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2012-07-21 12:00:10 PM

liquidsiphon: So the hassle of reloading is why high capacity magazines should be allowed?ZipSplat: liquidsiphon: I just don't think you need to have high capacity magazines. What would be the use? If you are hunting you aren't going to fire 30+ rounds at a target. There's no point to high capacity magazines that I can think of. Not trying to mock or anything, I just don't see the point.

1) To not have to reload all the time for sport shooting.
2) To not have to reload all the time if you're killing people, which is what the 2nd Amendment's protection is intended for.

We live in a country that has as one of its founding principles the preservation of your ability to have a gun for the express reason of defending yourself or the country - which means killing other human beings.

So the hassle of reloading is why high capacity magazines should be allowed? Or is because you need more round to kill other people who you feel are a threat? This isn't the wild west. We actually have police to handle it and 100 round AR-15 mags are definitely going to be used more by the psychos than people defending their homes.


Ok boot locker, it is really simple. The US is founded on a healthy mistrust of government. Part of that mistrust dictates if the govt gets too out of hand the people have a right and responsibility to stop it. High capacity mags are necessary to that end. Honestly my view is, if a cop can use it you should be able to own it.
 
2012-07-21 12:00:58 PM

craigdamage: rohar
Find me a weapon small enough for concealed carry that can do any serious damage to modern body armor.

I think you mean PENETRATE armor.

CZ-52 or TT-33 "Tokarev" 7.62x25mm

Occasionally at gun shows you can find 9mm steelcore ammo made by Hirtenberger. It is 124 grain +p fmj and will defeat level III body armor.

Any 9mm "NATO" 124 fmj (1200 + fps) will defeat Level I,II and II-A armor.

Google " NIJ threat level" for details on armor penetration.

.....oh,and the 125 grain fmj .357 Sig will defeat most body armor.
too.


Well there ya go, learn something new every day.
 
2012-07-21 12:03:37 PM

liquidsiphon: I'm not sure what the point of owning assault weapons for civilians even is, other than you can buy it.


This is America, what more reason should there be?
 
2012-07-21 12:05:23 PM

liquidsiphon: This isn't the wild west.


For me, yeah, it really is.
 
2012-07-21 12:06:45 PM

rohar: Aikidogamer: rohar: Aikidogamer: Walker: Knee jerk reactions left and right are already happening. AMC says no more costumes, masks, or fake weapons allowed. And people are saying they want metal detectors and nude scanners at theaters. Good thing I hardly go to the movies. This will make me go even less if they start searching me every time I walk thru the door. Crazy people are everywhere. If they want to hurt you they will. There's no amount of preventative measures that will prevent it. You could be caring a gun, but they can still shoot you in the back of the head without warning. Life comes with risk. If you don't want to take the risk seal yourself in a bunker.

This...if a person was carrying there might have been less hurt and killed, or might not. I carry, but I was not in that crowd. Even if I was, it would be a stretch to say I would have had a clear shot.

Find me a weapon small enough for concealed carry that can do any serious damage to modern body armor.

Shot placement? .45 acp FMJ. The amount of energy would still knock a guy down so you can easily follow up with a head shot. Also if one were to shoot the back of leg just above the knee a major artery would sever and bleed out death would be less than a minute. It is not like the video games where body armor = invulnerable.

That said, I was trying to communicate that no amount if preparation will prevent every tragedy. Evil men will do evil things if thy are committed enough.

The .45 won't knock a guy down without penetrating the body armor with a body mass shot. Physics prevents it. If it could, it'd knock whoever fired it down too. Newton's law and all. You're right though. Even if there were 10 people gunning for him, he had surprise and overwhelming firepower. Any effective shot is so low percentage that the entire conversation of concealed carry, regarding this incident, is completely misplaced.

All the gun control in the world won't stop these incidents. It's almost impossible to get your hands on a weapon in Germany, but the Red Army Faction created blood baths for decades.


Hold on what kind of armor are we talking? I know with typical police issue armor you will still go down. It stops the bullet but lots of energy gets spread out and so your body still takes a shot that breaks ribs usually. Now ceramic plate armor like the military uses may go down just his you say.
 
2012-07-21 12:10:41 PM
liquidsiphon I'm not sure what the point of owning assault weapons for civilians even is, other than you can buy it.



Logistical ubiquity.


modern "assault rifles" adhere to NATO and "stanag" standards.

Civilians want a weapon "platform" that is totally able to interchange with others. ammo,magazines,parts and accessories.

....you know,for when the zombies arrive.
 
2012-07-21 12:10:43 PM

Aikidogamer: rohar: Aikidogamer: rohar: Aikidogamer: Walker: Knee jerk reactions left and right are already happening. AMC says no more costumes, masks, or fake weapons allowed. And people are saying they want metal detectors and nude scanners at theaters. Good thing I hardly go to the movies. This will make me go even less if they start searching me every time I walk thru the door. Crazy people are everywhere. If they want to hurt you they will. There's no amount of preventative measures that will prevent it. You could be caring a gun, but they can still shoot you in the back of the head without warning. Life comes with risk. If you don't want to take the risk seal yourself in a bunker.

This...if a person was carrying there might have been less hurt and killed, or might not. I carry, but I was not in that crowd. Even if I was, it would be a stretch to say I would have had a clear shot.

Find me a weapon small enough for concealed carry that can do any serious damage to modern body armor.

Shot placement? .45 acp FMJ. The amount of energy would still knock a guy down so you can easily follow up with a head shot. Also if one were to shoot the back of leg just above the knee a major artery would sever and bleed out death would be less than a minute. It is not like the video games where body armor = invulnerable.

That said, I was trying to communicate that no amount if preparation will prevent every tragedy. Evil men will do evil things if thy are committed enough.

The .45 won't knock a guy down without penetrating the body armor with a body mass shot. Physics prevents it. If it could, it'd knock whoever fired it down too. Newton's law and all. You're right though. Even if there were 10 people gunning for him, he had surprise and overwhelming firepower. Any effective shot is so low percentage that the entire conversation of concealed carry, regarding this incident, is completely misplaced.

All the gun control in the world won't stop these incidents. It's almost impossibl ...


Sorry, I was being too literal with "knocked down". There isn't enough kinetic energy on a bullet to knock someone down without knocking the shooter down. That said, I've broken ribs due to too little force to actually knock me down, but I went down anyway :)

Still, I stand by my assertion that no amount of gun control laws will stop these incidents from happening.
 
2012-07-21 12:13:10 PM

rohar: Aikidogamer: rohar: Aikidogamer: rohar: Aikidogamer: Walker: Knee jerk reactions left and right are already happening. AMC says no more costumes, masks, or fake weapons allowed. And people are saying they want metal detectors and nude scanners at theaters. Good thing I hardly go to the movies. This will make me go even less if they start searching me every time I walk thru the door. Crazy people are everywhere. If they want to hurt you they will. There's no amount of preventative measures that will prevent it. You could be caring a gun, but they can still shoot you in the back of the head without warning. Life comes with risk. If you don't want to take the risk seal yourself in a bunker.

This...if a person was carrying there might have been less hurt and killed, or might not. I carry, but I was not in that crowd. Even if I was, it would be a stretch to say I would have had a clear shot.

Find me a weapon small enough for concealed carry that can do any serious damage to modern body armor.

Shot placement? .45 acp FMJ. The amount of energy would still knock a guy down so you can easily follow up with a head shot. Also if one were to shoot the back of leg just above the knee a major artery would sever and bleed out death would be less than a minute. It is not like the video games where body armor = invulnerable.

That said, I was trying to communicate that no amount if preparation will prevent every tragedy. Evil men will do evil things if thy are committed enough.

The .45 won't knock a guy down without penetrating the body armor with a body mass shot. Physics prevents it. If it could, it'd knock whoever fired it down too. Newton's law and all. You're right though. Even if there were 10 people gunning for him, he had surprise and overwhelming firepower. Any effective shot is so low percentage that the entire conversation of concealed carry, regarding this incident, is completely misplaced.

All the gun control in the world won't stop these incidents. It's almost impossibl ...

Sorry, I was being too literal with "knocked down". There isn't enough kinetic energy on a bullet to knock someone down without knocking the shooter down. That said, I've broken ribs due to too little force to actually knock me down, but I went down anyway :)

Still, I stand by my assertion that no amount of gun control laws will stop these incidents from happening.


Of course, we naturally agree on that last part. The rest of the convoy was just a pair of gun enthusiasts geeking out :)
 
2012-07-21 12:25:37 PM

Aikidogamer: gun enthusiasts


Being this is FARK, I feel I have to clarify my position before all the nut jobs show up calling me a "gun nut". I don't even see myself as an enthusiast. I live where the nearest police presence is at least 20 minutes away. I also live 30 minutes away from one of the most violent cities in the state AND I own livestock with mountain lions, coyotes and wolves in the area. You put all of this together, and there will be guns.

I also have a lawn, because of this, I have a lawn mower. I'm not sure that makes me a lawn mower enthusiast :)
 
2012-07-21 12:26:09 PM
and the saddest and most accurate part of the article is the last sentence...

"Oh, and here's another thing I hate I know," Brennen continued, "In exactly two weeks this will all be over and it will be like it never happened."
 
2012-07-21 12:26:23 PM
According to the nation's citizenry, calls for a mature, thoughtful debate about the role of guns in American society started right on time

Almost there
 
2012-07-21 12:29:16 PM

rohar: Aikidogamer: gun enthusiasts

Being this is FARK, I feel I have to clarify my position before all the nut jobs show up calling me a "gun nut". I don't even see myself as an enthusiast. I live where the nearest police presence is at least 20 minutes away. I also live 30 minutes away from one of the most violent cities in the state AND I own livestock with mountain lions, coyotes and wolves in the area. You put all of this together, and there will be guns.

I also have a lawn, because of this, I have a lawn mower. I'm not sure that makes me a lawn mower enthusiast :)


For me it is a hobby. Some golf, some bowl, I like to shoot targets and hunt. Really, it is the ultimate skill competition in my view. I am also pretty interested in their inner workings. The modern gun is an amazing piece of machinery. So shooting satisfies my need to tinker and my need challenge myself.
 
2012-07-21 12:33:22 PM

elguerodiablo: mr smart the great: and if only every person would carry a gun or at least a bat.

Your comment reminded me that the Aurora mall used to be gang banger central. There used to be gang shootings in the parking lot all the time. I blame the mexican cartels for making black gangs obsolete. Back in the heyday of the Crips v. Bloods about 50 people in the theater would have shot back.


.. and it would nary make a blip on the local newspaper...
 
2012-07-21 12:45:17 PM

Wayne 985: ZipSplat: X-boxershorts: Oh...fark you

That's all you have? Not some argument to the contrary? In the aftermath of the Tucson shooting the anti-gun portion of the left was trying to ban high capacity magazines. It's not an irrational thing to be concerned with that subset of the left wanting to ban guns after these things. It always happens. Rachel Maddow (who I otherwise enjoy) spends weeks talking about how we should ban things because "if high capacity magazines didn't exist, someone could have tackled Loughner sooner".

So it is an on-going battle. It's not irrational to be defensive on this issue. Gun grabbers are still grabbing at guns.

It sounds like Rachel Maddow had a good point. I'm fine with gun ownership, but Jesus. Things should probably be a little more regulated and restricted when maniacs can buy those kind of weapons.


....... good reasoning but flawed... this nutjob AFAIK could've bought anything he wanted... he has ZERO history of 'documented' mental problems and no criminal record.

There are probably hundreds of thousands of folks in America today who are true nutjobs but can buy just about anything they want just like this Holmes guy. Regulate all you want.. it doesn't matter.. what we need is better regulation of individuals...not of firearms!!!! If a teacher, parent, priest, uncle etc thinks someone has a potential to be crazy at least start some paper trail on him/her...
 
2012-07-21 12:48:33 PM

ZipSplat: liquidsiphon: So the hassle of reloading is why high capacity magazines should be allowed? Or is because you need more round to kill other people who you feel are a threat? This isn't the wild west. We actually have police to handle it and 100 round AR-15 mags are definitely going to be used more by the psychos than people defending their homes.

Oh no, I'm not threatened at all. I live in a low crime community in a state with strict gun laws. I don't even own a gun. I was in the Marine Corps for five years and I hated going to the range. I don't even sport shoot, it's lame.

The United States has been around for ~240 years, depending on when you want to start counting. In that time we had a revolution, a civil war, two world wars, and countless riots and little insurrections. In the next 250 years that the United States exists, do you expect that the situation will remain for everyone that follows you as it is right now for you?

You're not just taking away your own right to own guns and accessories that can kill people. You're telling the rest of U.S. history that they cannot own capable guns or inherit the knowledge and tradition of weapons handling.


OK I wasn't going to comment on this thread but - we pretty much entered a TOTALLY new ballgame once we got nukes.. Yes at this point we should have all become pacifist vegetarians (I so wish we had) but does your house really require an ICMB to protect it?
 
2012-07-21 12:49:00 PM

SuperNinjaToad: Wayne 985: ZipSplat: X-boxershorts: Oh...fark you

That's all you have? Not some argument to the contrary? In the aftermath of the Tucson shooting the anti-gun portion of the left was trying to ban high capacity magazines. It's not an irrational thing to be concerned with that subset of the left wanting to ban guns after these things. It always happens. Rachel Maddow (who I otherwise enjoy) spends weeks talking about how we should ban things because "if high capacity magazines didn't exist, someone could have tackled Loughner sooner".

So it is an on-going battle. It's not irrational to be defensive on this issue. Gun grabbers are still grabbing at guns.

It sounds like Rachel Maddow had a good point. I'm fine with gun ownership, but Jesus. Things should probably be a little more regulated and restricted when maniacs can buy those kind of weapons.

....... good reasoning but flawed... this nutjob AFAIK could've bought anything he wanted... he has ZERO history of 'documented' mental problems and no criminal record.

There are probably hundreds of thousands of folks in America today who are true nutjobs but can buy just about anything they want just like this Holmes guy. Regulate all you want.. it doesn't matter.. what we need is better regulation of individuals...not of firearms!!!! If a teacher, parent, priest, uncle etc thinks someone has a potential to be crazy at least start some paper trail on him/her...


Or as another option, maybe we should treat our fellow citizens with some respect. Educate them, give them access to basic services such as physical and mental health professionals. Support an economy that works for most if not all rather than just the top n percent.

Maybe, we won't generate as many crazies we would only have to track that way.
 
2012-07-21 01:00:43 PM

jso2897: tonguedepressor: Renowned transvestite sexologist: Sociopathic mass murders

How many 'Sociopathic mass murders' are carried out with cars you dumb shiat.

Quite a few, actually - it's not especially unusual for some drunk or lunatic to plow his car into a crowd on purpose. One particularly awful incident I can rember was the Davis Attias incident in Isla Vista - but it isn't uncommon. You probably shouldn't have called him a "dumb shiat", under these circumstances.


He merited the dumb shiat moniker for championing gun deaths vs drunk driver deaths w/o addressing the matter of willful intent.
 
2012-07-21 01:43:06 PM
Well, you know the Liberal Derpocrats are already spewing their spin.....

First, they claim Holmes is "Tea Party". Holmes is as Tea Party as George Zimmerman was white.

Then, its "we need to take away all guns" derp.....Of course, it works great in Chicago, New York, and all the other Gun Control Nazi cities. Tell their victims how much Gun Control Nazi works

Yet, it will be the same Liberal Derpocrats who will whine if Holmes is executed for his horrific crimes. Liberal Derpocrats will do anything to save the life of a criminal, no matter how many people he kills....

Well, except for that "white Hispanic" guy that capped the "No Limit N----" in Florida. Oh wait, No Limit and his daddy were gang-bangers...so yeah we gotta preserve criminal rights
 
2012-07-21 02:47:19 PM

jso2897: And before you reply with something stupid


Whoops, too late for you on that account. I don't own a gun and probably won't ever. I like living in places where it's both unnecessary and dangerous (good risk of hitting neighbors). I was just pointing out that that's the really only freedom-impairing proposal people have been making in the wake of this.

Settle down.
 
2012-07-21 03:04:04 PM

SuperNinjaToad: Wayne 985: ZipSplat: X-boxershorts:

There are probably hundreds of thousands of folks in America today who are true nutjobs but can buy just about anything they want just like this Holmes guy. Regulate all you want.. it doesn't matter.. what we need is better regulation of individuals...not of firearms!!!! If a teacher, parent, priest, uncle etc thinks someone has a potential to be crazy at least start some paper trail on him/her...


I always wonder about those nutjobs, especially when I am driving on a two-way street with no divider between the opposing lanes of traffic.
www.wiki-cine.com
 
2012-07-21 04:13:08 PM

Githerax: I, for one, am sick and tired of the world 'alleged'.


And now we're into the part of the news cycle where FOX and CNN should be reporting that "Githerax allegedly said he is sick and tired of the world 'alleged.'" Then the hate radio stations on the AM dial talking about "Alleged media hater Githerax needs to be stabbed in the neck." Followed by a halfassed, insincere apology between scooped handfuls of vicodin by the host who said it.
 
2012-07-21 04:18:28 PM

Renowned transvestite sexologist: Drunk drivers kill FAR more people per capital per year than sociopathic mass murders do in the United States. Perspective, get some.


Hell, drivers in general, drunk or otherwise. Usually the amateur variety, fairly rarely the pros that do it for a living. The media's making a huge scandal out of 60-something people hurt and 12 killed in a movie theater, but is completely ignoring the 90 people killed and thousands injured by bad driving on the same day.
 
2012-07-21 04:37:55 PM

Trocadero: Having a short memory is a blessing and a curse. We don't have thousand year old blood feuds which influence regional politics for generations, like the Old World. However, we also seem to be incapable of learning from our dumb mistakes, and are always caught by surprise when something truly horrible happens.


...This, actually.

/I thought we didn't have blood feuds on purpose, but now that I think about it...
 
2012-07-21 05:08:46 PM
Westboro Baptist Church protests at the funerals in 3....2.....1...
 
2012-07-21 05:23:19 PM

British: Westboro Baptist Church protests at the funerals in 3....2.....1...


...oh farkmonkeys. And they will, too. Anything for attention.
 
2012-07-21 07:37:15 PM

Yes this is dog: The nation's citizens also confirmed that, any time now, some religious figure or cable news personality will say something unbelievably insensitive about the tragic shooting

Anyone monitoring the 700 Club?


Rick Warren beat them to it this time. Scumbag
 
2012-07-21 07:39:20 PM

Genju: Walker: Knee jerk reactions left and right are already happening. AMC says no more costumes, masks, or fake weapons allowed. And people are saying they want metal detectors and nude scanners at theaters. Good thing I hardly go to the movies. This will make me go even less if they start searching me every time I walk thru the door. Crazy people are everywhere. If they want to hurt you they will. There's no amount of preventative measures that will prevent it. You could be caring a gun, but they can still shoot you in the back of the head without warning. Life comes with risk. If you don't want to take the risk seal yourself in a bunker.

LOL even though the guy went through the side exits right? They'll probably only have them on the entrances.


Same thing we do at airports. All you've got to do to get past airport security is get a grey jumpsuit and go through the side doors.
 
2012-07-21 07:41:58 PM

Renowned transvestite sexologist: It could have happened anywhere, at any time. There are 300 million people in this country, at any given time, at least one crack pot is planning is big scene for all to see. It's just the way it is. There's no politics that can stop this, there's no laws that can fix this, nothing can fix this. We can set up a utopia with a 100% employment rate, full access to preventative medical coverage (mental and physical), and a place where everyone actually lives their dreams...the fact of the matter is this shiat will still happen.

We can live in fear or we can live.

/there's nothing to see here, move along


Really? Then why does this happen so much more rarely in every other State in the developed world? There is a significant, noticeable difference here, and it's pretty damn obvious.
 
2012-07-21 07:55:32 PM

hbk72777: Gyrfalcon: For the rest, not having readily accessible firearms in most of Great Britain reduces the number of random gun deaths; but I suspect that if you split out "murderous knife rampages" from overall homicides--in other words, if you put the US and Britain on a weapons parity--they way outstrip us in weirdos who kill one another with butcher knives, samurai swords, and chainsaws.

Exactly


In fact, they seem to be having a rash of knife crime. People are always going to find a way to kill you if they want to.

Link


So because some villain with a knife would still be able to stab maybe a handful of people in a market it's entirely pointless to pass laws restricting and monitoring the ownership of hardware allowing one person to kill 12 and injure 50? yeah, that makes sense. On a similar note, we should just forget about prohibiting mining companies from dumping toxic amounts of mercury in our drinking water because, even with those laws in place, your spouse could still put rat poison in your coffee.
 
2012-07-21 08:53:27 PM

Heron: So because some villain with a knife would still be able to stab maybe a handful of people in a market it's entirely pointless to pass laws restricting and monitoring the ownership of hardware allowing one person to kill 12 and injure 50? yeah, that makes sense. On a similar note, we should just forget about prohibiting mining companies from dumping toxic amounts of mercury in our drinking water because, even with those laws in place, your spouse could still put rat poison in your coffee.


Mass shootings are an extremely rare occurrance that only affects a very small portion of the population. You don't make massive sweeping changes to the rights of society based on fear of such things. That's irrational. You have a better chance of dying in a terrorist attack or a tsunami than being the victim of a mass shooting.
 
2012-07-21 09:11:44 PM

ZipSplat: Heron: So because some villain with a knife would still be able to stab maybe a handful of people in a market it's entirely pointless to pass laws restricting and monitoring the ownership of hardware allowing one person to kill 12 and injure 50? yeah, that makes sense. On a similar note, we should just forget about prohibiting mining companies from dumping toxic amounts of mercury in our drinking water because, even with those laws in place, your spouse could still put rat poison in your coffee.

Mass shootings are an extremely rare occurrance that only affects a very small portion of the population. You don't make massive sweeping changes to the rights of society based on fear of such things. That's irrational. You have a better chance of dying in a terrorist attack or a tsunami than being the victim of a mass shooting.


Ahh, the dumbass you replied to seems to value mass killing over single deaths. A death is a death. It can be by bombs, grenades, gas, mass poisoning, or even car (see the old bastard who wipes out a bunch of people at a farmers market every week. McVeigh took out 168 people, and bombs are illegal, did it stop him? If someone wants you dead, there is nothing you can do about it.
 
2012-07-21 10:27:02 PM

fusillade762: The nation's citizens also confirmed that, any time now, some religious figure or cable news personality will say something unbelievably insensitive about the tragic shooting.

Too late.

"You know what really gets me, as a Christian, is to see the ongoing attacks on Judeo-Christian beliefs, and then some senseless crazy act of terror like this takes place," Gohmert said.


Walker: Knee jerk reactions left and right are already happening. AMC says no more costumes, masks, or fake weapons allowed. And people are saying they want metal detectors and nude scanners at theaters.

And the theaters will probably go along with it. You know, to prevent people from bringing their own snacks weapons.


Wrong
 
2012-07-22 12:34:13 AM

EngineerAU: Lsherm: Well, it took them all of four hours to figure out what his middle name was. The first reports didn't have it, but sure enough every story today has it.

Wonder if that'll stick. Use of a middle name in media reports and eventually history books tends to be reserved for serial killers rather than mass murderers.


Isn't a mass murderer just a really fast serial killer?
 
2012-07-23 03:01:20 AM

Heron: Really? Then why does this happen so much more rarely in every other State in the developed world? There is a significant, noticeable difference here, and it's pretty damn obvious.


Population density and your lack of knowledge. United States , England, Canada , Norway , Finland , and Germany have had mass shootings in the past 10 years. Just to name a few. Of course, US media likes to pretend it's nothing more than than US phenomena. It's not.
 
2012-07-23 03:23:53 PM

Hobodeluxe: The subject legally purchased four guns in the last 60 days at two different chain stores. He also purchased 6,000 rounds of various ammunition on the internet in addition to multiple magazines for the assault rifle, including a 100-round drum magazine.

you'd think that the ATF would have a red flag pop up if someone started rapidly loading up like this but no they can't. Thanks NRA


oh, because everyone who buys guns and ammo ends up shooting some people? this "red flag" would pop constantly, and if ud paid attention to anything about this guy, youd see they have no reason to do anything anyway.
 
2012-07-23 07:40:28 PM

Gyrfalcon: Indubitably: Indubitably: MacWizard: EngineerAU: Lsherm: Well, it took them all of four hours to figure out what his middle name was. The first reports didn't have it, but sure enough every story today has it.

Wonder if that'll stick. Use of a middle name in media reports and eventually history books tends to be reserved for serial killers rather than mass murderers.

And assassins.

Be afraid, very afraid.

;)

P.S. Love works, and violence does not; what else do you need to know? That is it.

What about violent love?


So, you were abused, then?
 
2012-07-24 02:24:44 AM
People buy rounds in bulk like that, especially when there are ammunition sales. It's not terribly unusual. Most of the people I know that are big gun fans probably have at least a few thousand rounds of ammunition - usually because they find a sale and stock up.

Drum magazines are also not that unusual in states that allow them.

And "multiple magazines"? Yeah, that's REALLY not unusual.

If you want the ATF to substantively inquire about every person who purchases "a lot" of ammunition, or specialty items like extended magazines, or regular magazines, the ATF is going to be making a lot of house calls.

In most of the shootings in recent memory, I place blame at the feet of our shiatty, shiatty mental health system. Deinstitutionalization should have never happened after the Community Mental Health Act passed, and Reagan should have never shut down what little was left. When someone sees that someone else is struggling mentally, there should be a well-funded system to turn to.
 
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