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(Evansville Courier Press)   Indiana GOP: Was it wrong to set up a Barack Obama punching bag at our county fair booth? Should we not have done that?   (courierpress.com) divider line 166
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2012-07-20 02:18:26 PM
Oh, sure. Get mad at the Indiana GOP for setting up a President Obama punching bag. This is not at all the same as when people in a different country would burn Bush in effigy. (Except that Americans are threatening Obama.)
 
2012-07-20 02:22:33 PM
No, it was not wrong.

It was classless and tasteless, but it was not wrong.
 
2012-07-20 02:23:13 PM
Meh, I ain't even mad. This is like a 2 on the GOP Troll-o-meter this year.
 
2012-07-20 02:24:21 PM
At least it was honest, which is more than you can say about a lot of stuff lately...
 
2012-07-20 02:24:46 PM
i think it's great. in fact, i thank god that i live in a country where you're allowed to be a total asshole.
 
2012-07-20 02:25:38 PM

unlikely: No, it was not wrong.

It was classless and tasteless, but it was not wrong.


You think so? I disagree because the rule of law and our very democracy are based upon the fact that we do not use violence to decide who runs the country. (Except for the Brooks Brothers Riot.) Every 4 or 8 years, there is a bloodless transfer of power. Encouraging fairgoers to punch the President seems to undercut this very important principle.

I am honestly interested to see why you don't think it's wrong.
 
2012-07-20 02:27:08 PM
 
2012-07-20 02:28:59 PM
Nothing but class, respect, and unprecedented displays of maturity up and down the entire GOP spectrum. We're looong past the days of "isolated incidents" and "overzealous staffers", this is nothing short of a systemic trend in the entire party. I don't know what you fellow Republicans are feeling right now, but it certainly can't be pride.
 
2012-07-20 02:31:54 PM
It's not "wrong." It's just in poor taste. If you hate Obama, fight him with IDEAS. This sort of thing makes you look silly. And desperate, probably because you have no real ideas.

ThatGuyGreg: Meh, I ain't even mad. This is like a 2 on the GOP Troll-o-meter this year.


This, too.
 
2012-07-20 02:33:10 PM

gimmegimme: I am honestly interested to see why you don't think it's wrong.


I think when unlikely says wrong, he's meaning illegal.
 
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2012-07-20 02:33:23 PM

vernonFL: The Obama administration continues to deny that he was part of a secret CIA program which teleported him to Mars.


www.wired.com
This is all the proof I need. I'm sure a picture from the internet would hold up in any court of law.
 
2012-07-20 02:35:44 PM
He's been a metaphorical punching bag for four years.
 
2012-07-20 02:35:46 PM

gimmegimme: unlikely: No, it was not wrong.

It was classless and tasteless, but it was not wrong.

You think so? I disagree because the rule of law and our very democracy are based upon the fact that we do not use violence to decide who runs the country. (Except for the Brooks Brothers Riot.) Every 4 or 8 years, there is a bloodless transfer of power. Encouraging fairgoers to punch the President seems to undercut this very important principle.

I am honestly interested to see why you don't think it's wrong.


It's a double-edged sword. You're interpreting more literally. I interpret it more metaphorically.

Perhaps we've become a bit desensitized given the truly violent rhetoric, imagery, and actions of some in regard to the President. But I agree with the others here saying "meh."
 
2012-07-20 02:37:20 PM

vernonFL: The Obama administration continues to deny that he was part of a secret CIA program which teleported him to Mars.


See, this is what makes Obama so cool. Bush would never teleport to Mars.
 
2012-07-20 02:38:09 PM

Diogenes: gimmegimme: unlikely: No, it was not wrong.

It was classless and tasteless, but it was not wrong.

You think so? I disagree because the rule of law and our very democracy are based upon the fact that we do not use violence to decide who runs the country. (Except for the Brooks Brothers Riot.) Every 4 or 8 years, there is a bloodless transfer of power. Encouraging fairgoers to punch the President seems to undercut this very important principle.

I am honestly interested to see why you don't think it's wrong.

It's a double-edged sword. You're interpreting more literally. I interpret it more metaphorically.

Perhaps we've become a bit desensitized given the truly violent rhetoric, imagery, and actions of some in regard to the President. But I agree with the others here saying "meh."


I'm going to agree with you that it's not illegal. I would be happy to say "meh" if conservatives would say "meh" if some company made a George Bush, War Criminal punching bag.
 
2012-07-20 02:39:49 PM
I don't think this is all that bad. In fact, it's kind of light-hearted and fun, and it might even help those poor, persecuted teabaggers expel some of their irrational rage.

Now, the guy who owns the gun range selling targets of Obama... that's probably a little too far.
 
2012-07-20 02:40:38 PM

gimmegimme: unlikely: No, it was not wrong.

It was classless and tasteless, but it was not wrong.

You think so? I disagree because the rule of law and our very democracy are based upon the fact that we do not use violence to decide who runs the country. (Except for the Brooks Brothers Riot.) Every 4 or 8 years, there is a bloodless transfer of power. Encouraging fairgoers to punch the President seems to undercut this very important principle.

I am honestly interested to see why you don't think it's wrong.


It's not the same as yelling "fire" in a theater (feels odd to use that old phrase after today's event). What you're suggesting about it undermining the principle of bloodless transfer of power is akin to claiming that video games should be pulled because they inspire real-life violence. Ultimately, the individual citizen is responsible for his or her own behavior, and is to understand the difference between a punching bag and an actual attempt on the man's life.

Again, tasteless as all hell. But "wrong?" Nah. Just farking stupid.
 
2012-07-20 02:41:46 PM

gimmegimme: unlikely: No, it was not wrong.

It was classless and tasteless, but it was not wrong.

You think so? I disagree because the rule of law and our very democracy are based upon the fact that we do not use violence to decide who runs the country. (Except for the Brooks Brothers Riot.) Every 4 or 8 years, there is a bloodless transfer of power. Encouraging fairgoers to punch the President seems to undercut this very important principle.

I am honestly interested to see why you don't think it's wrong.


You sound...tense. Chill man.

It's a *literal* punching bag. It's the physical embodiment of what the GOP is doing to Obama in the Presidential race: treating him as a punching bag. If you honestly think this is promoting a non-"bloodless transfer of power", then I think you either *way* too touchy or need to talk to a therapist. And I'm not using that as an insult, I mean you may seriously have a mental health disorder.
 
2012-07-20 02:45:58 PM

dickfreckle: gimmegimme: unlikely: No, it was not wrong.

It was classless and tasteless, but it was not wrong.

You think so? I disagree because the rule of law and our very democracy are based upon the fact that we do not use violence to decide who runs the country. (Except for the Brooks Brothers Riot.) Every 4 or 8 years, there is a bloodless transfer of power. Encouraging fairgoers to punch the President seems to undercut this very important principle.

I am honestly interested to see why you don't think it's wrong.

It's not the same as yelling "fire" in a theater (feels odd to use that old phrase after today's event). What you're suggesting about it undermining the principle of bloodless transfer of power is akin to claiming that video games should be pulled because they inspire real-life violence. Ultimately, the individual citizen is responsible for his or her own behavior, and is to understand the difference between a punching bag and an actual attempt on the man's life.

Again, tasteless as all hell. But "wrong?" Nah. Just farking stupid.


I like your video game analogy. (Although I am wondering what the difference is in Vodka Zombie's mention of the Obama shooting targets.)

Gecko Gingrich: gimmegimme: unlikely: No, it was not wrong.

It was classless and tasteless, but it was not wrong.

You think so? I disagree because the rule of law and our very democracy are based upon the fact that we do not use violence to decide who runs the country. (Except for the Brooks Brothers Riot.) Every 4 or 8 years, there is a bloodless transfer of power. Encouraging fairgoers to punch the President seems to undercut this very important principle.

I am honestly interested to see why you don't think it's wrong.

You sound...tense. Chill man.

It's a *literal* punching bag. It's the physical embodiment of what the GOP is doing to Obama in the Presidential race: treating him as a punching bag. If you honestly think this is promoting a non-"bloodless transfer of power", then I think you either *way* too touchy or need to talk to a therapist. And I'm not using that as an insult, I mean you may seriously have a mental health disorder.


Wow...that's the last time I calmly lay out my line of thinking, inviting reasonable comment as to why I may be wrong. From now on, I'll just wait until other folks comment and then agree with them.
 
2012-07-20 02:49:06 PM

dickfreckle: Ultimately, the individual citizen is responsible for his or her own behavior, and is to understand the difference between a punching bag and an actual attempt on the man's life.


Sorry to quote myself, but I want to add that there are limits to this. Yes, I think it's incredibly irresponsible to get up to a podium and bark "vote from the rooftops." That's an actual call to arms, and is deplorable. But the punching bag? Or even the effigies burning at rodeos and TEA rallies? Meh. Again, stupid, but not really worth being being considered a viable threat.

I'm probably one of the top 20 libtards on this site (in terms of libtardiness, not necessarily quality), but I'm not seeing the problem with this particular event.
 
2012-07-20 02:49:20 PM

gimmegimme: calmly


I do not think that word means what you think it means.
 
2012-07-20 02:50:53 PM
There's nothing wrong or illegal about that. It is about 10 different kinds of assholeishness though.
 
2012-07-20 02:52:39 PM

dickfreckle: I'm probably one of the top 20 libtards on this site (in terms of libtardiness, not necessarily quality), but I'm not seeing the problem with this particular event.


Maybe it's an "equal time" thing? Would people be as outraged if there was an Obama punching bag AND a Romney punching bag?

Now, instead of trying to convey a political message, you've got some bootstrappy businessman simply trying to make a buck.
 
2012-07-20 02:55:10 PM
Meh - not wrong, not illegal, not racist, not even particularly bad taste - overall, not very Republican at all. Are they slipping?
 
2012-07-20 02:55:37 PM
23 comments in and no one is screaming "racism"?

Good job, Farkers. You are getting better.
 
2012-07-20 02:57:01 PM

cman: 23 comments in and no one is screaming "racism"?

Good job, Farkers. You are getting better.


You make a good point. If you're looking for racism or accusations of such, go to Fark. If you want sane, rational comment with no hint of racism, go to WND or Freeperland.
 
2012-07-20 02:57:49 PM

gimmegimme: cman: 23 comments in and no one is screaming "racism"?

Good job, Farkers. You are getting better.

You make a good point. If you're looking for racism or accusations of such, go to Fark. If you want sane, rational comment with no hint of racism, go to WND or Freeperland.


Ok, I admit it, I laughed
 
2012-07-20 02:58:41 PM
The punching bag itself is pretty much just overenthusiastic party hack showing his outside the box rally the faithful thinking. The gollywog face, on the other hand, is pure Indiana and pure GOP.
 
2012-07-20 02:59:20 PM

cman: 23 comments in and no one is screaming "racism"?

Good job, Farkers. You are getting better.


Perhaps you should consider the possibility that it's the people who say "you can't dissent/criticize Obama for anything without being called 'racist'" are the ones overreacting.
 
2012-07-20 03:00:26 PM
One thing that should be noted - it's farked up when representatives of the actual party pull this sort of thing. It's one thing for an individual to misspell a sign that intimates a 2nd Amendment Solution, but another for the party's own tent to set up a punching bag. It's not that I think it's "wrong" (see above posts)...it's that it's so farking pathetic. How many official Democratic kiosks do this? One could almost say that Dems don't sink to this sort of base behavior, at least in official capacity.

But yeah, we're the ones that can't be reasoned with.
 
2012-07-20 03:03:38 PM

Diogenes: Perhaps you should consider the possibility that it's the people who say "you can't dissent/criticize Obama for anything without being called 'racist'" are the ones overreacting.


woah don;'t get ahead of yourself, товарищ
 
2012-07-20 03:07:47 PM

cman: 23 comments in and no one is screaming "racism"?

Good job, Farkers. You are getting better.


Which is strange, because you're always the one accusing people of racism.
 
2012-07-20 03:08:29 PM
meh.

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2012-07-20 03:10:03 PM

GAT_00: cman: 23 comments in and no one is screaming "racism"?

Good job, Farkers. You are getting better.

Which is strange, because you're always the one accusing people of racism.


You are confusing me with someone else.

I'm the one who always biatches about people throwing the race card out at things that are not racist. I do it a lot.
 
2012-07-20 03:19:28 PM

cman: GAT_00: cman: 23 comments in and no one is screaming "racism"?

Good job, Farkers. You are getting better.

Which is strange, because you're always the one accusing people of racism.

You are confusing me with someone else.

I'm the one who always biatches about people throwing the race card out at things that are not racist. I do it a lot.


It does seem as though you often try to imply the left has the racism problem instead of the right. So much so that, on June 23, vygramul prepared a cut-and-paste rebuttal I will reproduce below. Dr. Mojo makes a good point. Sure, you can find a racist individual in any group. But the Republican racists are in positions of power. Here is the pre-emptive rebuttal:

Dr. Mojo PhD: I love how lunatic conservatives operate.

First, have registered (or better yet, ELECTED) Republicans send out crap like this:
i.imgur.com
(Watermelons on the White House lawn, sent by Los Alamitos Mayor Dean Grose, in March 2009, a scant two months after Obama was inaugurated -- I'm sure they were just criticizing 3.5 years of bad policy decisions, though)

And this:
i.imgur.com
(Obama Bucks, sent by Diane Fedele, the president of the Republican women's club in San Bernardino, in October 2008, a month before Obama was even elected -- I'm sure they were just criticizing 3.5 years of bad policy decisions, though)

Second, DON'T CALL OUT THESE RACIST ELEMENTS OF YOUR PARTY. Acknowledging they exist will foul the next few steps. You must pretend as if this never happened.

Third, allow liberals to rightly call this racist.

Fourth, criticize Obama on something not related to this. Then, to immediately shelter your statement from criticism, "predict" that liberals will call your criticism racist because they have a history of calling actual racism racist. Pretend that because a Republican sent out pictures of Obama as a lazy, watermelon-eating negro, this means liberals will view your argument in the same light. This automatically shelters you from criticism, instantly makes you the real victim, and turns you into Innocence Abused.

Instant win and totally not-transparent-at-all hug-bait that only works on people that exist in your echo chamber whose arguments are so fragile that not only can they not withstand critical examination, but you need to make yourself the victim to feel that any critical examination is unfair slurs against your character.
 
2012-07-20 03:23:07 PM

cman: GAT_00: cman: 23 comments in and no one is screaming "racism"?

Good job, Farkers. You are getting better.

Which is strange, because you're always the one accusing people of racism.

You are confusing me with someone else.

I'm the one who always biatches about people throwing the race card out at things that are not racist. I do it a lot.


The only time you ever accuse people of racism is when you claim liberals are throwing out the race card, usually when people are making openly racist comments, and you decide to denounce the people for denouncing the racist farktard.
 
2012-07-20 03:28:46 PM

cman: GAT_00: cman: 23 comments in and no one is screaming "racism"?

Good job, Farkers. You are getting better.

Which is strange, because you're always the one accusing people of racism.

You are confusing me with someone else.

I'm the one who always biatches about people throwing the race card out at things that are not racist. I do it a lot.


To be fair, a depiction of a black man that is hung from a rope is pretty borderline.
 
2012-07-20 03:36:23 PM

gimmegimme: cman: GAT_00: cman: 23 comments in and no one is screaming "racism"?

Good job, Farkers. You are getting better.

Which is strange, because you're always the one accusing people of racism.

You are confusing me with someone else.

I'm the one who always biatches about people throwing the race card out at things that are not racist. I do it a lot.

It does seem as though you often try to imply the left has the racism problem instead of the right. So much so that, on June 23, vygramul prepared a cut-and-paste rebuttal I will reproduce below. Dr. Mojo makes a good point. Sure, you can find a racist individual in any group. But the Republican racists are in positions of power. Here is the pre-emptive rebuttal:

Dr. Mojo PhD: I love how lunatic conservatives operate.

First, have registered (or better yet, ELECTED) Republicans send out crap like this:
[i.imgur.com image 260x190]
(Watermelons on the White House lawn, sent by Los Alamitos Mayor Dean Grose, in March 2009, a scant two months after Obama was inaugurated -- I'm sure they were just criticizing 3.5 years of bad policy decisions, though)

And this:
[i.imgur.com image 400x174]
(Obama Bucks, sent by Diane Fedele, the president of the Republican women's club in San Bernardino, in October 2008, a month before Obama was even elected -- I'm sure they were just criticizing 3.5 years of bad policy decisions, though)

Second, DON'T CALL OUT THESE RACIST ELEMENTS OF YOUR PARTY. Acknowledging they exist will foul the next few steps. You must pretend as if this never happened.

Third, allow liberals to rightly call this racist.

Fourth, criticize Obama on something not related to this. Then, to immediately shelter your statement from criticism, "predict" that liberals will call your criticism racist because they have a history of calling actual racism racist. Pretend that because a Republican sent out pictures of Obama as a lazy, watermelon-eating negro, this means liberals will view your argument in the same light. Thi ...


Yes sir, those pictures are indeed without any doubt racist. The person who created them and the people who continue to circulate them (without denouncing them) need to be called out on this. Those farks are unenlightened bastards who are proud of their ignorance.

But, the problem is, not everything is racist. For example, the effigy. People have been burning effigies for centuries, and now because it is an effigy of Obama, its somehow now racist?
 
2012-07-20 03:41:41 PM

cman: Yes sir, those pictures are indeed without any doubt racist. The person who created them and the people who continue to circulate them (without denouncing them) need to be called out on this. Those farks are unenlightened bastards who are proud of their ignorance.

But, the problem is, not everything is racist. For example, the effigy. People have been burning effigies for centuries, and now because it is an effigy of Obama, its somehow now racist?


As xiaodown pointed out, there are times when something that is racist in one circumstance wouldn't be racist in another. Comparing W to a primate, for example, is somewhat different than comparing Obama to a primate because of the centuries-long history of depriving black people of their humanity by comparing them to primates.

You admitted that racism is far more likely in other places on the Internet. If you really want to call out racism, why not go where the fields are more fertile?
 
2012-07-20 03:44:34 PM

gimmegimme: cman: Yes sir, those pictures are indeed without any doubt racist. The person who created them and the people who continue to circulate them (without denouncing them) need to be called out on this. Those farks are unenlightened bastards who are proud of their ignorance.

But, the problem is, not everything is racist. For example, the effigy. People have been burning effigies for centuries, and now because it is an effigy of Obama, its somehow now racist?

As xiaodown pointed out, there are times when something that is racist in one circumstance wouldn't be racist in another. Comparing W to a primate, for example, is somewhat different than comparing Obama to a primate because of the centuries-long history of depriving black people of their humanity by comparing them to primates.

You admitted that racism is far more likely in other places on the Internet. If you really want to call out racism, why not go where the fields are more fertile?


Because I am not invested in those communities, nor do I want to invest in those communities.

To be frank, many of those people on those sites scare the bejesus out of me. I want nothing to do with their blinding ignorance. It scares me that I am in the same species as those folks considering how backwards they are.
 
2012-07-20 03:51:36 PM

cman: gimmegimme: cman: Yes sir, those pictures are indeed without any doubt racist. The person who created them and the people who continue to circulate them (without denouncing them) need to be called out on this. Those farks are unenlightened bastards who are proud of their ignorance.

But, the problem is, not everything is racist. For example, the effigy. People have been burning effigies for centuries, and now because it is an effigy of Obama, its somehow now racist?

As xiaodown pointed out, there are times when something that is racist in one circumstance wouldn't be racist in another. Comparing W to a primate, for example, is somewhat different than comparing Obama to a primate because of the centuries-long history of depriving black people of their humanity by comparing them to primates.

You admitted that racism is far more likely in other places on the Internet. If you really want to call out racism, why not go where the fields are more fertile?

Because I am not invested in those communities, nor do I want to invest in those communities.

To be frank, many of those people on those sites scare the bejesus out of me. I want nothing to do with their blinding ignorance. It scares me that I am in the same species as those folks considering how backwards they are.


Fair enough. But perhaps you are being a little bit sensitive. Call out racism when you see it instead of informing everyone that you're going to find it no matter what.
 
2012-07-20 04:08:04 PM

cman: gimmegimme: cman: Yes sir, those pictures are indeed without any doubt racist. The person who created them and the people who continue to circulate them (without denouncing them) need to be called out on this. Those farks are unenlightened bastards who are proud of their ignorance.

But, the problem is, not everything is racist. For example, the effigy. People have been burning effigies for centuries, and now because it is an effigy of Obama, its somehow now racist?

As xiaodown pointed out, there are times when something that is racist in one circumstance wouldn't be racist in another. Comparing W to a primate, for example, is somewhat different than comparing Obama to a primate because of the centuries-long history of depriving black people of their humanity by comparing them to primates.

You admitted that racism is far more likely in other places on the Internet. If you really want to call out racism, why not go where the fields are more fertile?

Because I am not invested in those communities, nor do I want to invest in those communities.

To be frank, many of those people on those sites scare the bejesus out of me. I want nothing to do with their blinding ignorance. It scares me that I am in the same species as those folks considering how backwards they are.


Plus, Freeperland bans everyone the moment you don't go along with the herd.
 
2012-07-20 04:11:10 PM

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Heh. I forgot about the Spiro Agnew punching bag (I remember the Agnew wrist watch, though).

What's offensive is not the fact that the punching bag exists, but this:

Delaware County GOP spokesman Tom Bennington tells The Star Press he thinks the bag was placed outside the tent by party leaders.

Oops.
 
2012-07-20 04:19:33 PM

cman: But, the problem is, not everything is racist. For example, the effigy. People have been burning effigies for centuries, and now because it is an effigy of Obama, its somehow now racist?


Did you not, just a half hour ago, note that nobody in the thread had called the punching bag racist?
 
2012-07-20 04:21:51 PM

FloydA: cman: But, the problem is, not everything is racist. For example, the effigy. People have been burning effigies for centuries, and now because it is an effigy of Obama, its somehow now racist?

Did you not, just a half hour ago, note that nobody in the thread had called the punching bag racist?


Touche
 
2012-07-20 04:30:21 PM

Lorelle: Heh. I forgot about the Spiro Agnew punching bag (I remember the Agnew wrist watch, though).

What's offensive is not the fact that the punching bag exists, but this:

Delaware County GOP spokesman Tom Bennington tells The Star Press he thinks the bag was placed outside the tent by party leaders.

Oops.


Growing up in Muncie, IN and attending that fair throughout my ute, I'm getting a kick...

Muncie has always been a racial hotbed. It was a huge factory town from the 20s through the 80s and attracted a lot of folks from all over Indiana plus Kentucky and Tennessee. Low-skilled, high paying union jobs were plentiful, so you literally had Klan members working on the same line as young black guys breaking into the middle class in the 60s and 70s. It was also one of the most democratically skewed counties in the state(because unions), though in fairness they more resembled dixiecrats than the modern D party. Now the factories have all closed down and you have a lot of unemployed AAs and a lot of retired boomers who became TeaParty folks. I'm rambling but my point is- the punching bag itself isnt racist(or really even that outragey). Like I said above- we've been making punching-bags of politicians probably forever. Still, there's no doubt a lot of the people taking a swing in Muncie get an extra burst of joy because they're punching the black guy.
 
2012-07-20 04:38:49 PM

Vodka Zombie: Now, the guy who owns the gun range selling targets of Obama... that's probably a little too far.


Well, you kind of ruined it for me, but I was reminded of this.
 
2012-07-20 04:41:00 PM

ThatGuyGreg: Meh, I ain't even mad. This is like a 2 on the GOP Troll-o-meter this year.

 
2012-07-20 04:45:25 PM
www.thegatewaypundit.com

"Ladies and gentleman, boys and girls, step right up and punch the ni... President!!!"
 
2012-07-20 04:45:26 PM
The joke is on them. They live in Muncie.
 
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