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2012-07-20 07:35:14 PM
I have an addition to the list. My father was listening to Sean Hannity today, who started a sentence off with, "If I had been there..." then beat around the bush a little bit and started again, "If there was a responsible gun user there, this could have been very different."
 
2012-07-20 07:40:48 PM

WI241TH: I have an addition to the list. My father was listening to Sean Hannity today, who started a sentence off with, "If I had been there..." then beat around the bush a little bit and started again, "If there was a responsible gun user there, this could have been very different."


I really hate this argument because all I hear from it is "You're stupid and worthless if you don't own a gun and carry it 100% of the time with you."
 
2012-07-20 07:51:12 PM

LasersHurt: tomWright: Just as the price of free speech has costs such as Snooki, Jenny McCarthy, Harry Reid or Rick Santorum, in order to bring us sublime beauty such as the words of Abraham Lincoln, Martin Luther King, and the acting of Mo Howard or Gigi Rivera, so too does the right to keep and bear arms have a cost for the freedoms it brings us.

As horrible as this mass murder is, one person is limited in the amount of death they can cause.

Governments with a monopoly on gun use, on the other hand, bring us:
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and
(May exceed FARK rules)

I prefer the deaths and rapes never occur, because there was someone able to drive away an assailant, usually without a shot being fired, and not just willing but disarmed, and having to comply and die while waiting those long, lethal minutes for 911 to respond

Do you have any opinions on this century?


One over-riding one: Human nature and behavior have not evolved in the past 13 years to the point any one of them, or any group of them, can be trusted with a monopoly on the use of force over others.

Democratizing power means spreading it around, not concentrating it.
 
2012-07-20 07:53:09 PM

LucklessWonder: [www.blogcdn.com image 331x511]


That's amazing.
 
2012-07-20 07:55:42 PM

LasersHurt: tomWright: Just as the price of free speech has costs such as Snooki, Jenny McCarthy, Harry Reid or Rick Santorum, in order to bring us sublime beauty such as the words of Abraham Lincoln, Martin Luther King, and the acting of Mo Howard or Gigi Rivera, so too does the right to keep and bear arms have a cost for the freedoms it brings us.

As horrible as this mass murder is, one person is limited in the amount of death they can cause.

Governments with a monopoly on gun use, on the other hand, bring us:
[www.hawaii.edu image 430x707]
and
(May exceed FARK rules)

I prefer the deaths and rapes never occur, because there was someone able to drive away an assailant, usually without a shot being fired, and not just willing but disarmed, and having to comply and die while waiting those long, lethal minutes for 911 to respond

Do you have any opinions on this century?


Those numbers all look completely legit.
 
2012-07-20 07:59:42 PM

The_Sponge: Fart_Machine: That doesn't really show much of anything. According to your definition Arizona has better gun laws and they rank fifth on the list.


Exactly....maybe it's proof that gun control doesn't work....given that the gun laws in WA and AZ aren't that far apart, and did you notice that Washington, DC is at the top of the list.


It could mean that the whole issue is far more complicated that just relating to gun laws.
 
2012-07-20 08:01:18 PM

Fart_Machine: The_Sponge: Fart_Machine: That doesn't really show much of anything. According to your definition Arizona has better gun laws and they rank fifth on the list.


Exactly....maybe it's proof that gun control doesn't work....given that the gun laws in WA and AZ aren't that far apart, and did you notice that Washington, DC is at the top of the list.

It could mean that the whole issue is far more complicated that just relating to gun laws.


Background checks for people getting guns, mental healthcare, there are plenty of other things that can affect the probability of this.
 
2012-07-20 08:09:32 PM

tomWright: LasersHurt: tomWright: Just as the price of free speech has costs such as Snooki, Jenny McCarthy, Harry Reid or Rick Santorum, in order to bring us sublime beauty such as the words of Abraham Lincoln, Martin Luther King, and the acting of Mo Howard or Gigi Rivera, so too does the right to keep and bear arms have a cost for the freedoms it brings us.

As horrible as this mass murder is, one person is limited in the amount of death they can cause.

Governments with a monopoly on gun use, on the other hand, bring us:
[www.hawaii.edu image 430x707]
and
(May exceed FARK rules)

I prefer the deaths and rapes never occur, because there was someone able to drive away an assailant, usually without a shot being fired, and not just willing but disarmed, and having to comply and die while waiting those long, lethal minutes for 911 to respond

Do you have any opinions on this century?

One over-riding one: Human nature and behavior have not evolved in the past 13 years to the point any one of them, or any group of them, can be trusted with a monopoly on the use of force over others.

Democratizing power means spreading it around, not concentrating it.


Right, and if you and a few dozen like minded patriots could just have your fully automatic weapons with banana clips you could keep the killing fields from happening here. Talk about your masturbatory fantasies.
 
2012-07-20 08:14:47 PM
For biggest idiot, nevermind that Brian Ross ABC News, on the basis of no evidence whatsoever, saw the (common enough) name of the shooter on the list of local Tea Partier and suggested that was the shooter. Daren't suggest on FarKos that manifestations of liberal bigotry are idiotic, after all.
 
2012-07-20 08:22:54 PM

spmkk: LasersHurt: "spmkk:

Until you can prove, via statistics, that arming everyone would reduce the number of people shot, I will disagree with the idea. And since you can't prove that, I'm feeling pretty solid."

I'm glad you asked. I encourage you to read about the town of Kennesaw, GA, which has seen a 50% crime reduction and zero murders in the 30 years since enacting a law that requires residents to be armed. I also urge you to read about citizen gun ownership vs. violent crime in places like Switzerland and Israel.


Not one person I know in Kennesaw owns a gun. The law was a PR stunt, not widely known and not enforced.
 
2012-07-20 08:25:37 PM

grotto_man: For biggest idiot, nevermind that Brian Ross ABC News, on the basis of no evidence whatsoever, saw the (common enough) name of the shooter on the list of local Tea Partier and suggested that was the shooter. Daren't suggest on FarKos that manifestations of liberal bigotry are idiotic, after all.


No, he didn't. Here's the actual quote:

ROSS: There's a Jim Holmes of Aurora, Colo., page on the Colorado Tea Party site as well, talking about him joining the tea party last year. Now, we don't know if this is the same Jim Holmes. But it's Jim Holmes of Aurora, Colo.
 
2012-07-20 08:26:16 PM

WI241TH: I have an addition to the list. My father was listening to Sean Hannity today, who started a sentence off with, "If I had been there..." then beat around the bush a little bit and started again, "If there was a responsible gun user there, this could have been very different."


A responsible gun owner would never fire in a darkened, crowded room after being partially blinded by tear gas.

The NRA themselves tell you not to shoot if you can't identify your target and if other people may be in the cross-fire.
 
2012-07-20 08:32:37 PM

magusdevil: See it's all about degrees. Only extremists want absolutes.



Exactly....and I'm not saying California should come to absolute with their gun laws. Would it be so bad if they had the same laws that we do in Washington?
 
2012-07-20 08:39:50 PM

qorkfiend: shotglasss: Late to this one, but Brian Ross and ABC "News" went so far off the deep end, no one will ever come close to them. Going on a TEA Party page, finding a similar name, then accusing that person of being the shooter was the most asinine thing I've ever seen.

That's not actually what happened. We can look at the actual quote:

ROSS: There's a Jim Holmes of Aurora, Colo., page on the Colorado Tea Party site as well, talking about him joining the tea party last year. Now, we don't know if this is the same Jim Holmes. But it's Jim Holmes of Aurora, Colo.


O FOR F*CKS SAKE.
 
2012-07-20 08:40:17 PM
Is this the thread where we discuss the need for better mental health care?
 
2012-07-20 08:42:42 PM

ordinarysteve: qorkfiend: Basily Gourt: Yep, not like people in the media aren't exploiting this for all it's worth.

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Should CNN not discuss the shooting on air? Why?

I think the problem is that they perpetuate it by glamorizing mass killers. This video from a few years ago on the BB helps explain the problem Link


That was chilling. Thanks for the link.
 
2012-07-20 08:43:29 PM

MSFT: Is this the thread where we discuss the need for better mental health care?


Actually this is the thread where we pin it on a group we don't like, attempt a halfarse plan of enhancing security and forget all about it in two weeks.
 
2012-07-20 08:46:49 PM

magusdevil:
Democratizing power means spreading it around, not concentrating it.

Right, and if you and a few dozen like minded patriots could just have your fully automatic weapons with banana clips you could keep the killing fields from happening here. Talk about your masturbatory fantasies.


Nope.

Violence is a social and cultural problem, not a hardware problem.

Violence was happening long before guns were invented, and will continue in violent cultures with or without them.

Just as alcoholism, drug abuse, bigotry and racism are learned from larger society, attitudes regarding violence are also.

Blaming an object for the deeds of a person is an ancient superstition that should have been outgrown by humanity long ago. But then we still believe in gods, angels, demons and the weekly weather report too.
 
2012-07-20 08:48:11 PM
So the NRA thing could just be a case of someone who hadn't read the news yet. Big deal. I didn't find out until 10 am oe so myself, are we expecting the 'Head Tweeter' to have a direct news feed for EVERY story? Hell, the person probably feels horrible at this point. Keep in mind that NRA does not automatically equal 'Heartless Asshole'.

And now on to Louie Gohmert... What a cock. He is seriously trying to somehow make HIMSELF the farking victim here? Way to keep it classy, Republicans. This guy is one of yours, you created this culture, you support people who are douchebags just because they have an (R) next to their name, you own this one, too. Currently, the only person more in need of a sock full of quarters to the groin is James O'Keefe.

And Louie? If there WAS anyone armed there, I'm glad they obviously showed more restraint than you would have. For the anti-gun people out there also, just because someone is carrying in a situation like that, it does NOT mean that they are going to start blazing away, no matter what you have heard. The responsible people will not shoot without a clear shot, they also will not brandish unless they have a chance to help, and they will not start talking "tough". Responsible gun owners may sit an incident like this out, but they will do it knowing that a wild shot from them didn't hurt or kill anyone...
 
2012-07-20 08:48:52 PM

WizardofToast: Actually this is the thread where we pin it on a group we don't like, attempt a halfarse plan of enhancing security and forget all about it in two weeks.


My bad, I meant to be on the "blame this on a liberal conspiracy after Obama hired this unemployed guy to shoot up the theater in an effort to increase an effort to take away the second amendment."

Silly me, thought this was the NRA's website.
 
2012-07-20 08:49:25 PM
Goh gurt was right about one thing,

"We have been at war with the very pillars, the very foundation of this country."

Yea, I knew that already.
 
2012-07-20 08:51:41 PM

Gyrfalcon: qorkfiend: shotglasss: Late to this one, but Brian Ross and ABC "News" went so far off the deep end, no one will ever come close to them. Going on a TEA Party page, finding a similar name, then accusing that person of being the shooter was the most asinine thing I've ever seen.

That's not actually what happened. We can look at the actual quote:

ROSS: There's a Jim Holmes of Aurora, Colo., page on the Colorado Tea Party site as well, talking about him joining the tea party last year. Now, we don't know if this is the same Jim Holmes. But it's Jim Holmes of Aurora, Colo.

O FOR F*CKS SAKE.


Did you want something?
 
2012-07-20 08:52:35 PM

Mikey1969: So the NRA thing could just be a case of someone who hadn't read the news yet.


That would mean this person's computer or phone goes to post Twits online as the home page. I mean, let's say there had been a secret Washington meeting and a ban on certain guns in the US, and he posted a similar message (to continue the conspiracy theme). He'd have probably been terminated within five minutes.
 
2012-07-20 08:54:16 PM

sprawl15: sprawl15: magusdevil: And they couldn't even get their shiat together enough do that?

Yup. Basically the hullabaloo only affected lazy people who were trying to get around the law on a technicality.

To expand upon this, basically California decided to make SKS models that accepted a magazine illegal. They did this by passing a law that listed every model that could accept a magazine. People with these rifles had to register them as grandfathered under the law, or they would become illegal. The problem was, there were people that bought models that didn't accept a magazine but modified them to accept one. Some DA told them that those rifles were legal to own, which eventually made its way to the courts (since a guy was being charged for illegally owning a magazine-accepting SKS) and they ruled that those were in fact illegal. California then offered several rounds of amnesty, first letting them register their weapons as grandfathered, later letting them just drop them off like an amnesty box to be paid for it. Eventually, the courts ruled that too many rounds were offered and told California to cut them off. The illegal nature of the rifles could also be stopped by modifying them back to not accept a magazine.

At this point, it's only people who modified their own rifles, didn't grandfather them, didn't accept several variations of amnesty, and who refused to modify their guns back who were informed that they were in violation of the law. The 'registration' argument doesn't even make technical sense - when you register your firearm, it's not modded at that point. It's only later that it becomes modded.

TL;DR: sponge is full of shiat, and sounds like one of the aforementioned stupid/lazy people


I have you favorited as "Supreme Commander in the Battle of Minutae" because usually you go on and on, rambling about the most insignificant of details. Sometimes you're funny, sometimes simply irritating. But in this case, your details were very informative and illuminating as to the line that Sponge was attempting to sell. So for that, thank you. That's why you will continue to be favorited, rather than ignored even though you usually just annoy me. Once again, thanks for the info.
 
2012-07-20 08:59:24 PM

Mikey1969: And Louie? If there WAS anyone armed there, I'm glad they obviously showed more restraint than you would have.


Oh please. The only gun that Louie would've fired is his pee shooter.
 
2012-07-20 09:02:14 PM
i have an AR configured in an M16A2-style, I'm a vet, it's sentimental. That being said, I would gladly give it up if it would stop massacres such as this one. Unfortunately, it won't. Being from CT I grew up hearing of the Hartford Circus Fire
 
2012-07-20 09:04:58 PM

sprawl15: TL;DR: sponge is full of shiat, and sounds like one of the aforementioned stupid/lazy people



Well f*ck you too.

And it's nice to know that you're okay with rights being taken away as long as it's done via a process of convoluted legal maneuvers.
 
2012-07-20 09:07:18 PM

mongbiohazard: In fact, without even Googling a source I'd bet you that drunk drivers commit homicide on a FAR more vast scale then all shootings each year.


How much we betting here...?
 
2012-07-20 09:07:59 PM

sprawl15: Some DA told them that those rifles were legal to own,



Some DA? More like the AG.
 
2012-07-20 09:11:00 PM

qorkfiend: Gyrfalcon: qorkfiend: shotglasss: Late to this one, but Brian Ross and ABC "News" went so far off the deep end, no one will ever come close to them. Going on a TEA Party page, finding a similar name, then accusing that person of being the shooter was the most asinine thing I've ever seen.

That's not actually what happened. We can look at the actual quote:

ROSS: There's a Jim Holmes of Aurora, Colo., page on the Colorado Tea Party site as well, talking about him joining the tea party last year. Now, we don't know if this is the same Jim Holmes. But it's Jim Holmes of Aurora, Colo.

O FOR F*CKS SAKE.

Did you want something?


Yes.

I want to live on a different planet.
 
2012-07-20 09:18:19 PM

WI241TH: I have an addition to the list. My father was listening to Sean Hannity today, who started a sentence off with, "If I had been there..." then beat around the bush a little bit and started again, "If there was a responsible gun user there, this could have been very different."


Statistically, there WERE SEVERAL responsible gun users in that theater.

In this case, "responsible" means not bringing a firearm into a crowded, dark, enclosed space where it has more potential to do harm than good.

Somebody's face-punchability just leveled up.
 
2012-07-20 09:18:43 PM

LasersHurt: shotglasss: Late to this one, but Brian Ross and ABC "News" went so far off the deep end, no one will ever come close to them. Going on a TEA Party page, finding a similar name, then accusing that person of being the shooter was the most asinine thing I've ever seen.

Yeah, thinking it might be a guy with the same name from the same place is "off the deep end."

It was bad reporting, sure, but "off the deep end" is off the deep end.


Nate Silver came in on Twitter saying there were some 25 guys in that town with that name.

'Hey, there's a guy named John Smith at the door with this weird flashy pen thing.'
'The same John Smith that Pocahontas fell in love with? LET HIM IN I WANT HIS AUTOGRAPH!'
 
2012-07-20 09:22:15 PM

poot_rootbeer: WI241TH: I have an addition to the list. My father was listening to Sean Hannity today, who started a sentence off with, "If I had been there..." then beat around the bush a little bit and started again, "If there was a responsible gun user there, this could have been very different."

Statistically, there WERE SEVERAL responsible gun users in that theater.

In this case, "responsible" means not bringing a firearm into a crowded, dark, enclosed space where it has more potential to do harm than good.

Somebody's face-punchability just leveled up.


From the way the survivors told it, it didn't matter how many gun owners were in the theater because at first they all thought the shooter was part of the show. It was a midnight screening for a big movie; they all thought this was just something extra tossed in. By the time they realized 'holy shiat, this guy's actually firing at us', people were already dead.
 
2012-07-20 09:23:15 PM

Gyrfalcon: qorkfiend: Gyrfalcon: qorkfiend: shotglasss: Late to this one, but Brian Ross and ABC "News" went so far off the deep end, no one will ever come close to them. Going on a TEA Party page, finding a similar name, then accusing that person of being the shooter was the most asinine thing I've ever seen.

That's not actually what happened. We can look at the actual quote:

ROSS: There's a Jim Holmes of Aurora, Colo., page on the Colorado Tea Party site as well, talking about him joining the tea party last year. Now, we don't know if this is the same Jim Holmes. But it's Jim Holmes of Aurora, Colo.

O FOR F*CKS SAKE.

Did you want something?

Yes.

I want to live on a different planet.


OK. "Poof" You live on "Eurythmia". Now dance, motherf^^ker.
 
2012-07-20 09:36:48 PM
Went to see TDKR across the highway from Columbine High at the Highlands Ranch AMC 24. Maybe 10 people in a 280 seat auditorium. Parking lot barely 1/4 full on a Friday evening. Surreal atmosphere. Movie was good; allegory for our times I guess.
 
2012-07-20 09:40:44 PM

readbot42: Went to see TDKR across the highway from Columbine High at the Highlands Ranch AMC 24. Maybe 10 people in a 280 seat auditorium. Parking lot barely 1/4 full on a Friday evening. Surreal atmosphere. Movie was good; allegory for our times I guess.



:-(
 
2012-07-20 09:41:37 PM

readbot42: Went to see TDKR across the highway from Columbine High at the Highlands Ranch AMC 24. Maybe 10 people in a 280 seat auditorium. Parking lot barely 1/4 full on a Friday evening. Surreal atmosphere. Movie was good; allegory for our times I guess.


Was fairly crowded for a noon matinee where I live.
 
2012-07-20 09:42:28 PM

Fark It: Gohmert is competing against Mayor Bloomberg, so he has to bring out the big derp.

The bodies are still warm people, we have a long way to go.


Gohmert and Bloomberg have to be without a doubt some of the most awful people in American politics. While there are differences between them (guns and gays) they're both authoritatian douchebags
 
2012-07-20 09:42:54 PM
I'm late to the party here and didn't RTFA or nothin', but as soon as I saw that headline I just knew I had to drop in to voice my support: if'n there's some idioting to be done, Louie Gohmert's your man.
 
2012-07-20 09:43:24 PM

readbot42: Went to see TDKR across the highway from Columbine High at the Highlands Ranch AMC 24. Maybe 10 people in a 280 seat auditorium. Parking lot barely 1/4 full on a Friday evening. Surreal atmosphere. Movie was good; allegory for our times I guess.


I can't really blame them. This has been a shocking event and now we're all hoping no jackarse tries to copycat.
 
2012-07-20 09:43:50 PM

Gosling: From the way the survivors told it, it didn't matter how many gun owners were in the theater because at first they all thought the shooter was part of the show.


Understandable mistake. He had his hair dyed red like the Joker.
 
2012-07-20 09:59:01 PM

Codenamechaz: Quasar: "It does make me wonder, with all those people in the theater, was there nobody that was carrying a gun that could have stopped this guy more quickly?"

He's got a point. I mean, establishing a crossfire in a dark room filled with tear gas seems like a reasonable alternative.

Are you suggesting it would be difficult to wound a target wearing a bullet proof vest and gas mask, wielding an assault rifle, shotgun and several pistols in the middle of a darkly lit theater while your eyes and lungs are being burned by tear gas?


No, it would be easy! Guns are defensive weapons, don'cha know?
 
2012-07-20 10:02:42 PM

WizardofToast: readbot42: Went to see TDKR across the highway from Columbine High at the Highlands Ranch AMC 24. Maybe 10 people in a 280 seat auditorium. Parking lot barely 1/4 full on a Friday evening. Surreal atmosphere. Movie was good; allegory for our times I guess.

I can't really blame them. This has been a shocking event and now we're all hoping no jackarse tries to copycat.


Understandable. I went to confront my years long struggle with anxiety. And as a symbolic gesture for myself. A fark you, 'fear,' kind of thing. :-\
 
2012-07-20 10:06:55 PM

LasersHurt: TimSTP: [static1.firedoglake.com image 690x662]

I can't tell what blog that's from, yet I know it sucks.


...uh, FireDogLake.
 
2012-07-20 10:13:13 PM

Corvus: Yuri Futanari: Publikwerks: Quasar: "It does make me wonder, with all those people in the theater, was there nobody that was carrying a gun that could have stopped this guy more quickly?"

He's got a point. I mean, establishing a crossfire in a dark room filled with tear gas seems like a reasonable alternative.

Well, since everyone would be running towards the isles and away from the shooter, You would have a pretty clear shot on him(The chance of hitting someone else would be less). And maybe this draws fire away from the people running away. So maybe less die.

Put it this way - He got to execute his plan. Nobody slowed him up, and he left the theater of his own accord, and the police got him outside. Anything anyone could have done to slow up his plan might have saved lives.

How would you identify the threat among the four other CCW holders who are also trying to find the shooter in a dark, confusing theater filling with teargas? Do you guys have some sort of hand signal that you can use so you know that the figure you see holding a gun down the aisle is one of the good guys and not the one shooting or an accomplice?

Yep just asked that too. I ask that in all these. Never found an answer.

I have "well they are holding their gun threatening" which makes no sense. I mean the bad guy can just hold it not threatening and someone shooting at home would sure be holding it threatening.


That is because there isn't one. Indeed, if memory serves when Jared Lee Loogie (or whatever) shot that lady in Arizona there was a man who was armed who ALMOST shot the people who tackled the perp by accident. He had decent fire control and didn't pull the trigger but he admitted it was close. In a "crazed gunman" situation the only time being armed helps is if everyone who is has a means of avoiding friendly fire. Like only one bystander being armed or the bad guy being clearly visible and obviously the bad guy, like if he wears a shirt saying, "I am a bad guy."

But you aren't meant to think this through, you are simply supposed to take whatever stupid shiat he says and say, "YEAH! them libtarded libbies are libtarded! Cold dead hands! Cold dead hands! Nuance is for sissies!"
 
2012-07-20 10:22:43 PM

Fry's 100th Cup of Coffee: mongbiohazard: magusdevil: You're absolutely right. If a person intentionally plows into a crowd of people with a car that was designed specifically for killing a crowd of people, you're metaphor would be dead accurate.


I don't see how it matters to the metaphor either way. They're both potentially destructive tools, which create large amounts of force - though the car certainly creates much more. In fact, the car is potentially the more destructive of the two I'd argue... but because the car is the one you're more familiar with that's the one that scares you less.

He also used tear gas to facilitate his murders too. Do you propose we outlaw tear gas as well because someone might hatch a scheme to use it - and a gas mask - to help him incapacitate people so he can stab a bunch to death? What if he'd barred the doors closed and used a simple mixture of ammonia and chlorine to kill them, should we then outlaw household cleaners? Ridiculous.

Any tool is just a TOOL. It's the human wielding it which causes calamity and human beings have proven to be able to be very creative with how we bring harm to others. But set that gun on a table, leave that car in the driveway, put that hammer on the ground.... and you can come back 1,000 years later and none of them will have killed anything at all.

This guy was very methodical with what he did, and the fact that he used tear gas in his attack pretty clearly shows that he was plenty willing to be creative with the tools he used. We should be glad that he didn't use bombs, because he certainly could have killed even more people that way. But in the end it's the killer who is responsible, and focusing on the specific tool employed is a complete exercise in futility and misdirection.

The only reason we do it is because we struggle to find something to blame, even if it makes no sense, because the alternative - facing the fact that we live in a world where one dedicated nutcase can kill some people if they really try is less s ...


News flash: people have been killing each other well before the invention of the gun. Attitudes like yous, that blame gun ownership, are the real problem because it ignores the true problem - crazy people with no moral compass.

The hypocritical liberal attitude that hates the prohibition on drugs, but would love a prohibition of guns is ludicrous. Both ignore the larger societal issues that cause people to escape reality and deal with their issues through violence.
 
2012-07-20 10:28:57 PM
Just heard from Aurora chief of police that the dude had a 100 round drum magazine for the AR15 knockoff....3000 rounds of .223 and another 3000 rounds of 40 cal and shotgun ammo all bought in the last few weeks.

Dude spent an awful lot of money leading up to this. That doesn't fall in neither Teabagger nor OWS normal demographics.
 
2012-07-20 10:33:01 PM

HotWingConspiracy: No amount of propaganda and graft can keep a lid on this shiat forever.


That level of optimism is just adorable.
 
2012-07-20 10:34:11 PM

Mearen: News flash: people have been killing each other well before the invention of the gun. Attitudes like yous, that blame gun ownership, are the real problem because it ignores the true problem - crazy people with no moral compass.

The hypocritical liberal attitude that hates the prohibition on drugs, but would love a prohibition of guns is ludicrous. Both ignore the larger societal issues that cause people to escape reality and deal with their issues through violence.


Yeah what we need are some good GOP leaders who really care about the mentally ill. So, what were you saying about addressing the problem of crazy people you ignorant twit?
 
2012-07-20 10:41:11 PM

mongbiohazard: magusdevil: You're absolutely right. If a person intentionally plows into a crowd of people with a car that was designed specifically for killing a crowd of people, you're metaphor would be dead accurate.


I don't see how it matters to the metaphor either way. They're both potentially destructive tools, which create large amounts of force - though the car certainly creates much more. In fact, the car is potentially the more destructive of the two I'd argue... but because the car is the one you're more familiar with that's the one that scares you less.

He also used tear gas to facilitate his murders too. Do you propose we outlaw tear gas as well because someone might hatch a scheme to use it - and a gas mask - to help him incapacitate people so he can stab a bunch to death? What if he'd barred the doors closed and used a simple mixture of ammonia and chlorine to kill them, should we then outlaw household cleaners? Ridiculous.

Any tool is just a TOOL. It's the human wielding it which causes calamity and human beings have proven to be able to be very creative with how we bring harm to others. But set that gun on a table, leave that car in the driveway, put that hammer on the ground.... and you can come back 1,000 years later and none of them will have killed anything at all.

This guy was very methodical with what he did, and the fact that he used tear gas in his attack pretty clearly shows that he was plenty willing to be creative with the tools he used. We should be glad that he didn't use bombs, because he certainly could have killed even more people that way. But in the end it's the killer who is responsible, and focusing on the specific tool employed is a complete exercise in futility and misdirection.

The only reason we do it is because we struggle to find something to blame, even if it makes no sense, because the alternative - facing the fact that we live in a world where one dedicated nutcase can kill some people if they really try is less satisfying then finding a scapegoat to blame. Even moreso when that scapegoat is inanimate and so can't even argue on it's own behalf, so you don't have to feel bad about misdirecting your anger at it.


Actually, yes... i am personally fine with banning tear gas. I can't really think of a legitimate reason for civilians to have it.
 
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