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(Daily Mail)   Man: "You honor, that 7 year-old girl pinned me down and forced her tongue in my mouth, it's not my fault" Judge: "Hmm, seems legit"   (dailymail.co.uk) divider line 89
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2012-07-21 03:01:47 AM  
I don't understand why people can't tell the difference between homosexuality (sexual acts between consenting adults), trans people (a personal choice that harms nobody and physically affects only themselves), and pedophilia.
 
2012-07-21 03:14:09 AM  
Well, to be fair, if he had fought her off he would be in prison for child abuse. It's a lose-lose situation if a girl under 18 comes at you liek that.
 
2012-07-21 03:18:05 AM  
I think The David has a point. He's not apologizing for the behavior of pedophiles. He's just pointing out our unusual willingness to dehumanize them, instead of treating them like we treat other criminals (ie, that there exists at least the possibily of rehabilitation, repaying society for their crimes, and leading a consructive life).

His point isn't about the guy in the article, folks... It's about you.

I can't say I follow on the whole "redneck" thing though. People may look down on poor white trash, but nobody's advocating the idea that they deserve to be lined up and shot just for existing.
 
2012-07-21 03:23:30 AM  
Oh I almost forgot to ask:

Was the girl in TFA wearing a Mickey Mouse mask, and did the guy have an oven door chained to his wrist?

/obscure?
 
2012-07-21 03:36:46 AM  

Z-clipped: I think The David has a point. He's not apologizing for the behavior of pedophiles. He's just pointing out our unusual willingness to dehumanize them, instead of treating them like we treat other criminals (ie, that there exists at least the possibily of rehabilitation, repaying society for their crimes, and leading a consructive life).

His point isn't about the guy in the article, folks... It's about you.

I can't say I follow on the whole "redneck" thing though. People may look down on poor white trash, but nobody's advocating the idea that they deserve to be lined up and shot just for existing.


No, that wasn't his point at all. It was a lame pastiche pseudo-intellectual disingenuous "Just asking questions" frankenstein's monster of a strawman combining parts of 'white christians are the REAL persecuted people' 'intentional dog whistle conflation of gays and pedos' and 'lieberals are the REAL racists for not tolerating XYZ-stupidity'. I disagree with capital punishment, and despise the condoning or suggestion of torture under any circumstances, and I still think he's an idiot.
 
2012-07-21 03:49:10 AM  
Well, Britain is officially a dripping festering crotch sore of a country now.
 
2012-07-21 04:17:05 AM  

doglover: The old UK laws were better. Was a time when 7 would get you 6 (feet under)


KimNorth: Could the judge be a Pedophile? They hate to convict one of their buddies they see socially under ground.


jtown: Ya know, there are days when I wish I was an assassin with some down time. But I'm just so busy these days...


I'm sure glad I have you level-headed, reasonable folk who are willing to dole out real justice. Y'know, for the children.

The One True TheDavid: For extra credit, try this: imagine what it must be like to be born a pedophile


Of course they can't. They just want their witch, and they got 'em one, and they're gonna hang 'im high. Y'know, for the children.
 
2012-07-21 04:23:08 AM  

BronyMedic: Mithiwithi:
Feel free to quote any part of any of The One True TheDavid's posts where he says it's okay to have sex with the little kiddies, or where he says anyone who does so shouldn't be held accountable for their actions.

Uh, maybe you missed this. It's understandable.

The One True TheDavid: Here's the rub: from their perspective they may be perfectly correct. If it's true that most people are born heterosexual except the few who are born homo- or bisexual, it must be possible for people to be born pedophiles. This doesn't make it right to act on those urges, certainly not in a culture like ours that cultivates such pernicious neuroses around mixing sex with power, but it does make it understandable with a wee bit of effort. And you should not lose sight of the fact that your disapproval of his/her drives does not cancel out the pedo's humanity.

We should feel sorry the poor, poor pedophiles. Oh, woe are them. They were "born that way".


No, we need to understand that they were born that way. That's a whole lot different from EXONERATING them from being born that way. We also need to acknowledge that about 35% of them would like to change what they recognize as a horrible behavior, treat them; and adjust our incarceration laws so the other 65% can be kept locked up indefinitely.

Semi-cool story: My friend the CO has a known pedophile in his pod. This guy has been incarcerated twice for kiddie-diddling. He continually screws up in prison (thus ruining his chances for parole) because he KNOWS he will reoffend when he is released and doesn't want to--he literally cannot help himself. This inmate's solution is to keep himself in prison as much as possible so he can't commit any more crimes. But our current laws don't allow us to keep him in prison past his release date.

I don't feel sorry for him, but I do feel sorry that he realizes he's doing wrong, and trying to keep himself away from his prey.
 
2012-07-21 04:53:15 AM  

Damn that judge for believing that story (THIS DID NOT HAPPEN) and acquitting the man (THIS DID NOT HAPPEN EITHER).

Thompson admitted a charge of sexual assault and was given an eight-month prison sentence, suspended for two years, with probation service supervision. He was also put on the sex offenders' register, banned from having unsupervised contact with girls under 16 and ordered to attend a treatment programme. Judge Matthews told Thompson: 'You are a man of good character and that is an important feature in the sentencing assessment, and also your having pleaded guilty.

'I note what has been said about that child and her background. However, it is very clear to me she is an extremely vulnerable victim. I know not whether you selected her deliberately, but it seems to me you should have been able to withstand such attentions as she was giving you.

'I have read the pre-sentence report and noted the factors in there carefully, and you reveal some worrying traits in your beliefs about this matter. Therefore, it is impossible for me to assess fully the risk you pose and I have to err on the side of caution that you are potentially a high risk of offending against other female children.

'Therefore, it is vital that you are subject to a sex offenders' treatment programme. Bearing in mind the guidelines for sentencing in such cases, I could not pass a sentence of imprisonment which would ensure you receive treatment.'
 
2012-07-21 05:02:02 AM  

IlGreven: I'm sure glad I have you level-headed, reasonable folk who are willing to dole out real justice. Y'know, for the children.


Pedophilia is one of those crimes we can't fix. Did you see the Sandusky interviews? You can teach a thief to stop stealing. You can teach some kinds of murderers kindness and compassion. But you can't teach a pedophile not to be a pedophile. At least, not yet.

Since we can't really fix them, and we can't leave them out there on the streets, and we can barely afford to care for all of our law abiding citizens.... what choices are left?
 
2012-07-21 05:59:09 AM  

doglover: But you can't teach a pedophile not to be a pedophile.


What are you basing this on? Most of the time we don't even try to rehabilitate thieves, let alone pedophiles. To say that it can't be done is pure insanity.
 
2012-07-21 06:08:12 AM  

doglover: Since we can't really fix them, and we can't leave them out there on the streets, and we can barely afford to care for all of our law abiding citizens.... what choices are left?


First, you can't say things like "barely afford to care for all of our law abiding citizens" and expect to be taken seriously.

Second, we could spend less money imprisoning drug offenders and more money treating pedophiles. Everyone wins, no additional money needed.

Third, we could reform the prison system in general; pedophiles need to be isolated from children, but that doesn't necessarily mean they need to be locked in a tiny room, under 24/7 heavy guard, doing nothing economically productive. Is there some reason a pedophile couldn't be a perfectly good accountant or computer programmer or factory worker, so long as they were kept isolated from their potential victims?
 
2012-07-21 06:11:09 AM  

profplump: doglover: But you can't teach a pedophile not to be a pedophile.

What are you basing this on? Most of the time we don't even try to rehabilitate thieves, let alone pedophiles. To say that it can't be done is pure insanity.


I said we can't do it YET. You have to read all of the sentences in order to catch that.

I'm sure that it's possible. I've just never heard of a program that's done it, or come anywhere near close. What I have heard is statistics pointing to sexual offenders having high rates of relapse. It's cost benefit analysis. If you have any examples of someone overcoming an addiction to an illegal perversion, ANY illegal perversion, I'd like to see it.

All the cases I hear about were folks like the Marquis de Sade who was nucking futs and needed to be locked in a room to avoid doing horrible things that would make the Joker blush.
 
2012-07-21 06:20:41 AM  
IlGreven: doglover: The old UK laws were better. Was a time when 7 would get you 6 (feet under)

KimNorth: Could the judge be a Pedophile? They hate to convict one of their buddies they see socially under ground.

jtown: Ya know, there are days when I wish I was an assassin with some down time. But I'm just so busy these days...

I'm sure glad I have you level-headed, reasonable folk who are willing to dole out real justice. Y'know, for the children.

The One True TheDavid: For extra credit, try this: imagine what it must be like to be born a pedophile

Of course they can't. They just want their witch, and they got 'em one, and they're gonna hang 'im high. Y'know, for the children.


Yeah, that's it.

Hey, I can be humane. An 8x10 padded cell and three hots a day sounds lovely for them.
 
2012-07-21 06:54:31 AM  

Meethos: The One True TheDavid: Meethos: The One True TheDavid: Pedo apologist crap

Dude, no. All of it. No.

Read it again. Slowly. Move your lips if you have to.

Or are you unable to think outside your blinkered little box?

I'm good man. Thanks though.

Playing devil's advocate is fun, just not with pedos.


HERP DERP A DURR

Trying to understand people is SO hard, so let's not even try!
 
2012-07-21 07:09:02 AM  

Mithiwithi: Meethos: The One True TheDavid: Meethos: The One True TheDavid: Pedo apologist crap

Dude, no. All of it. No.

Read it again. Slowly. Move your lips if you have to.

Or are you unable to think outside your blinkered little box?

I'm good man. Thanks though.

Playing devil's advocate is fun, just not with pedos.

Feel free to quote any part of any of The One True TheDavid's posts where he says it's okay to have sex with the little kiddies, or where he says anyone who does so shouldn't be held accountable for their actions.


That's not what he said in that post.
 
2012-07-21 07:53:16 AM  

profplump: Second, we could spend less money imprisoning drug offenders and more money treating pedophiles. Everyone wins, no additional money needed.


This is the main part of my grand overhaul scheme of the justice system. I'd like to see a lot of the judicial system in general be cut back. No, you don't get a bunch of weird little laws, infinite appeals, and lawyer tricks. For criminal law, a lot of things can simply be discarded or dealt with as a lot more minor than they currently are.

Underage drinking? You should have the cop drag you by your ear back to your old man who should then yell at you for awhile and possibly take his belt off and menace you with it. Then the cop goes home writes up a mission accomplished report, and you and your old man crack some more beers and laugh about how your dumb ass got caught and how to avoid it in the future.

Pot? How is it a crime to be high? Stoners really only hurt themselves. Hard drug users also smoke pot, but it's not a violence enhancer on its own. Whiskey should be illegal long before pot's on the block. Let people grow their own. If you really need a binky, make it illegal to import or something.

Raping somebody? Incarceration costs a lot of money. Rehabilitation is long, expensive road. Pinking shears are $2.99 at Walmart. They've got two choices: be rendered safe through an expensive rehabilitation program the jails can suddenly afford, or opt out and learn about "cut rate" solutions.
 
2012-07-21 08:37:03 AM  

moonage daydream: I don't understand why people can't tell the difference between homosexuality (sexual acts between consenting adults), trans people (a personal choice that harms nobody and physically affects only themselves), and pedophilia.


Because Jesus.
 
2012-07-21 09:03:43 AM  

IlGreven: doglover: The old UK laws were better. Was a time when 7 would get you 6 (feet under)

KimNorth: Could the judge be a Pedophile? They hate to convict one of their buddies they see socially under ground.

jtown: Ya know, there are days when I wish I was an assassin with some down time. But I'm just so busy these days...

I'm sure glad I have you level-headed, reasonable folk who are willing to dole out real justice. Y'know, for the children.

The One True TheDavid: For extra credit, try this: imagine what it must be like to be born a pedophile

Of course they can't. They just want their witch, and they got 'em one, and they're gonna hang 'im high. Y'know, for the children.


You mad bro?? You sound like a Pedo....
 
2012-07-21 09:36:09 AM  

doglover: profplump: Second, we could spend less money imprisoning drug offenders and more money treating pedophiles. Everyone wins, no additional money needed.

This is the main part of my grand overhaul scheme of the justice system. I'd like to see a lot of the judicial system in general be cut back. No, you don't get a bunch of weird little laws, infinite appeals, and lawyer tricks. For criminal law, a lot of things can simply be discarded or dealt with as a lot more minor than they currently are.

Underage drinking? You should have the cop drag you by your ear back to your old man who should then yell at you for awhile and possibly take his belt off and menace you with it. Then the cop goes home writes up a mission accomplished report, and you and your old man crack some more beers and laugh about how your dumb ass got caught and how to avoid it in the future.

Pot? How is it a crime to be high? Stoners really only hurt themselves. Hard drug users also smoke pot, but it's not a violence enhancer on its own. Whiskey should be illegal long before pot's on the block. Let people grow their own. If you really need a binky, make it illegal to import or something.

Raping somebody? Incarceration costs a lot of money. Rehabilitation is long, expensive road. Pinking shears are $2.99 at Walmart. They've got two choices: be rendered safe through an expensive rehabilitation program the jails can suddenly afford, or opt out and learn about "cut rate" solutions.


I thought you were religious? The Punishment for rape is to marry your victim, and a cash payout to her father.

Deuteronomy 22:28-29: King James Version (KJV)

28 If a man find a damsel that is a virgin, which is not betrothed, and lay hold on her, and lie with her, and they be found;

29 Then the man that lay with her shall give unto the damsel's father fifty shekels of silver, and she shall be his wife; because he hath humbled her, he may not put her away all his days.


Of course this only applies if shes not married, If she is married they both get killed.
 
2012-07-21 09:55:05 AM  
My 15 year old daughter, who watching some shiatty Brit show on netflix, asked me what sodomy was.
 
2012-07-21 10:01:09 AM  
What the 7 year-old "girl" looked like:
www.crackingace.com
/hot
 
2012-07-21 10:08:51 AM  

Tyrone Slothrop: What the 7 year-old "girl" looked like:
[www.crackingace.com image 780x780]
/hot


What is that, a Goauld?
 
2012-07-21 10:10:45 AM  
i.imgur.com

Seventy three comments?
 
2012-07-21 10:35:07 AM  

Broktun: My 15 year old daughter, who watching some shiatty Brit show on netflix, asked me what sodomy was.


Did you show her what it was?
 
2012-07-21 11:34:05 AM  

Broktun: My 15 year old daughter, who watching some shiatty Brit show on netflix, asked me what sodomy was.


Is paying taxes a way of sodomy?.
 
2012-07-21 01:50:07 PM  

MAYORBOB: Small wonder they lost a farking empire.


www.vh1.com
 
2012-07-21 02:03:22 PM  

moonage daydream: I don't understand why people can't tell the difference between homosexuality (sexual acts between consenting adults), trans people (a personal choice that harms nobody and physically affects only themselves), and pedophilia.


A homosexual can be attracted to adults or children.
A heterosexual can be attracted to adults or children.

A pedophile who is attracted to children of their same sex/gender is a homosexual.
A pedophile who is attracted to children of the opposite sex/gender is a heterosexual.
A pedophile attracted to children period is bisexul.

I know why the distinction is made, to try to distance homosexuals from pedophiles, but the distinction isn't true -- it's political correctness and a push back against the worst fears of folks who talk about stopping the homosexual agenda. But it ain't real. It's politics.
 
2012-07-21 02:04:36 PM  

gbv23: MAYORBOB: Small wonder they lost a farking empire.

[www.vh1.com image 432x615]


Uh, no. LOL it's the DAD who created a Real Doll in the shape of a little girl about his son's age.

/always figured that show was subversive
 
2012-07-21 02:16:39 PM  

profplump: doglover: But you can't teach a pedophile not to be a pedophile.

What are you basing this on? Most of the time we don't even try to rehabilitate thieves, let alone pedophiles. To say that it can't be done is pure insanity.


We could use immersion therapy and slowly expose pedophiles to children....
 
2012-07-21 02:20:43 PM  

Gyrfalcon: I sound fat: Okay internet tough on crime guys, hypothetically, what are you SUPPOSED to do if a seven year old forces her tongue in your mouth? What are YOU gonna say in court?

Can you tell me where this has ever even hypothetically happened...until now?


When I was 14 I babysat for a church-friend of my parent's. (grammar).
Anyway, the 7 year old daughter would not quit grabbing my junk and trying to kiss me. I told her parents and they laughed. I stopped babysitting for them immediately.
 
2012-07-21 03:51:43 PM  

Z-clipped: I think The David has a point. He's not apologizing for the behavior of pedophiles. He's just pointing out our unusual willingness to dehumanize them, instead of treating them like we treat other criminals


Pedophilia is a poor, sad trait I wouldn't wish upon anyone, and I do feel bad for them.

Child abuse and molestation isn't something you're born doing.
 
2012-07-21 04:16:18 PM  

Mithiwithi: Meethos: The One True TheDavid: Meethos: The One True TheDavid: Pedo apologist crap

Dude, no. All of it. No.

Read it again. Slowly. Move your lips if you have to.

Or are you unable to think outside your blinkered little box?

I'm good man. Thanks though.

Playing devil's advocate is fun, just not with pedos.

Feel free to quote any part of any of The One True TheDavid's posts where he says it's okay to have sex with the little kiddies, or where he says anyone who does so shouldn't be held accountable for their actions.


Hey, now I don't have to say that. Thanks.
 
2012-07-21 06:24:29 PM  
www.freecodesource.com

definitely NOT!!!!!! I AM NOT
a pedophile
 
Ral
2012-07-21 10:08:34 PM  

JWideman: BronyMedic: grimlock1972: Dafuq did i just read?

Pedophiles will justify their victimization of children by saying that it was something the child did. The child actually wants to be molested or raped in their mind. Their body language or actions are read as sultry or alluring to someone like the guy in the article.

They don't view it as harming a child. They view it as giving a child what they want, and showing their love towards a child.


What I really wonder about is whether they are rationalizing after the fact, or actually perceiving innocent behavior as sexual. And if it's the latter, why they don't think "let's not encourage this."



It's the latter. Interviews and case studies of pedophiles often reveal that the pedophile has a distorted view of sexuality and sexual behavior. Things kids do that are nothing more than friendly (kids do like to jump into your lap) or silly are interpreted by pedophiles as sexual, and intentionally seductive in nature. They assign to children all the cognizance, sexual desires, and subtle social awareness that adults have, and may believe that children are competent to somehow choose such behavior. This also leads to the conclusion "She let me do it, so she must have wanted me to."

One theory about this mindset (and similar kinds of "blaming others") is that this perception of events is a defense mechanism. It's the only way the pedophile can see himself as a "good" person who is a victim. Because someone who actually assaults children sexually is a monster, and nobody wants to think they are a monster.
 
2012-07-21 11:22:45 PM  

The One True TheDavid: In contemporary America there are two kinds of people it's perfectly acceptable to hate, loathe and despise: poor white people (especially rural and/or southern ones) and people cursed by an unacceptable attraction to children. Indeed, it's become P.I. to even consider that "those people" might be human. (Unlike, say, RuPaul, whose every lip twitch must be applauded.)

Everybody else gets a pass: even guys who gun down a dozen perfect strangers for no good reason get their behavior and supposed psychology analyzed all over the New York Times and People Magazine, but let a white guy listen to Conway Twitty in a trailer or let anybody feel up one kid (or -- gasp -- both) and the attitude becomes "there's no understanding such people, you just have to beat them down."

Anyone who can swallow that some people are born "women trapped in male bodies" -- especially those who furiously defend them and their ways -- should be able to at least decry bigotry against rednecks and pedos as well. If it's bigotry itself that's wrong, that is.


Is that a troll? If so, it will probably get plenty of responses, but you really should have accentuated the parallels with murdering space aliens, because they are misunderstood as well.
 
2012-07-21 11:30:00 PM  

profplump: doglover: But you can't teach a pedophile not to be a pedophile.

What are you basing this on? Most of the time we don't even try to rehabilitate thieves, let alone pedophiles. To say that it can't be done is pure insanity.


Have you seen the recidivism rates for pedophiles, even those with treatment? You know, that intensive psychological treatment the majority of them are required to go through? The statistics are just the the ones that are caught again. What is your argument, again?
 
2012-07-21 11:33:07 PM  

Britney Spear's Speculum: born_yesterday: Britney Spear's Speculum: [i1.kym-cdn.com image 427x490]

That is so not her real hair color.

Here's the unphotoshopped version

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Dayum, you sure can rock those pixels!
 
2012-07-21 11:42:44 PM  

CygnusDarius: Broktun: My 15 year old daughter, who watching some shiatty Brit show on netflix, asked me what sodomy was.

Is paying taxes a way of sodomy?.


Given the rates I pay as compared to your average billionaire, yes, but without lube or pleasure.
 
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