting you aren't going to fire 30+ rounds at a target. There's no point to high capacity magazines that I can think of. Not trying to mock or anything, I just don't see the point.


There's no need for everyone to able to own a chainsaw and no one proposes banning them because they feel they aren't "needed" by the general population.

I'm sympathetic, really man. I'm not a fan of guns, I really see no reason to own a gun for "protection". It's more likely to kill someone who lives in my house than it is to actually save me from being killed by an intruder.

That being said, I still try to be intellectually honest when I think about Gun Control. Without going through a civil war, guns will not be banned in the United States. That's the starting point, guns are here to stay. Anything proposal for "Gun Control" has to be thought about with that as a starting point.

Getting rid of high capacity magazines will just make sociopathic killers can an additional fully loaded gun. Even the high school killers carry multiple weapons when they go on their rampage. It's the modus operandi of sociopathic mass murderers. It won't stop them from shooting up a movie theater. If they really want to be prepared, they'll spend a few months practicing magazine reloads.

Just because you see no reason for them to exist does mean you are actually helping by banning them.

If you want to actually help, solve the problem of house gun being used to kill someone living in the house.
 
2012-07-21 02:36:30 AM
Just when this news was breaking last night, here in Australia there was an "Onion news update" on ABC tv lampooning a mall shooting doing a breakdown of the deaths by political affiliation .

either it was incredible timing , or someone at the ABC is a superb troll.
 
2012-07-21 02:38:25 AM
So the hassle of reloading is why high capacity magazines should be allowed?

ZipSplat: liquidsiphon: I just don't think you need to have high capacity magazines. What would be the use? If you are hunting you aren't going to fire 30+ rounds at a target. There's no point to high capacity magazines that I can think of. Not trying to mock or anything, I just don't see the point.

1) To not have to reload all the time for sport shooting.
2) To not have to reload all the time if you're killing people, which is what the 2nd Amendment's protection is intended for.

We live in a country that has as one of its founding principles the preservation of your ability to have a gun for the express reason of defending yourself or the country - which means killing other human beings.


So the hassle of reloading is why high capacity magazines should be allowed? Or is because you need more round to kill other people who you feel are a threat? This isn't the wild west. We actually have police to handle it and 100 round AR-15 mags are definitely going to be used more by the psychos than people defending their homes.
 
2012-07-21 02:40:39 AM
Edge.bot: Just when this news was breaking last night, here in Australia there was an "Onion news update" on ABC tv lampooning a mall shooting doing a breakdown of the deaths by political affiliation .

either it was incredible timing , or someone at the ABC is a superb troll.


You mean this one? It's from 2008. DArk and funny.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c6eSPWaUsgY
 
2012-07-21 02:44:57 AM

liquidsiphon: So the hassle of reloading is why high capacity magazines should be allowed?


No, they are (not should be, are) allowed because there is no reason to ban them other than your opinion.
 
2012-07-21 02:45:23 AM

Renowned transvestite sexologist: liquidsiphon: I just don't think you need to have high capacity magazines. What would be the use? If you are hunting you aren't going to fire 30+ rounds at a target. There's no point to high capacity magazines that I can think of. Not trying to mock or anything, I just don't see the point.

There's no need for everyone to able to own a chainsaw and no one proposes banning them because they feel they aren't "needed" by the general population.
I'm sympathetic, really man. I'm not a fan of guns, I really see no reason to own a gun for "protection". It's more likely to kill someone who lives in my house than it is to actually save me from being killed by an intruder. --- With you here.

That being said, I still try to be intellectually honest when I think about Gun Control. Without going through a civil war, guns will not be banned in the United States. That's the starting point, guns are here to stay. Anything proposal for "Gun Control" has to be thought about with that as a starting point. --- I agree. That's why I'm not proposing banning guns. High capacity mags and assault weapons aren't all guns. I'd be happy to leave assault weapons if they'd quit the high capacity mags.

Getting rid of high capacity magazines will just make sociopathic killers can an additional fully loaded gun. --- Maybe. The problem is we won't even try to see if banning huge mags to start with. Even the high school killers carry multiple weapons when they go on their rampage. --- Yes, but that isn't going to mean we have to ignore the possibility that banning big mags might reduce the problem. Believe it or not, reloading takes some time. Maybe they will buy tactical vests with magpuls to make reloading fast. Doesn't mean they will though. Maybe is the key word. Trying can't make it worse.

It's the modus operandi of sociopathic mass murderers. It won't stop them from shooting up a movie theater. If they really want to be prepared, they'll spend a few months practicing magazine reloads. --- This is an assumption. Many sociopaths prepare, but are set off by a moment. When they do their deed they might falter due to pure adrenaline and emotion. I don't know that's right anymore than you know their preparations will make them do it perfect. They are green when it comes to it.

Just because you see no reason for them to exist does mean you are actually helping by banning them. --- I'd like us to try at least.


If you want to actually help, solve the problem of house gun being used to kill someone living in the house./i>

 
2012-07-21 02:46:59 AM
Oof.. don't know Fark's formatting yet. Apologies folks.
 
2012-07-21 02:47:37 AM

liquidsiphon: So the hassle of reloading is why high capacity magazines should be allowed? Or is because you need more round to kill other people who you feel are a threat? This isn't the wild west. We actually have police to handle it and 100 round AR-15 mags are definitely going to be used more by the psychos than people defending their homes.


Oh no, I'm not threatened at all. I live in a low crime community in a state with strict gun laws. I don't even own a gun. I was in the Marine Corps for five years and I hated going to the range. I don't even sport shoot, it's lame.

The United States has been around for ~240 years, depending on when you want to start counting. In that time we had a revolution, a civil war, two world wars, and countless riots and little insurrections. In the next 250 years that the United States exists, do you expect that the situation will remain for everyone that follows you as it is right now for you?

You're not just taking away your own right to own guns and accessories that can kill people. You're telling the rest of U.S. history that they cannot own capable guns or inherit the knowledge and tradition of weapons handling.
 
2012-07-21 02:49:40 AM

liquidsiphon: Oof.. don't know Fark's formatting yet. Apologies folks.


Play it through. Never show weakness. No retreat no surrender.
 
2012-07-21 02:50:37 AM

liquidsiphon: Oof.. don't know Fark's formatting yet. Apologies folks.


LAWLERCOPTER HE CANT EVN USE COMPUTER SO DUMMMMMMMMMMMMMM
 
2012-07-21 02:50:47 AM

ZipSplat: liquidsiphon: So the hassle of reloading is why high capacity magazines should be allowed? Or is because you need more round to kill other people who you feel are a threat? This isn't the wild west. We actually have police to handle it and 100 round AR-15 mags are definitely going to be used more by the psychos than people defending their homes.

Oh no, I'm not threatened at all. I live in a low crime community in a state with strict gun laws. I don't even own a gun. I was in the Marine Corps for five years and I hated going to the range. I don't even sport shoot, it's lame.

The United States has been around for ~240 years, depending on when you want to start counting. In that time we had a revolution, a civil war, two world wars, and countless riots and little insurrections. In the next 250 years that the United States exists, do you expect that the situation will remain for everyone that follows you as it is right now for you?

You're not just taking away your own right to own guns and accessories that can kill people. You're telling the rest of U.S. history that they cannot own capable guns or inherit the knowledge and tradition of weapons handling.


Gah! No! I just don't think we need high capacity rounds and assault weapons. I have no problems with people owning guns. I just don't think guns with high capacity rounds whose purpose is to kill people are guns that need to be available to citizens. Buy one of these, I have no problem with it.

Browning Bar
 
2012-07-21 02:51:10 AM

liquidsiphon: So the hassle of reloading is why high capacity magazines should be allowed? Or is because you need more round to kill other people who you feel are a threat? This isn't the wild west. We actually have police to handle it and 100 round AR-15 mags are definitely going to be used more by the psychos than people defending their homes.


Please don't take my toys away. I want to feel like a man.
 
2012-07-21 02:52:07 AM
Replace high capacity rounds with high capacity mags. Long night it seems.
 
2012-07-21 02:54:03 AM

liquidsiphon: Replace high capacity rounds with high capacity mags. Long night it seems.


It's going to be even longer if you keep acting like a little biatch
 
2012-07-21 02:55:11 AM

liquidsiphon: Gah! No! I just don't think we need high capacity rounds and assault weapons. I have no problems with people owning guns. I just don't think guns with high capacity rounds whose purpose is to kill people are guns that need to be available to citizens. Buy one of these, I have no problem with it.

Browning Bar


el oh el. Note my statement.

You're telling the rest of U.S. history that they cannot own capable guns...

A semi-automatic hunting rifle is not a capable gun for the purposes of combat. Anything without some kind of magazine is absolutely not a capable gun for combat unless you're the designated marksman as part of an organized team.
 
2012-07-21 02:55:49 AM
BRONYMEDIC - You mean this one? It's from 2008. DArk and funny.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c6eSPWaUsgY


yep this was on around 9pm last night ABC , right when the story was breaking on the net.
 
2012-07-21 02:55:54 AM

Renowned transvestite sexologist: If the magazine is smaller, the person brings more guns that have full magazines. Sociopathic killers are kind of like that. I propose that as long as guns are legal in the United States, Sociopathic mass murders will continue to use them to kill a high number of people per incident no matter what regulations you put on gun sales.


The sad truth is that even if guns were illegal, a sociopathic would be murderer would still find a way to get his hands on one. Would it be much harder? Yes, but asserting that outlawing firearms would prevent people from owning guns is akin to saying that outlawing narcotics would prevent people from ever using them.
 
2012-07-21 02:57:42 AM
Has anything from the shooter been released? Kind of weird that he'd leave it as a guessing game.
 
2012-07-21 02:57:52 AM

elguerodiablo: [img31.imageshack.us image 576x432]


Please get puu.sh, that shiat's just awful.
 
2012-07-21 03:00:40 AM

Novart: Has anything from the shooter been released? Kind of weird that he'd leave it as a guessing game.


Not much. He was a neurologist going for his PhD and dropping out. That is about as much as is out there. He said he was the Joker when the police nabbed him.
 
2012-07-21 03:06:13 AM
It's too early to tell much. shiat at this point is usually not what ends up being the case later on. When the Loughner incident happened there was so much bullshiat in the air it was hard to breathe. "Gang of Tea Party Communist sympathizers armed to the teeth wearing trench coats parachuted from a Zepplin into the Kroger store in Tallahassee, California and killed Congressman Gabby Cameron. Wait, do we have confirmation on this? Yes, that is definitely what happened according to iReport."
 
2012-07-21 03:12:34 AM

dave1y: New Yorkers respond differently than, say, people in a small town in Iowa would. I dunno.


Yeah they do. They biatch and moan about it for decades. Iowans (and other normal people) keep their grief private and move on. New Yorkers have some sort of sick persecution complex. Doesn't matter that throats are being slit in Bosnia or Iraq, or that people are being blown to bits in Palestine or irradiated and drowned in Japan - If someone gets a farking hangnail in New York we've all got to be somber and sympathetic for 10-15 years.

/only half joking
 
2012-07-21 03:22:04 AM
It was aliens. Definitely aliens.
 
2012-07-21 03:23:49 AM

liquidsiphon: Replace high capacity rounds with high capacity mags. Long night it seems.


What "sunset" period would you apply to a prohibition upon such magazines before allowing civilian ownership of them again, should such a prohibition fail to demonstrably reduce rates of homicide?

How would current owners of such magazines be fully compensated for the loss of their property?

How do you address the fact that many magazines of a standard capacity for their designated firearm model are dishonestly labeled as "extended capacity" by civilian disarmament advocates?
 
2012-07-21 03:26:46 AM
I for one am interested to know ACTUAL information about the guy. I will thus be ignoring the media completely until they HAVE forgotten, then I will do independent research on just the objective facts, as best as I can get them. Mass murderers do tend to have interesting mentalities, speaking from a psychological viewpoint. I wonder if he fits into any of the major categories... was this was more along the lines of the Leo Held or Richard Speck style "none-of-my-problems-are-because-I-make-bad-decisions-but-because-the- world-is-against-me-so-I'll-make-them-pay-for-what-I-think-they-did-to -me" sort, or if he felt he had some sort of cause like Mark Essex or Marc Lepine, or if it really were a matter of mental health problems like Charles Whitman or Howard Unruh. I have spent my life studying violent pathology, so I have experience compartmentalizing the horror and sadness I feel about the tragedy from my curiousity about the psychological motivations of the shooter.
 
2012-07-21 03:28:14 AM

invictus2: the article also forgot, of the tacky digital remembrances

[i.imgur.com image 600x800]

[i.imgur.com image 540x720]

[i.imgur.com image 720x720]


Don't forget the outrage upon the discovery of the eerily similar scene in one of the newest gen fps games down the road.
 
2012-07-21 03:33:39 AM

Dimensio: liquidsiphon: Replace high capacity rounds with high capacity mags. Long night it seems.

What "sunset" period would you apply to a prohibition upon such magazines before allowing civilian ownership of them again, should such a prohibition fail to demonstrably reduce rates of homicide?

How would current owners of such magazines be fully compensated for the loss of their property?

How do you address the fact that many magazines of a standard capacity for their designated firearm model are dishonestly labeled as "extended capacity" by civilian disarmament advocates?


Sunset part: I'm not opposed to a grandfather period. If you own extended mags you can keep them and they simply stop being available. As far as your condition as prohibiting them does not reduce homicide rate, I suppose that would be determined when we see the results.

Compensation part: Current owners get to keep them. I don't think anyone should take what people already own.

Standard Capacity: For the last part. I'm not a part of a civilian disarmament group. Extended mags to me extend the capacity of a firearm. Best I can do for you.
 
2012-07-21 03:35:14 AM

Mitch Mitchell: It was aliens. Definitely aliens.


Close. Very close.
 
2012-07-21 03:41:56 AM

batcookie: I for one am interested to know ACTUAL information about the guy. I will thus be ignoring the media completely until they HAVE forgotten, then I will do independent research on just the objective facts, as best as I can get them. Mass murderers do tend to have interesting mentalities, speaking from a psychological viewpoint. I wonder if he fits into any of the major categories... was this was more along the lines of the Leo Held or Richard Speck style "none-of-my-problems-are-because-I-make-bad-decisions-but-because-the- world-is-against-me-so-I'll-make-them-pay-for-what-I-think-they-did-to -me" sort, or if he felt he had some sort of cause like Mark Essex or Marc Lepine, or if it really were a matter of mental health problems like Charles Whitman or Howard Unruh. I have spent my life studying violent pathology, so I have experience compartmentalizing the horror and sadness I feel about the tragedy from my curiousity about the psychological motivations of the shooter.


To be fair sometimes you make the right decision but the results are basically punishment for you. If you spend more time liking yourself than trying to get others to like you though you'll handle it fine.

I wonder how many people will interpret that as apologetic for the action after reading only the first three words, and then look at my profile pics and ask Drew to make a "hide from" button. Sorry I drank two scotch scones and I have no tolerance for alcohol anymore. I hope you enjoy my ramblings because I don't and they're dumb.
 
2012-07-21 03:45:00 AM

liquidsiphon: Sunset part: I'm not opposed to a grandfather period. If you own extended mags you can keep them and they simply stop being available. As far as your condition as prohibiting them does not reduce homicide rate, I suppose that would be determined when we see the results.


If only a previous implementation of such a nationwide prohibition during a temporary span of time had occurred.
 
2012-07-21 04:00:25 AM

whatshisname: Renowned transvestite sexologist: There's no politics that can stop this, there's no laws that can fix this, nothing can fix this.

So why doesn't it happen with such frequency in other western countries?


Go talk to Ireland.
 
2012-07-21 04:08:57 AM

eventhelosers: batcookie: I for one am interested to know ACTUAL information about the guy. I will thus be ignoring the media completely until they HAVE forgotten, then I will do independent research on just the objective facts, as best as I can get them. Mass murderers do tend to have interesting mentalities, speaking from a psychological viewpoint. I wonder if he fits into any of the major categories... was this was more along the lines of the Leo Held or Richard Speck style "none-of-my-problems-are-because-I-make-bad-decisions-but-because-the- world-is-against-me-so-I'll-make-them-pay-for-what-I-think-they-did-to -me" sort, or if he felt he had some sort of cause like Mark Essex or Marc Lepine, or if it really were a matter of mental health problems like Charles Whitman or Howard Unruh. I have spent my life studying violent pathology, so I have experience compartmentalizing the horror and sadness I feel about the tragedy from my curiousity about the psychological motivations of the shooter.

To be fair sometimes you make the right decision but the results are basically punishment for you. If you spend more time liking yourself than trying to get others to like you though you'll handle it fine.

I wonder how many people will interpret that as apologetic for the action after reading only the first three words, and then look at my profile pics and ask Drew to make a "hide from" button. Sorry I drank two scotch scones and I have no tolerance for alcohol anymore. I hope you enjoy my ramblings because I don't and they're dumb.


I'm not saying the world is fair, but if you knew about Richard Speck or Leo Held that would not be an issue to bring up. For these types, it's all about imagined slights against them. They tend to have low self-esteem, and sometimes even something about them that IS off-putting (Speck, for instance, was one of the ugliest mother farkers ever to grace the planet), and thus start off in their earliest social interactions on the defensive. Often these types are compensatory narcissists - people who really have self-esteem issues, but because that's an anxiety-provoking state of mind they over-compensate by puffing themselves up unrealistically. A slight for these kinds of guys can be something as simple as cutting them off in traffic to not inviting them to a party, to something as stupid as envy or resentment over something the person doesn't even necessarily have control over (again, for instance, for Speck what sparked his murderous rage was the fact that one of the girls who lived in the dorm he was robbing happened to resemble his ex-wife, who he REALLY wanted to kill). These guys, as a result of their fragile psyche and self-esteem balanced on a knife's edge, are also REALLY opposed to taking personal responsibility for anything, as that would be admitting fault in themselves, which to someone who needs to cling to their puffed up image to keep from breaking down, is nearly impossible. This also feeds into their hatred for the outside world - it starts early, usually due to physical or social short-comings, and as they get older and inevitably don't have everything go their way, the blame he heaps on humanity in general adds to that already hurt and defensive mind-set he's struggled to get away from since childhood. Since I've been using Speck as my for instance, we'll continue the trend... Speck drank heavily and spent a good lot of his life in prison due to his own bad decisions (writing bad checks, burglary, etc), and as a result was constantly locked away. He blamed his employers for firing him, despite the fact that it was because HE was always getting himself thrown in jail; he blamed his wife for his not being there to make sure she wasn't cheating on him; he blamed doctors for not being able to fix his headaches, when the reason he got them was that he was too vain to wear his glasses... the list goes on (of course with Speck, it's also important to keep in mind that he was taught that from a young age, as he was raised by his mother and sister and they spoiled him and never punished him and turned him into an entitled little brat that felt women were weak and there to serve him). The fact is, this type of mass murderer generally has no one to blame for his problems but himself, but it's easier to take it out on everyone else.
 
2012-07-21 04:18:09 AM

highwayrun: whatshisname: Renowned transvestite sexologist: There's no politics that can stop this, there's no laws that can fix this, nothing can fix this.

So why doesn't it happen with such frequency in other western countries?

Go talk to Ireland.


Britain took the two logical steps needed to fight the IRA: they started treating them as criminals, and then they acknowledged that merely because some douchebag and his two brothers were CALLING themselves "the Real IRA" did not mean that they were either the Real IRA or that the ACTUAL IRA was breaking the truce. Once that was done, the sectarian violence dwindled.

For the rest, not having readily accessible firearms in most of Great Britain reduces the number of random gun deaths; but I suspect that if you split out "murderous knife rampages" from overall homicides--in other words, if you put the US and Britain on a weapons parity--they way outstrip us in weirdos who kill one another with butcher knives, samurai swords, and chainsaws.
 
2012-07-21 04:33:01 AM

Gyrfalcon: For the rest, not having readily accessible firearms in most of Great Britain reduces the number of random gun deaths; but I suspect that if you split out "murderous knife rampages" from overall homicides--in other words, if you put the US and Britain on a weapons parity--they way outstrip us in weirdos who kill one another with butcher knives, samurai swords, and chainsaws.


Exactly


In fact, they seem to be having a rash of knife crime. People are always going to find a way to kill you if they want to.

Link
 
2012-07-21 06:04:57 AM

BigJake: JerkyMeat: They missed the part where more of our freedoms are lost in the name of feeling safe. Yeah, fark you GOPers.

They're not the ones calling for more gun control though?


It isn't gun freedoms we've been losing for the last couple of decades - in fact, we have gained on that front. The Patriot Act doesn't take anybody's guns away - and gun rights are probably the LEAST threatened rights we have today. The millenium Copyright act didn't take any guns away. Your freedoms are being stripped away from you one by one, but you only care about your stupid guns - which aren't even threatened.
And before you reply with something stupid - I own guns, always have, and am not a "liberal".
 
2012-07-21 06:19:43 AM
Is it considered IRONIC that we are discussing (and flogging) the news for being single minded, when something like 10% of the threads on Fark are about this very subject?

Or is it just pathetic?
 
2012-07-21 06:21:15 AM

hbk72777: Gyrfalcon: For the rest, not having readily accessible firearms in most of Great Britain reduces the number of random gun deaths; but I suspect that if you split out "murderous knife rampages" from overall homicides--in other words, if you put the US and Britain on a weapons parity--they way outstrip us in weirdos who kill one another with butcher knives, samurai swords, and chainsaws.

Exactly


In fact, they seem to be having a rash of knife crime. People are always going to find a way to kill you if they want to.

Link


Nope. Homiciides per 100,000 of population:

UK 1.23
USA 4.8
 
2012-07-21 06:25:58 AM

Renowned transvestite sexologist: Sociopathic mass murders


How many 'Sociopathic mass murders' are carried out with cars you dumb shiat.
 
2012-07-21 06:35:02 AM

tonguedepressor: Renowned transvestite sexologist: Sociopathic mass murders

How many 'Sociopathic mass murders' are carried out with cars you dumb shiat.


Quite a few, actually - it's not especially unusual for some drunk or lunatic to plow his car into a crowd on purpose. One particularly awful incident I can rember was the Davis Attias incident in Isla Vista - but it isn't uncommon. You probably shouldn't have called him a "dumb shiat", under these circumstances.
 
2012-07-21 07:35:54 AM

Swoop1809: Why was he able to leave through an emergency exit without an alarm going off? And why was he able to prop open an emergency door? I couldn't prop open the door to my dorm without an alarm sounding, why are these just regular doors?

If an emergency exit is being used for emergencies then an alarm going off when propped isn't an issue since there's a god damn emergency. When the alarm goes off during your movie for no reason that should raise some suspicion in the security office.


www.immortalmusic.net

Most movie theaters' "emergency exits" are actually just normal doors with no opening from the outside. They are not only for emergencies, but for allowing easier access to the outside for people leaving the movie. Once you leave, the door closes and locks, preventing re-entry. All it'd take is someone to prop a door open.
 
2012-07-21 08:06:06 AM
liquidsiphon:100 round AR-15 mags are definitely going to be used more by the psychos than people defending their homes.

Sure, 100 round mags aren't exactly common for self-defense. No debate there. That said, they're certainly not uncommon for sport and recreational shooting -- there are far more legitimate uses of such magazines than there are criminal uses.

Restricting a specific tool (whether guns or magazines) isn't really going to do much good: the US already tried that between 1994 and 2004 (longer, in some states) and it had essentially no effect on crime. The laws did affect law-abiding people, though.

I'd probably be more worthwhile to work on providing better, more accessible mental health (or other relevant) care to people, so as to get help for people who might otherwise turn to violence.

I live in Switzerland. Here, the government issues automatic rifles to all members of the military (and military service is mandatory for all males, except those with mental or physical problems which preclude such service). The majority of homes have automatic rifles (and ammo) in them. Recreational, sport, and competitive shooting is also extremely common with privately-owned firearms. Magazines of various sizes are widely available...and yet violent crime is essentially non-existent. Why? I posit that it's because they have a good health care system (including mental health) and generous public benefits (so as to prevent people from becoming poor and desperate, thus turning to violent crime), among other reasons.

While difficult, it's better to identify and treat the cause of the problem (violence/violent crime) rather than trying the easier but not effective route of treating the symptoms.

/sadly, the Onion hit the nail on the head with this article.
 
2012-07-21 08:09:30 AM

Hobodeluxe: The subject legally purchased four guns in the last 60 days at two different chain stores. He also purchased 6,000 rounds of various ammunition on the internet in addition to multiple magazines for the assault rifle, including a 100-round drum magazine.

you'd think that the ATF would have a red flag pop up if someone started rapidly loading up like this but no they can't. Thanks NRA


Haha, yeah, were it not for the NRA, this particular government entity would be operating at 100% efficiency and making sure that bad stuff never happens. Just like the SEC protects us from all ponzi schemes and other financial shenanigans. And like how nothing ever slips past the TSA.

Liberals really think like this.
 
2012-07-21 08:19:34 AM

liquidsiphon: Sunset part: I'm not opposed to a grandfather period. If you own extended mags you can keep them and they simply stop being available. As far as your condition as prohibiting them does not reduce homicide rate, I suppose that would be determined when we see the results.


Is 10 years enough time? I only ask because it's already been done. The net effect? Zero. Bupkis. Nothing. Oh, violent crime dropped during the period of the AWB to be sure, but guess what? In the 8 years since it sunsetted violent crime has continued to drop. Correlation does not equal causation.

The point is this: your solution isn't one, and it's known that it isn't one. It's nothing but a panacea, a mantra of gun-control people, if we give them just this one thing it will help. It doesn't help. It genuinely doesn't matter. We gave them that one thing and it mattered so little that when it went away nobody noticed except the Brady Campaign, the Violence Policy Center, and legislators who could now push for some "new" crime-control measure. The fact that the Assault Weapons Ban has not been renewed even with a Democratic supermajority for a time speaks volumes. Nobody wanted to put their careers on the line for something that did not matter. They would have been crucified for nothing.
 
2012-07-21 08:46:06 AM

BigJake: Hey, everyone who's spamming that ribbon-with-Batman-silhouette on Facebook. Knock it the fark off, there is nothing tackier and stupider


Remember when everyone on twitter and FB changed their avatars and pictures and pretended to care about Iran for a few days?
Good times.
 
2012-07-21 08:59:00 AM

Aloy: /Seriously, WTF is it with Colorado people?


Sure, Florida gets its own tag. But the mass murder nut case capital of America? Noooooo.
 
2012-07-21 09:00:26 AM

Hobodeluxe: The subject legally purchased four guns in the last 60 days at two different chain stores. He also purchased 6,000 rounds of various ammunition on the internet in addition to multiple magazines for the assault rifle, including a 100-round drum magazine.

you'd think that the ATF would have a red flag pop up if someone started rapidly loading up like this but no they can't. Thanks NRA


Actually, that sounds like someone buying in bulk so that they can have a full day at the range. THe multiple magazines are so that he doesn't have to refill the farkers in the middle of the range.

Renowned transvestite sexologist: It could have happened anywhere, at any time. There are 300 million people in this country, at any given time, at least one crack pot is planning is big scene for all to see. It's just the way it is. There's no politics that can stop this, there's no laws that can fix this, nothing can fix this. We can set up a utopia with a 100% employment rate, full access to preventative medical coverage (mental and physical), and a place where everyone actually lives their dreams...the fact of the matter is this shiat will still happen.

We can live in fear or we can live.

/there's nothing to see here, move along


You can take your logic elsewhere. This is fark, dangnabbit.

/Where's the pictures filled with a sadistic sense of humor that make me feel like i'm going to goto hell when i laugh?

//WHAR!?

Tyranicle: In my opinion, the ant-gun activists (with the exception of Bloomberg) will keep quiet regarding what happened. They're all too busy waiting and hoping Obama is re elected.

What activists will do is use this as an excuse to psychologically profile potential gun buyers. Probubly. After all, the gunman was a neuro scientist with no criminal history or apparent signs of physchological problems according to his friends.

Just my two cents.


Bloomberg's already gone full whack job, saying that there should be more gun control.

There's no way the money will be available to profile EVERY gun buyer.


Swoop1809: Why was he able to leave through an emergency exit without an alarm going off? And why was he able to prop open an emergency door? I couldn't prop open the door to my dorm without an alarm sounding, why are these just regular doors?

If an emergency exit is being used for emergencies then an alarm going off when propped isn't an issue since there's a god damn emergency. When the alarm goes off during your movie for no reason that should raise some suspicion in the security office.


Not every theatre is the hallmark of superb maintenance.
 
2012-07-21 09:16:27 AM

JerkyMeat: They missed the part where more of our freedoms are lost in the name of feeling safe. Yeah, fark you GOPers. You farking pussies.


surprised i got half way through the thread before this particular type of pure crap showed up.
 
2012-07-21 09:24:35 AM

MAYORBOB: Who will counsel the grief counselors?


static.flickr.com

He's on it already
 
2012-07-21 09:38:13 AM

highwayrun: whatshisname: Renowned transvestite sexologist: There's no politics that can stop this, there's no laws that can fix this, nothing can fix this.

So why doesn't it happen with such frequency in other western countries?

Go talk to Ireland.


Thing is I don't think outliers should be used as a basis to judge *anything*. Shootings like this are shocking because they are rare. Looking at the per capita murder rate for various countries the US is more useful. Europe is certainly a safer place than the US but it's pretty much a farking war zone in central and south america. Looking at average gun ownership here and here does not appear to show any correlation between the number of guns per capita and the per capita murder rate. Sadly if this guy had used bombs instead of guns he probably would have been more effective at killing people.
 
2012-07-21 09:44:03 AM
But how is this affecting the box office of The Dark Knight? I WANT ANSWERS
 
2012-07-21 10:13:12 AM

rwfan: highwayrun: whatshisname: Renowned transvestite sexologist: There's no politics that can stop this, there's no laws that can fix this, nothing can fix this.

So why doesn't it happen with such frequency in other western countries?

Go talk to Ireland.

Thing is I don't think outliers should be used as a basis to judge *anything*. Shootings like this are shocking because they are rare. Looking at the per capita murder rate for various countries the US is more useful. Europe is certainly a safer place than the US but it's pretty much a farking war zone in central and south america. Looking at average gun ownership here and here does not appear to show any correlation between the number of guns per capita and the per capita murder rate. Sadly if this guy had used bombs instead of guns he probably would have been more effective at killing people.


In my simple mind: America was settled mostly by the type A personalities from Europe. If they weren't a bit agressive, they'd have never left. You put that many type A personalities together, it's gonna get rowdy from time to time.

/Oh, and a bunch of Irish, but we see how they act at home :)
 
2012-07-21 10:43:18 AM

MAYORBOB: Who will counsel the grief counselors?


The people who cut the grief counselors' paychecks.
 
2012-07-21 10:52:12 AM

RanDomino: Did you hear The Dark Knight was a comedy? Yeah, it had people rolling in the aisles.


I am so mad at you for making me laugh at that.
 
2012-07-21 11:14:17 AM

enik: Hobodeluxe: The subject legally purchased four guns in the last 60 days at two different chain stores. He also purchased 6,000 rounds of various ammunition on the internet in addition to multiple magazines for the assault rifle, including a 100-round drum magazine.

you'd think that the ATF would have a red flag pop up if someone started rapidly loading up like this but no they can't. Thanks NRA

Haha, yeah, were it not for the NRA, this particular government entity would be operating at 100% efficiency and making sure that bad stuff never happens. Just like the SEC protects us from all ponzi schemes and other financial shenanigans. And like how nothing ever slips past the TSA.

Liberals really think like this.


i18.photobucket.com
 
2012-07-21 11:25:28 AM

Walker: Knee jerk reactions left and right are already happening. AMC says no more costumes, masks, or fake weapons allowed. And people are saying they want metal detectors and nude scanners at theaters. Good thing I hardly go to the movies. This will make me go even less if they start searching me every time I walk thru the door. Crazy people are everywhere. If they want to hurt you they will. There's no amount of preventative measures that will prevent it. You could be caring a gun, but they can still shoot you in the back of the head without warning. Life comes with risk. If you don't want to take the risk seal yourself in a bunker.


This...if a person was carrying there might have been less hurt and killed, or might not. I carry, but I was not in that crowd. Even if I was, it would be a stretch to say I would have had a clear shot.
 
2012-07-21 11:28:41 AM

Hobodeluxe: The subject legally purchased four guns in the last 60 days at two different chain stores. He also purchased 6,000 rounds of various ammunition on the internet in addition to multiple magazines for the assault rifle, including a 100-round drum magazine.

you'd think that the ATF would have a red flag pop up if someone started rapidly loading up like this but no they can't. Thanks NRA


Yes thanks indeed. I have made similar purchases and have not killed anyone. Keep licking those boots.
 
2012-07-21 11:31:21 AM

Aikidogamer: Walker: Knee jerk reactions left and right are already happening. AMC says no more costumes, masks, or fake weapons allowed. And people are saying they want metal detectors and nude scanners at theaters. Good thing I hardly go to the movies. This will make me go even less if they start searching me every time I walk thru the door. Crazy people are everywhere. If they want to hurt you they will. There's no amount of preventative measures that will prevent it. You could be caring a gun, but they can still shoot you in the back of the head without warning. Life comes with risk. If you don't want to take the risk seal yourself in a bunker.

This...if a person was carrying there might have been less hurt and killed, or might not. I carry, but I was not in that crowd. Even if I was, it would be a stretch to say I would have had a clear shot.


Find me a weapon small enough for concealed carry that can do any serious damage to modern body armor.
 
2012-07-21 11:38:49 AM

rohar: Aikidogamer: Walker: Knee jerk reactions left and right are already happening. AMC says no more costumes, masks, or fake weapons allowed. And people are saying they want metal detectors and nude scanners at theaters. Good thing I hardly go to the movies. This will make me go even less if they start searching me every time I walk thru the door. Crazy people are everywhere. If they want to hurt you they will. There's no amount of preventative measures that will prevent it. You could be caring a gun, but they can still shoot you in the back of the head without warning. Life comes with risk. If you don't want to take the risk seal yourself in a bunker.

This...if a person was carrying there might have been less hurt and killed, or might not. I carry, but I was not in that crowd. Even if I was, it would be a stretch to say I would have had a clear shot.

Find me a weapon small enough for concealed carry that can do any serious damage to modern body armor.


Shot placement? .45 acp FMJ. The amount of energy would still knock a guy down so you can easily follow up with a head shot. Also if one were to shoot the back of leg just above the knee a major artery would sever and bleed out death would be less than a minute. It is not like the video games where body armor = invulnerable.

That said, I was trying to communicate that no amount if preparation will prevent every tragedy. Evil men will do evil things if thy are committed enough.
 
2012-07-21 11:42:08 AM

Dimensio: liquidsiphon: Replace high capacity rounds with high capacity mags. Long night it seems.

What "sunset" period would you apply to a prohibition upon such magazines before allowing civilian ownership of them again, should such a prohibition fail to demonstrably reduce rates of homicide?

How would current owners of such magazines be fully compensated for the loss of their property?

How do you address the fact that many magazines of a standard capacity for their designated firearm model are dishonestly labeled as "extended capacity" by civilian disarmament advocates?


Or the fact that any it the weapons banned in the Brady bill have been used in less than. 01% of violent crimes.
 
2012-07-21 11:46:08 AM

liquidsiphon: Dimensio: liquidsiphon: Replace high capacity rounds with high capacity mags. Long night it seems.

What "sunset" period would you apply to a prohibition upon such magazines before allowing civilian ownership of them again, should such a prohibition fail to demonstrably reduce rates of homicide?

How would current owners of such magazines be fully compensated for the loss of their property?

How do you address the fact that many magazines of a standard capacity for their designated firearm model are dishonestly labeled as "extended capacity" by civilian disarmament advocates?

Sunset part: I'm not opposed to a grandfather period. If you own extended mags you can keep them and they simply stop being available. As far as your condition as prohibiting them does not reduce homicide rate, I suppose that would be determined when we see the results.

Compensation part: Current owners get to keep them. I don't think anyone should take what people already own.

Standard Capacity: For the last part. I'm not a part of a civilian disarmament group. Extended mags to me extend the capacity of a firearm. Best I can do for you.


Extended mag? That is a magazine that has a piece added to make more room for the bullets. Its like a PPS going from 7-8. A drum magazine is a drum magazine. It is not extended, it is exactly as it was intended.
 
2012-07-21 11:49:10 AM

Aikidogamer: rohar: Aikidogamer: Walker: Knee jerk reactions left and right are already happening. AMC says no more costumes, masks, or fake weapons allowed. And people are saying they want metal detectors and nude scanners at theaters. Good thing I hardly go to the movies. This will make me go even less if they start searching me every time I walk thru the door. Crazy people are everywhere. If they want to hurt you they will. There's no amount of preventative measures that will prevent it. You could be caring a gun, but they can still shoot you in the back of the head without warning. Life comes with risk. If you don't want to take the risk seal yourself in a bunker.

This...if a person was carrying there might have been less hurt and killed, or might not. I carry, but I was not in that crowd. Even if I was, it would be a stretch to say I would have had a clear shot.

Find me a weapon small enough for concealed carry that can do any serious damage to modern body armor.

Shot placement? .45 acp FMJ. The amount of energy would still knock a guy down so you can easily follow up with a head shot. Also if one were to shoot the back of leg just above the knee a major artery would sever and bleed out death would be less than a minute. It is not like the video games where body armor = invulnerable.

That said, I was trying to communicate that no amount if preparation will prevent every tragedy. Evil men will do evil things if thy are committed enough.


The .45 won't knock a guy down without penetrating the body armor with a body mass shot. Physics prevents it. If it could, it'd knock whoever fired it down too. Newton's law and all. You're right though. Even if there were 10 people gunning for him, he had surprise and overwhelming firepower. Any effective shot is so low percentage that the entire conversation of concealed carry, regarding this incident, is completely misplaced.

All the gun control in the world won't stop these incidents. It's almost impossible to get your hands on a weapon in Germany, but the Red Army Faction created blood baths for decades.
 
2012-07-21 11:54:43 AM
Shooting? What shooting?
 
2012-07-21 11:55:45 AM

Wayne 985: ZipSplat: X-boxershorts: Oh...fark you

That's all you have? Not some argument to the contrary? In the aftermath of the Tucson shooting the anti-gun portion of the left was trying to ban high capacity magazines. It's not an irrational thing to be concerned with that subset of the left wanting to ban guns after these things. It always happens. Rachel Maddow (who I otherwise enjoy) spends weeks talking about how we should ban things because "if high capacity magazines didn't exist, someone could have tackled Loughner sooner".

So it is an on-going battle. It's not irrational to be defensive on this issue. Gun grabbers are still grabbing at guns.

It sounds like Rachel Maddow had a good point. I'm fine with gun ownership, but Jesus. Things should probably be a little more regulated and restricted when maniacs can buy those kind of weapons.


I am also a trained in the use of knives and katanas. Turn me lose on a crowd of unarmed people ans I guarantee I will kill more than 12.

/ not gonna do it.
// just pointing out the fact a weapon does not kill people do. And anything is dangerous in the hands of a driven person whom seeks to cause others harm
 
2012-07-21 11:56:06 AM
rohar
Find me a weapon small enough for concealed carry that can do any serious damage to modern body armor.

I think you mean PENETRATE armor.

CZ-52 or TT-33 "Tokarev" 7.62x25mm

Occasionally at gun shows you can find 9mm steelcore ammo made by Hirtenberger. It is 124 grain +p fmj and will defeat level III body armor.

Any 9mm "NATO" 124 fmj (1200 + fps) will defeat Level I,II and II-A armor.

Google " NIJ threat level" for details on armor penetration.

.....oh,and the 125 grain fmj .357 Sig will defeat most body armor.
too.
 
2012-07-21 12:00:10 PM

liquidsiphon: So the hassle of reloading is why high capacity magazines should be allowed?ZipSplat: liquidsiphon: I just don't think you need to have high capacity magazines. What would be the use? If you are hunting you aren't going to fire 30+ rounds at a target. There's no point to high capacity magazines that I can think of. Not trying to mock or anything, I just don't see the point.

1) To not have to reload all the time for sport shooting.
2) To not have to reload all the time if you're killing people, which is what the 2nd Amendment's protection is intended for.

We live in a country that has as one of its founding principles the preservation of your ability to have a gun for the express reason of defending yourself or the country - which means killing other human beings.

So the hassle of reloading is why high capacity magazines should be allowed? Or is because you need more round to kill other people who you feel are a threat? This isn't the wild west. We actually have police to handle it and 100 round AR-15 mags are definitely going to be used more by the psychos than people defending their homes.


Ok boot locker, it is really simple. The US is founded on a healthy mistrust of government. Part of that mistrust dictates if the govt gets too out of hand the people have a right and responsibility to stop it. High capacity mags are necessary to that end. Honestly my view is, if a cop can use it you should be able to own it.
 
2012-07-21 12:00:58 PM

craigdamage: rohar
Find me a weapon small enough for concealed carry that can do any serious damage to modern body armor.

I think you mean PENETRATE armor.

CZ-52 or TT-33 "Tokarev" 7.62x25mm

Occasionally at gun shows you can find 9mm steelcore ammo made by Hirtenberger. It is 124 grain +p fmj and will defeat level III body armor.

Any 9mm "NATO" 124 fmj (1200 + fps) will defeat Level I,II and II-A armor.

Google " NIJ threat level" for details on armor penetration.

.....oh,and the 125 grain fmj .357 Sig will defeat most body armor.
too.


Well there ya go, learn something new every day.
 
2012-07-21 12:03:37 PM

liquidsiphon: I'm not sure what the point of owning assault weapons for civilians even is, other than you can buy it.


This is America, what more reason should there be?
 
2012-07-21 12:05:23 PM

liquidsiphon: This isn't the wild west.


For me, yeah, it really is.
 
2012-07-21 12:06:45 PM

rohar: Aikidogamer: rohar: Aikidogamer: Walker: Knee jerk reactions left and right are already happening. AMC says no more costumes, masks, or fake weapons allowed. And people are saying they want metal detectors and nude scanners at theaters. Good thing I hardly go to the movies. This will make me go even less if they start searching me every time I walk thru the door. Crazy people are everywhere. If they want to hurt you they will. There's no amount of preventative measures that will prevent it. You could be caring a gun, but they can still shoot you in the back of the head without warning. Life comes with risk. If you don't want to take the risk seal yourself in a bunker.

This...if a person was carrying there might have been less hurt and killed, or might not. I carry, but I was not in that crowd. Even if I was, it would be a stretch to say I would have had a clear shot.

Find me a weapon small enough for concealed carry that can do any serious damage to modern body armor.

Shot placement? .45 acp FMJ. The amount of energy would still knock a guy down so you can easily follow up with a head shot. Also if one were to shoot the back of leg just above the knee a major artery would sever and bleed out death would be less than a minute. It is not like the video games where body armor = invulnerable.

That said, I was trying to communicate that no amount if preparation will prevent every tragedy. Evil men will do evil things if thy are committed enough.

The .45 won't knock a guy down without penetrating the body armor with a body mass shot. Physics prevents it. If it could, it'd knock whoever fired it down too. Newton's law and all. You're right though. Even if there were 10 people gunning for him, he had surprise and overwhelming firepower. Any effective shot is so low percentage that the entire conversation of concealed carry, regarding this incident, is completely misplaced.

All the gun control in the world won't stop these incidents. It's almost impossible to get your hands on a weapon in Germany, but the Red Army Faction created blood baths for decades.


Hold on what kind of armor are we talking? I know with typical police issue armor you will still go down. It stops the bullet but lots of energy gets spread out and so your body still takes a shot that breaks ribs usually. Now ceramic plate armor like the military uses may go down just his you say.
 
2012-07-21 12:10:41 PM
liquidsiphon I'm not sure what the point of owning assault weapons for civilians even is, other than you can buy it.



Logistical ubiquity.


modern "assault rifles" adhere to NATO and "stanag" standards.

Civilians want a weapon "platform" that is totally able to interchange with others. ammo,magazines,parts and accessories.

....you know,for when the zombies arrive.
 
2012-07-21 12:10:43 PM

Aikidogamer: rohar: Aikidogamer: rohar: Aikidogamer: Walker: Knee jerk reactions left and right are already happening. AMC says no more costumes, masks, or fake weapons allowed. And people are saying they want metal detectors and nude scanners at theaters. Good thing I hardly go to the movies. This will make me go even less if they start searching me every time I walk thru the door. Crazy people are everywhere. If they want to hurt you they will. There's no amount of preventative measures that will prevent it. You could be caring a gun, but they can still shoot you in the back of the head without warning. Life comes with risk. If you don't want to take the risk seal yourself in a bunker.

This...if a person was carrying there might have been less hurt and killed, or might not. I carry, but I was not in that crowd. Even if I was, it would be a stretch to say I would have had a clear shot.

Find me a weapon small enough for concealed carry that can do any serious damage to modern body armor.

Shot placement? .45 acp FMJ. The amount of energy would still knock a guy down so you can easily follow up with a head shot. Also if one were to shoot the back of leg just above the knee a major artery would sever and bleed out death would be less than a minute. It is not like the video games where body armor = invulnerable.

That said, I was trying to communicate that no amount if preparation will prevent every tragedy. Evil men will do evil things if thy are committed enough.

The .45 won't knock a guy down without penetrating the body armor with a body mass shot. Physics prevents it. If it could, it'd knock whoever fired it down too. Newton's law and all. You're right though. Even if there were 10 people gunning for him, he had surprise and overwhelming firepower. Any effective shot is so low percentage that the entire conversation of concealed carry, regarding this incident, is completely misplaced.

All the gun control in the world won't stop these incidents. It's almost impossibl ...


Sorry, I was being too literal with "knocked down". There isn't enough kinetic energy on a bullet to knock someone down without knocking the shooter down. That said, I've broken ribs due to too little force to actually knock me down, but I went down anyway :)

Still, I stand by my assertion that no amount of gun control laws will stop these incidents from happening.
 
2012-07-21 12:13:10 PM

rohar: Aikidogamer: rohar: Aikidogamer: rohar: Aikidogamer: Walker: Knee jerk reactions left and right are already happening. AMC says no more costumes, masks, or fake weapons allowed. And people are saying they want metal detectors and nude scanners at theaters. Good thing I hardly go to the movies. This will make me go even less if they start searching me every time I walk thru the door. Crazy people are everywhere. If they want to hurt you they will. There's no amount of preventative measures that will prevent it. You could be caring a gun, but they can still shoot you in the back of the head without warning. Life comes with risk. If you don't want to take the risk seal yourself in a bunker.

This...if a person was carrying there might have been less hurt and killed, or might not. I carry, but I was not in that crowd. Even if I was, it would be a stretch to say I would have had a clear shot.

Find me a weapon small enough for concealed carry that can do any serious damage to modern body armor.

Shot placement? .45 acp FMJ. The amount of energy would still knock a guy down so you can easily follow up with a head shot. Also if one were to shoot the back of leg just above the knee a major artery would sever and bleed out death would be less than a minute. It is not like the video games where body armor = invulnerable.

That said, I was trying to communicate that no amount if preparation will prevent every tragedy. Evil men will do evil things if thy are committed enough.

The .45 won't knock a guy down without penetrating the body armor with a body mass shot. Physics prevents it. If it could, it'd knock whoever fired it down too. Newton's law and all. You're right though. Even if there were 10 people gunning for him, he had surprise and overwhelming firepower. Any effective shot is so low percentage that the entire conversation of concealed carry, regarding this incident, is completely misplaced.

All the gun control in the world won't stop these incidents. It's almost impossibl ...

Sorry, I was being too literal with "knocked down". There isn't enough kinetic energy on a bullet to knock someone down without knocking the shooter down. That said, I've broken ribs due to too little force to actually knock me down, but I went down anyway :)

Still, I stand by my assertion that no amount of gun control laws will stop these incidents from happening.


Of course, we naturally agree on that last part. The rest of the convoy was just a pair of gun enthusiasts geeking out :)
 
2012-07-21 12:25:37 PM

Aikidogamer: gun enthusiasts


Being this is FARK, I feel I have to clarify my position before all the nut jobs show up calling me a "gun nut". I don't even see myself as an enthusiast. I live where the nearest police presence is at least 20 minutes away. I also live 30 minutes away from one of the most violent cities in the state AND I own livestock with mountain lions, coyotes and wolves in the area. You put all of this together, and there will be guns.

I also have a lawn, because of this, I have a lawn mower. I'm not sure that makes me a lawn mower enthusiast :)
 
2012-07-21 12:26:09 PM
and the saddest and most accurate part of the article is the last sentence...

"Oh, and here's another thing I hate I know," Brennen continued, "In exactly two weeks this will all be over and it will be like it never happened."
 
2012-07-21 12:26:23 PM
According to the nation's citizenry, calls for a mature, thoughtful debate about the role of guns in American society started right on time

Almost there
 
2012-07-21 12:29:16 PM

rohar: Aikidogamer: gun enthusiasts

Being this is FARK, I feel I have to clarify my position before all the nut jobs show up calling me a "gun nut". I don't even see myself as an enthusiast. I live where the nearest police presence is at least 20 minutes away. I also live 30 minutes away from one of the most violent cities in the state AND I own livestock with mountain lions, coyotes and wolves in the area. You put all of this together, and there will be guns.

I also have a lawn, because of this, I have a lawn mower. I'm not sure that makes me a lawn mower enthusiast :)


For me it is a hobby. Some golf, some bowl, I like to shoot targets and hunt. Really, it is the ultimate skill competition in my view. I am also pretty interested in their inner workings. The modern gun is an amazing piece of machinery. So shooting satisfies my need to tinker and my need challenge myself.
 
2012-07-21 12:33:22 PM

elguerodiablo: mr smart the great: and if only every person would carry a gun or at least a bat.

Your comment reminded me that the Aurora mall used to be gang banger central. There used to be gang shootings in the parking lot all the time. I blame the mexican cartels for making black gangs obsolete. Back in the heyday of the Crips v. Bloods about 50 people in the theater would have shot back.


.. and it would nary make a blip on the local newspaper...
 
2012-07-21 12:45:17 PM

Wayne 985: ZipSplat: X-boxershorts: Oh...fark you

That's all you have? Not some argument to the contrary? In the aftermath of the Tucson shooting the anti-gun portion of the left was trying to ban high capacity magazines. It's not an irrational thing to be concerned with that subset of the left wanting to ban guns after these things. It always happens. Rachel Maddow (who I otherwise enjoy) spends weeks talking about how we should ban things because "if high capacity magazines didn't exist, someone could have tackled Loughner sooner".

So it is an on-going battle. It's not irrational to be defensive on this issue. Gun grabbers are still grabbing at guns.

It sounds like Rachel Maddow had a good point. I'm fine with gun ownership, but Jesus. Things should probably be a little more regulated and restricted when maniacs can buy those kind of weapons.


....... good reasoning but flawed... this nutjob AFAIK could've bought anything he wanted... he has ZERO history of 'documented' mental problems and no criminal record.

There are probably hundreds of thousands of folks in America today who are true nutjobs but can buy just about anything they want just like this Holmes guy. Regulate all you want.. it doesn't matter.. what we need is better regulation of individuals...not of firearms!!!! If a teacher, parent, priest, uncle etc thinks someone has a potential to be crazy at least start some paper trail on him/her...
 
2012-07-21 12:48:33 PM

ZipSplat: liquidsiphon: So the hassle of reloading is why high capacity magazines should be allowed? Or is because you need more round to kill other people who you feel are a threat? This isn't the wild west. We actually have police to handle it and 100 round AR-15 mags are definitely going to be used more by the psychos than people defending their homes.

Oh no, I'm not threatened at all. I live in a low crime community in a state with strict gun laws. I don't even own a gun. I was in the Marine Corps for five years and I hated going to the range. I don't even sport shoot, it's lame.

The United States has been around for ~240 years, depending on when you want to start counting. In that time we had a revolution, a civil war, two world wars, and countless riots and little insurrections. In the next 250 years that the United States exists, do you expect that the situation will remain for everyone that follows you as it is right now for you?

You're not just taking away your own right to own guns and accessories that can kill people. You're telling the rest of U.S. history that they cannot own capable guns or inherit the knowledge and tradition of weapons handling.


OK I wasn't going to comment on this thread but - we pretty much entered a TOTALLY new ballgame once we got nukes.. Yes at this point we should have all become pacifist vegetarians (I so wish we had) but does your house really require an ICMB to protect it?
 
2012-07-21 12:49:00 PM

SuperNinjaToad: Wayne 985: ZipSplat: X-boxershorts: Oh...fark you

That's all you have? Not some argument to the contrary? In the aftermath of the Tucson shooting the anti-gun portion of the left was trying to ban high capacity magazines. It's not an irrational thing to be concerned with that subset of the left wanting to ban guns after these things. It always happens. Rachel Maddow (who I otherwise enjoy) spends weeks talking about how we should ban things because "if high capacity magazines didn't exist, someone could have tackled Loughner sooner".

So it is an on-going battle. It's not irrational to be defensive on this issue. Gun grabbers are still grabbing at guns.

It sounds like Rachel Maddow had a good point. I'm fine with gun ownership, but Jesus. Things should probably be a little more regulated and restricted when maniacs can buy those kind of weapons.

....... good reasoning but flawed... this nutjob AFAIK could've bought anything he wanted... he has ZERO history of 'documented' mental problems and no criminal record.

There are probably hundreds of thousands of folks in America today who are true nutjobs but can buy just about anything they want just like this Holmes guy. Regulate all you want.. it doesn't matter.. what we need is better regulation of individuals...not of firearms!!!! If a teacher, parent, priest, uncle etc thinks someone has a potential to be crazy at least start some paper trail on him/her...


Or as another option, maybe we should treat our fellow citizens with some respect. Educate them, give them access to basic services such as physical and mental health professionals. Support an economy that works for most if not all rather than just the top n percent.

Maybe, we won't generate as many crazies we would only have to track that way.
 
2012-07-21 01:00:43 PM

jso2897: tonguedepressor: Renowned transvestite sexologist: Sociopathic mass murders

How many 'Sociopathic mass murders' are carried out with cars you dumb shiat.

Quite a few, actually - it's not especially unusual for some drunk or lunatic to plow his car into a crowd on purpose. One particularly awful incident I can rember was the Davis Attias incident in Isla Vista - but it isn't uncommon. You probably shouldn't have called him a "dumb shiat", under these circumstances.


He merited the dumb shiat moniker for championing gun deaths vs drunk driver deaths w/o addressing the matter of willful intent.
 
2012-07-21 01:43:06 PM
Well, you know the Liberal Derpocrats are already spewing their spin.....

First, they claim Holmes is "Tea Party". Holmes is as Tea Party as George Zimmerman was white.

Then, its "we need to take away all guns" derp.....Of course, it works great in Chicago, New York, and all the other Gun Control Nazi cities. Tell their victims how much Gun Control Nazi works

Yet, it will be the same Liberal Derpocrats who will whine if Holmes is executed for his horrific crimes. Liberal Derpocrats will do anything to save the life of a criminal, no matter how many people he kills....

Well, except for that "white Hispanic" guy that capped the "No Limit N----" in Florida. Oh wait, No Limit and his daddy were gang-bangers...so yeah we gotta preserve criminal rights
 
2012-07-21 02:47:19 PM

jso2897: And before you reply with something stupid


Whoops, too late for you on that account. I don't own a gun and probably won't ever. I like living in places where it's both unnecessary and dangerous (good risk of hitting neighbors). I was just pointing out that that's the really only freedom-impairing proposal people have been making in the wake of this.

Settle down.
 
2012-07-21 03:04:04 PM

SuperNinjaToad: Wayne 985: ZipSplat: X-boxershorts:

There are probably hundreds of thousands of folks in America today who are true nutjobs but can buy just about anything they want just like this Holmes guy. Regulate all you want.. it doesn't matter.. what we need is better regulation of individuals...not of firearms!!!! If a teacher, parent, priest, uncle etc thinks someone has a potential to be crazy at least start some paper trail on him/her...


I always wonder about those nutjobs, especially when I am driving on a two-way street with no divider between the opposing lanes of traffic.
www.wiki-cine.com
 
2012-07-21 04:13:08 PM

Githerax: I, for one, am sick and tired of the world 'alleged'.


And now we're into the part of the news cycle where FOX and CNN should be reporting that "Githerax allegedly said he is sick and tired of the world 'alleged.'" Then the hate radio stations on the AM dial talking about "Alleged media hater Githerax needs to be stabbed in the neck." Followed by a halfassed, insincere apology between scooped handfuls of vicodin by the host who said it.
 
2012-07-21 04:18:28 PM

Renowned transvestite sexologist: Drunk drivers kill FAR more people per capital per year than sociopathic mass murders do in the United States. Perspective, get some.


Hell, drivers in general, drunk or otherwise. Usually the amateur variety, fairly rarely the pros that do it for a living. The media's making a huge scandal out of 60-something people hurt and 12 killed in a movie theater, but is completely ignoring the 90 people killed and thousands injured by bad driving on the same day.
 
2012-07-21 04:37:55 PM

Trocadero: Having a short memory is a blessing and a curse. We don't have thousand year old blood feuds which influence regional politics for generations, like the Old World. However, we also seem to be incapable of learning from our dumb mistakes, and are always caught by surprise when something truly horrible happens.


...This, actually.

/I thought we didn't have blood feuds on purpose, but now that I think about it...
 
2012-07-21 05:08:46 PM
Westboro Baptist Church protests at the funerals in 3....2.....1...
 
2012-07-21 05:23:19 PM

British: Westboro Baptist Church protests at the funerals in 3....2.....1...


...oh farkmonkeys. And they will, too. Anything for attention.
 
2012-07-21 07:37:15 PM

Yes this is dog: The nation's citizens also confirmed that, any time now, some religious figure or cable news personality will say something unbelievably insensitive about the tragic shooting

Anyone monitoring the 700 Club?


Rick Warren beat them to it this time. Scumbag
 
2012-07-21 07:39:20 PM

Genju: Walker: Knee jerk reactions left and right are already happening. AMC says no more costumes, masks, or fake weapons allowed. And people are saying they want metal detectors and nude scanners at theaters. Good thing I hardly go to the movies. This will make me go even less if they start searching me every time I walk thru the door. Crazy people are everywhere. If they want to hurt you they will. There's no amount of preventative measures that will prevent it. You could be caring a gun, but they can still shoot you in the back of the head without warning. Life comes with risk. If you don't want to take the risk seal yourself in a bunker.

LOL even though the guy went through the side exits right? They'll probably only have them on the entrances.


Same thing we do at airports. All you've got to do to get past airport security is get a grey jumpsuit and go through the side doors.
 
2012-07-21 07:41:58 PM

Renowned transvestite sexologist: It could have happened anywhere, at any time. There are 300 million people in this country, at any given time, at least one crack pot is planning is big scene for all to see. It's just the way it is. There's no politics that can stop this, there's no laws that can fix this, nothing can fix this. We can set up a utopia with a 100% employment rate, full access to preventative medical coverage (mental and physical), and a place where everyone actually lives their dreams...the fact of the matter is this shiat will still happen.

We can live in fear or we can live.

/there's nothing to see here, move along


Really? Then why does this happen so much more rarely in every other State in the developed world? There is a significant, noticeable difference here, and it's pretty damn obvious.
 
2012-07-21 07:55:32 PM

hbk72777: Gyrfalcon: For the rest, not having readily accessible firearms in most of Great Britain reduces the number of random gun deaths; but I suspect that if you split out "murderous knife rampages" from overall homicides--in other words, if you put the US and Britain on a weapons parity--they way outstrip us in weirdos who kill one another with butcher knives, samurai swords, and chainsaws.

Exactly


In fact, they seem to be having a rash of knife crime. People are always going to find a way to kill you if they want to.

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So because some villain with a knife would still be able to stab maybe a handful of people in a market it's entirely pointless to pass laws restricting and monitoring the ownership of hardware allowing one person to kill 12 and injure 50? yeah, that makes sense. On a similar note, we should just forget about prohibiting mining companies from dumping toxic amounts of mercury in our drinking water because, even with those laws in place, your spouse could still put rat poison in your coffee.
 
2012-07-21 08:53:27 PM

Heron: So because some villain with a knife would still be able to stab maybe a handful of people in a market it's entirely pointless to pass laws restricting and monitoring the ownership of hardware allowing one person to kill 12 and injure 50? yeah, that makes sense. On a similar note, we should just forget about prohibiting mining companies from dumping toxic amounts of mercury in our drinking water because, even with those laws in place, your spouse could still put rat poison in your coffee.


Mass shootings are an extremely rare occurrance that only affects a very small portion of the population. You don't make massive sweeping changes to the rights of society based on fear of such things. That's irrational. You have a better chance of dying in a terrorist attack or a tsunami than being the victim of a mass shooting.
 
2012-07-21 09:11:44 PM

ZipSplat: Heron: So because some villain with a knife would still be able to stab maybe a handful of people in a market it's entirely pointless to pass laws restricting and monitoring the ownership of hardware allowing one person to kill 12 and injure 50? yeah, that makes sense. On a similar note, we should just forget about prohibiting mining companies from dumping toxic amounts of mercury in our drinking water because, even with those laws in place, your spouse could still put rat poison in your coffee.

Mass shootings are an extremely rare occurrance that only affects a very small portion of the population. You don't make massive sweeping changes to the rights of society based on fear of such things. That's irrational. You have a better chance of dying in a terrorist attack or a tsunami than being the victim of a mass shooting.


Ahh, the dumbass you replied to seems to value mass killing over single deaths. A death is a death. It can be by bombs, grenades, gas, mass poisoning, or even car (see the old bastard who wipes out a bunch of people at a farmers market every week. McVeigh took out 168 people, and bombs are illegal, did it stop him? If someone wants you dead, there is nothing you can do about it.
 
2012-07-21 10:27:02 PM

fusillade762: The nation's citizens also confirmed that, any time now, some religious figure or cable news personality will say something unbelievably insensitive about the tragic shooting.

Too late.

"You know what really gets me, as a Christian, is to see the ongoing attacks on Judeo-Christian beliefs, and then some senseless crazy act of terror like this takes place," Gohmert said.


Walker: Knee jerk reactions left and right are already happening. AMC says no more costumes, masks, or fake weapons allowed. And people are saying they want metal detectors and nude scanners at theaters.

And the theaters will probably go along with it. You know, to prevent people from bringing their own snacks weapons.


Wrong
 
2012-07-22 12:34:13 AM

EngineerAU: Lsherm: Well, it took them all of four hours to figure out what his middle name was. The first reports didn't have it, but sure enough every story today has it.

Wonder if that'll stick. Use of a middle name in media reports and eventually history books tends to be reserved for serial killers rather than mass murderers.


Isn't a mass murderer just a really fast serial killer?
 
2012-07-23 03:01:20 AM

Heron: Really? Then why does this happen so much more rarely in every other State in the developed world? There is a significant, noticeable difference here, and it's pretty damn obvious.


Population density and your lack of knowledge. United States , England, Canada , Norway , Finland , and Germany have had mass shootings in the past 10 years. Just to name a few. Of course, US media likes to pretend it's nothing more than than US phenomena. It's not.
 
2012-07-23 03:23:53 PM

Hobodeluxe: The subject legally purchased four guns in the last 60 days at two different chain stores. He also purchased 6,000 rounds of various ammunition on the internet in addition to multiple magazines for the assault rifle, including a 100-round drum magazine.

you'd think that the ATF would have a red flag pop up if someone started rapidly loading up like this but no they can't. Thanks NRA


oh, because everyone who buys guns and ammo ends up shooting some people? this "red flag" would pop constantly, and if ud paid attention to anything about this guy, youd see they have no reason to do anything anyway.
 
2012-07-23 07:40:28 PM

Gyrfalcon: Indubitably: Indubitably: MacWizard: EngineerAU: Lsherm: Well, it took them all of four hours to figure out what his middle name was. The first reports didn't have it, but sure enough every story today has it.

Wonder if that'll stick. Use of a middle name in media reports and eventually history books tends to be reserved for serial killers rather than mass murderers.

And assassins.

Be afraid, very afraid.

;)

P.S. Love works, and violence does not; what else do you need to know? That is it.

What about violent love?


So, you were abused, then?
 
2012-07-24 02:24:44 AM
People buy rounds in bulk like that, especially when there are ammunition sales. It's not terribly unusual. Most of the people I know that are big gun fans probably have at least a few thousand rounds of ammunition - usually because they find a sale and stock up.

Drum magazines are also not that unusual in states that allow them.

And "multiple magazines"? Yeah, that's REALLY not unusual.

If you want the ATF to substantively inquire about every person who purchases "a lot" of ammunition, or specialty items like extended magazines, or regular magazines, the ATF is going to be making a lot of house calls.

In most of the shootings in recent memory, I place blame at the feet of our shiatty, shiatty mental health system. Deinstitutionalization should have never happened after the Community Mental Health Act passed, and Reagan should have never shut down what little was left. When someone sees that someone else is struggling mentally, there should be a well-funded system to turn to.
 
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