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2012-07-20 04:23:17 PM  

mongbiohazard: BSABSVR: mongbiohazard: The Police Commissioner of NYC

Is he suggesting more stop-n-frisk?


The clip of him I heard on the radio was him talking about how this shows how we need to restrict guns in this country, and that it's entirely too easy to get a gun, and there are 200 million of them in America which means there are already too many of them and blah blah blah... Typical reactionist stupidity.

Doesn't even realize that by saying that he is contradicting his own assertion. If there are 200 million guns, then even if we accept his premise that the gun was responsible for the crime (which I don't) 1 gun was the problem and he thinks that means we should eliminate the other 199,999,999 of them from private ownership because of that one. When someone intentionally plows in to a crowd of people with their car the response shouldn't be to eliminate cars or make them more difficult for people to own. It's preposterous.


You're absolutely right. If a person intentionally plows into a crowd of people with a car that was designed specifically for killing a crowd of people, you're metaphor would be dead accurate.
 
2012-07-20 04:23:58 PM  
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2012-07-20 04:24:29 PM  

sprawl15: Basily Gourt: Brian Ross ABC news:

STEPHANOPOULOS: I'm going to go to Brian Ross. You've been investigating the background of Jim Holmes here. You found something that might be significant.
ROSS: There's a Jim Holmes of Aurora, Colo., page on the Colorado Tea Party site as well, talking about him joining the tea party last year. Now, we don't know if this is the same Jim Holmes. But it's Jim Holmes of Aurora, Colo.
STEPHANOPOULOS: OK, we'll keep looking at that. Brian Ross thanks very much.

HISTORY'S GREATEST MONSTER


No, but that's incredibly irresponsible 'journalism' brought about by the way news programs are less interested in reporting facts and more interested in having an exciting scoop.
 
vpb [TotalFark]
2012-07-20 04:25:08 PM  

keylock71: This thread is silly... And we should all feel silly for posting in it. : )


So when has that ever stopped us?
 
2012-07-20 04:25:32 PM  

Captain_Ballbeard: spmkk: 'Quasar: "It does make me wonder, with all those people in the theater, was there nobody that was carrying a gun that could have stopped this guy more quickly?"

He's got a point. I mean, establishing a crossfire in a dark room filled with tear gas seems like a reasonable alternative.'


Even in the worst case, that would have a 50% chance of disabling the shooter, and a nearly-0% chance of killing more people than he did.


Do you even understand what words mean?


Worst case he would have killed the shooter, best case Obama is impeached for being a Muslim. Stupid DIMbocrud.
 
2012-07-20 04:25:47 PM  

you are a puppet: Did he explain how exactly this was an attack on judeo-christian values, because otherwise that statement just reminds me of this:

Homer: But Marge, I was a political prisoner.
Marge: How were you a political prisoner?
Homer: I kicked a giant mouse in the butt! Do I have to draw you a diagram?


Since he's a Republican, I'm sure that the values that he feels are under attack are a betrayal of the teachings of Christ.
 
2012-07-20 04:26:12 PM  

Basily Gourt: Yep, not like people in the media aren't exploiting this for all it's worth.


Yeah, curse the news media for being all newsy. Farking bastards, right?

Furthermore, how DARE they exploit this as a "gun issue". Next thing you know, they'll be reporting on airport/airline safety whenever someone tries to blow up a plane. THE NERVE!
 
2012-07-20 04:26:33 PM  

magusdevil: mongbiohazard: BSABSVR: mongbiohazard: The Police Commissioner of NYC

Is he suggesting more stop-n-frisk?


The clip of him I heard on the radio was him talking about how this shows how we need to restrict guns in this country, and that it's entirely too easy to get a gun, and there are 200 million of them in America which means there are already too many of them and blah blah blah... Typical reactionist stupidity.

Doesn't even realize that by saying that he is contradicting his own assertion. If there are 200 million guns, then even if we accept his premise that the gun was responsible for the crime (which I don't) 1 gun was the problem and he thinks that means we should eliminate the other 199,999,999 of them from private ownership because of that one. When someone intentionally plows in to a crowd of people with their car the response shouldn't be to eliminate cars or make them more difficult for people to own. It's preposterous.

You're absolutely right. If a person intentionally plows into a crowd of people with a car that was designed specifically for killing a crowd of people, you're your metaphor would be dead accurate.


goddamnit.
 
2012-07-20 04:26:39 PM  

Quasar: No, but that's incredibly irresponsible 'journalism' brought about by the way news programs are less interested in reporting facts and more interested in having an exciting scoop.


Seriously. I hate the Tea Party as much as anyone, but just... Jesus Christ that's irresponsible journalism.
 
2012-07-20 04:27:43 PM  

Quasar: "It does make me wonder, with all those people in the theater, was there nobody that was carrying a gun that could have stopped this guy more quickly?"

He's got a point. I mean, establishing a crossfire in a dark room filled with tear gas seems like a reasonable alternative.


I can see the Onion headline now

"Theater turned into cool western shootout when assailant opened fire and multiple people not knowing who the gunman was started firing on each other." "It was like a western shootout in one of those movies Grandpa always watches." says orphaned 8 year old Billy Everykid
 
2012-07-20 04:27:47 PM  

Quasar: sprawl15: Basily Gourt: Brian Ross ABC news:

STEPHANOPOULOS: I'm going to go to Brian Ross. You've been investigating the background of Jim Holmes here. You found something that might be significant.
ROSS: There's a Jim Holmes of Aurora, Colo., page on the Colorado Tea Party site as well, talking about him joining the tea party last year. Now, we don't know if this is the same Jim Holmes. But it's Jim Holmes of Aurora, Colo.
STEPHANOPOULOS: OK, we'll keep looking at that. Brian Ross thanks very much.

HISTORY'S GREATEST MONSTER

No, but that's incredibly irresponsible 'journalism' brought about by the way news programs are less interested in reporting facts and more interested in having an exciting scoop.


They aren't interested in journalism, and the sooner we get that through our collective skulls, the better... this is newstainment... just like fark... they're all about clicks, nielsen ratings, and revenue dollars... this is a business, not a public service. Their goal is to keep you tuned, not to inform you.
 
2012-07-20 04:28:20 PM  
This happened in my hometown so excuse me if my arguments are emotional. I woke up this morning and had to call all of my family and friends to make sure they were not dead.

These are my thoughts.

1. People massacred in a public area is a political issue. Stop whining about it, it does matter what affiliations this guy had, it does matter if he needed mental help and didn't receive it, it does matter where he got his guns, and gun control groups should use this incident as a rallying call.

2. I was never for gun control (columbine was our rival when attended highschool and the shootings occurred) but today I completely changed my political opinion on it. Maybe its because I am older and see the stupidity of the situation, this act was so random, it wasn't a highschool bullying thing, it was just a guy that went to a random theater and shot up strangers.
 
2012-07-20 04:29:00 PM  

Petit_Merdeux: Exactly!

There would have been a lot of collateral damage, but they would be heroes that were killed by bullets of freedom!

And as such they would have been eligible for a full military funeral! *


Do you have even a single incident as evidence to suggest that legally armed citizens defending themselves or others resulted in a net increase in deaths (not including the deaths of bad guys)?
 
2012-07-20 04:29:09 PM  

Gosling: I've just turned off MSNBC's coverage of the shooting, for the crime of taking Obama and Romney's comments on the shooting and pausing their respective campaigns to go into mutual mourning, and speculating about the political horserace impact of same.

Seriously, MSNBC? Fark you. Until the handle falls off.


WELL IT'S IMPORTANT TO KNOW WHO THE REAL VICTIMS ARE:

FARTBONGO AND FARTROMNEY
 
2012-07-20 04:29:29 PM  

Quasar: No, but that's incredibly irresponsible 'journalism' brought about by the way news programs are less interested in reporting facts and more interested in having an exciting scoop.


All they reported were facts. There's a guy with the same name in the city this happened. He's a teabagger. He may or may not be the same guy. They'll let us know later.

Shocking.
 
2012-07-20 04:29:52 PM  

WizardofToast: "Y u no use gun" is really a bad argument given


Given the fact that things don't always work to the convenience of those being attacked.
If these people knew there would be a shoot out at that theater, they would have stayed at home. There isn't much you can do against being ambushed in a crowd. But that doesn't mean people don't deserve a fighting chance.

This is like making an argument against fire extinguishers by pointing out that no one, not one fire extinguisher owner, was able to stop the Colorado Wildfires.
Fact is that fate conspired against them.
...But lets not take into account the difficulty of the situation or the root cause of this tragedy. Lets use this emotionally charged moment to renegotiate your rights.
 
2012-07-20 04:29:59 PM  

Gosling: I've just turned off MSNBC's coverage of the shooting, for the crime of taking Obama and Romney's comments on the shooting and pausing their respective campaigns to go into mutual mourning, and speculating about the political horserace impact of same.

Seriously, MSNBC? Fark you. Until the handle falls off.


You turned them off because of what? Dispassionate analysis? I don't get it.
 
2012-07-20 04:30:03 PM  
I'm sure the person responsible for the NRA twitter posting did not know about the shooting. But look at the time on the feed -- 9:20 AM. Considering that the shooting occurred at 12:30 AM Aurora time -- 2:30 AM East Coast, and it was allover the news it's could to know that the NRA person spent the entire morning under a rock.
 
2012-07-20 04:30:20 PM  
The attack on Judeo-Christian values was essentially there from the mere fact "Ra's Al Ghul", a muslimy-sounding name, was mentioned several times throughout TDKR. Good Colorado Christians were tempted by the Dark Side - Christopher Nolan - and were thus inundated by Muslimy things, which is why the shooting took place about 45 minutes into the movie - just at the part where Bruce Wayne orders falafel. Those Christians were on the path to Islamajihadatopia and had to be put down.
 
2012-07-20 04:31:40 PM  

runwiz: I'm sure the person responsible for the NRA twitter posting did not know about the shooting. But look at the time on the feed -- 9:20 AM. Considering that the shooting occurred at 12:30 AM Aurora time -- 2:30 AM East Coast, and it was allover the news it's could to know that the NRA person spent the entire morning under a rock.


Where else would you expect someone with their political beliefs to be? Sipping a latte in a Starbucks? shiate. How about sniffing some glue in the stationary aisle of Wal-mart.
 
2012-07-20 04:32:24 PM  

coeyagi: runwiz: I'm sure the person responsible for the NRA twitter posting did not know about the shooting. But look at the time on the feed -- 9:20 AM. Considering that the shooting occurred at 12:30 AM Aurora time -- 2:30 AM East Coast, and it was allover the news it's could to know that the NRA person spent the entire morning under a rock.

Where else would you expect someone with their political beliefs to be? Sipping a latte in a Starbucks? shiate. How about sniffing some glue in the stationary aisle of Wal-mart.


Getting back from their hunt?
 
2012-07-20 04:32:50 PM  

Alphax: You turned them off because of what? Dispassionate analysis? I don't get it.


Because they took what everyone with a brain is regarding as completely, totally apolitical, that both candidates have agreed is apolitical to the point where both of them are pulling their ads out of Colorado until further notice, and responding with 'So how does this affect the race?' That is the LAST question that ought to be on their minds. Take the hint and let an apolitical event be an apolitical event. For God's sake.
 
2012-07-20 04:33:05 PM  

coeyagi: The attack on Judeo-Christian values was essentially there from the mere fact "Ra's Al Ghul", a muslimy-sounding name, was mentioned several times throughout TDKR. Good Colorado Christians were tempted by the Dark Side - Christopher Nolan - and were thus inundated by Muslimy things, which is why the shooting took place about 45 minutes into the movie - just at the part where Bruce Wayne orders falafel. Those Christians were on the path to Islamajihadatopia and had to be put down.


media.desura.com

The Joker was a chaos-worshippping heretic, and his twisted ideas made the minds of Chris Nolan fans impure.
 
2012-07-20 04:33:28 PM  

SacriliciousBeerSwiller: Basily Gourt: Yep, not like people in the media aren't exploiting this for all it's worth.

Yeah, curse the news media for being all newsy. Farking bastards, right?

Furthermore, how DARE they exploit this as a "gun issue". Next thing you know, they'll be reporting on airport/airline safety whenever someone tries to blow up a plane. THE NERVE!


And there's the problem in a nutshell. Instead of digging deep and trying to find out what the fark is really happening to our society, arseholes on BOTH sides (that's right) try to sidetrack the conversation using a convenient scapegoat.

Gawd forbid we start talking about what is really wrong with society today. Neither the dems or repubs want to have that conversation out in the open. The torches and pitchforks might come out.
 
2012-07-20 04:33:32 PM  

hammettman: Decados: Quasar: Codenamechaz: Quasar: "It does make me wonder, with all those people in the theater, was there nobody that was carrying a gun that could have stopped this guy more quickly?"

He's got a point. I mean, establishing a crossfire in a dark room filled with tear gas seems like a reasonable alternative.

Are you suggesting it would be difficult to wound a target wearing a bullet proof vest and gas mask, wielding an assault rifle, shotgun and several pistols in the middle of a darkly lit theater while your eyes and lungs are being burned by tear gas?

I think if several heroic bystanders just started firing towards muzzle flashes, the situation would resolve itself rapidly.

Yeah, and just imagine if they managed to hit a kid.. or of the police came in and mistook our 'heroic bystander' for the shooter.

A responsible gun owner will only fire their weapon if they are confident of their target and their surroundings. It's the gun owners who use their weapons as penis extensions who get stiffies at the thought of a running gun battle with an armed gunman, in dark and chaotic circumstances.

Since "responsible" gun owners only vote republican one has to wonder why they are afraid of enacting laws to determine if potential gun owners are actually responsible. In fact, they are the loudest to shriek whenever any type of gun regulation is proposed. Arizona has some really swell gun laws, if you're a half-wit looking to acquire some assault rifles.


It's also worth pointing out that the same Republicans pushing so hard for voter ID laws to prevent the fraud unicorn from manifesting have such a concern for the polls but don't give two shiats about making sure some some schizophrenic off his meds can't pickup an assault rifle. Because you know, that would be infringing on his freedom or something.
 
2012-07-20 04:33:38 PM  

runwiz: I'm sure the person responsible for the NRA twitter posting did not know about the shooting. But look at the time on the feed -- 9:20 AM. Considering that the shooting occurred at 12:30 AM Aurora time -- 2:30 AM East Coast, and it was allover the news it's could to know that the NRA person spent the entire morning under a rock.


Gotta say, you'd think the N fnckin' RA would've received a tweet about it or something.
 
2012-07-20 04:33:53 PM  

the_geek: Petit_Merdeux: Exactly!

There would have been a lot of collateral damage, but they would be heroes that were killed by bullets of freedom!

And as such they would have been eligible for a full military funeral! *

Do you have even a single incident as evidence to suggest that legally armed citizens defending themselves or others resulted in a net increase in deaths (not including the deaths of bad guys)?


Do you consider Trayvon Martin a "bad guy"?
 
2012-07-20 04:34:07 PM  

sprawl15: coeyagi: runwiz: I'm sure the person responsible for the NRA twitter posting did not know about the shooting. But look at the time on the feed -- 9:20 AM. Considering that the shooting occurred at 12:30 AM Aurora time -- 2:30 AM East Coast, and it was allover the news it's could to know that the NRA person spent the entire morning under a rock.

Where else would you expect someone with their political beliefs to be? Sipping a latte in a Starbucks? shiate. How about sniffing some glue in the stationary aisle of Wal-mart.

Getting back from their hunt?


2.bp.blogspot.com

If CNN / Google Alerts don't work in your den, you'd better start thinking about getting a better ISP.
 
2012-07-20 04:34:26 PM  

PDid: 2. I was never for gun control (columbine was our rival when attended highschool and the shootings occurred) but today I completely changed my political opinion on it. Maybe its because I am older and see the stupidity of the situation, this act was so random, it wasn't a highschool bullying thing, it was just a guy that went to a random theater and shot up strangers.


It's all about geography. If I told you that someone was run over by a car that went through a red light you probably aren't going to care. If you see someone get run over by a car that runs a red light, particularly if the person who dies is related to you or a friend, you're much more likely to become a anti-red light runner activist. Please pardon the rest of us as we ignore your knee-jerk emotional response and continue to focus on things that kill many more people senselessly in this country and around the world.
 
2012-07-20 04:36:00 PM  

the_geek: PDid: 2. I was never for gun control (columbine was our rival when attended highschool and the shootings occurred) but today I completely changed my political opinion on it. Maybe its because I am older and see the stupidity of the situation, this act was so random, it wasn't a highschool bullying thing, it was just a guy that went to a random theater and shot up strangers.

It's all about geography. If I told you that someone was run over by a car that went through a red light you probably aren't going to care. If you see someone get run over by a car that runs a red light, particularly if the person who dies is related to you or a friend, you're much more likely to become a anti-red light runner activist. Please pardon the rest of us as we ignore your knee-jerk emotional response and continue to focus on things that kill many more people senselessly in this country and around the world.


Most other stuff that kills a lot of people does so accidentally. Important.
 
2012-07-20 04:36:02 PM  

the_geek: Petit_Merdeux: Exactly!

There would have been a lot of collateral damage, but they would be heroes that were killed by bullets of freedom!

And as such they would have been eligible for a full military funeral! *

Do you have even a single incident as evidence to suggest that legally armed citizens defending themselves or others resulted in a net increase in deaths (not including the deaths of bad guys)?


Have you been living under a rock for the past three months? Do the names George Zimmermann or Trayvon Martin ring any bells?
 
2012-07-20 04:36:13 PM  

coeyagi: sprawl15: coeyagi: runwiz: I'm sure the person responsible for the NRA twitter posting did not know about the shooting. But look at the time on the feed -- 9:20 AM. Considering that the shooting occurred at 12:30 AM Aurora time -- 2:30 AM East Coast, and it was allover the news it's could to know that the NRA person spent the entire morning under a rock.

Where else would you expect someone with their political beliefs to be? Sipping a latte in a Starbucks? shiate. How about sniffing some glue in the stationary aisle of Wal-mart.

Getting back from their hunt?

[2.bp.blogspot.com image 450x258]

If CNN / Google Alerts don't work in your den, you'd better start thinking about getting a better ISP.


I'm pretty sure a CNN news alert from the incident would read "MASS RESURRECTION AT COLORADO MOVIE THEATER" for about 8 minutes.
 
2012-07-20 04:36:55 PM  

coeyagi: sprawl15: coeyagi: runwiz: I'm sure the person responsible for the NRA twitter posting did not know about the shooting. But look at the time on the feed -- 9:20 AM. Considering that the shooting occurred at 12:30 AM Aurora time -- 2:30 AM East Coast, and it was allover the news it's could to know that the NRA person spent the entire morning under a rock.

Where else would you expect someone with their political beliefs to be? Sipping a latte in a Starbucks? shiate. How about sniffing some glue in the stationary aisle of Wal-mart.

Getting back from their hunt?

[2.bp.blogspot.com image 450x258]

If CNN / Google Alerts don't work in your den, you'd better start thinking about getting a better ISP.


It's likely lined with tinfoil to prevent Obama's jackbooted thugs with X-Ray machines from scanning for Real Americans.
 
2012-07-20 04:37:31 PM  

Gosling: Alphax: You turned them off because of what? Dispassionate analysis? I don't get it.

Because they took what everyone with a brain is regarding as completely, totally apolitical, that both candidates have agreed is apolitical to the point where both of them are pulling their ads out of Colorado until further notice, and responding with 'So how does this affect the race?' That is the LAST question that ought to be on their minds. Take the hint and let an apolitical event be an apolitical event. For God's sake.


Would you rather they asked Snooki for her thoughts on the situation? Ran more Missing Child stories? Or just keep running the original report nonstop for the next week? I can think of many worse options, more pointless options.
 
2012-07-20 04:37:32 PM  
Was was Ghomert not a front-runner for the GOP presidential nomination?
 
2012-07-20 04:38:07 PM  

Flab: the_geek: Petit_Merdeux: Exactly!

There would have been a lot of collateral damage, but they would be heroes that were killed by bullets of freedom!

And as such they would have been eligible for a full military funeral! *

Do you have even a single incident as evidence to suggest that legally armed citizens defending themselves or others resulted in a net increase in deaths (not including the deaths of bad guys)?

Have you been living under a rock for the past three months? Do the names George Zimmermann or Trayvon Martin ring any bells?


There are other cases, as well, of "Stand your ground" style laws resulting in shootings. Those shootings would not have otherwise happened. There was the guy who shot his neighbors for having loud music on, thinking he was "standing his ground" (on their property, when they were unarmed).
 
2012-07-20 04:38:10 PM  

Apocalyptic Inferno: Was was Ghomert not a front-runner for the GOP presidential nomination?


That is, how was Ghomert not a front-runner?
 
2012-07-20 04:38:57 PM  

Apocalyptic Inferno: Was was Ghomert not a front-runner for the GOP presidential nomination?


Though he's definitely got the wingnut credentials... I don't think he was.
 
2012-07-20 04:39:18 PM  
Dear Voters in the State of Texas (1st District):

What the f*ck is wrong with you??? Jesus-Tapdancing-on-a-Cracker..... WHAT IN THE BLUE-BALLED F*CK IS WRRRROOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOONNNNNNNNNNNNG WITH YOU???????

Yours in Christ..... Rann
 
2012-07-20 04:39:34 PM  

tenpoundsofcheese: I thought this was already won by the news organizations that reported that he was a member of the Tea Party.

Not realizing that there are more than one person named John Holmes in the world.


Watching the right-wing media pretend like they are bastions of moral authority and accurate news reporting is pretty hilarious. ABC shouldn't have done that, but let's not pretend like any right-wing blog or "news" channel has any authority to criticize them for "just asking questions".
 
2012-07-20 04:40:08 PM  

magusdevil: You're absolutely right. If a person intentionally plows into a crowd of people with a car that was designed specifically for killing a crowd of people, you're metaphor would be dead accurate.



I don't see how it matters to the metaphor either way. They're both potentially destructive tools, which create large amounts of force - though the car certainly creates much more. In fact, the car is potentially the more destructive of the two I'd argue... but because the car is the one you're more familiar with that's the one that scares you less.

He also used tear gas to facilitate his murders too. Do you propose we outlaw tear gas as well because someone might hatch a scheme to use it - and a gas mask - to help him incapacitate people so he can stab a bunch to death? What if he'd barred the doors closed and used a simple mixture of ammonia and chlorine to kill them, should we then outlaw household cleaners? Ridiculous.

Any tool is just a TOOL. It's the human wielding it which causes calamity and human beings have proven to be able to be very creative with how we bring harm to others. But set that gun on a table, leave that car in the driveway, put that hammer on the ground.... and you can come back 1,000 years later and none of them will have killed anything at all.

This guy was very methodical with what he did, and the fact that he used tear gas in his attack pretty clearly shows that he was plenty willing to be creative with the tools he used. We should be glad that he didn't use bombs, because he certainly could have killed even more people that way. But in the end it's the killer who is responsible, and focusing on the specific tool employed is a complete exercise in futility and misdirection.

The only reason we do it is because we struggle to find something to blame, even if it makes no sense, because the alternative - facing the fact that we live in a world where one dedicated nutcase can kill some people if they really try is less satisfying then finding a scapegoat to blame. Even moreso when that scapegoat is inanimate and so can't even argue on it's own behalf, so you don't have to feel bad about misdirecting your anger at it.
 
2012-07-20 04:42:37 PM  

Apocalyptic Inferno: Apocalyptic Inferno: Was was Ghomert not a front-runner for the GOP presidential nomination?

That is, how was Ghomert not a front-runner?


Too ugly, perhaps? Physically, I mean. Being ugly on the inside is now a requirement in the GOP.
 
2012-07-20 04:45:56 PM  

mongbiohazard: magusdevil: You're absolutely right. If a person intentionally plows into a crowd of people with a car that was designed specifically for killing a crowd of people, you're metaphor would be dead accurate.


I don't see how it matters to the metaphor either way. They're both potentially destructive tools, which create large amounts of force - though the car certainly creates much more. In fact, the car is potentially the more destructive of the two I'd argue... but because the car is the one you're more familiar with that's the one that scares you less.

He also used tear gas to facilitate his murders too. Do you propose we outlaw tear gas as well because someone might hatch a scheme to use it - and a gas mask - to help him incapacitate people so he can stab a bunch to death? What if he'd barred the doors closed and used a simple mixture of ammonia and chlorine to kill them, should we then outlaw household cleaners? Ridiculous.

Any tool is just a TOOL. It's the human wielding it which causes calamity and human beings have proven to be able to be very creative with how we bring harm to others. But set that gun on a table, leave that car in the driveway, put that hammer on the ground.... and you can come back 1,000 years later and none of them will have killed anything at all.

This guy was very methodical with what he did, and the fact that he used tear gas in his attack pretty clearly shows that he was plenty willing to be creative with the tools he used. We should be glad that he didn't use bombs, because he certainly could have killed even more people that way. But in the end it's the killer who is responsible, and focusing on the specific tool employed is a complete exercise in futility and misdirection.

The only reason we do it is because we struggle to find something to blame, even if it makes no sense, because the alternative - facing the fact that we live in a world where one dedicated nutcase can kill some people if they really try is less satisfying then ...


I bet if an average of 31 homicides per day were committed using cars as the weapon of choice, it would, in fact, be harder to get a car than it is now.

And yes a tool is just a tool, a car is a tool for getting from point a to point b, a hammer is a tool for driving a nail into wood, and a gun is a tool for making something or someone that is alive into something or someone that is dead.

That being said, every single car in the US is licensed and registered. The same is not true for every single gun.
 
2012-07-20 04:45:57 PM  

mongbiohazard: But in the end it's the killer who is responsible,


That doesn't mean it should be trivial for the killer to acquire and use said tools.

Why don't more people blow things up? Could it possibly be because it's a bit harder to get or build a bomb than it is to get a gun and ammunition?
 
2012-07-20 04:46:10 PM  
For those ragging on msnbc:

Their tagline is "THE place for politics." They report on news like this and wildfires and Syria but their daily principal focus is politics. In addition, they've got about five minutes of details at this point and a whole hour to fill at a time. The guest profilers can only ad lib for so long before it just gets ridiculous. Turning the discussion to public policy is natural if only to discuss how powerful the NRA and how stupid Gohmert is.
 
2012-07-20 04:46:11 PM  
lh5.googleusercontent.com
 
2012-07-20 04:47:08 PM  

spcMike: I still regret the day I was 50 ft from Louis Gohmert and didn't take that opprotunity to punch him in the face.


You have really long arms.
 
2012-07-20 04:47:27 PM  

you are a puppet: Did he explain how exactly this was an attack on judeo-christian values


I believe Louis Gohmert gets paid $20 every time he says "Judeo-Christian values" in public.

/brought to you by Judeo-Christian values.
 
2012-07-20 04:47:46 PM  

mongbiohazard: I don't see how it matters to the metaphor either way. ... . Even moreso when that scapegoat is inanimate and so can't even argue on it's own behalf, so you don't have to feel bad about misdirecting your anger at it.


For what it's worth, as a bleeding heart, namby pamby liberal commie socialist (I'm from Canada), I agree with you. However, I would have far warmer feeling about the NRA and the right wing in general about "gun control" and 2nd amendment issues if instead of being focused purely on the absolute god-given right of 'mericuns to bear arms, they'd have a different rhetoric when something like this happens. Personally, I think even if you're a card carrying member of the NRA the focus should be on how can you protect the 2nd amendment but keep guns out of the hands of the mentally ill and criminals that use guns as part of their MO. That's a far more important thing to ponder than, "What if some dude had a 9mm tucked into his waistband?"
 
2012-07-20 04:47:50 PM  
Yes, because telling me that your god will allow me to get murdered if I don't do exactly what you say is going to convince me that God loves me and I should worship him.

/Douche
 
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