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(Bellator)   Friday Night Fights, Bellator 72 Summer Series returns with the Welterweight tournament final between Karl Amoussou and Bryan Baker. Bouts start online at 6:30pm Eastern   (bellator.com) divider line 343
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2012-07-20 09:15:24 PM

libranoelrose: Or let them hold onto the cage?


Well, yeah. But that would require loosening the rules. We can't have that!
 
2012-07-20 09:16:20 PM

psychicdeath99: libranoelrose: Flragnararch: don't forget groin punches.

I think everyone agrees that we don't want to see that anymore...

As long as Joe Son is the recipient, I have no problem with it.


He killed a guy in jail a few months ago, been linked by DNA to a gang rape from like 20 years ago, etc.

/which is probably why you said that
 
2012-07-20 09:16:41 PM

One Bad Apple: psychicdeath99: libranoelrose: Flragnararch: don't forget groin punches.

I think everyone agrees that we don't want to see that anymore...

As long as Joe Son is the recipient, I have no problem with it.

He is currently the recipient of much worse I assure you


Yup. Although killing his cellmate might have taken a little heat off him.
 
2012-07-20 09:17:42 PM

psychicdeath99: libranoelrose: Flragnararch: don't forget groin punches.

I think everyone agrees that we don't want to see that anymore...

As long as Joe Son is the recipient, I have no problem with it.


You got me there.
 
2012-07-20 09:20:20 PM

the biggest redneck here: psychicdeath99: libranoelrose: Flragnararch: don't forget groin punches.

I think everyone agrees that we don't want to see that anymore...

As long as Joe Son is the recipient, I have no problem with it.

He killed a guy in jail a few months ago, been linked by DNA to a gang rape from like 20 years ago, etc.

/which is probably why you said that


Or the fact that he lost his first fight by submission (multiple groin strikes).

Dude definitely deserved it.
 
2012-07-20 09:21:28 PM

the biggest redneck here: psychicdeath99: libranoelrose: Flragnararch: don't forget groin punches.

I think everyone agrees that we don't want to see that anymore...

As long as Joe Son is the recipient, I have no problem with it.

He killed a guy in jail a few months ago, been linked by DNA to a gang rape from like 20 years ago, etc.

/which is probably why you said that



That and he throws his shoes

Who does that ? Seriously ?
 
2012-07-20 09:22:33 PM
Does Newton really think he's going to land a spinning back kick on a Karate World Champ, or is that just a clever feint to get Attila to slow his roll?
 
2012-07-20 09:25:14 PM
Vegh is horrible. He had Newton nervous against the cage and didn't do anything with it.
 
2012-07-20 09:25:46 PM
Vegh needs to open up soon.
 
2012-07-20 09:26:26 PM
LOL at the advert on Newton's trunks.

Link
 
2012-07-20 09:26:33 PM

CKing12: Does Newton really think he's going to land a spinning back kick on a Karate World Champ, or is that just a clever feint to get Attila to slow his roll?

His corner keeps calling 3-2, so I imagine they have that as a bluff to show they studied his style. And he connected decently at the 1:45 mark
 
2012-07-20 09:29:04 PM
20-18 Newton so far. Vegh can't afford to be passive in the third.
 
2012-07-20 09:30:23 PM
Here's a listing of the changes:

Effective defense is no longer a criteria for scoring. This means that defending takedowns or blocking submissions and strikes don't count for anything. Under the new rules, the only advantage that defense brings to the table is that it keeps you from being finished by offense. The only way you can actually score points is through offense.
Striking and grappling have been given equal weight. In the past, striking was always listed first as a scoring opportunity, thereby giving it more importance. That's not the case anymore. Striking and grappling are, from this point forward, to be viewed as equal offensive measures.
Heavier strikes will be given more weight than number of strikes landed. They're now classifying damage as "effective damage," which means strikes that do more damaged will be weighed more heavily than an overall strike count. Of course, this is still a visual thing, as judges don't have access to in-fight statistics.
Grappling moves that are scored heavily: Takedowns, reversals, submissions, transitions, activity and threatening moves from the fighter on the bottom and attempted submissions that lead to the threatened fighter being tired. In theory, this will put more weight on guys who play a great guard game and constantly threaten submissions off their back. Witness the Miguel Torres vs. Demetrious Johnson fight for an example. Torres consistently threatened with submissions and used plenty of sweeps and reversals from the bottom, but Johnson was awarded the fight because he was on top. This, to me, is one of the more significant rule changes.
Effective aggression is now defined. Aggression in the cage is now defined as a fighter moving forward and using legal techniques. Attacking with submissions or strikes on the ground is included.
Control is also defined. "Octagon control" means that a fighter is dictating the pace and position of the fight in the cage.
 
2012-07-20 09:30:43 PM
Oh come on. You hurt him and then backed off.
 
2012-07-20 09:31:52 PM
wake me up when Daley comes up.
 
2012-07-20 09:33:51 PM
Tough to call, gonna guess Newton's aggression gives him the (split, likely) decision
 
2012-07-20 09:34:46 PM
Too little too late for Vegh. 29-28 Newton.
 
2012-07-20 09:36:29 PM

libranoelrose: Here's a listing of the changes:

Effective defense is no longer a criteria for scoring. This means that defending takedowns or blocking submissions and strikes don't count for anything. Under the new rules, the only advantage that defense brings to the table is that it keeps you from being finished by offense. The only way you can actually score points is through offense.
Striking and grappling have been given equal weight. In the past, striking was always listed first as a scoring opportunity, thereby giving it more importance. That's not the case anymore. Striking and grappling are, from this point forward, to be viewed as equal offensive measures.
Heavier strikes will be given more weight than number of strikes landed. They're now classifying damage as "effective damage," which means strikes that do more damaged will be weighed more heavily than an overall strike count. Of course, this is still a visual thing, as judges don't have access to in-fight statistics.
Grappling moves that are scored heavily: Takedowns, reversals, submissions, transitions, activity and threatening moves from the fighter on the bottom and attempted submissions that lead to the threatened fighter being tired. In theory, this will put more weight on guys who play a great guard game and constantly threaten submissions off their back. Witness the Miguel Torres vs. Demetrious Johnson fight for an example. Torres consistently threatened with submissions and used plenty of sweeps and reversals from the bottom, but Johnson was awarded the fight because he was on top. This, to me, is one of the more significant rule changes.
Effective aggression is now defined. Aggression in the cage is now defined as a fighter moving forward and using legal techniques. Attacking with submissions or strikes on the ground is included.
Control is also defined. "Octagon control" means that a fighter is dictating the pace and position of the fight in the cage.


The competency of the judges is far and away the most important factor, though. And I'm a huge fan of half-point scoring. More thoroughly defining the criteria can't hurt, but I think the other two changes are more important. The ACs are a joke, though, so I don't expect anything at all to get cleaned up.
 
2012-07-20 09:38:50 PM
What the shiat.
 
2012-07-20 09:38:51 PM

the biggest redneck here: The competency of the judges is far and away the most important factor, though.


I think that was just proven correct.

lmao
 
2012-07-20 09:39:18 PM
well you can give up on the half point scoring. They tested it and it made absolutely no difference, which was reported alongside these changes in the news articles.

Also, fark you judges.
 
2012-07-20 09:40:48 PM
I was going to post that I thought I chose poorly for this fight.

When it was over, I was sure I chose poorly.

But no! The judges give me a win.
 
2012-07-20 09:40:49 PM
Wow. Split decision for Vegh. I disagree but it was close enough that I can't complain.

Didn't see either giving Wiuff much problem though.
 
2012-07-20 09:42:05 PM
Guess they wanna keep feeding Diesel the smaller guys. Fast track him to the title fight with no real competition to let M'pumbu eat his soul and gain his knowledge =P
 
2012-07-20 09:47:42 PM
As much as I dislike Daley, I don't see Bears giving him much trouble.
 
2012-07-20 09:47:55 PM

Flragnararch: well you can give up on the half point scoring. They tested it and it made absolutely no difference, which was reported alongside these changes in the news articles.

Also, fark you judges.


Any system is going to fail when the judges suck ass.

Take the Machida/Rampage fight. Under competent whole-point scoring, it goes 10-9 Rampage, 10-9 Rampage, 10-9 Machida for a 29-28 Rampage win. Under competent half-point scoring, it goes 10-9.5 Rampage, 10-9.5 Rampage, 10-8.5 Machida for a 29-28.5 win for Machida. Easy fight to score under both systems, and competent judging brings a different winner with each system. I think the half-point system is superior, but am on the record as saying competency in judges is the #1 factor by a mile.
 
2012-07-20 09:49:14 PM

psychicdeath99: As much as I dislike Daley, I don't see Bears giving him much trouble.


Can the other guy wrestle?
 
2012-07-20 09:50:16 PM
Bears is from Raytown?

That's less than 10 miles from here.
 
2012-07-20 09:50:27 PM
Did Daley make weight?
 
2012-07-20 09:51:05 PM
Troy Waugh getting fat in the neck.
 
2012-07-20 09:54:00 PM
Um. Was that a Hammerfist to the back of the head, or the side?
 
2012-07-20 09:54:18 PM
good night irene
 
2012-07-20 09:54:21 PM
Well that went pretty much as expected.
 
2012-07-20 09:54:38 PM
So much for that. The left hook made him wilt.
 
2012-07-20 09:55:39 PM

the biggest redneck here: Did Daley make weight?


I read 170.25 lbs
 
2012-07-20 09:55:57 PM
Can someone please reply to one of my comments so I can see if notifications are working?
 
2012-07-20 09:56:21 PM
Here lies Rudy,
Began life as a Bear,
Ended as a Lamb.
 
2012-07-20 09:57:20 PM

downpaymentblues: Well that went pretty much as expected.


Yup. You got the round correct. Stupid me had to be conservative and take the second round.
 
2012-07-20 09:57:22 PM
Anyone seen downpaymentblues?
 
2012-07-20 09:57:38 PM

downpaymentblues: Can someone please reply to one of my comments so I can see if notifications are working?


no, fark you and your need for seeing if notifications are working.

/so there :P
 
2012-07-20 09:58:32 PM

psychicdeath99: downpaymentblues: Well that went pretty much as expected.

Yup. You got the round correct. Stupid me had to be conservative and take the second round.


violentsalvation: Anyone seen downpaymentblues?


Well heck. Not getting notifications.
 
2012-07-20 09:59:12 PM

downpaymentblues: psychicdeath99: downpaymentblues: Well that went pretty much as expected.

Yup. You got the round correct. Stupid me had to be conservative and take the second round.

violentsalvation: Anyone seen downpaymentblues?

Well heck. Not getting notifications.


I think sometimes it takes up to 10 minutes or something.
 
2012-07-20 09:59:48 PM
Oh cool I wanted to see this again.
 
2012-07-20 09:59:58 PM
Cool. I missed seeing the Killa Bee prelim.
 
2012-07-20 10:00:02 PM
yay I get to see the saunders fight that I missed due to work.
 
2012-07-20 10:00:26 PM
Flood protection was longer than that fight.
 
2012-07-20 10:02:08 PM

downpaymentblues: psychicdeath99: downpaymentblues: Well that went pretty much as expected.

Yup. You got the round correct. Stupid me had to be conservative and take the second round.

violentsalvation: Anyone seen downpaymentblues?

Well heck. Not getting notifications.


Right after I read your post, I got a notification from Tapology that I had a new follower.

I snickered ;-)
 
2012-07-20 10:02:12 PM
i.imgur.com
 
2012-07-20 10:02:20 PM
That was fast. Had to rewind and watch it again. Big knees.
 
2012-07-20 10:03:14 PM
And there come the Fark notifications...
 
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