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2012-07-20 11:31:49 PM
9 votes:

GoldSpider: Not a fan of Romney by any stretch, but what will his tax returns show that nobody already knows? That he's filthy rich?


Umm, most candidates since 68 have been rich - they still released their tax returns. So, why is Romney so different? It is literally a no-brainer. You release your tax returns: everyone glances over them, your opponents take a few lame cheap shots, and everyone moves on. It is a rite of passage, just like deep-throating corndogs.

Instead, Mitt has balked. This whole thing was meant to be a ranging shot by the Obama campaign. No one cares in July, so any decent campaign chunks a lame attack downfield to see what the opponent does. It gives you some idea of how they respond to attacks, how fast, in what venues, etc. Then you can plan for the real attacks once the election season really starts. I will guarantee you the Obama campaign felt he would finally release some tax returns, they would make a few desultory bon mots, and then walk away with the much more important tactics snapshot. Life would go on, and thinks would coast until Labor Day. Instead the Romney campaign flails around like a tasered Special Olympian. Mitt then declares he is running for First Lady in 2004. The Obama campaign in probably still sitting there with its collective jaw on the floor, wondering how someone can have been running continuously for President since ~2006 and still make preschool class presidential candidates look professional. Team Romney have totally flipped out about piddling shiat - and have looked like complete amateurs while doing it. And then Anne went all Marie Antoinette. Romney hasn't just shot himself in the foot; he's unloaded the entire clip into it and is screaming for someone to pass him more ammo. Obama doesn't give a rat's ass about the tax returns themselves, but you would be 50 shades of farking retarded to not keep poking him, when he keep getting more derptastic, and providing you with tons of material for the actual campaign.

I will bet you dollars to donuts Obama has an ad already in the can for when Romney does finally release what will be perfectly legal tax returns. It is simply Obama looking directly into the camera saying "See, Mitt, it wasn't that hard, was it? Glad to see you make your Daddy proud!" The meltdown from Romney off that will probably make the Dean Scream seem positively autistic.
2012-07-20 11:09:09 PM
6 votes:

Funbags: This election is a referendum on Obama.


Elections are never just referendums on the incumbent (they may be referendums in some percentage, but they are not simply that - and it differs from voter to voter). The vote is not simply "Do we keep Obama?". It is "Do we keep Obama OR replace him with This Specific Person?" You cannot just simply say "It doesn't matter" because the replacement matters. To wit, there are entire rafts of Republican pols who would make credible replacements to Obama. They - for various reasons - didn't even try this year. Instead the Whackadoodle Circus came to town; and spat out Mitt Louis XVI. There is such a thing as accepting some version of Kinda Don't Want because the alternative is Please God NO.
2012-07-20 08:26:52 PM
6 votes:

shruggingdowntheroad: I think this is what Republican pundits fear and why they think he should comply. My opinion is probably wrong; I'm not a political consultant.


I think the real question is going to be how long this lasts. Romney's losing sources of strength letting this fester. He can't run as a successful governor... mostly because his most successful act as governor is precisely basically Obamacare on a state level. And now it's getting harder to run as a successful businessman because he doesn't want to add life to the tax return issue by having to talk about it.

So what's left? He can't run as an "everyman" because he's blue blooded even among his fellow congressmen. He can't run as the charismatic guy like Bush did because well... he's not charismatic. At all. He can't run as a decisive leader because he's been on both sides of most major issues in the past. He can't run on issues because he doesn't want to offer a vision for his platform.

He's kind penned in right now, and since he can't make moves, the Obama campaign gets to tell us what Mitt Romney's all about because Mitt can't do it himself. It's a very bad situation. The only upside is that the American people have a short memory and most are low information voters. And that's not much, because once Obama reminds them how well he can deliver a speech, Willard's in big trouble.
2012-07-20 07:23:56 PM
5 votes:

Snowflake Tubbybottom: Whoopdee damn doo like it makes a damned bit of difference. Did we not know the guy was already rich? Should I be outraged he might even be more rich than I first thought?

How will this begin to change anyone's mind? Haters gonna hate and Rmoney voters gonna vote Rmoney. You aren't entitled to the info, nor is anyione entitled to see Obama's grades.

/continue class warfare


It has nothing to do with him being rich. His whole campaign is built on his business savvy/history, and the idea that the rich need more breaks in order to provide jobs. What his returns might show is the immense, untold advantages the wealthy have, up to and including paying very little in taxes. It might also reveal how much he profited from his dealings with Bain, during a time when they killed American jobs by the thousands.

It would totally undermine his entire campaign - with reality. It would show him to be the very archetype of the wealthy man profiting off the loss of other, hiding money, and avoiding his fair tax burden, all the while whining about how high his taxes are.

It's not that he's rich, it's that he's an amoral profiteer.
2012-07-20 07:21:04 PM
5 votes:

DarwiOdrade: The Stealth Hippopotamus: DarwiOdrade: I'll take False Equivalences for $1600, Alex.

No, it's the same thing. They are in powerful postions in our government. We should know. I would like to see if Nancy is a generous with her money as she is with mine.

And Romney should release his taxes. Like 5 years or so.

Therefore everyone in a powerful position in government should release their tax returns? Funny, the only tradition of releasing tax returns I know of is among presidential candidates, since the 70s.



None of them are legally required to. "IT'S TRADITION" is a pretty stupid argument.

I wasn't implying that Romney shouldn't disclose his tax returns. But Congress has direct control over how money is collected and spent. I'd like to see how they're making their own money when they're so quick to spend mine. If Boehner buys stock in XYZ Company right before he passes legislation giving them an edge against their competitors I'd like to know. I think others would too. Insider trading may be perfectly legal for members of Congress, but I think their constituents have a right to make up their own minds about it.
2012-07-20 05:56:51 PM
5 votes:
Romney is an experiment to see if a horrible candidate can be elected with a sufficient, nearly unlimited amount of money, and of course some dirty tricks in the right places.
2012-07-20 05:55:57 PM
5 votes:

Vodka Zombie: Seth_The_Wide: I'd rather see Pelosi and Boehner's.

Maybe. Before, I couldn't give two shiats about seeing Mitt's returns. And then, after seeing how skittish he was about releasing them (a precedent set by his own father), my curiosity was piqued.

Look, I don't care if he paid nothing in taxes. Hell, if he did so legally, hats off to him. Navigating tax law to accomplish that is no small feat. But, that's if he did it legally.


I do care if he paid nothing in taxes. I am tired of right whingers telling me about the 47% of americans paying no income tax. I want to shove Mittens down their throats as an example of the 47%.
2012-07-20 04:59:54 PM
5 votes:

AirForceVet: vernonFL: Seth_The_Wide: I'd rather see Pelosi and Boehner's.

When they run for President, you can.

I'm game for all politicians running for office to show their income tax returns. If they can have the power to raise, lower, keep taxs stable, we ought to know.

/Especially if they give tax breaks for corporations, football luxury boxes, etc.


I'm more interested in a nice tabular presentation of all the money Congresscritters made off of insider trading deals and why that was only barely discussed in the news.
2012-07-20 04:45:42 PM
5 votes:

vernonFL: Seth_The_Wide: I'd rather see Pelosi and Boehner's.

When they run for President, you can.


I'm game for all politicians running for office to show their income tax returns. If they can have the power to raise, lower, keep taxs stable, we ought to know.

/Especially if they give tax breaks for corporations, football luxury boxes, etc.
2012-07-20 08:53:41 PM
4 votes:

kapaso: He released them to McCain in 08.


This the most infuriating part to me. He gave McCain 23 years of tax returns. He didn't say, no, I don't want the job of Vice President enough for you to invade my privacy. Now he won't give the same consideration to the people who would decide if he should be President.

It comes off as saying the back room deal of choosing a running mate is legitimate but the election is not to him. That the players in power are to be respected and accommodated but the voters are not.
2012-07-20 08:12:11 PM
4 votes:
1. He should release at least 5 years of returns
2. So should everyone in the Senate and House
3. Congress critters should not be allowed to stocks or bonds of companies over which they have legislative power, while they are in office.
4. lobbyists should not be allowed to donate more than a certain

There is no way we are going to get rid of the crony capitalism and conflicts of interest until we make it very very difficult for people in our government to benefit from gentleman's agreements or what have you.

See "Pharmaceutical Industry: sales reps, doctors, FDA" for how to clamp down on the problem.
1. compare 1998 to 2010 (yes it has been cleaned up)
2. make the following mental substitutions
- Sales Rep -> lobbyist
- Congress critter -> key opinion leader aka medical expert
- Giant corporation -> giant corporation
- Medical journals -> ratings agencies, stock analysts, etc
- inept government regulating agency > inept government regulating agents, except that the FDA actually fines companies enough to hurt their bottom line if they misbehave, unlike the SEC.
2012-07-20 07:49:14 PM
4 votes:

Ayn Rand's Social Worker: Dogberry: Coco LaFemme: Let's say everyone's wet dream comes true and Mitt's tax returns show he profited from illegal tax amnesty, and there are then calls for him to drop out of the race. Who would run? Gingrich? Santorum? Bachmann? Dubya trying for a 3rd term?

Gary Johnson?

That would be awesome!

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Obama/Johnson debates would be infinity times better than Obama/Mittens.


I'm a generally pro-Obama guy, but I'd love to see Johnson. A fresh face, change of pace, new ideas, and legitimate, well-thought out debate would be amazing.
2012-07-20 07:26:45 PM
4 votes:
As an *actual* independent, I can say that I think all politicians should reveal their tax returns. The fact that any scumbag can financially benefit from insider trading without legal ramifications sickens me, and at the very least they should be open to public review so we can check if the dealings are ethical.

As for presidential candidates and Mr. Romney, this is completely germane and the sooner he reveals this stuff, the better off he is. This whole campaign has been downright tragicomic, and I'm as disappointed in the GOP for choosing such a lackluster candidate completely inappropriate for the issues of the day as I was in the Democrats for tapping Kerry in '04.

At least in 08 both candidates were genuinely decent people with a modicum of dedication to transparency. McCain may have gone off the rails since 00, and Obama may have abandoned many of his promises to more open government, but both seem like Mr. Smith compared to Romney. The only reason this is even close is that the media seem determined to make Romney out to be a contender so it can be a horse race. If they were truly balanced, Obama would be polling around 65%...

/only party I've ever been registered was GOP from 99-03
//Pleaseopleaseoplease let this be the year the neocons, teahadists, and bible thumpers get so hammered that the republican party crumbles and re-emerges as the party of Teddy Roosevelt and Eisenhower, not this farce of an opposition party that its become
2012-07-21 10:47:09 AM
3 votes:

Bluster007: So just where are those Obama College grades? He is the smartest one yet? Right?

Or is that F in making jobs, just hurting Dems right now?


Obama may not be the smartest President ever, but considering that he's a former editor-in-chief of the Harvard Law Review while his predecessor only got in to Yale on a legacy admission and barely maintained a C average, I'd say Obama is smart enough for the job.

And did you know that the stimulus bill could have created more jobs than it did if it was not castrated by the GOP? They didn't want a bill that would help the American people too much to go through because they hate America, so it had to be watered down almost to the point of uselessness before they would even allow a vote to happen -- just like they did with health care reform.

And I'm sure the House Dems will vote on a jobs bill, once Boehner (Republican) decides to put one up for a vote. Surely, he'll do that as soon as possible instead of wasting everyone's time and tax dollars by holding 50 or 60 more votes to repeal Obamacare -- just as surely as the Senate Republicans would allow a jobs bill to go to the floor for a vote without filibustering it so that it includes tax cuts for multi-millionaires like Mitt Romney and new, medically unnecessary restrictions on abortions.

It goes without saying that the Congressional Democrats are entirely to blame for companies that have stated in no uncertain terms that they will not hire any new employees for as long as Obama is in office, right? The lack of new jobs could be in no way the fault of those wealthy, brave, wealthy, smart, wealthy, humorous, very wealthy and extremely well-endowed Job Creators™ who outright refuse to create jobs.
2012-07-21 10:29:54 AM
3 votes:

Giltric: Meh, why are we focused on how much money one guy paid or didn't pay in taxes when we have a guy who fabricated his own biography sitting in the white house?


If Obama was really bad you conservatives would not have to lie so much about him.
2012-07-21 01:28:01 AM
3 votes:

StanTheMan: Why are these tax returns in any way relevant to whether he can do the job of president?


They aren't, really. George Romney did it in 1968 as a way to show he was fiscally prudent, could keep his house in order, etc. But, once one guy hangs them out there, everyone else looks like they are hiding something if they don't. After all, if George Romney is man enough to show them to the American people, then why isn't Candidate X? And it has become tradition. It has nothing more or less to do with running the country than hauling your ass to an Iowa fair and fellating a corndog. But, like with the corndog, not doing it is seen as disrespectful to the electorate. It is a hazing: we are going to give you unlimited cosmic power (and a reasonably sized living space, to boot), and we expect you to shake your ass a little in exchange. For Mitt, who grew up in a political family - and who's dad started this little kabuki theatre - it would seem like a no-brainer: flash your tits and move on with the show. It isn't the "crime", its the cover-up. Why is Mitt breaking with tradition? That's what is driving this. And his freak-out over this is even worse. That has really caused the commotion. No one actually expected he was hiding anything in his taxes - no one even really cared. But when he started babbling like a spastic about something that is just a bit of political theatre, now people started wondering: is he hiding something? Could it be illegal? Why the reaction he gave, if everything is fine? This is the equivalent of being stopped by a cop for a broken tail-light - and when he offers to just give you a warning, you start shouting at him that he cannot, under any circumstances, look in your trunk. You may have nothing in the trunk and are just extremely protective of your 4th Amendment rights, but you basically just dared him to run you in
2012-07-20 09:10:28 PM
3 votes:

Nem Wan: kapaso: He released them to McCain in 08.

This the most infuriating part to me. He gave McCain 23 years of tax returns. He didn't say, no, I don't want the job of Vice President enough for you to invade my privacy. Now he won't give the same consideration to the people who would decide if he should be President.

It comes off as saying the back room deal of choosing a running mate is legitimate but the election is not to him. That the players in power are to be respected and accommodated but the voters are not.


I really want Obama and/or Obama's camp to hammer this point home. He went above and beyond to get the second-in-command job 4 yrs ago, and something in those 23 years of tax returns (comprising partly, of the time when he was apparently "retired" from Bain") made him say, "You know what? Give me the broad."

That makes me wonder what McCain saw that his people didn't think made him in a worthy running mate.
2012-07-20 08:31:14 PM
3 votes:

shruggingdowntheroad: Today, ABC was


You do know that the media plays it for ratings right? Are you really naive enough to imagine they have some sort of loyalty to anything or anyone?

They will attack one "side" and then the other "side." This is how they bring a fairly tepid event to a fever pitch of empty speculation so they can justify their over-the-top graphics and sound cues which keep you hooked on the sensory level.

You are being duped into thinking ABC cares about anything at all other than keeping you watching.
2012-07-20 07:52:24 PM
3 votes:

shruggingdowntheroad: I suggest a trade. One year's return, Romney's choice for Obama's college transcripts. One year's return, Obama's choice for the fast and furious documents. Sounds like a win for Obama. We know there's nothing damaging in the F&F documents.

In seriousness, Romney should hold off. Since the media minus Fox news is part of the Obama campaign team, my guess is, It's a trap. Doesn't matter what's in it they will find something to harp about, perhaps a horse he wrote off, or his losses from 2008, or an investment he ended that resulted in some business closing.


Seriously? Someone who still buys the 'Liberal media' bullshiat story?

The media loves a good scandal; R or D, they're good for ratings. And that is all most media gives a shiat about; ratings.

Fox has just found it more profitable to be the RNC Propaganda Network, and invent their OWN damn scandals.
2012-07-20 07:50:58 PM
3 votes:

shruggingdowntheroad: I suggest a trade. One year's return, Romney's choice for Obama's college transcripts. One year's return, Obama's choice for the fast and furious documents. Sounds like a win for Obama. We know there's nothing damaging in the F&F documents.

In seriousness, Romney should hold off. Since the media minus Fox news is part of the Obama campaign team, my guess is, It's a trap. Doesn't matter what's in it they will find something to harp about, perhaps a horse he wrote off, or his losses from 2008, or an investment he ended that resulted in some business closing.


So there is something in the tax returns is what you're saying? Because what normally happens when a presidential candidate releases their tax info is that the press looks at it... says, "Yup, taxes man"... and that's it. If Mitt had released his like that, and they were clean, nothing would have happened because you know what? Tax forms ain't sexy.

However, now, even the public is interested in what's in those forms. Hell, some of his fellow Republican colleagues are interested. He's taken what should have been a non-story and turned it into that trunk in the basement your dad won't let you open and won't talk about. You think the profit-driven news industry isn't interested in milking THAT story?

I would also argue that his tax returns (which candidates traditionally release to the press) are more germane then Obama's college grades. The could speak to what exactly Willard was doing a) during his non-active ownership/CEO phase at Bain and b) whether or not he's a big fan of secret banking. Both of those issues are extremely important where the economy is perhaps the number 1 issue.
2012-07-20 06:18:36 PM
3 votes:

Loucifer: Tax amnesty is a total deal breaker.

If the answer is yes, Romney needs to drop out now.


What will be hilarious is the same Republicans who've been crying out that immigrants should never have amnesty for breaking the law flipping and saying it was OK for Mittens to do it and be President of the United States.
2012-07-20 06:05:49 PM
3 votes:
Does it matter? 94% of the country has already decided and will not be swayed. We are the mercy of 6% of the country that is going to vote based on whether they feel like chocolate or vanilla that day. F*ckin' rubes.
2012-07-20 05:38:52 PM
3 votes:
This is a very interesting article that speculates that Romney had illegal over seas tax shelters and in 2009 he got IRS amnesty for them (they offered this for everyone) and that is why he can't release those tax years because it would be political suicide:


Did Mitt Romney Take the 2009 Swiss Bank Account Amnesty
2012-07-20 05:13:16 PM
3 votes:

DarwiOdrade: Therefore everyone in a powerful position in government should release their tax returns? Funny, the only tradition of releasing tax returns I know of is among presidential candidates, since the 70s.


I know the history.

And yes all members of Congress should release their tax info. Before I let them tell me I'm not giving enough I want to make damn sure they are "paying their fair share".
2012-07-20 05:05:53 PM
3 votes:
I remember when Howard Stern ran for Governor but had to drop out because he didn't want to show anyone his taxes.
2012-07-20 04:26:45 PM
3 votes:

abb3w: I think I'd settle for him releasing the 2008 and 2009 ones. That will show whether or not he took advantage of the IRS tax amnesty for unreported overseas accounts.


I want to see the ones from his years in retroactive retirement.
2012-07-21 12:18:54 PM
2 votes:

Giltric: card carrying communists


Like Marvin Olasky? He joined the Communist Party USA in 1972 and went on to become an advisor to George W Bush. Remember all the outrage from the right about him? Nope, me neither. Just that Van Jones guy. Which means this:

Giltric: it was purely because Obama was black that anyone questioned his character


Ain't exactly a stretch.
2012-07-21 11:27:16 AM
2 votes:

Giltric: Meh, why are we focused on how much money one guy paid or didn't pay in taxes when we have a guy who fabricated his own biography sitting in the white house?


The real issue here is that Mitt Romney wants to "talk about the issues", but his own history shows that he doesn't actually care about the issues, he'll just go with wherever the wind of the public opinion is going. He is demonstrably incapable of being honest when he "talks about the issues". So there's actually, literally no reason to talk about them. We know he doesn't mean a word that passes his lips, about "the issues".

Which turns the election into a contest of character. Well, everybody knows Obama's character, there's not really much to talk about. He's been proving it for the last four years and had a good scouring for the year and a half primary-to-election beforehand. So, let's talk about Mitt Romney's character, what does he have to offer?
2012-07-21 10:46:34 AM
2 votes:

Giltric: I guess Obama lives in "my" alternate reality? Thats why he acknowledges the fabrications in reprints with a disclaimer?


Ohh is that the Breitbartian bs about composite characters?

Link

CORRECTION: An earlier version of this blog post stated that Obama had acknowledged using composite characters in the reissue. In fact, Obama acknowledged the use of composite characters in the first edition of the book.


Fail.
2012-07-21 09:21:27 AM
2 votes:

netcentric: I don't care what Romney does with his own money....

I care a lot more about what Obama does with our money.


Busted talking point is busted. You didn't care what Bush did with our money, and you have no idea what Romney will do with our money.
2012-07-21 02:41:21 AM
2 votes:

Lorelle: The Stealth Hippopotamus: DarwiOdrade: I'll take False Equivalences for $1600, Alex.

No, it's the same thing. They are in powerful postions in our government. We should know. I would like to see if Nancy is a generous with her money as she is with mine.

And Romney should release his taxes. Like 5 years or so.

No, it should be 12 years, just as his father did when he ran for president.


I want to see what he paid in taxes the year before and the year after the Bush tax cuts for the wealthy took effect.
2012-07-21 02:36:07 AM
2 votes:
One thing that I find particularly odd about this ongoing fuster-clark of a response from the Romney team is that the argument about the release of tax-returns being "just an old tradition" isn't ... well, it's just doesn't strike me as a very conservative talking-point, I guess.

I mean, I personally have no respect for the argument that tradition is important, but that's because I'm quite possibly the liberalist liberal to ever liberate a lib. I'm an iconoclast of a rebel of a free-thinking pro-bacon hippie & pro-porn feminist, born into a generation that has overwhelmingly abandoned the church because we disagree with "traditional family values" being an acceptable cover for anti-gay hate. I, personally, think that the majority of traditions are dumb as hell, and I actually kind of admire a candidate refusing to be part of a dog-&-pony show. I would love to hear a presidential candidate advocate prostitution and polygamy. I would definitely vote for a candidate who stripped naked during a debate to show off tattoos. I am excited to vote for the first transexual transhumanist to run on a "legal weed" platform in my district.

But it's weird to hear a guy like Romney say that traditions don't matter.

It makes him sound like a hypocrite, in my opinion, just as much as it makes him sound like he has something to hide. Traditions -- even ones that are a half-century old, and started by your dad -- aren't important?

That sounds like something a crazy, observably-wicked, straw-man devil-worshipper in a movie about the evils of drug abuse would say ... not the first Mormon Republican President.
2012-07-20 11:41:04 PM
2 votes:

GoldSpider: Not a fan of Romney by any stretch, but what will his tax returns show that nobody already knows? That he's filthy rich?


During Romney's tenure as a Marriott director, the company repeatedly utilized complex tax-avoidance maneuvers, prompting at least two tangles with the Internal Revenue Service, records show. In 1994, while he headed the audit committee, Marriott used a tax shelter known to attorneys by its nickname: "Son of BOSS."

A federal appeals court invalidated the maneuver in a 2009 ruling, siding with the U.S. Department of Justice, which called Marriott's transaction and attempted tax benefits "fictitious," "artificial," "spectral," an "illusion" and a "scheme."

Who knows what's in there? Mitt does. And he sure doesn't want us to.
2012-07-20 09:57:44 PM
2 votes:

Coco LaFemme: I know Romney's going for the Paulie Walnuts look with the white wings at the temples and all, but he'd piss his pants if he met the actor who played Paulie Walnuts, much less met someone who actually was a Mafia capo. Either dye your entire hair black, or just go white. It doesn't make you look more distinguished.


I just assumed he was looking to look like Reed Richards, from the Fantastic Four? You know, the stretchy one that adjusts his shape to fit whatever position he's required to fill at any given moment?
2012-07-20 09:22:03 PM
2 votes:

Gyrfalcon: Snarcoleptic_Hoosier: Mister Romney needs to get some skin in the game. We as a society don't tolerate leeches.

He's not a leech, he's a Job Creator (tm). We hold them to different standards than the OTHER people who don't pay taxes, you see.


Normally, I would agree, but the good folks at Fox have told me that our Job Creators can't create jobs because they are taxed too much. If Mitt Romney paid zero income taxes, he was not taxed "too much". In fact, paying zero federal income taxes is the hallmark of leeches who need to stop sucking the government's teet.

So, paying zero taxes should produce infinite job growth, but, this particular rich man is leech because he doesn't have any skin in the game. My comment stands.

/I have the logic printed on this mobius strip if you're interested
2012-07-20 09:02:26 PM
2 votes:
By not releasing them, he's making everyone assume that the 15% in taxes he paid in 2010 was the high water mark.

He's screwed either way. Either he releases them and potentially shows that the very rich can make millions a year at low-single digit (or zero) tax rates, or he sits on them and all but admits the same. The "fifth amendment" defense never works very well in the court of public opinion, which for better or worse, is all that matters in elections.

Not a good place to be when your opponent's trying to make a point about the wealthy paying a lower percentage than the middle class.
2012-07-20 08:38:32 PM
2 votes:
I just can't believe how damn unreasonable the right is, this is something that has been asked and received by ALL presidential candidates for the last 50 years!

You're running for the most public office on the land and you have the balls to say it's "none of your people's business?"

I can't believe how goddamn stupid Americans are.
2012-07-20 07:46:48 PM
2 votes:

Dogberry: Coco LaFemme: Let's say everyone's wet dream comes true and Mitt's tax returns show he profited from illegal tax amnesty, and there are then calls for him to drop out of the race. Who would run? Gingrich? Santorum? Bachmann? Dubya trying for a 3rd term?

Gary Johnson?


That would be awesome!

4.bp.blogspot.com

Obama/Johnson debates would be infinity times better than Obama/Mittens.
2012-07-20 07:17:25 PM
2 votes:

AirForceVet: vernonFL: Seth_The_Wide: I'd rather see Pelosi and Boehner's.

When they run for President, you can.

I'm game for all politicians running for office to show their income tax returns. If they can have the power to raise, lower, keep taxs stable, we ought to know.

/Especially if they give tax breaks for corporations, football luxury boxes, etc.


You left out pet horses.... Specially when pet horses are getting 77,000 dollars in tax breaks. One welfare queen can't compare to a horse? No. Not when it's a crime to save a species to these creator type people. How many panda burgers has Dick Cheney BM'd in an effort to save them?
2012-07-20 07:11:17 PM
2 votes:

Coco LaFemme: Let's say everyone's wet dream comes true and Mitt's tax returns show he profited from illegal tax amnesty, and there are then calls for him to drop out of the race. Who would run? Gingrich? Santorum? Bachmann? Dubya trying for a 3rd term?


Gary Johnson?
2012-07-20 06:57:24 PM
2 votes:
dtdstudios.com
2012-07-20 06:15:16 PM
2 votes:
Mister Romney needs to get some skin in the game. We as a society don't tolerate leeches.
2012-07-20 06:12:52 PM
2 votes:

Duke Phillips' Singing Bears: Does it matter? 94% of the country has already decided and will not be swayed. We are the mercy of 6% of the country that is going to vote based on whether they feel like chocolate or vanilla that day. F*ckin' rubes.


The GOPs grasp on the blue collar sector is seen as rock solid. I don't believe it is. Mitt is the embodiment of what a lot of blue collar workers hate. They may not vote for Obama but all they need to do is stay home and the election won't even be worth staying up past bedtime for.
2012-07-20 06:11:33 PM
2 votes:

JunkyJu: Which politician in Washington ISN'T a millionaire?


Not many. However there are many who weren't private equity managers who spent their entire career using loopholes in tax and business laws like Romney did.
2012-07-20 05:53:52 PM
2 votes:
Romney will release his returns now or after the speculation that gets taken as fact is actually worse than the truth.

Romney is a moron if he thinks he can send out his disabled wife to diffuse the issue.

Romney is hiding something, maybe something so bad he thinks it will cost him the election. The tax issue isn't going away, I can smell blood in the water on this one.
2012-07-20 05:50:19 PM
2 votes:

The Stealth Hippopotamus: DarwiOdrade: I'll take False Equivalences for $1600, Alex.

No, it's the same thing. They are in powerful postions in our government. We should know. I would like to see if Nancy is a generous with her money as she is with mine.

And Romney should release his taxes. Like 5 years or so.


No, it should be 12 years, just as his father did when he ran for president.
2012-07-20 05:43:02 PM
2 votes:
I want to see if Willard Mitt Romney returned any salary he got from Bain when he was 'retroactively' retired.
2012-07-20 05:42:43 PM
2 votes:

odinsposse: It's like he said "Listen, don't ask about where I've been for the last five years. You know where my residency is now, I never lived outside of the US in that time, and that is all that is legally required." I normally couldn't care less about where someone lives but if they said that I would really like to know where they had been.


His incredible bungling of this is threatening to rename the Streisand Effect.
2012-07-20 05:01:21 PM
2 votes:

AirForceVet: I'm game for all politicians running for office to show their income tax returns. If they can have the power to raise, lower, keep taxs stable, we ought to know.


I agree, the way to do that is to ask your representative to make theirs public. If enough of their constituents asked them to, they probably would.
2012-07-20 04:58:58 PM
2 votes:

DarwiOdrade: I'll take False Equivalences for $1600, Alex.


No, it's the same thing. They are in powerful postions in our government. We should know. I would like to see if Nancy is a generous with her money as she is with mine.

And Romney should release his taxes. Like 5 years or so.
2012-07-20 04:46:24 PM
2 votes:

Seth_The_Wide: I'd rather see Pelosi and Boehner's.


I'll take False Equivalences for $1600, Alex.
2012-07-20 04:38:10 PM
2 votes:

Seth_The_Wide: I'd rather see Pelosi and Boehner's.


Maybe. Before, I couldn't give two shiats about seeing Mitt's returns. And then, after seeing how skittish he was about releasing them (a precedent set by his own father), my curiosity was piqued.

Look, I don't care if he paid nothing in taxes. Hell, if he did so legally, hats off to him. Navigating tax law to accomplish that is no small feat. But, that's if he did it legally.
2012-07-23 12:54:36 AM
1 votes:

shotglasss: I'd rather see Nanzi Pelosi's returns and Obama's college records.

Lemme get this straight:

You'd prefer to see the college records of someone who has been on the job for 3+ years over finding out if a man worth 1/4th billion hid money overseas or paid any taxes? Really? You'd rather see if Obama got a D in science than find out if Romney is a job outsourcer or a morally bankrupt cheat? You'd prefer checking out a guy whose very existence has been scrutinized by the nano-second, who has been investigated by every nut in the world from Orly Taint to Sharif Joe, to seeing some tax returns that could reveal some amazingly damning shiat that would make a guy unfit for this office? That's what you're saying?

Please consider being a real patriot and not voting. I'm sure you're a lovely person, but being as intellectually uninterested as you are makes for one bad voter, no matter what side one is on. Obama's already in, so like him or hate him but there's nothing more to learn. Even the most rabid right-winger should have an interest in Romney's tax returns, if for no other reason than morbid curiosity. C'mon. Have some interest in your friggin' country, not some game about Kenyan Darkie being a gay muslim spaceman who studied witchcraft with the ghost of Karl Marx. It's worth it to find out about Romney even if you're absentee ballot is already filled out in your mind.
2012-07-21 10:56:04 PM
1 votes:

Bill Murray said I was weird: tony41454: 54% of you people want to see Romney's tax returns


No they don't. They'd rather see jobs, a booming economy and Obama kicked out of the WH on his ass.

Mitt's tax returns are a NON ISSUE. What IS an issue is Obama's fraudulent social security number and his fake birth certificate and all the LIES he's told about his past.

So how about you post his personal information then, like you do to people here, asshole? Or are you still too busy praying for his murder?


Seriously, how has Tony not been banned? The personal information thing alone should've gotten him thrown out on his hateful ass, let alone the kinda stuff that would interest the Secret Service.
2012-07-21 12:14:36 PM
1 votes:

Giltric: Romenys character?....well thats off limits......just like the chracter of a person who pals around with america hating preachers, bomb making socialists, card carrying communists, proponents of eugenics.

Theres "not much to talk about" in regards to Obama because they were all off limits when they came out.....it was purely because Obama was black that anyone questioned his character....remember those days?


I seem to remember those being questioned pretty thoroughly. I mean, the Republican Campaign is already digging up that old stuff in another attempt to cast Obama's character in a negative light. But again, it's old news. We've talked about it, and Obama's mettle has been tested. I think he's a lot more unethical than a lot of people are comfortable with and thought he was, but either which way - how he's gonna jump when he gets that 3am phone call (I guess that's not a talking point any more?) is a known quantity.

Like I first said in this thread, the really interesting thing is how Romney would give 20 years of returns to McCain in 2008, and only 1 year to the public in 2012. Doesn't that make you wonder what's in there? Maybe that's worth talking about? If it's not worth talking about, why is he refusing to release them? How is Romney going to jump?
2012-07-21 11:27:07 AM
1 votes:
Look, no republicans want these tax returns released. Do you realize the tide that will turn when the American public, including all these trailer park conservatives, sees how the 1% like the Romneys essentially won what to the rest of us would be multiple Mega Millions jackpots in a single year, once we see what they paid in taxes the year before the Bush dividend tax cuts went into effect vs. the year after?
2012-07-21 10:51:20 AM
1 votes:

Giltric: Meh, why are we focused on how much money one guy paid or didn't pay in taxes


It all comes down to Mitt's ability to see reality in a reasonable manner, his judgment, in other words. Here's a guy who argues that he is being Taxed Too Much, even though he only pays a 15% effective tax rate on federal income, according to the single, incomplete, tax return he has released. Clearly, that could be a fluke. Maybe he had a 40% effective rate in the 10 previous years, and his judgment is proved to be sound. On the other hand, maybe the incomplete tax return he gave us is a fluke. Maybe he only paid 0-10% in the previous years. If that is the case, then it would show his judgment is clearly compromised and probably unfit for the office of presidency.

I mean, really, already he has show to be severely lacking in judgment, and foresight, what with his stated desire to invade Iran, his belief the Russia is a major threat, his belief that we should not have gotten Osama in Pakistan, his belief we can double defense spending and cut taxes and still have a balanced budget, and his belief that he can run for the office of the presidency and not release what all the other people running for president, including his father, released and no one would notice or mention it. He just does not seem to have even a modicum of judgment needed to be president.
2012-07-21 10:48:57 AM
1 votes:

Giltric: Aldon: Giltric: Meh, why are we focused on how much money one guy paid or didn't pay in taxes when we have a guy who fabricated his own biography sitting in the white house?

If Obama was really bad you conservatives would not have to lie so much about him.

I think what you are experiencing is called beaten wife syndrome or maybe stockholm syndrome ....its that one where you make excuses for the person or are convinced that the person really isn't that bad.


Nah, you're experience what we call "grasping at straws"

That's where you make up things to convince yourself that your problems are caused by the black guy in the White House.
2012-07-21 10:31:17 AM
1 votes:
Seems to me that he's bordering on 0% chance of winning, so It's hard to fathom how releasing them could ultimately make things worse. Unless he already realizes that this election cycle is hopeless anyway and is trying to preserve some political validity in the future.
2012-07-21 10:07:50 AM
1 votes:
Again, the lack of GOP/TP shills posting is astounding.

We have now officially termed this phenomenon, "Conservative Collapse Disorder," after a similar disappearance of the bees.

Are they waiting for new talking points?
2012-07-21 09:29:28 AM
1 votes:

Ed Finnerty: Fun fact: Romney's father was the one who STARTED this "tradition".


Yeah, I had caught that ... which is what makes it even weirder, to me. I can't think of any Mormons -- or conservatives -- who would willingly back down from an admired tradition started by their dad. Can the number really be THAT bad?
2012-07-21 09:22:57 AM
1 votes:

Bluster007: So just where are those Obama College grades? He is the smartest one yet? Right?

Or is that F in making jobs, just hurting Dems right now?


Account created: 2012-07-20 08:36:30

Man, you gotta break these things in before you go balls-out with the derping.
2012-07-21 09:16:59 AM
1 votes:
It's kind of wierd that he could release 20 years worth to McCain in 2008, and only 1 year to the public in 2012.

/ I sound concerned
2012-07-21 08:56:02 AM
1 votes:
I don't care what Romney does with his own money....

I care a lot more about what Obama does with our money.
2012-07-21 07:24:52 AM
1 votes:
If he doesn't want to release his tax records, I'm not going to force him. In fact, I kind of hope he doesn't. As long as he tries to hide his past, people are going to naturally assume that the reason is that he has something to hide and will trust him less... which means less votes for him and ensures that we keep Republicans out of the Executive for another term. I am totally okay with that.

Romney got to find out what it was like to lose in the primary before, and now he gets to find out what it is like to lose in the general.
2012-07-21 06:49:41 AM
1 votes:

ThatBoomerKid: One thing that I find particularly odd about this ongoing fuster-clark of a response from the Romney team is that the argument about the release of tax-returns being "just an old tradition" isn't ... well, it's just doesn't strike me as a very conservative talking-point, I guess.


Fun fact: Romney's father was the one who STARTED this "tradition".
2012-07-21 04:53:40 AM
1 votes:
What's Romney hiding?
2012-07-21 02:39:13 AM
1 votes:
Apparently there's something there that Romney figures would damage him more than not releasing his info is damaging him.
2012-07-21 02:34:46 AM
1 votes:

shruggingdowntheroad: qorkfiend: shruggingdowntheroad: HeartBurnKid: shruggingdowntheroad: I suggest a trade. One year's return, Romney's choice for Obama's college transcripts. One year's return, Obama's choice for the fast and furious documents. Sounds like a win for Obama. We know there's nothing damaging in the F&F documents.

So, what should Obama get for the 11 years of tax returns he's already released?

A pat on the head. Romny is not required to release anything. As I said with the media shilling for team Obama, I just don't see an upside.

No, he's under no legal obligation to do anything. Yes, it is suspicious that he won't release them in spite of 40 years of precedent and repeated calls by politicians of both parties to do so.

Do you see an upside to the current strategy of not releasing them?

I'm not sure. I see it as a lose/lose. I have already backtracked a bit on the politics aspect. Obviously I don't know what is in them, but I know, and I'm sure Romney knows, that he won't be treated fairly. I assume there is no illegal activity (i'm sure Obama has already had the IRS check for that), but the call for them is just an attempt to give the DNC more ammo.

I'm sure you would never use his tax deducted horse to make hay, or his investment tax rate, or his wealth that has been stored in multiple banks for safety, but I'm not sure I trust the rest of the media. He should maybe release them to Fark; I'm sure that he would get a completely fair vetting here.


Oh, farking cry some more. If Romney can't handle the media asking questions about his taxes, how the hell can he expect us to put him in charge of the country?

And please, spare me this "liberal media" bullshiat. You know better than that.
2012-07-21 01:48:46 AM
1 votes:

phalamir: GoldSpider: Not a fan of Romney by any stretch, but what will his tax returns show that nobody already knows? That he's filthy rich?

Umm, most candidates since 68 have been rich - they still released their tax returns. So, why is Romney so different? It is literally a no-brainer. You release your tax returns: everyone glances over them, your opponents take a few lame cheap shots, and everyone moves on. It is a rite of passage, just like deep-throating corndogs.

Instead, Mitt has balked. This whole thing was meant to be a ranging shot by the Obama campaign. No one cares in July, so any decent campaign chunks a lame attack downfield to see what the opponent does. It gives you some idea of how they respond to attacks, how fast, in what venues, etc. Then you can plan for the real attacks once the election season really starts. I will guarantee you the Obama campaign felt he would finally release some tax returns, they would make a few desultory bon mots, and then walk away with the much more important tactics snapshot. Life would go on, and thinks would coast until Labor Day. Instead the Romney campaign flails around like a tasered Special Olympian. Mitt then declares he is running for First Lady in 2004. The Obama campaign in probably still sitting there with its collective jaw on the floor, wondering how someone can have been running continuously for President since ~2006 and still make preschool class presidential candidates look professional. Team Romney have totally flipped out about piddling shiat - and have looked like complete amateurs while doing it. And then Anne went all Marie Antoinette. Romney hasn't just shot himself in the foot; he's unloaded the entire clip into it and is screaming for someone to pass him more ammo. Obama doesn't give a rat's ass about the tax returns themselves, but you would be 50 shades of farking retarded to not keep poking him, when he keep getting more derptastic, and providing you with tons of material for the ...


This is how you get on someones favorites list boys and girls.
2012-07-21 12:59:18 AM
1 votes:

Funbags: it will still be reduced to an up/down vote on Obama's first term


If the GOP had found a legitimate candidate, that might be true. Instead they took the last clown standing and Romney just looks worse every week.

images.huffingtonpost.com
2012-07-20 11:54:12 PM
1 votes:
It's unlikely there's anything in those tax returns that's criminal. The best we'll probably get is proof that the legal tax loopholes are a lot more beneficial than the poor, over-regulated 1% will ever admit.

He still won't have my vote. My inlaws will still think he's better than Obama (who is the product of a gang rape involving satan, hitler, pennywise the clown and Nancy Pelosi).

It's just another reason to wonder what the hell kind of wizard of oz is running things on this effing retarded campaign. Whoever it is, he's either lucky as hell or taking advantage of the fact that the GOP electorate has spent the last several decades becoming so incredibly effing stupid.
2012-07-20 11:50:43 PM
1 votes:

SoundOfOneHandWanking: FTFA: Most Americans surveyed - 54 percent -

When did a slight majority become most?


2 November 2004
2012-07-20 11:30:37 PM
1 votes:

WhoIsNotInMyKitchen: In other news, 46% of Americans are blissfully happy in their ignorance. Anything that will get that black muslim out of office is AOK by me! Praise Jesus!


Same percentage that voted for McCain/Palin, so...

Yes.
2012-07-20 10:51:13 PM
1 votes:

MyRandomName: So partisans looking to attack him. Got it.


So you have nothing to contribute but hypocritical partisan drivel? You should make better use of the 15 minutes mommy lets you use the computer.
2012-07-20 10:44:41 PM
1 votes:

PsiChick: I really didn't care.

Riiight up until they started hiding...

/So yeah, smart move, geniuses.


Oddly enough THIS ^

/Reasonable Republican over here.
2012-07-20 10:31:31 PM
1 votes:
I really didn't care.

Riiight up until they started hiding...

/So yeah, smart move, geniuses.
2012-07-20 10:31:16 PM
1 votes:

nmemkha: Let me join my Brither comrades in saying, "WHAR BIR... WHAR TAX RETURNS!"


There is absolutely no comparison between the Birther retards and the people who want Romney to do what every other Presidential candidate for the last 50 years has done. He gave McCain 23 yrs of back tax returns, he's given Obama just 1. Something in the milk ain't clean.
2012-07-20 10:18:50 PM
1 votes:

Funbags: Honestly, what's the point? This election is a referendum on Obama.

No one voting for Romney is doing so because they like Romney, they simply hate Obama. And nothing in Romney's tax returns is going to make them hate Obama any less.

His returns could paint him as the most greedy, entitled 1%er who deliberately used his vast financial resources to completely game the IRS, and it isn't going to result in Romney gaining or losing any votes, so why bother?


You do know there are independents don't you? There are people who haven't even started thinking about the election yet and you think this will have no effect.

Drunk already?
2012-07-20 10:13:47 PM
1 votes:
In his own way, Mittens is one of the most clueless people on Earth. I mean, Sarah Palin was clueless, but given enough time we saw her to be annoying, but powerless. Here is a guy who's supposed to be a "leader" campaigning to be leader of the free worldtm and he goes against one of the main things that every politician running for president does: release his tax records. Not only that, his OWN FATHER was the one who set the precedent.

For a country as "godfearing" as ours, for a religious guy to say FU to his father is pretty dumb.

They crucify people for less than that!
2012-07-20 10:11:53 PM
1 votes:
Honestly, what's the point? This election is a referendum on Obama.

No one voting for Romney is doing so because they like Romney, they simply hate Obama. And nothing in Romney's tax returns is going to make them hate Obama any less.

His returns could paint him as the most greedy, entitled 1%er who deliberately used his vast financial resources to completely game the IRS, and it isn't going to result in Romney gaining or losing any votes, so why bother?
2012-07-20 09:32:14 PM
1 votes:
Since Romney wants to be in charge of the IRS, it's proper for the voters to see his prior years IRS returns.

If he won't show them, he doesn't deserve the GOP nomination.
2012-07-20 09:19:32 PM
1 votes:

Coco LaFemme: Let's say everyone's wet dream comes true and Mitt's tax returns show he profited from illegal tax amnesty, and there are then calls for him to drop out of the race. Who would run? Gingrich? Santorum? Bachmann? Dubya trying for a 3rd term?


Santorum. He has the next most delegates anyways and is the nominee the republican electorate wanted before being drowned out in the tidal wave of Romney campaign cash.

That would be an interesting race of actual differing values at least. Romney panders to the right but this massachusetts republican is roughly equivalent to a texas democrat, the base should absolutely hate the guy but are being overpowered by the conservative mindset's tendency towards cheerleading for whoever is on their team regardless of how repugnant. These people wanted Santorum and would enthusiastically back him if he was handed the nomination.
2012-07-20 09:07:10 PM
1 votes:

shruggingdowntheroad: quickdraw: shruggingdowntheroad: Today, ABC was

You do know that the media plays it for ratings right? Are you really naive enough to imagine they have some sort of loyalty to anything or anyone?

They will attack one "side" and then the other "side." This is how they bring a fairly tepid event to a fever pitch of empty speculation so they can justify their over-the-top graphics and sound cues which keep you hooked on the sensory level.

You are being duped into thinking ABC cares about anything at all other than keeping you watching.

Acyually, it seems to be an attempt to push for gun control, but I agree ratings are important too. I do think the media (most) is loyal to Obama and will do what they can to reelect him. There are limits of course. If they feel eyeballs are turning away and the story is particularly good, I can see an ugly turn on Obama. But, if your argument is that most media outlets aren't actively trying to protect Obama and see him reelected, you're deluded. This is not new. Fox would not be around if their wasn't a clear niche market to fill.


Insane and ignorant is a big niche
2012-07-20 09:06:45 PM
1 votes:

shruggingdowntheroad: Mercutio74: shruggingdowntheroad: I assume there is no illegal activity (i'm sure Obama has already had the IRS check for that), but the call for them is just an attempt to give the DNC more ammo.

Who the hell discloses illegal info in their tax returns when they're that rich and can afford accountants? Also, does the IRS usually do "favours" for presidents? And of course it'd be ammo for the DNC. What if Romney managed to pay no income tax one year? What if he took up the gov'ts offer of swiss banking amnesty? What if he WAS active with Bain when he wasn't? None of those things are illegal, but each would be damning.

The IRS is considering looking into certain tax exempt statuses. I wonder who will be the focus, and I wonder who's idea that might have been. My guess is there will be no damning emails and if there are they will fall under executive privliege.

As to the rest, let us assume the things you listed are not there, are you saying that there would be no story outside of these possibilities. I think you are being a bit disingenuous. The returns, if released will be spun to DNC advantage regarless of the contents, and my guess is that partisains will agree that whatever story is spun makes Romney an unacceptable candidate.


Let's assume he releases them like every other candidate in our lifetime. That has to happen before you can say the DNC is going to spin this.

By the way, your "partisian" base listening to Fox News will never hear the spin. It's evident you're only worried about what independents might think of the disclosures. Smells like fear and desperation in the Romney camp.
2012-07-20 09:01:01 PM
1 votes:

Mercutio74: shruggingdowntheroad: I assume there is no illegal activity (i'm sure Obama has already had the IRS check for that), but the call for them is just an attempt to give the DNC more ammo.

Who the hell discloses illegal info in their tax returns when they're that rich and can afford accountants? Also, does the IRS usually do "favours" for presidents? And of course it'd be ammo for the DNC. What if Romney managed to pay no income tax one year? What if he took up the gov'ts offer of swiss banking amnesty? What if he WAS active with Bain when he wasn't? None of those things are illegal, but each would be damning.


The IRS is considering looking into certain tax exempt statuses. I wonder who will be the focus, and I wonder who's idea that might have been. My guess is there will be no damning emails and if there are they will fall under executive privliege.

As to the rest, let us assume the things you listed are not there, are you saying that there would be no story outside of these possibilities. I think you are being a bit disingenuous. The returns, if released will be spun to DNC advantage regarless of the contents, and my guess is that partisains will agree that whatever story is spun makes Romney an unacceptable candidate.
2012-07-20 08:53:38 PM
1 votes:

Dinki: shruggingdowntheroad: A pat on the head. Romny is not required to release anything.

I love this talking point. So now the best they can say for their guy, the one that had foreign bank accounts and stashed money in offshore accounts, is well he's not required to release anything. And this is the guy they want for POTUS.


You'd think Mitt would at least want to continue the tradition of his father releasing tax returns. 12 years was it?

Or, are we not allowed to talk about his father, born in Mexico, because his family fled the U.S. to avoid polygamy laws?
2012-07-20 08:48:52 PM
1 votes:

Dinki: shruggingdowntheroad: A pat on the head. Romny is not required to release anything.

I love this talking point. So now the best they can say for their guy, the one that had foreign bank accounts and stashed money in offshore accounts, is well he's not required to release anything. And this is the guy they want for POTUS.


the new talking point is if Romney has to release his taxes then so does everyone else in the entire world, but they have to do it first then afterward Romney will release his he swears
2012-07-20 08:43:42 PM
1 votes:

shruggingdowntheroad: I assume there is no illegal activity (i'm sure Obama has already had the IRS check for that), but the call for them is just an attempt to give the DNC more ammo.


Who the hell discloses illegal info in their tax returns when they're that rich and can afford accountants? Also, does the IRS usually do "favours" for presidents? And of course it'd be ammo for the DNC. What if Romney managed to pay no income tax one year? What if he took up the gov'ts offer of swiss banking amnesty? What if he WAS active with Bain when he wasn't? None of those things are illegal, but each would be damning.
2012-07-20 08:30:21 PM
1 votes:
i bet the Tea Party will start protesting any day now, I mean look what they did to Fartbaba when he didn't release his birth certrificate...

wher
tax returds
whar !
2012-07-20 08:22:00 PM
1 votes:

shruggingdowntheroad: HeartBurnKid: shruggingdowntheroad: I suggest a trade. One year's return, Romney's choice for Obama's college transcripts. One year's return, Obama's choice for the fast and furious documents. Sounds like a win for Obama. We know there's nothing damaging in the F&F documents.

So, what should Obama get for the 11 years of tax returns he's already released?

A pat on the head. Romny is not required to release anything. As I said with the media shilling for team Obama, I just don't see an upside.


No, he's under no legal obligation to do anything. Yes, it is suspicious that he won't release them in spite of 40 years of precedent and repeated calls by politicians of both parties to do so.

Do you see an upside to the current strategy of not releasing them?
2012-07-20 08:15:36 PM
1 votes:

shruggingdowntheroad: A pat on the head. Romny is not required to release anything. As I said with the media shilling for team Obama, I just don't see an upside.


Honestly, the Dems would probably love it if he does stretch it out as long as he can. The laundry list of things that MIGHT be in his tax history is probably a lot more damning than what's actually in there.
2012-07-20 08:01:49 PM
1 votes:

LasersHurt: Snowflake Tubbybottom: Whoopdee damn doo like it makes a damned bit of difference. Did we not know the guy was already rich? Should I be outraged he might even be more rich than I first thought?

How will this begin to change anyone's mind? Haters gonna hate and Rmoney voters gonna vote Rmoney. You aren't entitled to the info, nor is anyione entitled to see Obama's grades.

/continue class warfare

It has nothing to do with him being rich. His whole campaign is built on his business savvy/history, and the idea that the rich need more breaks in order to provide jobs. What his returns might show is the immense, untold advantages the wealthy have, up to and including paying very little in taxes. It might also reveal how much he profited from his dealings with Bain, during a time when they killed American jobs by the thousands.

It would totally undermine his entire campaign - with reality. It would show him to be the very archetype of the wealthy man profiting off the loss of other, hiding money, and avoiding his fair tax burden, all the while whining about how high his taxes are.

It's not that he's rich, it's that he's an amoral profiteer.


No more than any other rich person following the laws. But maybe we should hold the people who actually write the laws be more accountable to "we the people". What ever he did or did not do is allowed by corruptible politicians who are only looking out for their own best interests. I don't hate the players so much as I hate the game. Voting out the current crop doesn't guarantee any real change. So long as both sides of the voters are more interested this kind of useless rhetoric no real change can happen.

/libertarian rant off
2012-07-20 07:48:58 PM
1 votes:

shruggingdowntheroad: I suggest a trade. One year's return, Romney's choice for Obama's college transcripts. One year's return, Obama's choice for the fast and furious documents. Sounds like a win for Obama. We know there's nothing damaging in the F&F documents.


So, what should Obama get for the 11 years of tax returns he's already released?
2012-07-20 07:28:14 PM
1 votes:
Please, I prefer to go with We the People.

www.veteransnewsnow.com
2012-07-20 07:19:19 PM
1 votes:

Loucifer: It will be madness heaped on madness at the RNC this year.


I think that's a given no matter what happens.

The party has jumped the shark, and is running the best candidate they can out of some of the worst candidates to run in a while.

It feels like someone in the GOP said "Ok, Mitt, it's your turn", and probably mentally added "to lose".
2012-07-20 07:12:28 PM
1 votes:

Coco LaFemme: Let's say everyone's wet dream comes true and Mitt's tax returns show he profited from illegal tax amnesty, and there are then calls for him to drop out of the race. Who would run? Gingrich? Santorum? Bachmann? Dubya trying for a 3rd term?


None of them have enough delegates to win a first vote at the convention. So it would be a free for all on the second ballot. It could go to just about anybody. Jeb Bush, Palin, Christie, Joe the Plumber, Bachmann, Santorum, who knows - Bob Dole might jump back in. Oh and RON FARKIN PAUL. It will be madness heaped on madness at the RNC this year.
2012-07-20 07:03:40 PM
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Let's say everyone's wet dream comes true and Mitt's tax returns show he profited from illegal tax amnesty, and there are then calls for him to drop out of the race. Who would run? Gingrich? Santorum? Bachmann? Dubya trying for a 3rd term?
2012-07-20 06:56:42 PM
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Graffito: Vodka Zombie: Seth_The_Wide: I'd rather see Pelosi and Boehner's.

Maybe. Before, I couldn't give two shiats about seeing Mitt's returns. And then, after seeing how skittish he was about releasing them (a precedent set by his own father), my curiosity was piqued.

Look, I don't care if he paid nothing in taxes. Hell, if he did so legally, hats off to him. Navigating tax law to accomplish that is no small feat. But, that's if he did it legally.

I do care if he paid nothing in taxes. I am tired of right whingers telling me about the 47% of americans paying no income tax. I want to shove Mittens down their throats as an example of the 47%.


I like your style.
2012-07-20 06:51:46 PM
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My tax returns? Oh no... But I will release...
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THE HOUNDS!
2012-07-20 06:39:08 PM
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i.imgur.com
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2012-07-20 06:36:29 PM
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What's this?
I thought Mrs. Romney put this all to rest when she said he's not releasing his tax returns because it would only serve to damage his reputation, and you need only look to his past finances to get an idea of his reputation, and he sends 10% of his money to the his Mormon church and that may or may not have been used in the anti-gay marriage push in California, and you people...
2012-07-20 06:27:53 PM
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Cletus C.: kapaso: Cletus C.: kapaso: One other thing Obama has been hammering the gop on middle class tax cuts while calling out Romney on his tax returns. Since I bet Obama has a very good idea of what mitts returns contain it would make perfect sense.

Are you saying the president ordered IRS officials to provide him copies of Romney's tax returns?

Is that even legal?

He released them to McCain in 08.

So, he had a mole inside the McCain campaign. I'm guessing Sarah Palin. Something about her makes me wonder.


Considering the number of people involved in a fortune the size of romney's he seems naive to think he can keep his dealings secret while running for president.
2012-07-20 06:22:40 PM
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Corvus: Loucifer: Tax amnesty is a total deal breaker.

If the answer is yes, Romney needs to drop out now.

What will be hilarious is the same Republicans who've been crying out that immigrants should never have amnesty for breaking the law flipping and saying it was OK for Mittens to do it and be President of the United States.


What's sad is that they would not even realize that they were being inconsistent.
2012-07-20 06:21:49 PM
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Cletus C.: kapaso: One other thing Obama has been hammering the gop on middle class tax cuts while calling out Romney on his tax returns. Since I bet Obama has a very good idea of what mitts returns contain it would make perfect sense.

Are you saying the president ordered IRS officials to provide him copies of Romney's tax returns?

Is that even legal?


He released them to McCain in 08.
2012-07-20 06:20:41 PM
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Cletus C.: kapaso: One other thing Obama has been hammering the gop on middle class tax cuts while calling out Romney on his tax returns. Since I bet Obama has a very good idea of what mitts returns contain it would make perfect sense.

Are you saying the president ordered IRS officials to provide him copies of Romney's tax returns?

Is that even legal?


No, he's saying he's able to infer what's in those returns based on the one Mitt's released, and the way Mitt has acted and treats his wealth.
2012-07-20 06:16:06 PM
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One other thing Obama has been hammering the gop on middle class tax cuts while calling out Romney on his tax returns. Since I bet Obama has a very good idea of what mitts returns contain it would make perfect sense.
2012-07-20 06:05:05 PM
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Graffito: Vodka Zombie: Seth_The_Wide: I'd rather see Pelosi and Boehner's.

Maybe. Before, I couldn't give two shiats about seeing Mitt's returns. And then, after seeing how skittish he was about releasing them (a precedent set by his own father), my curiosity was piqued.

Look, I don't care if he paid nothing in taxes. Hell, if he did so legally, hats off to him. Navigating tax law to accomplish that is no small feat. But, that's if he did it legally.

I do care if he paid nothing in taxes. I am tired of right whingers telling me about the 47% of americans paying no income tax. I want to shove Mittens down their throats as an example of the 47%.


That is my guess, that mitt paid nothing in taxes. Considering the "legal" tax dodges we know about it wouldn't surprise me.

If he paid nothing in taxes I doubt him or the GOP could deal with that very well.
2012-07-20 06:04:30 PM
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Tax amnesty is a total deal breaker.

If the answer is yes, Romney needs to drop out now.
2012-07-20 05:50:42 PM
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A) did he take 2009 Tax Amnesty

B) How long was he getting money from Bain Capital

C) what rates was he paying.
2012-07-20 05:48:46 PM
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I would have no prob with all politicians showing some of their income tax returns.
Like maybe just 2 years for house representatives but like 10 year for president and 6 years for senators or such.

But I do think it's more important for the president because it is one person who can make decisions not a group.
2012-07-20 05:44:05 PM
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AirForceVet: vernonFL: Seth_The_Wide: I'd rather see Pelosi and Boehner's.

When they run for President, you can.

I'm game for all politicians running for office to show their income tax returns. If they can have the power to raise, lower, keep taxs stable, we ought to know.

/Especially if they give tax breaks for corporations, football luxury boxes, etc.


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2012-07-20 05:40:26 PM
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Vodka Zombie: Seth_The_Wide: I'd rather see Pelosi and Boehner's.

Maybe. Before, I couldn't give two shiats about seeing Mitt's returns. And then, after seeing how skittish he was about releasing them (a precedent set by his own father), my curiosity was piqued.

Look, I don't care if he paid nothing in taxes. Hell, if he did so legally, hats off to him. Navigating tax law to accomplish that is no small feat. But, that's if he did it legally.


Yeah, this. It's Romney's apparent terror at letting people see his returns that makes me want to see them.

It's like he said "Listen, don't ask about where I've been for the last five years. You know where my residency is now, I never lived outside of the US in that time, and that is all that is legally required." I normally couldn't care less about where someone lives but if they said that I would really like to know where they had been.
2012-07-20 05:31:56 PM
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i.imgur.com

This movie was scarier when you didn't see the shark as much as was originally intended.

Also, see John Kerry and the Swift Boat stuff for more details.
2012-07-20 04:58:11 PM
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abb3w: I think I'd settle for him releasing the 2008 and 2009 ones. That will show whether or not he took advantage of the IRS tax amnesty for unreported overseas accounts.


I want to see if speculation is correct that he paid no taxes in 2009. The hate from that would be priceless.
2012-07-20 04:22:32 PM
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I think I'd settle for him releasing the 2008 and 2009 ones. That will show whether or not he took advantage of the IRS tax amnesty for unreported overseas accounts.
 
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