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2012-07-20 07:29:09 PM  

Coco LaFemme: Let's say everyone's wet dream comes true and Mitt's tax returns show he profited from illegal tax amnesty, and there are then calls for him to drop out of the race. Who would run? Gingrich? Santorum? Bachmann? Dubya trying for a 3rd term?


www.nndb.com

/ohpleaseohpleaseohpleaseohplease
 
2012-07-20 07:30:52 PM  

GleeUnit: Coco LaFemme: Let's say everyone's wet dream comes true and Mitt's tax returns show he profited from illegal tax amnesty, and there are then calls for him to drop out of the race. Who would run? Gingrich? Santorum? Bachmann? Dubya trying for a 3rd term?

[www.nndb.com image 198x295]

/ohpleaseohpleaseohpleaseohplease


Well, her dirty laundry is already out there. Most of it.
 
2012-07-20 07:44:26 PM  
I suggest a trade. One year's return, Romney's choice for Obama's college transcripts. One year's return, Obama's choice for the fast and furious documents. Sounds like a win for Obama. We know there's nothing damaging in the F&F documents.

In seriousness, Romney should hold off. Since the media minus Fox news is part of the Obama campaign team, my guess is, It's a trap. Doesn't matter what's in it they will find something to harp about, perhaps a horse he wrote off, or his losses from 2008, or an investment he ended that resulted in some business closing.
 
2012-07-20 07:46:48 PM  

Dogberry: Coco LaFemme: Let's say everyone's wet dream comes true and Mitt's tax returns show he profited from illegal tax amnesty, and there are then calls for him to drop out of the race. Who would run? Gingrich? Santorum? Bachmann? Dubya trying for a 3rd term?

Gary Johnson?


That would be awesome!

4.bp.blogspot.com

Obama/Johnson debates would be infinity times better than Obama/Mittens.
 
2012-07-20 07:48:58 PM  

shruggingdowntheroad: I suggest a trade. One year's return, Romney's choice for Obama's college transcripts. One year's return, Obama's choice for the fast and furious documents. Sounds like a win for Obama. We know there's nothing damaging in the F&F documents.


So, what should Obama get for the 11 years of tax returns he's already released?
 
2012-07-20 07:49:14 PM  

Ayn Rand's Social Worker: Dogberry: Coco LaFemme: Let's say everyone's wet dream comes true and Mitt's tax returns show he profited from illegal tax amnesty, and there are then calls for him to drop out of the race. Who would run? Gingrich? Santorum? Bachmann? Dubya trying for a 3rd term?

Gary Johnson?

That would be awesome!

[4.bp.blogspot.com image 320x320]

Obama/Johnson debates would be infinity times better than Obama/Mittens.


I'm a generally pro-Obama guy, but I'd love to see Johnson. A fresh face, change of pace, new ideas, and legitimate, well-thought out debate would be amazing.
 
2012-07-20 07:50:58 PM  

shruggingdowntheroad: I suggest a trade. One year's return, Romney's choice for Obama's college transcripts. One year's return, Obama's choice for the fast and furious documents. Sounds like a win for Obama. We know there's nothing damaging in the F&F documents.

In seriousness, Romney should hold off. Since the media minus Fox news is part of the Obama campaign team, my guess is, It's a trap. Doesn't matter what's in it they will find something to harp about, perhaps a horse he wrote off, or his losses from 2008, or an investment he ended that resulted in some business closing.


So there is something in the tax returns is what you're saying? Because what normally happens when a presidential candidate releases their tax info is that the press looks at it... says, "Yup, taxes man"... and that's it. If Mitt had released his like that, and they were clean, nothing would have happened because you know what? Tax forms ain't sexy.

However, now, even the public is interested in what's in those forms. Hell, some of his fellow Republican colleagues are interested. He's taken what should have been a non-story and turned it into that trunk in the basement your dad won't let you open and won't talk about. You think the profit-driven news industry isn't interested in milking THAT story?

I would also argue that his tax returns (which candidates traditionally release to the press) are more germane then Obama's college grades. The could speak to what exactly Willard was doing a) during his non-active ownership/CEO phase at Bain and b) whether or not he's a big fan of secret banking. Both of those issues are extremely important where the economy is perhaps the number 1 issue.
 
2012-07-20 07:52:24 PM  

shruggingdowntheroad: I suggest a trade. One year's return, Romney's choice for Obama's college transcripts. One year's return, Obama's choice for the fast and furious documents. Sounds like a win for Obama. We know there's nothing damaging in the F&F documents.

In seriousness, Romney should hold off. Since the media minus Fox news is part of the Obama campaign team, my guess is, It's a trap. Doesn't matter what's in it they will find something to harp about, perhaps a horse he wrote off, or his losses from 2008, or an investment he ended that resulted in some business closing.


Seriously? Someone who still buys the 'Liberal media' bullshiat story?

The media loves a good scandal; R or D, they're good for ratings. And that is all most media gives a shiat about; ratings.

Fox has just found it more profitable to be the RNC Propaganda Network, and invent their OWN damn scandals.
 
2012-07-20 07:53:10 PM  

HeartBurnKid: So, what should Obama get for the 11 years of tax returns he's already released?


A 3nd round pick and a solid 2nd line forward.

Oh... and the ability to harp on this issue for weeks if not month and set the tone of the public's perception of pandora's candidate.
 
2012-07-20 07:57:10 PM  

Mercutio74: shruggingdowntheroad: I suggest a trade. One year's return, Romney's choice for Obama's college transcripts. One year's return, Obama's choice for the fast and furious documents. Sounds like a win for Obama. We know there's nothing damaging in the F&F documents.

In seriousness, Romney should hold off. Since the media minus Fox news is part of the Obama campaign team, my guess is, It's a trap. Doesn't matter what's in it they will find something to harp about, perhaps a horse he wrote off, or his losses from 2008, or an investment he ended that resulted in some business closing.

So there is something in the tax returns is what you're saying? Because what normally happens when a presidential candidate releases their tax info is that the press looks at it... says, "Yup, taxes man"... and that's it. If Mitt had released his like that, and they were clean, nothing would have happened because you know what? Tax forms ain't sexy.

However, now, even the public is interested in what's in those forms. Hell, some of his fellow Republican colleagues are interested. He's taken what should have been a non-story and turned it into that trunk in the basement your dad won't let you open and won't talk about. You think the profit-driven news industry isn't interested in milking THAT story?

I would also argue that his tax returns (which candidates traditionally release to the press) are more germane then Obama's college grades. The could speak to what exactly Willard was doing a) during his non-active ownership/CEO phase at Bain and b) whether or not he's a big fan of secret banking. Both of those issues are extremely important where the economy is perhaps the number 1 issue.


Now I want to know what's in your dad's trunk. Is it the corpse of the girl Rmoney raped and murdered in 1990?
 
2012-07-20 08:01:26 PM  

LasersHurt: Ayn Rand's Social Worker: Dogberry: Coco LaFemme: Let's say everyone's wet dream comes true and Mitt's tax returns show he profited from illegal tax amnesty, and there are then calls for him to drop out of the race. Who would run? Gingrich? Santorum? Bachmann? Dubya trying for a 3rd term?

Gary Johnson?

That would be awesome!

[4.bp.blogspot.com image 320x320]

Obama/Johnson debates would be infinity times better than Obama/Mittens.

I'm a generally pro-Obama guy, but I'd love to see Johnson. A fresh face, change of pace, new ideas, and legitimate, well-thought out debate would be amazing.


Is he really that fresh or new? He was a Republican until recently.
 
2012-07-20 08:01:49 PM  

LasersHurt: Snowflake Tubbybottom: Whoopdee damn doo like it makes a damned bit of difference. Did we not know the guy was already rich? Should I be outraged he might even be more rich than I first thought?

How will this begin to change anyone's mind? Haters gonna hate and Rmoney voters gonna vote Rmoney. You aren't entitled to the info, nor is anyione entitled to see Obama's grades.

/continue class warfare

It has nothing to do with him being rich. His whole campaign is built on his business savvy/history, and the idea that the rich need more breaks in order to provide jobs. What his returns might show is the immense, untold advantages the wealthy have, up to and including paying very little in taxes. It might also reveal how much he profited from his dealings with Bain, during a time when they killed American jobs by the thousands.

It would totally undermine his entire campaign - with reality. It would show him to be the very archetype of the wealthy man profiting off the loss of other, hiding money, and avoiding his fair tax burden, all the while whining about how high his taxes are.

It's not that he's rich, it's that he's an amoral profiteer.


No more than any other rich person following the laws. But maybe we should hold the people who actually write the laws be more accountable to "we the people". What ever he did or did not do is allowed by corruptible politicians who are only looking out for their own best interests. I don't hate the players so much as I hate the game. Voting out the current crop doesn't guarantee any real change. So long as both sides of the voters are more interested this kind of useless rhetoric no real change can happen.

/libertarian rant off
 
2012-07-20 08:03:22 PM  

Snowflake Tubbybottom: LasersHurt: Snowflake Tubbybottom: Whoopdee damn doo like it makes a damned bit of difference. Did we not know the guy was already rich? Should I be outraged he might even be more rich than I first thought?

How will this begin to change anyone's mind? Haters gonna hate and Rmoney voters gonna vote Rmoney. You aren't entitled to the info, nor is anyione entitled to see Obama's grades.

/continue class warfare

It has nothing to do with him being rich. His whole campaign is built on his business savvy/history, and the idea that the rich need more breaks in order to provide jobs. What his returns might show is the immense, untold advantages the wealthy have, up to and including paying very little in taxes. It might also reveal how much he profited from his dealings with Bain, during a time when they killed American jobs by the thousands.

It would totally undermine his entire campaign - with reality. It would show him to be the very archetype of the wealthy man profiting off the loss of other, hiding money, and avoiding his fair tax burden, all the while whining about how high his taxes are.

It's not that he's rich, it's that he's an amoral profiteer.

No more than any other rich person following the laws. But maybe we should hold the people who actually write the laws be more accountable to "we the people". What ever he did or did not do is allowed by corruptible politicians who are only looking out for their own best interests. I don't hate the players so much as I hate the game. Voting out the current crop doesn't guarantee any real change. So long as both sides of the voters are more interested this kind of useless rhetoric no real change can happen.

/libertarian rant off


I completely agree. What can we do about it?
 
2012-07-20 08:05:21 PM  

sugardave: Now I want to know what's in your dad's trunk. Is it the corpse of the girl Rmoney raped and murdered in 1990?


Meh, it turns out that it was just another trunk that he lost the key to in 1976.

/Inside that trunk, however was --
 
2012-07-20 08:06:13 PM  

HeartBurnKid: shruggingdowntheroad: I suggest a trade. One year's return, Romney's choice for Obama's college transcripts. One year's return, Obama's choice for the fast and furious documents. Sounds like a win for Obama. We know there's nothing damaging in the F&F documents.

So, what should Obama get for the 11 years of tax returns he's already released?


A pat on the head. Romny is not required to release anything. As I said with the media shilling for team Obama, I just don't see an upside.
 
2012-07-20 08:07:00 PM  

Ayn Rand's Social Worker: As an *actual* independent, I can say that I think all politicians should reveal their tax returns. The fact that any scumbag can financially benefit from insider trading without legal ramifications sickens me, and at the very least they should be open to public review so we can check if the dealings are ethical.

As for presidential candidates and Mr. Romney, this is completely germane and the sooner he reveals this stuff, the better off he is. This whole campaign has been downright tragicomic, and I'm as disappointed in the GOP for choosing such a lackluster candidate completely inappropriate for the issues of the day as I was in the Democrats for tapping Kerry in '04.

At least in 08 both candidates were genuinely decent people with a modicum of dedication to transparency. McCain may have gone off the rails since 00, and Obama may have abandoned many of his promises to more open government, but both seem like Mr. Smith compared to Romney. The only reason this is even close is that the media seem determined to make Romney out to be a contender so it can be a horse race. If they were truly balanced, Obama would be polling around 65%...

/only party I've ever been registered was GOP from 99-03
//Pleaseopleaseoplease let this be the year the neocons, teahadists, and bible thumpers get so hammered that the republican party crumbles and re-emerges as the party of Teddy Roosevelt and Eisenhower, not this farce of an opposition party that its become


they'll probably quadruple down, which is like a double down but covered in gravy and cheese...
 
2012-07-20 08:07:37 PM  
the gop likes to make issues out of shiat that shouldn't matter just release the farking tax returns or concede to RONPAUL
 
2012-07-20 08:09:28 PM  

Mercutio74: shruggingdowntheroad: I suggest a trade. One year's return, Romney's choice for Obama's college transcripts. One year's return, Obama's choice for the fast and furious documents. Sounds like a win for Obama. We know there's nothing damaging in the F&F documents.

In seriousness, Romney should hold off. Since the media minus Fox news is part of the Obama campaign team, my guess is, It's a trap. Doesn't matter what's in it they will find something to harp about, perhaps a horse he wrote off, or his losses from 2008, or an investment he ended that resulted in some business closing.

So there is something in the tax returns is what you're saying? Because what normally happens when a presidential candidate releases their tax info is that the press looks at it... says, "Yup, taxes man"... and that's it. If Mitt had released his like that, and they were clean, nothing would have happened because you know what? Tax forms ain't sexy.

However, now, even the public is interested in what's in those forms. Hell, some of his fellow Republican colleagues are interested. He's taken what should have been a non-story and turned it into that trunk in the basement your dad won't let you open and won't talk about. You think the profit-driven news industry isn't interested in milking THAT story?

I would also argue that his tax returns (which candidates traditionally release to the press) are more germane then Obama's college grades. The could speak to what exactly Willard was doing a) during his non-active ownership/CEO phase at Bain and b) whether or not he's a big fan of secret banking. Both of those issues are extremely important where the economy is perhaps the number 1 issue.


You are right that this will be played in the press to benefit Obama, but since a perfectly legal deduction for his horse has been made hay of and others are will to spin whatever they can find, I don't see a real benefit. (Repub pundits seem to disagree, so you may be right, but I say Fark em.)
 
2012-07-20 08:12:11 PM  
1. He should release at least 5 years of returns
2. So should everyone in the Senate and House
3. Congress critters should not be allowed to stocks or bonds of companies over which they have legislative power, while they are in office.
4. lobbyists should not be allowed to donate more than a certain

There is no way we are going to get rid of the crony capitalism and conflicts of interest until we make it very very difficult for people in our government to benefit from gentleman's agreements or what have you.

See "Pharmaceutical Industry: sales reps, doctors, FDA" for how to clamp down on the problem.
1. compare 1998 to 2010 (yes it has been cleaned up)
2. make the following mental substitutions
- Sales Rep -> lobbyist
- Congress critter -> key opinion leader aka medical expert
- Giant corporation -> giant corporation
- Medical journals -> ratings agencies, stock analysts, etc
- inept government regulating agency > inept government regulating agents, except that the FDA actually fines companies enough to hurt their bottom line if they misbehave, unlike the SEC.
 
2012-07-20 08:12:21 PM  

Seth_The_Wide: DarwiOdrade: The Stealth Hippopotamus: DarwiOdrade: I'll take False Equivalences for $1600, Alex.

No, it's the same thing. They are in powerful postions in our government. We should know. I would like to see if Nancy is a generous with her money as she is with mine.

And Romney should release his taxes. Like 5 years or so.

Therefore everyone in a powerful position in government should release their tax returns? Funny, the only tradition of releasing tax returns I know of is among presidential candidates, since the 70s.


None of them are legally required to. "IT'S TRADITION" is a pretty stupid argument.

I wasn't implying that Romney shouldn't disclose his tax returns. But Congress has direct control over how money is collected and spent. I'd like to see how they're making their own money when they're so quick to spend mine. If Boehner buys stock in XYZ Company right before he passes legislation giving them an edge against their competitors I'd like to know. I think others would too. Insider trading may be perfectly legal for members of Congress, but I think their constituents have a right to make up their own minds about it.


Personally I'd like to see congresscritters' tax forms, too, but whether you like the tradition argument or not, asking Rmoney for his tax forms is not the same as asking Pelosi & Boehner for theirs.
 
2012-07-20 08:15:36 PM  

shruggingdowntheroad: A pat on the head. Romny is not required to release anything. As I said with the media shilling for team Obama, I just don't see an upside.


Honestly, the Dems would probably love it if he does stretch it out as long as he can. The laundry list of things that MIGHT be in his tax history is probably a lot more damning than what's actually in there.
 
2012-07-20 08:16:07 PM  
The browser ate my verbs. Sorry.
 
2012-07-20 08:16:23 PM  

shruggingdowntheroad: A pat on the head. Romny is not required to release anything.


I love this talking point. So now the best they can say for their guy, the one that had foreign bank accounts and stashed money in offshore accounts, is well he's not required to release anything. And this is the guy they want for POTUS.
 
2012-07-20 08:16:31 PM  

LordJiro: shruggingdowntheroad: I suggest a trade. One year's return, Romney's choice for Obama's college transcripts. One year's return, Obama's choice for the fast and furious documents. Sounds like a win for Obama. We know there's nothing damaging in the F&F documents.

In seriousness, Romney should hold off. Since the media minus Fox news is part of the Obama campaign team, my guess is, It's a trap. Doesn't matter what's in it they will find something to harp about, perhaps a horse he wrote off, or his losses from 2008, or an investment he ended that resulted in some business closing.

Seriously? Someone who still buys the 'Liberal media' bullshiat story?

The media loves a good scandal; R or D, they're good for ratings. And that is all most media gives a shiat about; ratings.

Fox has just found it more profitable to be the RNC Propaganda Network, and invent their OWN damn scandals.


Today, ABC was smearing the Tea Party on the morning shows. How much play has Obama's Roanoke speech gotten outside of Fox (who have their own bias)? Fast & Furious had how much coverage outside of Fox? On MSNBC today, they spent 10 minutes explaining that Obama's comment on today's shootings was very empathetic and that the crowd reaction (hooting and hollering) was something that can't and shouldn't be blamed on Obama.

It's election season, I'm getting that thrill up my leg again.
 
2012-07-20 08:19:31 PM  
go.bloomberg.com
I SEE DERP PEOPLE


/if this is what comes out to protest, Romney should just sit it out
 
2012-07-20 08:20:14 PM  

Mercutio74: shruggingdowntheroad: A pat on the head. Romny is not required to release anything. As I said with the media shilling for team Obama, I just don't see an upside.

Honestly, the Dems would probably love it if he does stretch it out as long as he can. The laundry list of things that MIGHT be in his tax history is probably a lot more damning than what's actually in there.


I think this is what Republican pundits fear and why they think he should comply. My opinion is probably wrong; I'm not a political consultant.
 
2012-07-20 08:22:00 PM  

shruggingdowntheroad: HeartBurnKid: shruggingdowntheroad: I suggest a trade. One year's return, Romney's choice for Obama's college transcripts. One year's return, Obama's choice for the fast and furious documents. Sounds like a win for Obama. We know there's nothing damaging in the F&F documents.

So, what should Obama get for the 11 years of tax returns he's already released?

A pat on the head. Romny is not required to release anything. As I said with the media shilling for team Obama, I just don't see an upside.


No, he's under no legal obligation to do anything. Yes, it is suspicious that he won't release them in spite of 40 years of precedent and repeated calls by politicians of both parties to do so.

Do you see an upside to the current strategy of not releasing them?
 
2012-07-20 08:26:52 PM  

shruggingdowntheroad: I think this is what Republican pundits fear and why they think he should comply. My opinion is probably wrong; I'm not a political consultant.


I think the real question is going to be how long this lasts. Romney's losing sources of strength letting this fester. He can't run as a successful governor... mostly because his most successful act as governor is precisely basically Obamacare on a state level. And now it's getting harder to run as a successful businessman because he doesn't want to add life to the tax return issue by having to talk about it.

So what's left? He can't run as an "everyman" because he's blue blooded even among his fellow congressmen. He can't run as the charismatic guy like Bush did because well... he's not charismatic. At all. He can't run as a decisive leader because he's been on both sides of most major issues in the past. He can't run on issues because he doesn't want to offer a vision for his platform.

He's kind penned in right now, and since he can't make moves, the Obama campaign gets to tell us what Mitt Romney's all about because Mitt can't do it himself. It's a very bad situation. The only upside is that the American people have a short memory and most are low information voters. And that's not much, because once Obama reminds them how well he can deliver a speech, Willard's in big trouble.
 
2012-07-20 08:28:35 PM  
i.imgur.com
What's in the taxes!
 
2012-07-20 08:30:21 PM  
i bet the Tea Party will start protesting any day now, I mean look what they did to Fartbaba when he didn't release his birth certrificate...

wher
tax returds
whar !
 
2012-07-20 08:31:14 PM  

shruggingdowntheroad: Today, ABC was


You do know that the media plays it for ratings right? Are you really naive enough to imagine they have some sort of loyalty to anything or anyone?

They will attack one "side" and then the other "side." This is how they bring a fairly tepid event to a fever pitch of empty speculation so they can justify their over-the-top graphics and sound cues which keep you hooked on the sensory level.

You are being duped into thinking ABC cares about anything at all other than keeping you watching.
 
2012-07-20 08:32:54 PM  

quickdraw: This is how they bring a fairly tepid event


No, a man walking into a movie theater and killing 14 people is most definitely not a "fairly tepid event". The fact that you consider it so is very unsettling.
 
2012-07-20 08:35:38 PM  

qorkfiend: shruggingdowntheroad: HeartBurnKid: shruggingdowntheroad: I suggest a trade. One year's return, Romney's choice for Obama's college transcripts. One year's return, Obama's choice for the fast and furious documents. Sounds like a win for Obama. We know there's nothing damaging in the F&F documents.

So, what should Obama get for the 11 years of tax returns he's already released?

A pat on the head. Romny is not required to release anything. As I said with the media shilling for team Obama, I just don't see an upside.

No, he's under no legal obligation to do anything. Yes, it is suspicious that he won't release them in spite of 40 years of precedent and repeated calls by politicians of both parties to do so.

Do you see an upside to the current strategy of not releasing them?


I'm not sure. I see it as a lose/lose. I have already backtracked a bit on the politics aspect. Obviously I don't know what is in them, but I know, and I'm sure Romney knows, that he won't be treated fairly. I assume there is no illegal activity (i'm sure Obama has already had the IRS check for that), but the call for them is just an attempt to give the DNC more ammo.

I'm sure you would never use his tax deducted horse to make hay, or his investment tax rate, or his wealth that has been stored in multiple banks for safety, but I'm not sure I trust the rest of the media. He should maybe release them to Fark; I'm sure that he would get a completely fair vetting here.
 
2012-07-20 08:38:21 PM  

Seth_The_Wide: I'd rather see Pelosi and Boehner's.


We all know how much you'd enjoy looking at Boehner's.
 
2012-07-20 08:38:32 PM  
I just can't believe how damn unreasonable the right is, this is something that has been asked and received by ALL presidential candidates for the last 50 years!

You're running for the most public office on the land and you have the balls to say it's "none of your people's business?"

I can't believe how goddamn stupid Americans are.
 
2012-07-20 08:41:10 PM  

Mercutio74: shruggingdowntheroad: I think this is what Republican pundits fear and why they think he should comply. My opinion is probably wrong; I'm not a political consultant.

I think the real question is going to be how long this lasts. Romney's losing sources of strength letting this fester. He can't run as a successful governor... mostly because his most successful act as governor is precisely basically Obamacare on a state level. And now it's getting harder to run as a successful businessman because he doesn't want to add life to the tax return issue by having to talk about it.

So what's left? He can't run as an "everyman" because he's blue blooded even among his fellow congressmen. He can't run as the charismatic guy like Bush did because well... he's not charismatic. At all. He can't run as a decisive leader because he's been on both sides of most major issues in the past. He can't run on issues because he doesn't want to offer a vision for his platform.

He's kind penned in right now, and since he can't make moves, the Obama campaign gets to tell us what Mitt Romney's all about because Mitt can't do it himself. It's a very bad situation. The only upside is that the American people have a short memory and most are low information voters. And that's not much, because once Obama reminds them how well he can deliver a speech, Willard's in big trouble.


You may be absolutely correct. I don't particularly care for Romney and won't ne voting for him (I won't vote for Obama either, though). I think I would run on running down the worst president since Jimmy Carter, but again I'm not a political consultant, and that may not be enough if you don't have something to offer yourself as a candidate.
 
2012-07-20 08:43:05 PM  

Snarcoleptic_Hoosier: Mister Romney needs to get some skin in the game. We as a society don't tolerate leeches.


He's not a leech, he's a Job Creator (tm). We hold them to different standards than the OTHER people who don't pay taxes, you see.
 
2012-07-20 08:43:28 PM  

Cletus C.: Are you saying the president ordered IRS officials to provide him copies of Romney's tax returns?


No, his goons broke into the opposing party's campaign offices at a hotel and stole copies of the tax returns.

When you're the president, that's not illegal.
 
2012-07-20 08:43:42 PM  

shruggingdowntheroad: I assume there is no illegal activity (i'm sure Obama has already had the IRS check for that), but the call for them is just an attempt to give the DNC more ammo.


Who the hell discloses illegal info in their tax returns when they're that rich and can afford accountants? Also, does the IRS usually do "favours" for presidents? And of course it'd be ammo for the DNC. What if Romney managed to pay no income tax one year? What if he took up the gov'ts offer of swiss banking amnesty? What if he WAS active with Bain when he wasn't? None of those things are illegal, but each would be damning.
 
2012-07-20 08:44:29 PM  

AirForceVet: vernonFL: Seth_The_Wide: I'd rather see Pelosi and Boehner's.

When they run for President, you can.

I'm game for all politicians running for office to show their income tax returns. If they can have the power to raise, lower, keep taxs stable, we ought to know.

/Especially if they give tax breaks for corporations, football luxury boxes, etc.


^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
 
2012-07-20 08:47:07 PM  

quickdraw: shruggingdowntheroad: Today, ABC was

You do know that the media plays it for ratings right? Are you really naive enough to imagine they have some sort of loyalty to anything or anyone?

They will attack one "side" and then the other "side." This is how they bring a fairly tepid event to a fever pitch of empty speculation so they can justify their over-the-top graphics and sound cues which keep you hooked on the sensory level.

You are being duped into thinking ABC cares about anything at all other than keeping you watching.


Acyually, it seems to be an attempt to push for gun control, but I agree ratings are important too. I do think the media (most) is loyal to Obama and will do what they can to reelect him. There are limits of course. If they feel eyeballs are turning away and the story is particularly good, I can see an ugly turn on Obama. But, if your argument is that most media outlets aren't actively trying to protect Obama and see him reelected, you're deluded. This is not new. Fox would not be around if their wasn't a clear niche market to fill.
 
2012-07-20 08:47:17 PM  

Aldon: I want to see if Willard Mitt Romney returned any salary he got from Bain when he was 'retroactively' retired.


^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
 
2012-07-20 08:48:44 PM  
media.salon.com
"We've Given All You People Need to Know"
 
2012-07-20 08:48:52 PM  

Dinki: shruggingdowntheroad: A pat on the head. Romny is not required to release anything.

I love this talking point. So now the best they can say for their guy, the one that had foreign bank accounts and stashed money in offshore accounts, is well he's not required to release anything. And this is the guy they want for POTUS.


the new talking point is if Romney has to release his taxes then so does everyone else in the entire world, but they have to do it first then afterward Romney will release his he swears
 
2012-07-20 08:53:38 PM  

Dinki: shruggingdowntheroad: A pat on the head. Romny is not required to release anything.

I love this talking point. So now the best they can say for their guy, the one that had foreign bank accounts and stashed money in offshore accounts, is well he's not required to release anything. And this is the guy they want for POTUS.


You'd think Mitt would at least want to continue the tradition of his father releasing tax returns. 12 years was it?

Or, are we not allowed to talk about his father, born in Mexico, because his family fled the U.S. to avoid polygamy laws?
 
2012-07-20 08:53:41 PM  

kapaso: He released them to McCain in 08.


This the most infuriating part to me. He gave McCain 23 years of tax returns. He didn't say, no, I don't want the job of Vice President enough for you to invade my privacy. Now he won't give the same consideration to the people who would decide if he should be President.

It comes off as saying the back room deal of choosing a running mate is legitimate but the election is not to him. That the players in power are to be respected and accommodated but the voters are not.
 
2012-07-20 08:56:31 PM  

soy_bomb: [go.bloomberg.com image 620x375]
I SEE DERP PEOPLE

/if this is what comes out to protest, Romney should just sit it out


You're just jealous because they're thin and can spell correctly, unlike Tea Baggers.
 
2012-07-20 09:01:01 PM  

Mercutio74: shruggingdowntheroad: I assume there is no illegal activity (i'm sure Obama has already had the IRS check for that), but the call for them is just an attempt to give the DNC more ammo.

Who the hell discloses illegal info in their tax returns when they're that rich and can afford accountants? Also, does the IRS usually do "favours" for presidents? And of course it'd be ammo for the DNC. What if Romney managed to pay no income tax one year? What if he took up the gov'ts offer of swiss banking amnesty? What if he WAS active with Bain when he wasn't? None of those things are illegal, but each would be damning.


The IRS is considering looking into certain tax exempt statuses. I wonder who will be the focus, and I wonder who's idea that might have been. My guess is there will be no damning emails and if there are they will fall under executive privliege.

As to the rest, let us assume the things you listed are not there, are you saying that there would be no story outside of these possibilities. I think you are being a bit disingenuous. The returns, if released will be spun to DNC advantage regarless of the contents, and my guess is that partisains will agree that whatever story is spun makes Romney an unacceptable candidate.
 
2012-07-20 09:02:26 PM  
By not releasing them, he's making everyone assume that the 15% in taxes he paid in 2010 was the high water mark.

He's screwed either way. Either he releases them and potentially shows that the very rich can make millions a year at low-single digit (or zero) tax rates, or he sits on them and all but admits the same. The "fifth amendment" defense never works very well in the court of public opinion, which for better or worse, is all that matters in elections.

Not a good place to be when your opponent's trying to make a point about the wealthy paying a lower percentage than the middle class.
 
2012-07-20 09:06:45 PM  

shruggingdowntheroad: Mercutio74: shruggingdowntheroad: I assume there is no illegal activity (i'm sure Obama has already had the IRS check for that), but the call for them is just an attempt to give the DNC more ammo.

Who the hell discloses illegal info in their tax returns when they're that rich and can afford accountants? Also, does the IRS usually do "favours" for presidents? And of course it'd be ammo for the DNC. What if Romney managed to pay no income tax one year? What if he took up the gov'ts offer of swiss banking amnesty? What if he WAS active with Bain when he wasn't? None of those things are illegal, but each would be damning.

The IRS is considering looking into certain tax exempt statuses. I wonder who will be the focus, and I wonder who's idea that might have been. My guess is there will be no damning emails and if there are they will fall under executive privliege.

As to the rest, let us assume the things you listed are not there, are you saying that there would be no story outside of these possibilities. I think you are being a bit disingenuous. The returns, if released will be spun to DNC advantage regarless of the contents, and my guess is that partisains will agree that whatever story is spun makes Romney an unacceptable candidate.


Let's assume he releases them like every other candidate in our lifetime. That has to happen before you can say the DNC is going to spin this.

By the way, your "partisian" base listening to Fox News will never hear the spin. It's evident you're only worried about what independents might think of the disclosures. Smells like fear and desperation in the Romney camp.
 
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