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2012-07-21 08:42:18 AM

Eatin' Queer Fetuses for Jesus: Gary Johnson could beat Obama.


No, he can't. I like Gary Johnson, particularly on social issues, but once the olds hears he wants to completely gut Medicare, they're running for the the hills.
 
2012-07-21 08:43:59 AM

Ed Finnerty: Fun fact: Romney's father was the one who STARTED this "tradition".


Which is hilarious. When Mittens was pandering to Latinos, he was saying how proud he was of his father having been born in Mexico, and how he followed his example on everything he did. Except, of course, on the issue of releasing tax returns.
 
2012-07-21 08:56:02 AM
I don't care what Romney does with his own money....

I care a lot more about what Obama does with our money.
 
2012-07-21 09:03:02 AM
Why see his returns? A lot of his stuff is in blind trusts, so he has no knowledge of the investments.

Oh, what's that 1994 Mitt Romney? Blind trusts are just a ruse used by politicians? Hmmm, that seems to be another issue you've flipped on. And I seem to remember 8 years ago the GOP just hated anyone that ever flip flopped on anything.
 
2012-07-21 09:16:59 AM
It's kind of wierd that he could release 20 years worth to McCain in 2008, and only 1 year to the public in 2012.

/ I sound concerned
 
2012-07-21 09:20:04 AM

runwiz: And 99.9 % would like to file a tax return like his, as long as it includes the income.


Sure. 99% of people will also not run for president.
 
2012-07-21 09:21:27 AM

netcentric: I don't care what Romney does with his own money....

I care a lot more about what Obama does with our money.


Busted talking point is busted. You didn't care what Bush did with our money, and you have no idea what Romney will do with our money.
 
2012-07-21 09:22:57 AM

Bluster007: So just where are those Obama College grades? He is the smartest one yet? Right?

Or is that F in making jobs, just hurting Dems right now?


Account created: 2012-07-20 08:36:30

Man, you gotta break these things in before you go balls-out with the derping.
 
2012-07-21 09:29:28 AM

Ed Finnerty: Fun fact: Romney's father was the one who STARTED this "tradition".


Yeah, I had caught that ... which is what makes it even weirder, to me. I can't think of any Mormons -- or conservatives -- who would willingly back down from an admired tradition started by their dad. Can the number really be THAT bad?
 
2012-07-21 09:29:52 AM

Zerochance: Eatin' Queer Fetuses for Jesus: Gary Johnson could beat Obama.

No, he can't. I like Gary Johnson, particularly on social issues, but once the olds hears he wants to completely gut Medicare, they're running for the the hills.


See also: Gold standard, flat tax.
 
2012-07-21 09:56:12 AM

ecmoRandomNumbers: [i224.photobucket.com image 350x596]


See, Robin should have jumped up and immediately said "YOU PEOPLE? YOU PEOPLE?? WHAT DO YOU MEAN YOU PEOPLE??" just so America could see Ann Romneys response. That would have been hilarious!
 
2012-07-21 10:07:50 AM
Again, the lack of GOP/TP shills posting is astounding.

We have now officially termed this phenomenon, "Conservative Collapse Disorder," after a similar disappearance of the bees.

Are they waiting for new talking points?
 
2012-07-21 10:16:23 AM
Meh, why are we focused on how much money one guy paid or didn't pay in taxes when we have a guy who fabricated his own biography sitting in the white house?
 
2012-07-21 10:16:48 AM

phalamir: StanTheMan: Why are these tax returns in any way relevant to whether he can do the job of president?

(...) Why is Mitt breaking with tradition? That's what is driving this. (...)


I disagree. Yes, it's about character, and Mitt is showing his to be lacking. But it's mostly about trust. Mitt said he supports dishonesty if he can gain from it, and his tax returns will probably show that he is what most Americans consider to be a corporate oligarchist. Romney's tax returns will likely add fuel to the argument that he has no connection to or understanding of common people, and voters won't trust someone who is dishonest and disconnected.
 
2012-07-21 10:27:52 AM

Giltric: Meh, why are we focused on how much money one guy paid or didn't pay in taxes when we have a guy who fabricated his own biography sitting in the white house?


Because we don't live in your alternate reality where that is true?
 
2012-07-21 10:29:54 AM

Giltric: Meh, why are we focused on how much money one guy paid or didn't pay in taxes when we have a guy who fabricated his own biography sitting in the white house?


If Obama was really bad you conservatives would not have to lie so much about him.
 
2012-07-21 10:31:17 AM
Seems to me that he's bordering on 0% chance of winning, so It's hard to fathom how releasing them could ultimately make things worse. Unless he already realizes that this election cycle is hopeless anyway and is trying to preserve some political validity in the future.
 
2012-07-21 10:41:08 AM

cameroncrazy1984: Giltric: Meh, why are we focused on how much money one guy paid or didn't pay in taxes when we have a guy who fabricated his own biography sitting in the white house?

Because we don't live in your alternate reality where that is true?


I guess Obama lives in "my" alternate reality? Thats why he acknowledges the fabrications in reprints with a disclaimer?
 
2012-07-21 10:43:28 AM

Giltric: Meh, why are we focused on how much money one guy paid or didn't pay in taxes when we have a guy who fabricated his own biography sitting in the white house?


It's worse than that. He has fabricated his very existence. He's a myth. He's not real. All of the pics of him doing supposedly official things, like signing legislation and holding news conferences? 'Shopped. All of those news videos? CGI. Every one of them. The man does not exist. He has no incentive to be honest with the American people because he's nothing more than a figment of our collective imaginations. Even his crowning achievement, the killing of Bin Laden, is not real. I have it on good authority that Bin Laden is alive and well, and is currently the night manager of a 7-11 in Hoboken. Clearly, I'm voting Republican.
 
2012-07-21 10:43:48 AM

Aldon: Giltric: Meh, why are we focused on how much money one guy paid or didn't pay in taxes when we have a guy who fabricated his own biography sitting in the white house?

If Obama was really bad you conservatives would not have to lie so much about him.


I think what you are experiencing is called beaten wife syndrome or maybe stockholm syndrome ....its that one where you make excuses for the person or are convinced that the person really isn't that bad.
 
2012-07-21 10:43:56 AM
Jon Stewart is having fun with this

/Mystery Finance Theater
 
2012-07-21 10:45:11 AM

More_Like_A_Stain: Giltric: Meh, why are we focused on how much money one guy paid or didn't pay in taxes when we have a guy who fabricated his own biography sitting in the white house?

It's worse than that. He has fabricated his very existence. He's a myth. He's not real. All of the pics of him doing supposedly official things, like signing legislation and holding news conferences? 'Shopped. All of those news videos? CGI. Every one of them. The man does not exist. He has no incentive to be honest with the American people because he's nothing more than a figment of our collective imaginations. Even his crowning achievement, the killing of Bin Laden, is not real. I have it on good authority that Bin Laden is alive and well, and is currently the night manager of a 7-11 in Hoboken. Clearly, I'm voting Republican.


Why would you do something stupid like vote republican?


Just don't vote. Or write in Mickey Mouse.
 
2012-07-21 10:46:34 AM

Giltric: I guess Obama lives in "my" alternate reality? Thats why he acknowledges the fabrications in reprints with a disclaimer?


Ohh is that the Breitbartian bs about composite characters?

Link

CORRECTION: An earlier version of this blog post stated that Obama had acknowledged using composite characters in the reissue. In fact, Obama acknowledged the use of composite characters in the first edition of the book.


Fail.
 
2012-07-21 10:47:09 AM

Bluster007: So just where are those Obama College grades? He is the smartest one yet? Right?

Or is that F in making jobs, just hurting Dems right now?


Obama may not be the smartest President ever, but considering that he's a former editor-in-chief of the Harvard Law Review while his predecessor only got in to Yale on a legacy admission and barely maintained a C average, I'd say Obama is smart enough for the job.

And did you know that the stimulus bill could have created more jobs than it did if it was not castrated by the GOP? They didn't want a bill that would help the American people too much to go through because they hate America, so it had to be watered down almost to the point of uselessness before they would even allow a vote to happen -- just like they did with health care reform.

And I'm sure the House Dems will vote on a jobs bill, once Boehner (Republican) decides to put one up for a vote. Surely, he'll do that as soon as possible instead of wasting everyone's time and tax dollars by holding 50 or 60 more votes to repeal Obamacare -- just as surely as the Senate Republicans would allow a jobs bill to go to the floor for a vote without filibustering it so that it includes tax cuts for multi-millionaires like Mitt Romney and new, medically unnecessary restrictions on abortions.

It goes without saying that the Congressional Democrats are entirely to blame for companies that have stated in no uncertain terms that they will not hire any new employees for as long as Obama is in office, right? The lack of new jobs could be in no way the fault of those wealthy, brave, wealthy, smart, wealthy, humorous, very wealthy and extremely well-endowed Job Creators™ who outright refuse to create jobs.
 
2012-07-21 10:47:11 AM

Giltric: cameroncrazy1984: Giltric: Meh, why are we focused on how much money one guy paid or didn't pay in taxes when we have a guy who fabricated his own biography sitting in the white house?

Because we don't live in your alternate reality where that is true?

I guess Obama lives in "my" alternate reality? Thats why he acknowledges the fabrications in reprints with a disclaimer?


Wait, you're talking about the one character who was actual an amalgam of a couple different people which doesn't actually change Obama's life at all? It's amazing what straws some people will grasp at.
 
2012-07-21 10:48:57 AM

Giltric: Aldon: Giltric: Meh, why are we focused on how much money one guy paid or didn't pay in taxes when we have a guy who fabricated his own biography sitting in the white house?

If Obama was really bad you conservatives would not have to lie so much about him.

I think what you are experiencing is called beaten wife syndrome or maybe stockholm syndrome ....its that one where you make excuses for the person or are convinced that the person really isn't that bad.


Nah, you're experience what we call "grasping at straws"

That's where you make up things to convince yourself that your problems are caused by the black guy in the White House.
 
2012-07-21 10:50:50 AM

Giltric: Why would you do something stupid like vote republican?


Call me crazy.
 
2012-07-21 10:51:20 AM

Giltric: Meh, why are we focused on how much money one guy paid or didn't pay in taxes


It all comes down to Mitt's ability to see reality in a reasonable manner, his judgment, in other words. Here's a guy who argues that he is being Taxed Too Much, even though he only pays a 15% effective tax rate on federal income, according to the single, incomplete, tax return he has released. Clearly, that could be a fluke. Maybe he had a 40% effective rate in the 10 previous years, and his judgment is proved to be sound. On the other hand, maybe the incomplete tax return he gave us is a fluke. Maybe he only paid 0-10% in the previous years. If that is the case, then it would show his judgment is clearly compromised and probably unfit for the office of presidency.

I mean, really, already he has show to be severely lacking in judgment, and foresight, what with his stated desire to invade Iran, his belief the Russia is a major threat, his belief that we should not have gotten Osama in Pakistan, his belief we can double defense spending and cut taxes and still have a balanced budget, and his belief that he can run for the office of the presidency and not release what all the other people running for president, including his father, released and no one would notice or mention it. He just does not seem to have even a modicum of judgment needed to be president.
 
2012-07-21 10:58:38 AM

RyogaM: He just does not seem to have even a modicum of judgment needed to be president.


But he does seem to have a penchant for being all things to all people at all times. Surely that's good for something.
 
2012-07-21 11:07:20 AM

Corvus: This is a very interesting article that speculates that Romney had illegal over seas tax shelters and in 2009 he got IRS amnesty for them (they offered this for everyone) and that is why he can't release those tax years because it would be political suicide:


Did Mitt Romney Take the 2009 Swiss Bank Account Amnesty


Whatever is in the tax returns he obviously views growing speculation that he was illegally hiding money as being better than people knowing for sure what he was up to.
 
2012-07-21 11:07:34 AM

cameroncrazy1984: Giltric: cameroncrazy1984: Giltric: Meh, why are we focused on how much money one guy paid or didn't pay in taxes when we have a guy who fabricated his own biography sitting in the white house?

Because we don't live in your alternate reality where that is true?

I guess Obama lives in "my" alternate reality? Thats why he acknowledges the fabrications in reprints with a disclaimer?

Wait, you're talking about the one character who was actual an amalgam of a couple different people which doesn't actually change Obama's life at all? It's amazing what straws some people will grasp at.


Yea, this is weak stuff even for giltric.
 
2012-07-21 11:16:08 AM

Giltric: Meh, why are we focused on how much money one guy paid or didn't pay in taxes when we have a guy who fabricated his own biography sitting in the white house?


Um, do you want a guy who basically stole tens of millions of dollars from ALL OF US (by hiding money offshore to avoid paying his fair share of taxes) leading the country?
 
2012-07-21 11:27:07 AM
Look, no republicans want these tax returns released. Do you realize the tide that will turn when the American public, including all these trailer park conservatives, sees how the 1% like the Romneys essentially won what to the rest of us would be multiple Mega Millions jackpots in a single year, once we see what they paid in taxes the year before the Bush dividend tax cuts went into effect vs. the year after?
 
2012-07-21 11:27:16 AM

Giltric: Meh, why are we focused on how much money one guy paid or didn't pay in taxes when we have a guy who fabricated his own biography sitting in the white house?


The real issue here is that Mitt Romney wants to "talk about the issues", but his own history shows that he doesn't actually care about the issues, he'll just go with wherever the wind of the public opinion is going. He is demonstrably incapable of being honest when he "talks about the issues". So there's actually, literally no reason to talk about them. We know he doesn't mean a word that passes his lips, about "the issues".

Which turns the election into a contest of character. Well, everybody knows Obama's character, there's not really much to talk about. He's been proving it for the last four years and had a good scouring for the year and a half primary-to-election beforehand. So, let's talk about Mitt Romney's character, what does he have to offer?
 
2012-07-21 11:27:41 AM

cameroncrazy1984: netcentric: I don't care what Romney does with his own money....

I care a lot more about what Obama does with our money.

Busted talking point is busted. You didn't care what Bush did with our money, and you have no idea what Romney will do with our money.


Besides... last I knew it was congress that was holding the purse strings.
 
2012-07-21 11:39:26 AM

Bluster007: So just where are those Obama College grades? He is the smartest one yet? Right?

Or is that F in making jobs, just hurting Dems right now?


Excellent point. So I'll be voting for the Mitt, who shredded thousands of American jobs, instead.
 
2012-07-21 11:45:29 AM

Eatin' Queer Fetuses for Jesus: Look, no republicans want these tax returns released.


Heh.
 
2012-07-21 11:52:32 AM

Halli: Giltric: I guess Obama lives in "my" alternate reality? Thats why he acknowledges the fabrications in reprints with a disclaimer?

Ohh is that the Breitbartian bs about composite characters?

Link

CORRECTION: An earlier version of this blog post stated that Obama had acknowledged using composite characters in the reissue. In fact, Obama acknowledged the use of composite characters in the first edition of the book.


Fail.


So he ackowledged the fabrications in his first edition....OK...and your argument is?
 
2012-07-21 11:52:35 AM

Eatin' Queer Fetuses for Jesus: Look, no republicans want these tax returns released. Do you realize the tide that will turn when the American public, including all these trailer park conservatives, sees how the 1% like the Romneys essentially won what to the rest of us would be multiple Mega Millions jackpots in a single year, once we see what they paid in taxes the year before the Bush dividend tax cuts went into effect vs. the year after?


No tide will turn. They will still vote Romney because Jesus and Socialism.
 
2012-07-21 11:53:09 AM

Nina_Hartley's_Ass: Eatin' Queer Fetuses for Jesus: Look, no republicans want these tax returns released.

Heh.


I don't expect someone as dumb as Rick Perry to understand the full ramifications of the release.

/why yes, I did pick the dumbest person on the list, and that was disingenuous
 
2012-07-21 11:59:23 AM

Giltric: So he ackowledged the fabrications in his first edition....OK...and your argument is?


That your alternate reality is false and one composite character doesn't make Obama's book fabricated.
 
2012-07-21 12:00:46 PM

starsrift: Giltric: Meh, why are we focused on how much money one guy paid or didn't pay in taxes when we have a guy who fabricated his own biography sitting in the white house?

The real issue here is that Mitt Romney wants to "talk about the issues", but his own history shows that he doesn't actually care about the issues, he'll just go with wherever the wind of the public opinion is going. He is demonstrably incapable of being honest when he "talks about the issues". So there's actually, literally no reason to talk about them. We know he doesn't mean a word that passes his lips, about "the issues".

Which turns the election into a contest of character. Well, everybody knows Obama's character, there's not really much to talk about. He's been proving it for the last four years and had a good scouring for the year and a half primary-to-election beforehand. So, let's talk about Mitt Romney's character, what does he have to offer?


Romenys character?....well thats off limits......just like the chracter of a person who pals around with america hating preachers, bomb making socialists, card carrying communists, proponents of eugenics.

Theres "not much to talk about" in regards to Obama because they were all off limits when they came out.....it was purely because Obama was black that anyone questioned his character....remember those days?
 
2012-07-21 12:02:07 PM

coyo: Romney is an experiment to see if a horrible candidate can be elected with a sufficient, nearly unlimited amount of money, and of course some dirty tricks in the right places.


So, you voted Obama in 2008?
 
2012-07-21 12:08:48 PM

Eatin' Queer Fetuses for Jesus: Look, no republicans want these tax returns released. Do you realize the tide that will turn when the American public, including all these trailer park conservatives, sees how the 1% like the Romneys essentially won what to the rest of us would be multiple Mega Millions jackpots in a single year, once we see what they paid in taxes the year before the Bush dividend tax cuts went into effect vs. the year after?


The rank and file won't see that because they've bought into the rhetoric that the wealthy are the job creators, as opposed to consumer demand. Until basic economics is taught in school, this isn't going to change.
 
2012-07-21 12:14:36 PM

Giltric: Romenys character?....well thats off limits......just like the chracter of a person who pals around with america hating preachers, bomb making socialists, card carrying communists, proponents of eugenics.

Theres "not much to talk about" in regards to Obama because they were all off limits when they came out.....it was purely because Obama was black that anyone questioned his character....remember those days?


I seem to remember those being questioned pretty thoroughly. I mean, the Republican Campaign is already digging up that old stuff in another attempt to cast Obama's character in a negative light. But again, it's old news. We've talked about it, and Obama's mettle has been tested. I think he's a lot more unethical than a lot of people are comfortable with and thought he was, but either which way - how he's gonna jump when he gets that 3am phone call (I guess that's not a talking point any more?) is a known quantity.

Like I first said in this thread, the really interesting thing is how Romney would give 20 years of returns to McCain in 2008, and only 1 year to the public in 2012. Doesn't that make you wonder what's in there? Maybe that's worth talking about? If it's not worth talking about, why is he refusing to release them? How is Romney going to jump?
 
2012-07-21 12:18:54 PM

Giltric: card carrying communists


Like Marvin Olasky? He joined the Communist Party USA in 1972 and went on to become an advisor to George W Bush. Remember all the outrage from the right about him? Nope, me neither. Just that Van Jones guy. Which means this:

Giltric: it was purely because Obama was black that anyone questioned his character


Ain't exactly a stretch.
 
2012-07-21 12:33:11 PM

starsrift: Giltric: ....
Which turns the election into a contest of character. Well, everybody knows Obama's character, there's not really much to talk about. He's been proving it for the last four years and had a good scouring for the year and a half primary-to-election beforehand. So, let's talk about Mitt Romney's character, what does he have to offer?


Well his dog loves him - oh wait a minute.
 
2012-07-21 12:38:25 PM

sdd2000: Well his dog loves him - oh wait a minute.


i.imgur.com
 
2012-07-21 12:42:25 PM

Smackledorfer: Eatin' Queer Fetuses for Jesus: Look, no republicans want these tax returns released. Do you realize the tide that will turn when the American public, including all these trailer park conservatives, sees how the 1% like the Romneys essentially won what to the rest of us would be multiple Mega Millions jackpots in a single year, once we see what they paid in taxes the year before the Bush dividend tax cuts went into effect vs. the year after?

The rank and file won't see that because they've bought into the rhetoric that the wealthy are the job creators, as opposed to consumer demand. Until basic economics is taught in school, this isn't going to change.


My feeling is that Romney's tax returns are bad enough to wake those people up. And the longer he draws this out, the more common folk will pay attention when it happens.
 
2012-07-21 12:55:16 PM
Holy crap, the cons do not want people to discuss what may or may not be in Romeny's tax returns. At this point, it would be irresponsible not to speculate. I'm guessing they will show he used the fetal remains collected by Stericycle and used them in an age-retarded bath then deducted their cost as "medical expenses."

I'm just asking questions.

/sometimes it's fun to swim with the trolls
 
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