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2012-07-20 09:07:10 PM  

shruggingdowntheroad: quickdraw: shruggingdowntheroad: Today, ABC was

You do know that the media plays it for ratings right? Are you really naive enough to imagine they have some sort of loyalty to anything or anyone?

They will attack one "side" and then the other "side." This is how they bring a fairly tepid event to a fever pitch of empty speculation so they can justify their over-the-top graphics and sound cues which keep you hooked on the sensory level.

You are being duped into thinking ABC cares about anything at all other than keeping you watching.

Acyually, it seems to be an attempt to push for gun control, but I agree ratings are important too. I do think the media (most) is loyal to Obama and will do what they can to reelect him. There are limits of course. If they feel eyeballs are turning away and the story is particularly good, I can see an ugly turn on Obama. But, if your argument is that most media outlets aren't actively trying to protect Obama and see him reelected, you're deluded. This is not new. Fox would not be around if their wasn't a clear niche market to fill.


Insane and ignorant is a big niche
 
2012-07-20 09:07:54 PM  
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2012-07-20 09:10:28 PM  

Nem Wan: kapaso: He released them to McCain in 08.

This the most infuriating part to me. He gave McCain 23 years of tax returns. He didn't say, no, I don't want the job of Vice President enough for you to invade my privacy. Now he won't give the same consideration to the people who would decide if he should be President.

It comes off as saying the back room deal of choosing a running mate is legitimate but the election is not to him. That the players in power are to be respected and accommodated but the voters are not.


I really want Obama and/or Obama's camp to hammer this point home. He went above and beyond to get the second-in-command job 4 yrs ago, and something in those 23 years of tax returns (comprising partly, of the time when he was apparently "retired" from Bain") made him say, "You know what? Give me the broad."

That makes me wonder what McCain saw that his people didn't think made him in a worthy running mate.
 
2012-07-20 09:11:27 PM  
www.csmonitor.com
"You want to see ALL of the tax returns, or just the ones that show that I do not get tax benefits from drowning kittens in battery acid?"

a.abcnews.go.com
"We never said anything about kittens, or battery acid..."

www.csmonitor.com
"Er, right. Moving on, then."
 
2012-07-20 09:13:20 PM  

Sock Ruh Tease: "You want to see ALL of the tax returns, or just the ones that show that I do not get tax benefits from drowning kittens in battery acid?"


"We never said anything about kittens, or battery acid..."


"Er, right. Moving on, then."


It was feeding kittens to ATMs actually
 
2012-07-20 09:19:32 PM  

Coco LaFemme: Let's say everyone's wet dream comes true and Mitt's tax returns show he profited from illegal tax amnesty, and there are then calls for him to drop out of the race. Who would run? Gingrich? Santorum? Bachmann? Dubya trying for a 3rd term?


Santorum. He has the next most delegates anyways and is the nominee the republican electorate wanted before being drowned out in the tidal wave of Romney campaign cash.

That would be an interesting race of actual differing values at least. Romney panders to the right but this massachusetts republican is roughly equivalent to a texas democrat, the base should absolutely hate the guy but are being overpowered by the conservative mindset's tendency towards cheerleading for whoever is on their team regardless of how repugnant. These people wanted Santorum and would enthusiastically back him if he was handed the nomination.
 
2012-07-20 09:20:23 PM  
What exactly does the right wing think is in Obama's college Transcripts that they keep bringing them up?

Socialism 101
Where all the white women at seminar
World religions that are not Christianity
 
2012-07-20 09:22:03 PM  

Gyrfalcon: Snarcoleptic_Hoosier: Mister Romney needs to get some skin in the game. We as a society don't tolerate leeches.

He's not a leech, he's a Job Creator (tm). We hold them to different standards than the OTHER people who don't pay taxes, you see.


Normally, I would agree, but the good folks at Fox have told me that our Job Creators can't create jobs because they are taxed too much. If Mitt Romney paid zero income taxes, he was not taxed "too much". In fact, paying zero federal income taxes is the hallmark of leeches who need to stop sucking the government's teet.

So, paying zero taxes should produce infinite job growth, but, this particular rich man is leech because he doesn't have any skin in the game. My comment stands.

/I have the logic printed on this mobius strip if you're interested
 
2012-07-20 09:22:11 PM  

Seth_The_Wide: DarwiOdrade: The Stealth Hippopotamus: DarwiOdrade: I'll take False Equivalences for $1600, Alex.

No, it's the same thing. They are in powerful postions in our government. We should know. I would like to see if Nancy is a generous with her money as she is with mine.

And Romney should release his taxes. Like 5 years or so.

Therefore everyone in a powerful position in government should release their tax returns? Funny, the only tradition of releasing tax returns I know of is among presidential candidates, since the 70s.


None of them are legally required to. "IT'S TRADITION" is a pretty stupid argument.

I wasn't implying that Romney shouldn't disclose his tax returns. But Congress has direct control over how money is collected and spent. I'd like to see how they're making their own money when they're so quick to spend mine. If Boehner buys stock in XYZ Company right before he passes legislation giving them an edge against their competitors I'd like to know. I think others would too. Insider trading may be perfectly legal for members of Congress, but I think their constituents have a right to make up their own minds about it.


Presidential candidates should only provide the minimum information legally required, and anyone requesting more is a socialist. Because voters ask for the information is a pretty stupid reason.
 
2012-07-20 09:25:02 PM  

spongeboob: What exactly does the right wing think is in Obama's college Transcripts that they keep bringing them up?

Socialism 101
Where all the white women at seminar
World religions that are not Christianity


Rumor has it that he ran a "Risky Business" sort of ongoing concern. It was an Econ 101 project.
 
2012-07-20 09:29:43 PM  

Nem Wan: kapaso: He released them to McCain in 08.

This the most infuriating part to me. He gave McCain 23 years of tax returns. He didn't say, no, I don't want the job of Vice President enough for you to invade my privacy. Now he won't give the same consideration to the people who would decide if he should be President.

It comes off as saying the back room deal of choosing a running mate is legitimate but the election is not to him. That the players in power are to be respected and accommodated but the voters are not.


That was before the implementation of the '09 tax amnesty program. Which essentailly bolied down to this:
wvco.files.wordpress.com
Before the crack-down, he would have been ok, after that Romney likely had to own up to a bunch of overseas holdings and pay up. All very legal, but hardly something that benefits your political career.

While I think that the 'retroactive retirement' story related to Bain and the voting implications reg MA/UT residency might have some legs, I strongly believe that the real issue that Romney is trying to dodge is any overseas amnesty related relief sought by not just Mittens himself but also his wife being used as a surrogate.
 
2012-07-20 09:32:14 PM  
Since Romney wants to be in charge of the IRS, it's proper for the voters to see his prior years IRS returns.

If he won't show them, he doesn't deserve the GOP nomination.
 
2012-07-20 09:32:54 PM  
"You know I think it's fine to talk about those things in quiet rooms..."

www.washingtonpost.com
 
2012-07-20 09:36:57 PM  

djkutch: spongeboob: What exactly does the right wing think is in Obama's college Transcripts that they keep bringing them up?

Socialism 101
Where all the white women at seminar
World religions that are not Christianity

Rumor has it that he ran a "Risky Business" sort of ongoing concern. It was an Econ 101 project.


A democratic Pimp really?

t0.gstatic.com
 
2012-07-20 09:41:14 PM  

Nina_Hartley's_Ass: "You know I think it's fine to talk about those things in quiet rooms..."

[www.washingtonpost.com image 606x404]


His barber needs to trim those horse mane eyebrows. Dancing. Tax deduction.
 
2012-07-20 09:47:20 PM  
I know Romney's going for the Paulie Walnuts look with the white wings at the temples and all, but he'd piss his pants if he met the actor who played Paulie Walnuts, much less met someone who actually was a Mafia capo. Either dye your entire hair black, or just go white. It doesn't make you look more distinguished.
 
2012-07-20 09:55:45 PM  
www.caribbeangolf.com
www.lonelyplanet.com

/That is all.
 
2012-07-20 09:57:44 PM  

Coco LaFemme: I know Romney's going for the Paulie Walnuts look with the white wings at the temples and all, but he'd piss his pants if he met the actor who played Paulie Walnuts, much less met someone who actually was a Mafia capo. Either dye your entire hair black, or just go white. It doesn't make you look more distinguished.


I just assumed he was looking to look like Reed Richards, from the Fantastic Four? You know, the stretchy one that adjusts his shape to fit whatever position he's required to fill at any given moment?
 
2012-07-20 10:11:53 PM  
Honestly, what's the point? This election is a referendum on Obama.

No one voting for Romney is doing so because they like Romney, they simply hate Obama. And nothing in Romney's tax returns is going to make them hate Obama any less.

His returns could paint him as the most greedy, entitled 1%er who deliberately used his vast financial resources to completely game the IRS, and it isn't going to result in Romney gaining or losing any votes, so why bother?
 
2012-07-20 10:12:24 PM  
You know how much photoshop work it is going to take to get all those years of tax returns cleaned up and presentable to the public? I took how many years for Obama's crew to do just a one page long form birth certificate. And within days? hours? the inconsistencies in that one page started to surface. They have a big job on their hands!
 
2012-07-20 10:12:34 PM  
Let me join my Brither comrades in saying, "WHAR BIR... WHAR TAX RETURNS!"
 
2012-07-20 10:13:47 PM  
In his own way, Mittens is one of the most clueless people on Earth. I mean, Sarah Palin was clueless, but given enough time we saw her to be annoying, but powerless. Here is a guy who's supposed to be a "leader" campaigning to be leader of the free worldtm and he goes against one of the main things that every politician running for president does: release his tax records. Not only that, his OWN FATHER was the one who set the precedent.

For a country as "godfearing" as ours, for a religious guy to say FU to his father is pretty dumb.

They crucify people for less than that!
 
2012-07-20 10:13:57 PM  

spongeboob: djkutch: spongeboob: What exactly does the right wing think is in Obama's college Transcripts that they keep bringing them up?

Socialism 101
Where all the white women at seminar
World religions that are not Christianity

Rumor has it that he ran a "Risky Business" sort of ongoing concern. It was an Econ 101 project.

A democratic Pimp really?

[t0.gstatic.com image 225x225]


She's hot. I'll bet those kids did coke, in the spirit of the roles, and farked like rabbits.

They're Republicans.
 
2012-07-20 10:16:45 PM  

Funbags: Honestly, what's the point? This election is a referendum on Obama.

No one voting for Romney is doing so because they like Romney, they simply hate Obama. And nothing in Romney's tax returns is going to make them hate Obama any less.

His returns could paint him as the most greedy, entitled 1%er who deliberately used his vast financial resources to completely game the IRS, and it isn't going to result in Romney gaining or losing any votes, so why bother?


Thanks Eeyore!
 
2012-07-20 10:18:50 PM  

Funbags: Honestly, what's the point? This election is a referendum on Obama.

No one voting for Romney is doing so because they like Romney, they simply hate Obama. And nothing in Romney's tax returns is going to make them hate Obama any less.

His returns could paint him as the most greedy, entitled 1%er who deliberately used his vast financial resources to completely game the IRS, and it isn't going to result in Romney gaining or losing any votes, so why bother?


You do know there are independents don't you? There are people who haven't even started thinking about the election yet and you think this will have no effect.

Drunk already?
 
2012-07-20 10:24:20 PM  

djkutch: spongeboob: djkutch: spongeboob: What exactly does the right wing think is in Obama's college Transcripts that they keep bringing them up?

Socialism 101
Where all the white women at seminar
World religions that are not Christianity

Rumor has it that he ran a "Risky Business" sort of ongoing concern. It was an Econ 101 project.

A democratic Pimp really?

[t0.gstatic.com image 225x225]

She's hot. I'll bet those kids did coke, in the spirit of the roles, and farked like rabbits.

They're Republicans.


I don't think O'keefe does good with the ladies, with the rape boat and wasn't there something about a black girl in a barn here it is Link
 
2012-07-20 10:31:16 PM  

nmemkha: Let me join my Brither comrades in saying, "WHAR BIR... WHAR TAX RETURNS!"


There is absolutely no comparison between the Birther retards and the people who want Romney to do what every other Presidential candidate for the last 50 years has done. He gave McCain 23 yrs of back tax returns, he's given Obama just 1. Something in the milk ain't clean.
 
2012-07-20 10:31:31 PM  
I really didn't care.

Riiight up until they started hiding...

/So yeah, smart move, geniuses.
 
2012-07-20 10:44:41 PM  

PsiChick: I really didn't care.

Riiight up until they started hiding...

/So yeah, smart move, geniuses.


Oddly enough THIS ^

/Reasonable Republican over here.
 
2012-07-20 10:51:13 PM  

MyRandomName: So partisans looking to attack him. Got it.


So you have nothing to contribute but hypocritical partisan drivel? You should make better use of the 15 minutes mommy lets you use the computer.
 
2012-07-20 10:57:43 PM  
Not a fan of Romney by any stretch, but what will his tax returns show that nobody already knows? That he's filthy rich?
 
2012-07-20 11:06:10 PM  
54% of Americans are communists?
 
2012-07-20 11:09:09 PM  

Funbags: This election is a referendum on Obama.


Elections are never just referendums on the incumbent (they may be referendums in some percentage, but they are not simply that - and it differs from voter to voter). The vote is not simply "Do we keep Obama?". It is "Do we keep Obama OR replace him with This Specific Person?" You cannot just simply say "It doesn't matter" because the replacement matters. To wit, there are entire rafts of Republican pols who would make credible replacements to Obama. They - for various reasons - didn't even try this year. Instead the Whackadoodle Circus came to town; and spat out Mitt Louis XVI. There is such a thing as accepting some version of Kinda Don't Want because the alternative is Please God NO.
 
2012-07-20 11:10:03 PM  
FTFA: Most Americans surveyed - 54 percent -

When did a slight majority become most?
 
2012-07-20 11:15:15 PM  
OK, he's rich. We get it. Big deal. There's rich people in office all over the country. There's plenty more shiat to worry about instead of that.
 
2012-07-20 11:17:06 PM  

GoldSpider: Not a fan of Romney by any stretch, but what will his tax returns show that nobody already knows? That he's filthy rich?


Sort of confused as to why you think that's a reason to hide them rather than show them, especially given that his father provided the standard by which all presidential candidates in the past 40 years have followed. Yes, even Obama has released 12 years of his returns.
 
2012-07-20 11:17:31 PM  

SoundOfOneHandWanking: FTFA: Most Americans surveyed - 54 percent -

When did a slight majority become most?


LOLWUT?!?
 
2012-07-20 11:17:55 PM  

GoldSpider: Not a fan of Romney by any stretch, but what will his tax returns show that nobody already knows? That he's filthy rich?


How can you speculate on what secrets someone is keeping? If the tax returns were totally unremarkable it seems like Romney would be smart enough to release them. He either is hiding something or is so bad at politics he would rather take this hit then show his legit returns. Either way it is a black eye to his claim that he would be a good president.
 
2012-07-20 11:19:03 PM  

SoundOfOneHandWanking: FTFA: Most Americans surveyed - 54 percent -

When did a slight majority become most?


Did I see what you did there, or are you an idiot?
 
2012-07-20 11:23:07 PM  

cameroncrazy1984: Sort of confused as to why you think that's a reason to hide them rather than show them


I don't think that, and I am puzzled by how you concluded that from my post.
 
2012-07-20 11:24:33 PM  

SoundOfOneHandWanking: FTFA: Most Americans surveyed - 54 percent -

When did a slight majority become most?


When it's 54% to 37% that's when...
 
2012-07-20 11:25:04 PM  
In other news, 46% of Americans are blissfully happy in their ignorance. Anything that will get that black muslim out of office is AOK by me! Praise Jesus!
 
2012-07-20 11:30:37 PM  

WhoIsNotInMyKitchen: In other news, 46% of Americans are blissfully happy in their ignorance. Anything that will get that black muslim out of office is AOK by me! Praise Jesus!


Same percentage that voted for McCain/Palin, so...

Yes.
 
2012-07-20 11:31:49 PM  

GoldSpider: Not a fan of Romney by any stretch, but what will his tax returns show that nobody already knows? That he's filthy rich?


Umm, most candidates since 68 have been rich - they still released their tax returns. So, why is Romney so different? It is literally a no-brainer. You release your tax returns: everyone glances over them, your opponents take a few lame cheap shots, and everyone moves on. It is a rite of passage, just like deep-throating corndogs.

Instead, Mitt has balked. This whole thing was meant to be a ranging shot by the Obama campaign. No one cares in July, so any decent campaign chunks a lame attack downfield to see what the opponent does. It gives you some idea of how they respond to attacks, how fast, in what venues, etc. Then you can plan for the real attacks once the election season really starts. I will guarantee you the Obama campaign felt he would finally release some tax returns, they would make a few desultory bon mots, and then walk away with the much more important tactics snapshot. Life would go on, and thinks would coast until Labor Day. Instead the Romney campaign flails around like a tasered Special Olympian. Mitt then declares he is running for First Lady in 2004. The Obama campaign in probably still sitting there with its collective jaw on the floor, wondering how someone can have been running continuously for President since ~2006 and still make preschool class presidential candidates look professional. Team Romney have totally flipped out about piddling shiat - and have looked like complete amateurs while doing it. And then Anne went all Marie Antoinette. Romney hasn't just shot himself in the foot; he's unloaded the entire clip into it and is screaming for someone to pass him more ammo. Obama doesn't give a rat's ass about the tax returns themselves, but you would be 50 shades of farking retarded to not keep poking him, when he keep getting more derptastic, and providing you with tons of material for the actual campaign.

I will bet you dollars to donuts Obama has an ad already in the can for when Romney does finally release what will be perfectly legal tax returns. It is simply Obama looking directly into the camera saying "See, Mitt, it wasn't that hard, was it? Glad to see you make your Daddy proud!" The meltdown from Romney off that will probably make the Dean Scream seem positively autistic.
 
2012-07-20 11:40:10 PM  
"ohboyisthisgreat.jpg"
 
2012-07-20 11:41:04 PM  

GoldSpider: Not a fan of Romney by any stretch, but what will his tax returns show that nobody already knows? That he's filthy rich?


During Romney's tenure as a Marriott director, the company repeatedly utilized complex tax-avoidance maneuvers, prompting at least two tangles with the Internal Revenue Service, records show. In 1994, while he headed the audit committee, Marriott used a tax shelter known to attorneys by its nickname: "Son of BOSS."

A federal appeals court invalidated the maneuver in a 2009 ruling, siding with the U.S. Department of Justice, which called Marriott's transaction and attempted tax benefits "fictitious," "artificial," "spectral," an "illusion" and a "scheme."

Who knows what's in there? Mitt does. And he sure doesn't want us to.
 
2012-07-20 11:47:19 PM  

SoundOfOneHandWanking: FTFA: Most Americans surveyed - 54 percent -

When did a slight majority become most?


Sometime between the 5th and 12th centuries when the word first started being used in the Old English language?
 
2012-07-20 11:50:43 PM  

SoundOfOneHandWanking: FTFA: Most Americans surveyed - 54 percent -

When did a slight majority become most?


2 November 2004
 
2012-07-20 11:54:12 PM  
It's unlikely there's anything in those tax returns that's criminal. The best we'll probably get is proof that the legal tax loopholes are a lot more beneficial than the poor, over-regulated 1% will ever admit.

He still won't have my vote. My inlaws will still think he's better than Obama (who is the product of a gang rape involving satan, hitler, pennywise the clown and Nancy Pelosi).

It's just another reason to wonder what the hell kind of wizard of oz is running things on this effing retarded campaign. Whoever it is, he's either lucky as hell or taking advantage of the fact that the GOP electorate has spent the last several decades becoming so incredibly effing stupid.
 
2012-07-20 11:55:15 PM  

King Something: SoundOfOneHandWanking: FTFA: Most Americans surveyed - 54 percent -

When did a slight majority become most?

2 November 2004


You win the thread
 
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